the plot is for 13 minutes, then there will be advertising for 3 minutes, and then we will meet you again on espresso tv. mykola zharebny: in the past, a law enforcement officer and the father of the hero of the heavenly hundred, volodymyr zharebny. his son died on february 20, 2014 in kyiv during the revolution of dignity. a man has been fighting for a fair punishment for murders for 10 years. of his son, the person who took part in the shootings on the maidan, today decides the fate of those who, who should have been responsible for that, who were then under his control, well, how can it be, which fair

a place that is sacred for me due to the fact that there is a photo of my child here, who died on february 20, 2014 on the maidan in the city of kyiv, when the events on the maidan began with the beating of students, it caused him a lot. .. great dissatisfaction and agitation, how come the police were beating children at that time, and he packed a backpack and went to kyiv, i told him, volodya, don't go, well, maybe we don't know yet, what is there, how, why, and his first words to me were, dad, they beat children there.

told me that he was going first as if in intelligence, he knows how there is, that and this one, and that intelligence of his ended in months, because he was not a random person on the maidan, he stayed there consciously, he, seeing what the situation was there, he rang the bell at home and said, dad i have to stay here. this is a photo of what clothes he was wearing, well, during the maidan, it was cold then, it was up to 20 degrees below zero, there are even some, well, those from the maidan, his things, and there are passes that were given to them there, that photo is very dear to me, in this photo he is... pure

in the clothes in which he died, when i was told that, to this day i repeat somewhere that the ears heard, and the mind and heart to this day cannot understand why, because he was actually a child, he did not go to the maidan to make hooligans, not something there... to pretend that he went, he had a higher education, he was generally a cultured, educated child, and for me personally it was a shock, in fact, how could it happen that a person who had no bad intentions, she could get under the bullets, when a criminal case had already been opened and

the relatives of the deceased went to the general prosecutor's office in kyiv to get acquainted with the case materials, and i found out that there were a lot of such various inaccuracies, the forensic medical expert described his wound, and the wound in his neck was in the carotid artery, a bullet went on the flight and... er , the entrance hole was indicated as a large wound, and the exit hole as a small wound, which does not exist in nature, guys, help is needed, guys. and since then, i

've been trying for 10 years, well, it's been 10 years, i've been trying to prove my point. i disagreed with that description to employees of the general prosecutor's office of ukraine. for a very long time i tried to re-examine the scene. finally, i don't remember in which year, at the court, during the court session, i proved that they were incorrectly described. the wound was very important to me, why, because , judging by the fact that the exit hole was very small, and the entrance hole was large, the position of his body, which was immediately recorded by the operators at the time, well, at the very

moment of the bullet impact, was not no, but he was standing on his knee and being in bashlat. in a metal helmet, then it could not turn, and it actually depended on the entrance and exit holes, from which side they were fired. for six years i sought a re-examination of the scene . in 2019, a repeated investigative experiment was conducted and it turned out that it was still the case. they did not shoot from the hotel ukraine, but from the upper barricade, where the employees of the berkut special forces were sitting, the court listened to all this, and later, the investigator of the prosecutor general's office mozyk, well, he should have

sent the materials of the repeated investigative experiment to the court, and when was the final verdict of the court , one their commander, i don't remember the last names now , two were sentenced to 15 years in absentia for life, and those who returned, the court acquitted one altogether, and the other was sentenced to 5 years, but since he had already served them in prison, he was released from the court the court was released, here is the verdict on paper, the verdict of the court in the maidan cases, which was considered in the svyatoshchyna district court of the city of kyiv, for nine years, and actually here i did not read, did not re-read all the materials of the case, but i re-read the episode, which was directly related to my child, and actually here i am

found that the court had taken into account all the testimony. the berkuts, their lawyers , who were at the court hearing at that time , were accused, and what i proved over the course of seven years was recognized by the court as far -fetched. to protect the child at least, at least morally, you understand, because... if you don’t deal with it, in time it will turn out that they were extremists and this one too, please see, well, it’s painful to watch, of course i do n’t care father, oh that called the entrance hole,

the big one is called the exit hole, you see, it's not even visible. about the protocol of the investigative experiment from june 4, 2019 , where what i said was videotaped, with the involvement of a forensic medical expert, a ballistics expert, with witnesses, with lawyers, and with the use of a laser sight. story teller and where it was proven that all the signatures are here, and where it was officially proven that after all, they shot from the upper barricade, where berkut employees were at that time, and after i received the verdict of the court

meeting, i discovered that there were no materials from the court's verdict, i then wrote a complaint to the prosecutor general of nadia. the senior investigator of music, why are there no materials of the re-investigative experiment in the materials of the trial, and i received a reply from the prosecutor general's office that it turns out that the senior investigator of music submitted those materials to the court, but the court, having consulted on the spot, did not even... leaving the conference room, i did not accept those materials for

the trial, i filed an appeal, filed on appeal, now the session of the appeals court has been canceled twice, again, the first time the judge recused herself, the second time the people gathered, they announced that the court was undermined, how will it end? i don't know, but in my opinion , you know, you say what you want, victims, and we will do what we think is necessary, or what we are predestined to do, it can't be like that, i wonder , for which people died on the maidan or for such a country.

and this sentence is absolutely not, i personally and not only me, but we are the victims, many of us, we consider it unfair, unjust, i consciously understand that, but time drags on, you understand, and that once more witnesses are lost, that once more is lost, because people, many parents died. many direct witnesses of those events died at the front, protecting the country from an external enemy, and i cannot call those people who make these decisions anything other than internal enemies. of course i would like a fair trial, fair evidence. so that my soul rests, you understand a little what i am, what i could, i am at such an age that i can no longer

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good health, ladies and gentlemen, my name is mykola veresen, you and i will be together until 8 p.m., but not together with you directly, in three, because anton grushetskyi, executive director of the kyiv international institute of sociology, now, i hope , will join us, and we will ask him what the ukrainian people are. think about ukraine and ukrainian leaders, good health, mr. anton, thank you for being our found time on sunday evening, well, look , here we received, received various ratings, well, in the first places we have the hard-working budanov and zelensky, according to your polls, what do you say about the ratings of this

trust, what trends do these latest polls indicate? what would you say about all these three people: zaluzhnyi, budanov and zelenskyi, and we would also be interested in mr. syrskyi, if you sketched, described, outlined his rating and so on and so forth. so, it's up to you, mr. anton, which ones trends, this is an important point, the word trend here is not secondary, but primary. right and the survey was conducted to understand trends in public sentiment, it was conducted on february 5-10, that is, it actually covered the period around and after the resignation of valery zaluzhny, and we compare it with the results we had in december, that is , we can say how the mood has changed in the last two months. in fact, there is absolute trust in valery zaluzhnyi,

more than 90% trust him both in december and now of ukrainians, that is, even the company for discrediting valery daluzhny, which... according to some public figures, actually had no influence, at the same time, this situation still affected trust in the president, the president was still trusted by 77% in december, now 64% trust him, i.e. we see a decrease, and if you look at the answers of people that we received immediately after the resignation, the level of trust was 60%, that is, it is good that the legitimacy of the president is still preserved, and this is the manageability of the institution, but on the other hand, the dynamics were not cheap, and that us... there is such a serious political decision that is now affecting the support of the president. confidence in kirill budanov is growing, 60% trusted him, now 66%, this is such a noticeable improvement. trust has decreased, by the way, they named serhiy prytula, he is also in the top in terms of trust among actors, he is now trusted by a little more than 60%, that is, also a fairly high figure. in the case of

oleksandr silsky, the situation is quite specific. and some media actually got it a bit wrong by comparing 90%. confidence in zaluzhny and 40% confidence in oleksandr syrskyi, but at the same time, 35% of respondents did not know oleksandr syrskyi. if you count the trust among those who know oleksandr syrskyi, more than 60% trust him, and his trust rating has not changed compared to december, when he was also trusted by more than 60%, among those who know him, so this story has not affected him , now the majority of ukrainians trust him, that is, it is a certain credit of trust, which ukrainians still count on. although they are not satisfied with the resignation, they hope that the new commander will still be successful in his position. mr. anton, i have something for you tricky question, but who needs it, because when i start the analysis... i understand that in two weeks everything can change, moreover, now that everyone screamed, not everyone, many screamed, forgive me for saying so , that they insulted

zaluzhny, now i think the opposite, i think so , that zaluzhny was removed from the attack after the situation around avdiivka, now everyone will say that it is syrsky's fault that zaluzhny was stationed in avdiivka, and zasyrsky left, and thus the white and fluffy zaluz again . the assyrians are under attack again, that is, everything can change, especially during the war for a week, two or three, and if it was like this before, then in two weeks it will be like this, and in three it will be even different. then the question arises, why your job? this is a very fair question in fact, and public opinion can really change a lot, and in the same press release we gave you a vivid example: in mid-february 2022, volodymyr zelensky was trusted by about 40% of citizens there, even less. several weeks pass and his trust becomes below 90%, an invasion took place, the population looked at the behavior president and decided that he is behaving in accordance with wartime and on the wave

of unity they began to say that we all trust him, you are right, the situation can change, but there are trends, if they do not change, they will pose a threat to ukraine, that is, we are now we see a decrease in the confidence of the president , if the situation does not improve in the coming months, in may many people will start... questions, for example, about the illegitimacy of the president against the background of possibly lower confidence indicators, so tracking these sentiments is important, because this is a matter of information security of the state, and at the same time it is a hint to our government, and by the way, to the opposition, and to civil society that it is necessary to somehow more constructively communicate with each other, it is also a certain hint to people that, of course, it is possible to be dissatisfied with resignation , but in the name of the commander-in-chief , the name of our enemy, russia and the russians, does not change, and we should all wish him ... success, so that everything really happens, but the way you voiced a theory that is, you know, partly conspiratorial about the withdrawal from hit, this you know how political scientists can always explain any move, but only

after the fact, i agree, speculation on my part, one hundred percent on my part, but i am absolutely convinced that someone must think so, must and must think, at least those , who did not judge the hard worker, now they will say, you see, he was hidden from criticism, he... was pushed from the authorities, now criticism is not pouring on him, but criticism is pouring on him, well, in short, you can do anything, of course, but you understand what's going on here subtlety for me, i'd get you on this one conversations, in the sense that a politician, a real statesman even more than a politician, must very often neglect the general social opinion, and do for... the future , so that in 5, 10, 15 years, people they said it was a great move, although no one

liked it that day on february 16, 18, or 20, 2024, and then they somehow started to like it, and this, well, i always remember the death penalty, if you ask ukrainians now , if you conducted a survey, then for sure more than half would say that the death penalty should be reinstated, well against the background of war. and i hope that president zelensky will not submit such a bill, because just give it the opportunity, and it will happen, there will be big problems, okay, let's move on, and that is, then the question arises for you, whether, looking at your poll, it is necessary to somehow change the policy , well, for example, how to vulgarize to completely say, well, we made a mistake, the syrian goes back to his post, and the servile one... we return, because here we see the numbers, you know, you speak very correctly, that's why as a sociologist, for example, i never say that the voxpopili formula, vok

where the voice of the people, the voice of god, is always right, in fact public opinion can be completely wrong, and those we hold up as idols may not actually live up to our expectations, or the decisions we want to support may actually be populist, destructive , for example, the economy or other social fabric in society, and therefore there is really a role for statesmen who... despite their rating, despite their trust, are ready to sacrifice them in order to do good for society, which society will feel after many years long-term, but disregarding public opinion is also not an option because it can lead to other consequences. as an example, now, if the delegitimization of the president takes place, we will once again feel this pressure from our western partners, from internal entities that we should, for example, hold elections now, because before we only had zelensky, it is also theoretically many would like to ba... valery zaluzhny, and in such a way as to, say, harm the president by making him also a candidate for the elections, and this can also shake the issue of holding elections, which will shake up the situation in

ukraine, and all this must be thought about... and it is necessary to communicate with society, if there is such a request in society, one must understand how to talk to people, how to explain to them why certain decisions were made , but you are right, we are not experts, you, by the way, neither am i, we are not experts in military matters, and we can only hope that from such a replacement, after a few years, looking back, we will say how right the president was, because we refreshed the situation and we brought certain changes, which further gave us the result we would like to see, this, the shaking of society, you think, this is really a danger, i have the impression that just, i think, we once talked about this with you, that this story, it concerns a very narrow circle of people who create mass, and then another already large group of people says: is there really something, something is wrong in our house, something is wrong there?

something needs to be done, because you know, if you wrote at the end of your surveys, for some reason it seems to me that this is not a tip, this thinking aloud, what is the trust rating of the polish duda, of the american biden, of the french macron, just don't be all dynpina, there something may break in this logic of mine, something seems to me, everyone there is less than 50, and not even more than 60 , like zelensky's, well... actually, well, first of all, we are open to dialogue, if you have such ideas, then in our next polls we can also ask such questions and test them, but international leaders are still in ukraine often the treatment is higher, better than in their countries, for example, boris johnson is treated much better in ukraine than he is in great britain, and now you are actually right in general logic that this is a certain downward movement, when there is a certain narrow circle of people who start intensively launching ideas that further penetrate into the masses, but consider that

now... society is electrified and psychologically very tired and very susceptible to simplistic solutions, the president is not like that, the commander is not like that, there is someone else who is not like that, and all this can be solved somehow very simply, replacing one person with another, or by replacing the parliament there, disbanding this one and recruiting 400 new crystal-clear deputies. it seems to many people that such solutions will be quite simple and effective, and this also risks creating chaos within the country, because the situation is not so optimistic anyway. as much as people would like to see, and people try to hold on, but these discussions, i still see these echoes on twitter, which i recommend in telegram, facebook, if you read the comments, how people still emotionally, aggressively discuss the latest events, look, maybe this is the last question, no, you don’t have anywhere among your colleagues such a counter-intelligence sociologist to measure how many such natural statements are hidden... different

circles and different people, and what gorbachev taught us, ideas thrown in, because obviously , moscow would applaud if total changes began now, let's disperse the parliament, let's not admit what you said to the president, or that his days have ended and so on, i can already hear the applause in the kremlin just like that and the champagne only hurts , bottles are opened. then to what extent can we say that this is a natural process, or is such a process imposed from the outside? you know, of course we don't have such counter-intelligence agents, but we would like to, of course, but my observations are that now we are talking about 50 to 50, because you are right, we ourselves ring the bell and with these polls we call not only the authorities should look at the polls, but also, for example, public activists and journalists, including, in order to more constructively discuss certain issues, not

to throw them destructively. with emotional slogans, there is the president throw away, return the deserving one, there is something else there, give money to everyone in a row, that is , this is wrong, this is not a statist approach that does not take into account the complexity of society and the complexity of the current situation, but we see that this is partly played by russian propaganda, but it, to things, now it does not act directly with its blunt messages to ukraine, but often mediated through the western media, when the washington post, cnn, new york times publish a certain article, which later turns out to be true. appears to be of russian authorship, but it is not less, which begins to sow certain such messages that are supposed to destroy internal unity, this is picked up by ukrainian journalists and activists, who spread it on quotes and refer to the authority of the west. in addition, we have of course a large internal position that does not like both the president and the office of the president, and they use co...