mortar systems , which are not completely understood, and 12 anti-aircraft guns, and that makes 62 pieces of equipment, well, that’s also not bad, plus half a million shells, that’s also not bad, that is , you see, europe wanted us or not, they were looking for a million promised shells, more well they searched for a long time, found such 524 thousand and continued, and when it became scary , they immediately found 1300 shells and it is very nice that... exactly, well, not exactly what denmark did, but what denmark just did, well, the kingdom is still a tradition, took such a step as to transfer everything necessary for, i.e. everything they had, gave all the artillery to us, because i understand that we need it more now, and two words about the united states, we understand that the people who are even trump supporters are among the republicans, although, let's not all republicans are bad, ronald rayton is also a republican, john mccain is also a republican and ... even though rosneger

is also a republican, it does not mean that the republicans are somehow bad and that they do not understand something, but this group of trumpists, what they have done, especially the speaker of the house of representatives, is gentle house of parliament of the united states , the gentle gentle house of representatives, he did, maybe he wanted to, as they say, excuse the tabloid slang , bow down to trump, he did a very bad thing for the united states, first of all, it surprises the father... no, what he offered to the deputies, although they were the majority there, as in the senate, in the lower house there was also a majority of people who would vote for help, he alone made the decision to go on vacation, that is, one person, one person, what is it, can to make a decision in time war to three countries, two of which are in the stage of war and one of which is in preparation for war, taiwan, israel and ukraine, to offer to put them.

the supply of money and weapons for the maintenance of freedom by one person, how can this be, it is unacceptable, and why two words, and why two words, 30 seconds, and why is this bad for the united states, because it is now considered by europeans and the whole world as not very reliable partner, and it has tarnished the image of the united states, i think not for years, not even for decades, so i think the americans will not be grateful to this speaker, haim the greek. thank you, mr. oleksiy, it was oleksiy hetman, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, a retired major of the national guard of ukraine, or in the reserve, please, and let me remind you, friends, that we are conducting a survey during this broadcast, we are asking you about this today, do you trust you information of the united telethon, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, yes, no, or write your comment under this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone and vote if you trust.

0800 211 381 no 0800 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free, vote and at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we have yehor cherniev, people's deputy of ukraine, deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on national security, defense and intelligence, mr. yehor, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, good evening, how are you? were participants of the munich security conference , the largest forum that took place not only in europe, but in the whole world, and where people discussed the future, the present and the future, in on the first day of this conference , it became known about the assassination of navalny in russia, how this story affected and whether it affected the discussion of what is happening now in ukraine and what the world should do for...

for russia to leave ukraine and for russia was defeated, undoubtedly had an impact, but i think that it did not have an impact in the way that putin wanted, that is, in principle, to block the topic of aid to ukraine, this did not happen, but , let's say, it increased the level of communication and the need for a response from the russian federation and deterrence. federation, but not so much that , in a speech, a rather powerful speech, let's say, for example, the same kanster scholz in his candid, especially for chancellor scholz, this fact did not allow him, for example, to say or announce the transfer of long-range, long-range missiles to ukraine actions of taurus, although even i spoke with his members of the bundestag, they said that it would be logical, an escalation from the side. from putin, and

the response from the western world, in particular from germany. that is, to say that somehow it is blocked the agenda, i can't, but definitely everyone. yesterday, i understand that you also had the opportunity to observe the reaction of our western partners in munich, yesterday dmitry medvedev, the deputy head of the security council of the russian federation, stated that if russia is pushed to the borders of 1991, then russia can apply nuclear weapons, well , judging by... the post he made, one could draw the following conclusion, i will quote what medvedev said: the collapse of russia will have much more dire consequences than the results of a conventional, even a protracted war, because attempts to return russia to the borders of 1991 will lead

, not only to one, to a global war with western countries and the use of the entire strategic arsenal of our state in kiev, berlin, london, washington. on all our beautiful, other beautiful historical places, long ago included in the flight targets of our nuclear triad. we see how putin used exactly two elements of threats and two signals to the world. the first is information about the murder of navalny and the second is mitry medvedev, if you don't treat him ironically, but he relays the messages generated by kriml, that is, from what. we can expect such a development from russia, because with navalny we see that they have brought their dirty business to the end. you know, delirium is a terrible thing, it seems to me that our partners no longer take it into account when

medvedev once again gives out some pearls, because we understand that he is actually a jester who can say whatever he wants to the kremlin. he has repeatedly threatened with some red lines our western world, and in principle nothing was happening, so take it seriously , i think that our partners will not, but this does not exclude that our partners absolutely do not assess the risks of a direct collision with the russian federation and do not assess the challenges, i want a very small percentage for. the use of nuclear weapons by russia, more in the section on nuclear weapons they talked about possible use in space against satellites, but in other aspects i did not hear that it was really discussed as a real threat. in parallel with this, ukraine concludes

security agreements with germany and france, in munich zelensky held a number of bilateral negotiations, in particular with the leader. denmark, the netherlands, the czech republic and azerbaijan, let's listen to what zelensky said. american partners separately. the conversation with president biden, very important points, and, in particular , about avdiivka, and the need to continue principled and sufficient support for ukraine. talks with the vice president. the usa has very substantive meetings with congressmen, representatives of both parties, both chambers of the american congress. and every such conversation confirmed the key meaning as clearly as possible. it is ukraine that can stop putin and create such conditions that he will be punished for

all the evil he has done. sir, mr. yehor, do our western partners understand that their future and the future of the world... now depends on the situation in ukraine, and that ukraine is exactly the point where their efforts should be directed, and financial, including and gunsmiths, well, let's be honest, but really the majority both in the house of representatives and in the senate supports ukraine, and among those who came to munich, our parliamentary delegation also... had a bilateral meeting with parliamentarians from the congress and both republicans and democrats, and they absolutely clearly said that they heard the message with which zelensky came to them, came to them, but at the same time, there were such senators as vance, who absolutely

consistently opposes aid to ukraine and the general reduction of the participation of the united states in the security of europe, and... all this is happening now and, unfortunately, affects internal decisions in the congress, conscious congressmen absolutely. clearly understand what consequences such steps to delay aid will have for ukraine and for the united states itself, that indeed this is what europe, other democratic countries, and the global south are watching, who see that it is now ending, the united states cease to be a leader, and that is why this leadership is taken over by, for example, germany in europe. mr. yehor, is there any unity among the western

partners themselves, what is the victory of ukraine and what is the defeat of russia, or is there a vision of one pictures when putin loses and ukraine wins, that is, what should it be? deputinization, denazification, demilitarization, what should be the process to record that putin has lost. you know, the paradox is that all our western partners are speaking absolutely clearly and with a united front for ukraine to win, but there is no clear picture of russia's loss at the same time. i don't understand how it fits into their single paradigm, and we are trying to prove that it is impossible to do one thing without the other. and these are all questions that we do not want to provoke putin through granting. long-range missiles or through the provision of some kind of greater assistance, this simply leads to

a dead end, and we tell this to our partners, and i will tell you that the more eastern our partners are, the closer they are to ukraine, the more radical they are, the more clearly they understand and divide our position, the further west, well, unfortunately, they do not understand that these are puzzles, part of one puzzle, ours. russia's victory and defeat, according to the results of this security conference, what can you say that ukraine gained and whether ukraine gained in general, there is a center, was the central event of the munich conference, as we expected, because during the last three international security conferences , we hear, well, about the same rhetoric, and this is the previous ones. invasion was this conference, then already in the 23rd year, a year ago

president zelensky spoke before the munich security conference, do the world still have other problems, europe has other problems that they are facing, and it seems to us that the whole the world should think about ukraine, and they think about israel or others potential hotspots that... could be in the world? if you look at the program of this conference, you can really fall into pessimism and see that several events, some side events, and a couple of panels are dedicated to ukraine. and to be honest, the first day disappointed me a bit, because it was quite so lean, you know, and i even allow myself, ah... to make an assessment of the performance of the united states, which was basically quite formal : so we will support, so we we will

support, yes, we, we are with ukraine, but to be honest, i didn’t hear any breakthrough there, ah, and i didn’t see that, you know, passion for help, as it was, for example, last year, but the second day changed everything, after president zelensky’s speech, on at which he was... simply sold out in the main hall, he was met and sent off with applause , ukraine really returned to the agenda, after that the performance of scholz was quite powerful, which, again , considering his personality as quite enough of such a blue peace, let's say so , and he articulated quite clearly what europe and in particular germany should take over... take on more responsibility, and in fact , between the lines, it was heard that it should take over

the leadership in aid, in helping ukraine, well, i already saw that ukraine was in one way or another on every panel present, despite the fact that i will repeat that the program of the event included the middle east, some climatic problems, and problems. and the problems of africa, well , that is, he was, the program was really so blurred, on the first day, the second, third day were absolutely focused and concentrated and there was a lot about ukraine. and , according to bloomberg, mr. yehor, at the munich security conference , representatives of nato member countries discussed in private conversations the need to prepare for a possible war between russia and nato, in connection with trump's latest statements and doubts about the role of the united states of america in the defense of europe.

according to the washington post, the european union is already looking for backup plans in case donald trump comes to power in the united states of america, who will stop supporting ukraine and actually allow dictator putin to destabilize the european region. european officials have privately discussed the creation of a pan-continental nato unit that would work in harmony with american security guarantees, but also be able to serve as a reliable alternative in the event of a rejection of american guarantees. washington writes about it. post, mr. yegor, is the world waiting for the arrival of donald trump and is this the concern that bloomberg and the washington post convey? you know, there was really tension in the air, not that it was tension, but it was the need for european

countries to come together and the sense that the united states is still ... putting foreign policy on the back burner because of its domestic political turbulence right now and i think that in the near future, which will continue in the coming months until the presidential election, and may continue depending on what the results were going to be, so there were really conversations on the sidelines, i was present at one of the closed dinners. which were attended by stoltenberg and bauer, ah, the head of nato's military cabinet. unfortunately, i don't i can talk about the fact that it was chaos in the chat, but, let's say, everyone understands that in europe it is necessary to take on more responsibility, to take on a de facto

leading role both in protecting ourselves and in helping ukraine. well, the question is, is europe ready? before that, and do the capabilities of europe and the countries that are part of the north atlantic alliance now allow it to be done? you know, economically, i think that yes, we see something, the gdp of the countries of europe, the countries of the western world, it portends several times the gdp of the russian federation, the power in principles and there is also an opportunity to increase them, i was literally today at the taurus missile factory and talked to the management of this factory, and they say that there is no problem to start a production line for these missiles now in order to provide all

missiles are needed, not only for ukraine, but also for germany or for other countries that will be needed, a problem or a problem or a plus, i don’t know how to say it correctly, in these countries the market economy is not an administrative command economy, where the circuit breaker is turned on all at full capacity for the necessary needs of the country, here you really need to go through the process of coordination, for example, the bundestag allocating new funds, concluding contracts, starting production, and this takes... time, and we tried to tell our partners that you don't have that time anymore , war is on your doorstep and you need to move very quickly to build up all these capabilities, and it is better to do it for ukraine to stop the war here in ukraine, and not wait for it to come to

your mind. thank you, mr. yehor, it was yehor chernev, people's deputy of ukraine, who participated in the munich security. conference, we learned first-hand about what was actually said on the sidelines and what representatives of world leaders and world states, on which our future depends, think. friends, i would like to remind you that we work simultaneously live, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. please, if you're watching us live there, please vote in our poll, we're asking you this today, do you trust the single's information? telethon, yes, no, if you have your own opinion, please write in the comments under this video on youtube, if you watch us telecast, pick up your phone and vote if you trust the information. of a single telethon 0800-211-381 no 0800-211-382 all calls to these numbers are free, call us, we are interested to know

your opinion, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with my colleague, journalist roman tsimbalyuk, former vlaskorunyan in moscow. mr. roman, i i welcome you and thank you for being with us. hello, sergey, greetings to everyone. and i usually call. and traditionally subscribe to the youtube channel of roman tsymbalyuk, a person who has more than a million subscribers on youtube, trust roman tsymbalyuk, watch him and listen to his operative comments, as i do myself. so, mr. rman, let's start with what happened in russia, putin killed navalny, which, in principle, probably logically should have happened in another two years or so. three years, four years ago in 2020, when oleksiy was poisoned in russia, the first time it didn’t work, but now , during the munich security conference, putin

decided to demonstrate to the whole world that he can kill not only ukrainians, but also oppositionists, for whom he was once threatened by the biden administration and biden personally, do you think he will change in general. the absence of navalny or the removal of navalny is the whole story, whether it will change russia, or whether nothing will change russia except a merciless riot of some kind, which can be provoked by expensive vodka, expensive bread or something else, well, in fact, russia changes, but every day it changes and currently they change. towards such a nazi ultra-dictatorship, and the main changer of the russian federation is not the so-called russian oppositionists, but us and the armed

forces of ukraine, who, despite everything, continue to fight the invader, regarding the world's reaction, another concern, threats to putin, there, you know, the funniest thing. it was the idea to introduce sanctions against russia for the fact that they soaked navalny, well, it causes such a nav not even a smile, to a certain extent disgust, and this the hatred is coming from moscow, in what way, that he, that is, the russian dictator, is directly showing everyone that he doesn't care, you understand that you won't do anything to me, you are the west. you can't even provide ukraine with shells, we already have, as they say, a real hot war with you , a real one, tens of thousands of people killed, well, in

this regard, i would like, you know, somehow to draw attention to the russian so-called liberal commentators, who are so upset about something , and what happens, for example, and makes them their potential beautiful. russia future, they are not interested, they are not interested in mariupol, not bucha, not a widow, so why did he do it, well, he really has after such tortures that he endured miki tromprivatsya, but in fact they destroyed him, who will tell them that you can't do that, well, no stops are visible today, plus america... which can't even agree to financial aid, it's still inspiring, it's all connected, it seems our grandfather joseph biden understood, because when he spoke about biden, oh,

sorry, about navalny, he immediately tied it up with ukraine, the daughter of boris nimtsov, zhanna understood everything, she also urged that for this we should not talk about sanctions, but transfer airplanes to ukraine, if you want changes in russia, well , help ukraine, at least... mine will die from this onslaught of the nazi , that is, everything is clear, and you see these, well, what, i know , i look at them, these people with candles, with flashlights, and well, they, you know, on the one hand, cause such sympathy, and it is nice that there is people who are against the war, but they behave like suicides, you know, so massive suicide, oleksiy actually committed suicide , in fact, i don’t know what he was counting on, and these people are the same, here you either keep quiet, or

under it... and from whom do you lower the trains, or go to ukraine and fight against the nazis , there are simply no other options, and here are all the things, i especially like the anti-putin rallies in new york, in tbilisi, well , agree, it's a bit, strange, strange, i would say, but today, look, wife. oleksiyya navalny yulia recorded the appeal, said that she would continue case of her husband and called on the russians to achieve the destruction of the dictatorial regime of vladimir putin, on her conviction it was the head of the kremlin who gave the order to kill her husband. let's listen to yulia navalna. we know why putin killed oleg, but there is no particular reason.

they are killers. and this must be talked about, and the reaction of the world should probably be appropriate, as towards murderers, that is, murderers deserve something, either for a long, long time, or according to russian law, whether they have already restored the death penalty there or not, they have not restored it yet, well i think that by the time it is necessary to punish putin, there will already be the death penalty, well, i'm going to say that... when navalna talks about the fact that we have to leave something else and is sitting somewhere across the ocean, well, well this also raises the question, well, what’s next, well, first of all, sergey, i have to correct you, she didn’t say that they had to go out somewhere, she said that she would continue oleksiy’s case, and before what i say, i sincerely sympathize with her, and

i have no joy about the death of... because any changes in russia, well, at least they give there is a minimal chance of ending the war, that 's all clear, but when she says: i will continue navalny's case, a natural question arises: what is the point, sitting in prison, fighting russian corruption, so that everything new goes to the armed forces of the russian federation , the most modern, well, russia is the state as much as possible. a lot of old people are just a bunch there, you see, she says people, people, divide the people, how to divide it, well, we see the appearance of just another tykhanovskaya, maybe, you know, the western world, they still soft power is always calculated for the future, and maybe it will have security, there is an unlimited card, or a limited one,

it doesn't matter what... in practice, what you can do in practice, you see, and the man was killed, and the word people in it is not connected with ukraine, you see, that is, putin's russia here, and the beautiful russia of the future somewhere there, we will definitely return, although the chances of these people returning to russia are only in case of success. of our army, it’s like that for a second, but they, like alexei , avoided this question, i’m already talking about butterburd, it’s banal, and there is no point in mentioning it, he had ideas about international borders not long before his death, in fact, he already wrote such a cool programming text, but - wait, you know why i feel so sorry and disgusted with them in fact ,

because... in the 14th year, when it started.