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of the fighters left, they have already occupied new lines of defense, some actions are still ongoing, but this is no longer relevant evacuation, rather it concerns special actions, let's call it that, that's why we currently have new lines of defense, they are in general, we prepared them for tasks, that is, today is a relatively quiet day, but... the enemy continues assault actions, not like that, already not having such an opportunity as he had in avdiiv people if we talk now about the current assault actions of the enemy. you said that their intensity has decreased somewhat, but as far as i understand, the enemy is now trying to advance in the direction of lastochkino. please describe everything you can. well, you have to understand that there are many areas of responsibility, not only my brigade. accordingly, as far as my brigade is concerned, yes, well, he is trying to advance, no... and he,

let's say, is trying to feel new relational positions for us, where there are weak points, so there is a message and zavlastychkina and not only, that is, i think that this is a question of such an attempt to understand how new our defense is, how strong it is, and to act accordingly, but i hope that the damage that was done to the enemy, especially... . because in this plan it is the military, the infantry, ah, i think that it will not give him the opportunity to have such opportunities for an assault, especially since it is one thing to storm into such a balcony, let's say, the one we had when you you can work from the flanks, and in some positions he could work from 360°, to have almost firepower, now this is a classic line of defense, with adequately working rears in... not in emergency mode, in standard

mode, in normal, working mode, and accordingly, in this case, we have significantly superior capabilities in defense. mr. oleksandr, we would like to clarify with you about the occasion. to the use of cabs, we know that during the attempt and offensive on avdiivka, the enemy released very intensively, in fact almost a record number of cabs, is he now releasing them somehow less, or has this intensity not decreased, yes, the intensity has decreased, again after all, i speak for my brigade in the first place, but i think that this is the situation in general, it is necessary to understand that the use of cabs is a rather complex measure, a complex measure, because in addition to the launch itself, there are also necessary preparatory actions, it is also reconnaissance work and so on , and understanding the situation when we were in this balcony, roughly speaking, when the enemy was on the flanks, it was much easier for him to work, as well as in air defense, by the way, and well, it is meant from the point of view of their security

for of using airplanes, now in such a more classical system of defense, classical is meant when the line of defense, or roughly speaking, is straight, well, or almost straight, the use of cabs, it is clear that it will be, most likely from the side of the enemy, because it bets on them rate, but it will not have the same efficiency as in avdiivka. mr. oleksandr, if we talk about the potential plans of the enemy, yes, well, how do they feel, we understand that for the plans, well, resources of the same manpower are needed in avdiivka, the enemy has placed a record number of his interveners, yes, and accordingly they wanted would separate you say, what can be said about the losses of the enemy and about his reserves? look, in general, we can say that if we speak for avdiivka, then two brigades were brought to a state of non-combat readiness, that is, these are approximate

numbers of 1,200 and 100 and 35003, but at that time in avdiivka, unfortunately, there was such a... number of reserves , and they just did , well, a battalion comes in, then another, then another, it wears out completely, others, others, others, others, just in line, you know, such a line of battalions, and what even such losses, they did not change the pressure, however, if we say this not in the context of avdiivka, in the context of this direction in general, it gives, it gave us the opportunity to do such a thing. in order to make such an impact that they had to regroup, that is, the amount of all forces and means that was calculated in order to enter avdiivka, it was clearly not enough, so they regrouped, accordingly, i hope that this will make it

possible to reduce them offensive potential, such losses, such, the same as losses in armored vehicles and the same as about losses in the forces and supplies of the infantry there and... mr. oleksandr, and we know that during your actual stay of your unit of your assault brigade in avdiivka, a lot of ukrainians actually consolidated and helped you, and i would like you to contact our viewers with requests so that you need, how can we be useful right now in order to help the third assault brigade as much as possible to carry out combat missions in this direction, let's say, two points are important here, firstly, we are all ... very grateful people for such consolidation, and secondly, well, join the official meetings, and thirdly, i would like people in general to understand that war is, in some way,

an exhausting process that is stretched over time, and so that there is no need for such serious operations, such... work with executions, and from our side, nevertheless, for people to consolidate, it is better when people devote their attention and strength and capabilities to the struggle every day, every day, okay, little by little, but every day, and it's very important that people remember that, i hope that people will be remembered not only when there are such situations, but also every day of this war, but of course we are very grateful, it helped a lot. especially there and for repairs and for the guys, we had requests for other things as well, because the guys are now all the necessary things and they are very expensive, as well as the repair of equipment, because unfortunately we do not have the opportunity to buy all the equipment and we

we repair a lot many times, five, six, seven times, that is, armored vehicles and more, and more than 10 times per unit, so it is also very important to us. thank you, mr. oleksandr, oleksandr borodin, the press officer of the third assault brigade of the armed forces of ukraine in the avdiyiv direction, is now located, and thank you guys, well, the only thing i want to say is just thank you and eternal memory. happy to all who, unfortunately, gave their lives when they held back the huge russian horde when it entered avdiivka. but now we will take a short break and after it we will return to our ether, we will talk about many equally important issues that concern our ability to stand up to the enemy, it's a question of mobilization, in particular, so a few minutes and we'll be back. damn stairs, my legs can't

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tv viewers, we would like to invite you to watch an extremely interesting story about the already legendary ukrainian river tisza, in which many ukrainians drowned, yes, who rather tried to avoid mobilization. let's look at the plot and after let's think a little about the situation with our next guest. transcarpathia attracts ukrainians not only with tourist locations, but also with the border across the tisza river. in november 2023 , border guards detained two men of conscription age with a long-term license. and children's armbands. the violators were just about to cross the river when they were seen by military officer yuriy. he noticed the movement of two people towards the state border. therefore, he decided to disguise himself, to wait until the persons came closer. and when individuals began to overcome the barrier the fence, together with the youth of the border

, they detained these persons. another extremes wanted to reach romania on inflatable donuts. what is that yew river, no , i don't see it, no, i don't see it, you know how many lives it has already taken, we didn't know before that, the border guards of the hrushevo branch say that they are literally being attacked by men who are trying to escape from ukraine to romania from the other bank of the tisza, here about 40 meters, trespassers are not stopped by either the depth of the river or its rapid current, it has at its bottom more such... and large, large stones with sharp elements, and falling into the water in such conditions, especially if it is a dark time of day, a person does not have many chances to stay alive there. border guards use drones for effective observation from a bird's eye view. at night

, a thermal imaging camera helps to detect trespassers. as soon as we observe a person who looks like a trespasser, we immediately. we report on the tsus line, then a howling group is called, leaves and detains it. border patrols also rescue fugitives, who have already drowned in the river and need help. over the past two months , six people have been pulled out of the icy water. directly, if the violator is already in the water, but the water level allows it to go up to his waist, then the composition of the outfit can get the given person, if there is no such possibility, the emergency department is called. we are already watching this person, after which the state emergency service helps, after detaining the men they take them to the department of inspectors of the state border service. there are various excuses for detention, some say it's simple i got lost, but it is very difficult to get lost here near the tisza river, well, most of them have their own good reasons, which are guided by them at those moments

, someone has a family there, someone needs to earn money, someone is running away from the war, the law does not provide for it. criminal responsibility for trying to escape from ukraine, however, prison threatens the organizers of illegal crossings. and for us, it is more important not only to prevent illegal crossing of the border, but to go after the organizer of such illegal crossings, because then we are killing an entire network. by in 2023, our operatives eliminated 56 such channels. and this work continues. since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, 25 cases have been recorded in transcarpathia. the deaths of conscripted men who tried to illegally cross the border. 19 of them drowned while crossing the tisza. another six died blowing the snow-covered highlands. kateryna uliynyk, oleg palyamar, espresso tv channel. well, thanks to

kateryna olynyk, thanks to colleagues in general for the fact that we finally saw... what this, unfortunately, legendary looks like already a yew, yes, well, indeed , a wide river in winter can cross it without knowing how to swim, it can be done only, so to speak, by people with certain not too, how to put it so delicately, on intentions, yes, well, but, but , but here it is probably necessary to work out certain legislation so that people do not break through, so to speak, and do not violate ukrainian state law. the border, it 's not for nothing, they decided to plunge into the river, here is the question of the state border, well, here it is, it can be redirected to our legislators. yes, well, it is also important here to note that kateryna oliynyk, our correspondent, noted in her story that punishment is not provided for those who cross, yes, punishment is provided only for those who organize, and it is really possible if there is a punishment for those who swim across

this yew, and some people will have less motivation to try to cross the border in this way, if they understand that... it will be some kind of, maybe even criminal responsibility. we will now include in our conversation andrii shabelnikov, managing partner, jsc evri kalov, chairman of the nau committee on investment activities and privatization. mr. andriy, we congratulate you. congratulations. well, we will not talk about the tisza river, yes, we have just seen the plot, but we would like to ask you about the specifics of the current reservation and the new, new procedures regarding it. categories of employees, so we understand that there is no final point, but, but, from your point of view, as a lawyer and at the same time a person who is informed, what is being done with ours. business, we would like to ask you to put some emphasis now, and we are talking to you specifically about economy booking, so i want to

to emphasize, it is a very interesting initiative, business likes it very much, and i, as a representative who protects business and investments, have long been talking about the fact that five or six people work for one... military in order to be able to it was to provide him , to clothe him, so that he would fight well , it is desirable to have 80,000 hryvnias, so the initiative is very simple: several variations of it, or the business pays a white salary, for example, in the amount of 3,000 hryvnias per month, what will this mean, that will mean... what a minimum of uah 15,000 will go in the form of understandable taxes, neither as a bribe to someone, nor

to someone there for a new dacha, nor to someone else for anything else, it will go directly to the budget, and through understandable levers it can all be accounted for, through the tax inspectorate, it will be seen , how it arrived and thus ensure the reservation of this very thing. representative, or there is still an initiative - this is a fixed payment, a fixed payment is now what is being talked about, again, if the initiator of this action, it is uah 2,000 every month, every month, in what format, is it in the possible payment format is determined by the employer himself, by the businessman himself, or it can even be a fop, and you pay this... fixed payment to the budget every month, we are not talking about any corrupt components, these are actually direct revenues to the budget that will be able provide the army from the negatives

of this issue is that everyone says that the rich will pay off, the poor will be fought, but this is nonsense, it also has no basis because the economy has to work anyway, and we have to do it. exclusively with our own funds, we cannot calculate everything it's time for our international partners to help us, that's why the initiative is very good, there are many variations of how it can be done, there may be other options, it may be an increase in the military levy, it may be a separate right to undertake, not all of them will an entrepreneur to book, it is also expensive, it is also an additional investment for the business. but the business will understand that it finances the army, that it provides jobs, that the budget has

monthly revenues, and these monthly revenues can cover the actual financing of the international, and give free funds army, give free funds in order to provide the army? but i would like to clarify with you about the corruption component of this. everything, well, we understand that , relatively speaking, someone who has the financial opportunity to get a false job, the employer will pay these funds for him, well, this is a kind of, you know, a kind of mechanism that needs to be very carefully refined, how to avoid abuses on this, when it will not be some false, conventionally speaking, people who will simply arrange for themselves somewhere on paper that they work at one or another enterprise, in fact, they finance this whole scheme from their own pockets, as they say, and someone makes good money from it, as they say, so we understand that the army must be provided for, on the other hand, we need to come up with a mechanism

to reduce these corruption risks, do you have any thoughts on this matter, look, this opinion has already appeared, there are safeguards for this, why, because the tax department monitors these issues very well. the tax office sees very well that there was one employee at the enterprise, here or there it was just founded, and it has 100 employees right away, the tax office can track these things very well and actually block the activities of this enterprise, so it won’t happen, again what the business sees, people who wanted to escape, people who didn’t want to help their country win, they are already there on sofas somewhere in other countries, and they are there on some security, and they are there advising and telling us what and how to do,

people. who remained, people who work to win, but not everyone can hold a gun in hands, the state can provide this opportunity to these people, a very good initiative, and about this corruption component that you say, and other risks, of course, they must be written off, from the tax point of view, it is very easy to do, but under any circumstances in any situation, the budget of direct income is received, it does not go no. to whom in the form of cash or a bribe, it goes directly to the budget, so it is very easy to track and block these enterprises that will be engaged in this service, then in fact no will people be able to manipulate like that, and for those who worked decades before, or have already worked in the market for several years, this is an opportunity, the manager himself will determine it, for him, too, he will not be able to ensure

everyone's reservation. employees, he will determine priority directions, priority employees, and book them in this way , because we do not forget that now we have 700 hryvnias there, roughly speaking, with pennies , the salary will be 30, that is, it is in multiples, no in two, not three, this is more times the budget receipts, that is, in this way we will bring the business out of the shadows , we must also talk about it, we still have a shadow... business is very grateful, but when it hits the wall, even after the victory , the legislation will change, the entrepreneur will not want to go back, because he will have don't worry, he doesn't get a check there, he understands that he is paying white money, he understands that he is financing the army, and he participated in the victory, he understands that mr. andriy, look, we literally have a couple of minutes left, maybe already made a certain calculation, how many are alive funds there, i don't know, hundreds of millions or

billions such an initiative... could bring to the state budget? well, it’s very simple, we count from uah 30,000, if it’s one person, it’s uah 15, of direct budget receipts, we cut it in half, because it’s a large component of the tax burden, or it’s uah 2,000 direct, these are the two amounts that currently appear, or 2,000 hryvnias of direct receipts, so we multiply this figure by the amount, and it can be millions, cards of direct receipts to the budget, and the ministry of defense, which says that there were some feedback from them? so far, nothing has happened, i think that the ministry of defense in this direction, on the contrary, will rather not speak now, because we have to form it into a draft law, these amendments, or add these amendments, because they are not currently in writing in the verkhovna rada, there are no ministers in the cabinet, this... is actually

an initiative of people's deputies, this is actually a business initiative, this is actually an initiative of lobbyists for budget revenues, filling the budget. thank you, but will there be, as they say, a common denominator found from the ministry of defense, this is also a big question. andriy shabelnikov, managing partner of eurika lov jsc, chairman of the nao committee on investment activities and privatization, was a terreso, well, they actually talked. about the possibility of economic reservation of employees, but once again we emphasize that currently neither the parliament nor the cabinet of ministers has any final approved procedure, whether it will happen at all, and if it will, in what way it will be implemented, but we know that there is a business initiative in this the direction, whether it will be heard, it is already said, how is that another question, we will pass the floor to anna eva melnyk, who with the news editor

managed to prepare... fresh and relevant information for you. annoyeva, we congratulate you, we are glad to see you, and we pass on the word, tell us what this issue will be about. good afternoon, colleagues, armenia is not an ally of russia in the war, as the kremlin has already reacted to prime minister pashinyan's statement. how and to whom can you write a letter as part of the action letters to a free crimea. well, i will start this issue with trips of the president to the kupinsky direction. be with us. in hot spots, president zelenskyi visited our advanced positions.