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the present and predict the future for the world trump's second presidency will be a terrible project for those who care and think politclub every sunday at 20:10 at espresso. so once again good health, my name is mykola veresin. now, i hope, mr. taras zagorodny, political technologist, manager, will appear. partner of the national anti-crisis group, good health, mr. taras, nice to see you, thank you for joining us. the first question that i discuss everywhere, except ukraine? well, in ukraine it is very cursory, yes, in the world it is quite energetic, well, of course, the agenda in ukraine is a little different. if we are already talking to you, as a partner of the national of the anti-crisis group, the crisis is possible due to the death of mr. navalny, such a leader. of the russian opposition, who died in

butseharnaya prison, yesterday, i think , it was just too much, i listened to russians, russian, so-called liberal people all day today, and if they were talking about something there, i i did not understand whether it is for him or for them this is an internal crisis, they are something, they can change something in their lives as a result of this death, or it will be like it was before his death and before the death of bory nimtsov. and till between the death of politkovsky and the death of litvinenko , there were many deaths, but the picture did not change. can it change now? no, of course, nothing will change, moreover, navalny's death is a new stage in the development of russian authoritarianism, which is already, well, close to stalin's, to stalin's methods of managing the country. i compared the murder of navalny is the same as

the murder of kirov, remember, somewhere in the year 34, when he was killed, then it was found out that the nkvd, after which stalin began a complete cleansing of the country from potential competitors, which are only possible. i believe that navalny's death is a sign of this, because navalny was considered by some oligarchic groups and the west, including, well... as a potential heir to putin, with whom, in theory , it would be possible to reach some agreements and improvements relations now that navalny is gone, i think that, well , i hope that it is clear in the west that the regime is moving into a completely new quality, they will tighten even stronger nuts directly in the russian federation. will be

to transition, they are already, in principle, transitioning to a regime, not an autocracy, already close to a dictatorship, of course, it will not be stalin's, that is, they are unlikely to be sent to the camps . will there be, well, many people, but modern it methods allow monitoring the entire population of russia, in principle, within 24 hours. yes, it used to be december 1, well, you said correctly, when kirov was killed, it was december 1, 1934, now it will be february 16, the beginning of the great terror, because the great terror just began on december 1, then december 37-38, and now according to... at least according to mr. taras, this means that a new terror is possible, there will be a new date of february 16. another issue, very important on, as they say, now on the sidelines of this big munich meeting, as if russia has invited to moscow, there is such information from

palestinian diplomats, has invited to moscow hamas, islamic jihad and palestinian factions, whatever it is... , what moscow wants, like us, i understand that this is speculation, we, we, we do not hold a candle there in the ministry of foreign affairs of russia, or in the kremlin, but we can think about it, what it would mean, what russia wants and what hamas wants islamic jihads, palestinian factions? well, russia wants a big war in the middle east because it needs oil under $200, and that's why it's already openly supporting all these people. and i will say, this is a continuation of the soviet tradition, it is no secret to anyone that precisely with the support of various organizations there, the liberation of palestine, and so on, the kgb was engaged in this, and they continue such

history, they try to create danger and a point of tension in the near in the east, that is, they pursue two goals: the first is this raising the prices of... oil, because in reality they suffer a lot from sanctions, no matter what they say there, they have to squeeze, especially since after the arrival of drones over their ports in the baltic sea and novorossiysk and over the refinery, there is already a question , are they able to export oil and oil products in such quantities, including domestic consumption, that is why they create such a point of instability, plus... this is where their interests in china coincide with the creation of new points of tension for the united states america, so that they have a dispersion of forces. and further, i am still inclined to the fact that after the so-called re-election of putin, they

will try to grope the baltic countries. i think that by the end of this year, we will see some kind of provocation there in the form of little green men, and estonia and latvia are weak with... a bank. look, but you understand, this is the agenda for the russians that you have drawn, i am not about the middle east, i do not want to say anything about the baltics today, and the middle east, you understand, is not for the palestinians so many supporters of the real, in words, all the arab states, in business, no one has broken relations, somewhere very far from israel , relations with israel are breaking, somewhere... latin america is breaking relations, neighbors are not breaking anything, but when they say, let's accept the palestinians , who may flee from the gas sector, everyone around is saying , no, no, we don't need the palestinians here, put them somewhere, keep them, and if russia is going to play this game that you're talking about,

i have the same impression , what about russia can be supported by the palestinians, russia can be supported by islamic jihad, hamas, hezbollah, but... russia will not be supported by egypt, russia will not be supported by jordan, russia is not supported by lebanon, well , lebanon is in such a state now that no one will ask it except hezbollah and so, how safe is this game for the russians, actually in egypt, by the way, hamas has been banned as a terrorist organization since 2015, and when you say, not allowed, basically not allowed by egypt, there two countries do not want to see these . jews in their territory, egypt, just after the muslim brothers who staged there wanted to stage a coup on the territory of egypt, and jordan does not want to see palestinians since 72, when the yasafat, when they allowed

the palestinians, well, this part of their territory, which he also almost started a civil war there and also wanted to demolish the ruling government. dynasty, so since then they do not want to see them for a long time, and in fact they use them as a battering ram, a battering ram against israel, first of all, no one there is comfortable with the state they are in... happens, that is, they put pressure on israel, put pressure on america , and so on, and in fact, you correctly pointed out that many muslim countries have already recognized israel as a state, morocco signed, bahrain signed these agreements, even saudi arabia, which had a very aggressive position in relation to israel, was close to signing. of these agreements and evil tongues say that

precisely in order to prevent the signing by saudi arabia itself, and it was arranged on the seventh, october 7, 7, that we they saw in israel, and yes, is russia afraid that something will happen to the country there, but why should she be afraid, she will not be kicked out of the un, there are resources. in order to support such terrorist activities, a nuclear state, well , it is in ukraine, what is being done, and what and who can say, therefore, unfortunately, unfortunately, there are resources and no one there will be particularly able to resist, at least for the time being, all the more so because there is a partial, partial coincidence of the interests of china and iran, iran is also interested in a big war for war in the middle east, because they also need oil... to give, and china is not interested a major war in the middle east because they

buy oil and don't want to buy it expensively, but creating a point of tension for the united states of america and its allies is perfectly fine with them. one more question, maybe even the last, but important. so, biden says, the armed forces, the armed forces of ukraine, the armed forces of ukraine, left avdiivka due to a lack of ammunition and the inaction of congress. this statement, is it a true statement, or is it a statement that was, as it were, provoked by the infighting between republicans and democrats before general election in the united states, we really don't have anything to fight for, or is this just an accusation by biden against his opponents to embarrass them, i think more of an accusation because it's domestic politics. issue, kurt volker at the munich conference, he admitted that in principle,

even in the house of representatives , 80% of the congressmen present there are ready to vote, but due to the political struggle between biden and trump, it has not yet been put to a vote, and so in principles, look, the agreement passed through the senate, and in acceptable form for ukraine, i.e. there together in one. israel, taiwan and ukraine , and this is very good, because unlike ukraine, specific papers have been signed with israel and taiwan, well, at least there are obligations that are fixed or by law, regarding taiwan, although the us does not recognize taiwan as a separate states, but they have a separate bill regarding taiwan, and an agreement was signed with israel back in 1979, and since 1988 , it... is a-a ally outside of nato, and because,

of course, this is also a political game , each one accuses one of non-constructive behavior, ah, earning accordingly, well , future points for the primaries in the elections, those that will be held in the fall of this year, and now it is definitely the last question, which means that ukraine is not yet ready to join nato. the prime minister of the netherlands said, that is, the situation, strictly speaking, has not changed in any way, at least i did not expect that ukraine would be allowed to join nato there until the end of the war, did i understand the prime minister of the netherlands correctly? ukraine will not be allowed to join nato until the borders of 1991 are obtained, we must clearly and clearly understand, there will be no other concessions, no matter how much it is said that this is theoretically possible. ukraine does not need ghosts at this stage. promises to join nato one day, we need weapons now, at

this stage we need security guarantees, which are already being signed, which the j7 countries have promised, and three security guarantees have already been signed, i'm sure all the j7 countries will still sign, there is a high probability that australia will sign, south korea will sign, scandinavian countries will sign, poland is very important to us necessary, because without poland... reconstruction will not take off, we need written commitments to help ukraine and fixed aid so that ukraine... has such leverage on russia, and this is actually what is being signed now, this is, well, in fact nato only without the fifth article, which, by the way , is not known whether it works or not, because no one has checked them yet, and the russians want to check it in the baltic countries, and without a promise to fight for ukraine, this is actually

the format of the contract that exists between the united states of america and israel. thank you very much, thank you very much, taras zagorodny, political technologist, managing partner of the national anti-crisis group , visited us, now we will talk about china, but only in that case we will talk about china professionally, if vita holod, head the board of the ukrainian association of chinese studies, appeared, so we will be professional, without it we would say amateur, i am a small specialist in the issues of chinese folklore. republic, thank you ms. vita for finding yourself and volunteering with we mean to talk, and my first question is simple enough and difficult enough, we know that mr. minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, mr. kuleba spoke with mr. wang yi, who was the minister of foreign affairs of china,

then he became a member of the polidburo, is he now the minister of foreign affairs, but he is the chief diplomat, that's who. and here is the question, china will not watch the situation in ukraine idly, wang told her. ah, and this, and, and closing your eyes, and turning away, or how to translate it, because on the one hand it is diplomatic language, and on the other, it is also chinese diplomatic, that is , it is impossible for a normal person to understand, translate it into some... such a language that we will understand what it means, it will not be, we will observe, folded for ukraine, with folded hands. translation. mykola, good afternoon, glad to see you. this is really such a complicated chinese diplomacy, and we watched not only the meeting between mr. kuliba and the minister of foreign affairs of china one. and

also after his speech and then the interview, he had such a long speech, he answered questions. and also spoke about ukraine, what this meeting between the heads of our ministries of foreign affairs of ukraine and china, this meeting is important because , unfortunately, there have been very few such meetings in the last two years, a limited number, and they met, shook hands and once again said that we want to talk, to have this dialogue, mr. kuleba had the opportunity to invite the chinese side to the peace summit. what will happen in switzerland, the time is not yet known, but we are gathering important figures of the country who should sit at this negotiating table. china, let's compare ukraine and the middle east, then there, china clearly states the steps: stop shooting, open humanitarian negotiations and hold a peace summit as soon as possible, about

ukraine, until we hear such statements, and you... china's truth, the parties are not ready to talk, but we promote peace. for now, this is the information. yes, i, i will agree, but this is what , you know, intelligent people say, that the fog of war , yes, there is also the fog of diplomacy, because you painted such a more or less moderate, positive picture, but if we look at the representative of the same same as the people's republic of china, in the united organization nations, he called for union. states to stop the supply of weapons to ukraine to end the war, well, how, if i were to translate it into such a commonly understood language, i would say that china is calling on the whole world to defeat ukraine, because if america and europe do not supply weapons for a long enough period time, then ukraine will quite likely be able

to lose the war, and then, well, if there is no ukraine, it will be, that means. the russian federation to the borders with hungary, slovakia and so on. that is, it is, and it is. and here there are also mentioned for some reason the same, his name is zhang jun now. he, this permanent representative, he called for the implementation of the minsk agreements. well, somehow, it seems to me, this boat has already gone on a long voyage. and here , then, it turns out, that is... i still can't understand what china wants, but china thinks about itself, it has its own diplomacy, and this diplomacy is aimed at supporting... . his national security, if we analyze xi jinping's speeches, he mostly talks about national security, and not about economic development, as was the case before,

that is, this escalation is american-chinese , they affect ukraine, negatively, i would say, because at the moment this conflict, which we are suffering in, they are looking at only because of their american-chinese escalation, and currently what is happening... for example, in america, china is the only thing that unites the two political forces, and hearing the speeches at the primaries of both republicans and democrats, china unites this rhetoric, that is, anti-chinese sentiments. china is watching this very closely and so far this year we are seeing that they will a balance diplomatically, and we have to maintain this dialogue with china, if possible to develop dialogues at the level of... think tanks at the academic level in order to strengthen the understanding of the situation. what else can be our trump card? it is the fact that china seeks

to work with europe, and the fact that on december 14 , a window opened for ukraine for further negotiations on joining the eu, this gives us grounds to build, build such platforms for trilateral negotiations: the eu , china, after the elections such platforms can be created in america, the usa, ukraine, china, in order to strengthen our advocacy capacity, yes, from the eu and the us side, and to improve that understanding. at present , china does not want, or shall we say, avoids sensitive moments. he voiced his decisions, yes, he says that it is a decision, a resolution of the conflict to sit down at the negotiating table, regarding. that there is no need to supply weapons, he also says to israel, stop shooting. that is, this is chinese diplomacy. they say, we do not intervene in any conflict in the world, we are for

peace, and we are ready to be a mediator. and wang-yi listed the number of conflicts on earth, including the red sea, this is as a result, yes, the escalation in the middle east, where the situation is such that there are already many obstacles for chinese goods, for logistics. and here china wants to play a constructive role, look, it's an important issue, we just have time to discuss it, you said it yourself, it's quite interesting that before the leadership of the chinese communist party talked more about, talked about the economy, now they talk more about international relations, does this mean that the economy is really like this terrible? as many people write about it, analyzing what is happening inside the country, that there will be no such growth of the gross, gross domestic product,

the hope for internal reserves has not come true , that is, for the chinese themselves to become rich, then chinese production will not be for europe, for the united states, and for themselves, for their fellow citizens, the citizens have not become richer in the last 10 years, just like that. and it turns out that it really always happens in any such regimes that if it fails here, we will then direct more of society's attention he went there, and now we have taiwan, and the middle east, and ukraine, and russia, and the united states, and the un and so on, and don't ask us about economic growth, i understood correctly, they are talking about their economic problems, they are not ashamed of them, they want to solve them and... and that's why they need both europe and the usa, and they hold business level meetings, put a lot of effort into preserving these capitals. the problem at the moment is that

china is actually run by one person, he has all the control in his hands, this is such, let's say, a strict vertical of power, and this is the concern of business, which is worried about... these changes, these are large corporations, european and american, they want to stay in china, but at the moment it is also sanction pressure and strengthening, let's say, such espionage laws that, let's say, there are many questions about how to continue working in china, or profits , they are more important than risk, that is , there is such a reassessment of business processes of these processes, they are preparing to withdraw their capital, but still still... who continue to talk, and it seems to me that there is something wrong with it 2018, china will first follow the american elections, this is the first key such

moment in the focus of china, will win, the second key moment, they will talk to america, this is their priority, and after the meeting between biden and seidenpin in san francisco, we can already see warming of relations, and this concerns and solved the problem actually with fontanil, then the dialogue of the military, they have already met two or three times, and this is a positive trend, 23 countries have the opportunity to... visit china without visas, for americans the procedure for obtaining visas is simplified very strong, for $20 you can get a visa in three days with a minimum number of documents, that is, they are taking the necessary steps, and in fact it is responsible for the two superpowers to talk, so it should also be some kind of positive signal for us, but so far in in the 24th year, my prediction

is that china will observe global pro... it will balance, and therefore, as i said, ukraine must also be cautious about these processes, and the only thing we have to watch very closely is sanctions, sanctions have to be for the punishment of such immoral business and not only the chinese one, there will be a war with taiwan or not before the 30th year, in your opinion , please tell me, before the 30th year, why the 30th? well, i can say the 29th, you will ask why the 29th, it won't happen in the near future, and what we see, this kind of balancing right now in taiwan, this is a democratic president and a speaker of the parliament loyal to china, it says that that they will also balance and maintain the status quo. thank you very much, vita holot, the head of the board of the ukrainian association of china studies, said us about china. we are now approaching... we are going with you

on such a quasi-break, in fact it is not a break, we will have a plot, because today is february 18, that is, 10 years since the beginning of the most tragic events on the maidan in modern ukraine, we know what happened then , the height of the revolution of dignity, a peaceful protest by activists turned into a clash between maidan activists and security forces, 10 years after the shootings of maidan participants, four people were convicted of murder. and two people are in custody: relatives of the victims do not lose hope of finding those responsible for the murder of their relatives, such is mykola zherebny, the father of the hero of the heavenly hundred volodymyr zherebny. now the only goal of his life is to punish the murderer of his son. the story of the hero of the heavenly hundred and his father's struggle for justice. next, you will watch such a plot for 13 minutes, then there will be an advertisement

for three. minutes, and then we will meet you again on espresso tv. mykola zharevny, former law enforcement officer and father of volodymyr zherebny, hero of the heavenly hundred. his son died on february 20, 2014 in kyiv during the revolution of dignity. the man is 10 years old fights for the just punishment of his son's killers. a person who took part in the shootings on the maidan, today decides the fate of those who, who should have been responsible for that, who were then under his leadership, well, how can there be a fair verdict?