polish farmers, they say that they are conducting a dialogue with polish farmers, they are trying, they say that they are conducting a dialogue with the ukrainian side, they are trying to find some kind of understanding also with brussels, because these demands of polish farmers also concern european agricultural policy, but not less, nothing actually happens, and the protesters put forward new and new demands, expand their... protests to an ever-larger territory, new professional groups join them, and if the polish government does not reacts, then it is actually a good time for the ukrainian government to pay attention to this, because it is not only about solving the problems of polish farmers, it is about striking the security and defense power of ukraine, er... and these protests at the border,

blocking the border and blocking international transportation actually affect the defense capability of ukraine, and we cannot stand by, not to mention that it affects the economy of ukraine. mr. andrii, president zelensky also mentioned the third party, the european commission, the european union. in poland is a member of the european union, and it is clear that its actions are against ukraine. perceived as the actions of a large european community, since poles are integrated into the european system. why, in this case, a third party did not intervene and does not intervene in this story, considering that we are going to the european union, and it will happen in five, in five years or in 10, there will be no such border between poland and ukraine and there will be nothing to block, it's only a matter of time, and why is the european union not... inactive in this situation? well,

for one thing, the european union is actually responding on, is the european commission responding to the protests, uh, what, uh, farmers' protests that are happening all over europe, and who are expressing their dissatisfaction with the new policy, the agricultural policy of the european union, the so-called green order or whether green is green, the green road, e. and so far the european union or the european commission , taking into account the fact that poland recently changed its government, if it expected that this government would be able to take, well, full control, under full control of everything that happens in poland, but it looks like this that the government does not give itself. i'm glad to

those challenges that appeared in connection with the protests of agricultural producers, and in the end, the polish government itself today or the ministry of agriculture has turned to the european commission with a request to help them solve these problems, because in fact, even if we are talking about one of the requirements protesters, this is a ban on the export of ukrainian, ukrainian agricultural products to the polish or european market, this cannot be resolved only at the level of warsaw or not only at the level of negotiations between ukraine and poland, there the european commission should also be involved, and as far as i know, on friday, orsula fonderline is already arriving in warsaw together with belgium, belgium, which presides over

the european, in the european union at the moment, and i think there will be serious talks with the polish government to settle the situation, because it is not only about the ukrainian-polish border, it is the border of ukraine with by the european union, and this also weakens the unity, solidarity and defense of the entire european union. what is happening on the border with ukraine, and therefore it is also in the interest of the eu to solve these problems as soon as possible. well, you are right about the fact that this is the border of the european union and ukraine, and it is also a border that allows us to import here the goods that we need in order to wage war with the russian federation, this must also be understood in the european union . and in poland

, for sure, at least the consul general of poland in lviv, eliza dzvonkiewicz, strongly condemned the actions of polish farmers in polish-ukraine. to whom the border apologized to warring ukraine, which she wrote on twitter: i cannot pretend that i do not see these shameful actions of poland on the polish-ukrainian border, i ask for your forgiveness, dear ukrainian friends, what is happening cannot be the work of my compatriots, what ms. dzvonkiewicz said, whether or not this is the answer to the fact that polish farmers could be used by... pro-russian forces or russian forces and or russian special services and put that tractor on which yesterday's poster was, putin, please intervene in this matter and solve this issue, how do you

see it, or is it the mood of a part of the poles, whether we are wrong or whether these are provocateurs, you know the situation in poland much better than any of us. and you can say for sure that it was a provocation, or it was the position of a part of people who may think so, well, first of all, i would like to say that i would like to note and thank mrs. consul general liza dzvonkiewicz, mrs. consul general of poland in lviv , for her position, it is a very timely, very correct, intelligent, sober voice, and she herself sees it very well. actually near the ukrainian-polish border, as far as this one the situation can worsen relations between our countries and weaken the security factor and defense capability of both ukraine and poland, which absolutely no one needs. the second is the

issue of provocations. in fact, yes, if you follow how these events developed and what they all are. more and more , the demands and slogans and statements of the protesters were anti-ukrainian in nature, and the politicians of the right-wing confederation party, which is known for having ties to russia and business ties and political ties and perhaps financial ties, then we can say that... some russian special services, through their agents in poland, are using this strike to actually stir up relations between ukraine and poland, and even worse between ukrainians and poles, that's exactly why what

we've seen these slogans coming up is one of those slogans that everyone noticed because it was very loud, but there's a lot of... also these kinds of slogans and these incitements to let's scatter the seed , let's not miss not only goods, yes, but also passengers , let's expel all ukrainians from poland, all these statements are actually aimed at inciting inter-ethnic enmity, and in particular between ukrainians and poles, because that is why we can say that there is a rather large element here. .. actually this third influence of a third party, well, first of all, russia, russia, who are interested in ensuring that there is no unity between ukraine and poland, and one more small emphasis that i wanted to make, of course, polish farmers

have the right to their protests, however, in fact, some forces are urging them to hold these protests near the ukrainian-polish border, but... but it is not the ukrainian drivers who decide, their demands will be decided, it is not the passengers of ukrainian buses and cars who will solve their problems, their problems can be solved by the polish government, the polish parliament, can be decided by the european commission, and therefore such protests should be made at the polish government itself, at the ministry of agriculture and or in brussels, nevertheless. someone is inciting to make these protests actually on border, at first it was done by truckers who were directly connected with the confederation and with the russian special services, and now it is done by farmers, i understand their

dissatisfaction, but it seems that their dissatisfaction, their protests are consciously or unconsciously used by those who playing at... in moscow. well, by the way, the deputy minister of agriculture of poland, michal kolodziajczyk, confirmed to the polish press agency that ukrainian grain actually goes through poland in transit, but expressed concern. that the prospect of loss may be by polish farmers of the german market , what you say, that in principle the poles should return to the western border, in this case not the eastern one, which is absolutely correct, that is, if ukrainian grain enters germany, and in the end that the grain that was spilled, as claimed by ukrzaliznytsia, was actually supposed to go in transit through poland to germany, and then return to poland, well, let him express himself. their protests to german, well, companies that buy this ukrainian grain and then resell it to poland, or to

polish companies that buy this grain, and ukrainian drivers here. i will quote michal kolodziejczyk, what he said: if i went to protest today, i would block another border. poland introduced an embargo on those products from ukraine that worried us the most. let's take germany. we also see protests and statements by german farmers in germany that they do not want this. from ukraine, where it is clear that companies buy a lot from poland, but the government did not introduce an embargo on these products, which creates congestion and takes ukrainian products from us as well german market. in addition, already after that , the deputy minister of agriculture said that poland can introduce further restrictions on the import of ukrainian goods in the event of a lack of cooperation from the ukrainian side, in his opinion, quotas for goods from ukraine should be introduced at the level of the european union , well... again, if we are talking about the introduction of quotas at the level of the european union, then why are they

going to the ukrainian border again, that is, let them go to brussels and in brussels just are discussing these issues, simply in this story , as i understand it, there is a side that is interested in the fact that the poles are constantly near the ukrainian border, in order to close the western window to us, well, the window to western europe in fact, and or let’s say to create another front on ... western border of ukraine. but you were right about the fact that someone is trying to make ukrainians and poles clash again. we had a difficult history between two countries, between two peoples, and it is clear that everyone will now have some grudges about what happened. but, really the poles have no sense of the instinct of self-preservation, because they understand that if we lose to putin, then they will be the next in this situation. and what they are doing, they are just shooting themselves in the foot, well

, there is such an awareness in polish society that after all, poland could be the next target of russian aggressive policy, but none the less these emotions, which were born in the environment protestors, they have obscured this consciousness a little now. and, i think that it is necessary to remind once again as soon as possible to polish society, polish farmers and the polish government, that the biggest threat is not ukrainian grain, but russian aggressive policy, and in fact, if russia continues its military expansion, we will not... we will not even talk about quotas, nor about the prices of agricultural products, but

we and the poles will defend ourselves, there is no need for this, the source of all these problems is the kremlin, and we would never use polish territory as a corridor for the export of ukrainian agricultural products, we got by with having a sea corridor, but russia blocked it for us, it's true, we are now... renewing it, but for a certain period, for a certain time, she blocked it, and therefore we were forced to use poland to export our products to other markets, but if we are not united, if we are not in solidarity, if we are not together in the fight against russian aggression, then each of the countries will become victims separately, and then the whole of europe. thank you, mr. andriy, for the conversation, it was andriy deshchytsia, diplomat, former ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to

the republic of poland. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. like this video, on the platforms you watch us on, and take part in our vote. today we ask you about whether polish trucks should be blocked in response to poles' actions. yes, no, everything is on youtube. simply, or write your comment under this video what you think about it, if you watch us on tv, take to pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think we should block polish trucks. in response to their blockade: 0800-211-381, no, 0800-211-382, all calls to these numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with serhii grabskyi, a military expert, veteran of the international mission in iraq, co-founder of the all-ukrainian union of participants

in peacekeeping actions and operations. mr. sergey, i congratulate you, thank you for being with me today by us let's start our conversation with the situation around avdiivka, ukrainian defenders have taken up the defensive near the city of avdiivka, and there are ongoing battles, and russian troops are now attacking in the direction of the village of lastochkina, which is west of avdiivka, they have enough forces to attack, the deputy commander said of the third assault brigade, maksym zhorin, and the pentagon called the withdrawal of ukrainian forces from avdiivka strategic for the sake of preservation. own artillery and shells, which are critically lacking without the help of the united states of america. let's explain to our viewers, what does strategic withdrawal mean? this means that we left for a short time and will return there very soon, or is it a strategic withdrawal, we are going on the defensive, and the russians will attack again, as was the case with zavdiivka. well, you know,

it's hard to explain it in two words, you just have to be aware of it. what is a defensive operation in general and what are the criteria for the effectiveness of this defensive operation? as long as we can inflict effective damage on the enemy by overwhelmingly destroying the forces attacking our defensive positions, this operation is expedient as long as we can secure control over the front line which precludes the possibility of encirclement and destruction of large numbers of our forces and assets, such an operation is advisable. thus, even based on these two... factors, if we are talking about the impossibility of obtaining those positions due to extremely serious influence of the enemy, due to limited resource resources, due to the threat of the environment, a decision is made to withdraw from the positions in order to preserve our most valuable resource , it is personnel, and equipment, and ammunition, and all other resources to

stop the enemy. well, when we talk about the effectiveness of a defensive operation, one of the tasks of a defensive operation is destruction. potential, offensive potential of the enemy, and if the enemy can no longer develop offensive actions, then this is also a sign of the success of this operation, right now, we are observing combat operations in the lastochkino area, in the northern area, where the enemy is trying to put pressure on our positions, but this pressure is no longer as powerful as it was, for example, when the opponent attacked avdiyivka itself, thus we are talking about the fact that we are strengthening the occupied... positions and are already creating the prerequisites for the creation of appropriate fortifications and the development of these fortifications in order to prevent further breakthroughs by the enemy. a strategic departure, that we will soon return, unfortunately, in this situation, no, and the task is not

about this, because a breakthrough in this, in this direction requires a colossal effort of forces and means. which i am simply not physically present today. british intelligence says that after the capture of avdiyivka, the russian forces also need time for re-equipment and rest, and in the following weeks they will try to expand their territorial gains. well, at least the american press is writing about the fact that it can be several directions where the russians will hit, as far as they currently have possible. after this avdiiv operation, which was quite difficult for the russians, where they lost 47,000 personnel, according to the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, how far do they have these capabilities, how far are they capable to renew and throw new and new

forces in order to conquer the ukrainian territory, and when we talked with you. about the criteria for the effectiveness of a defensive operation, i mentioned that the task of a defensive operation is to destroy the offensive potential of the enemy, and this is exactly what we are seeing here now, because it is not about the total number of military personnel operating in this direction, the ability of military units to conduct combat actions, i.e. about the combat capability of military units, and as a result of those suffered losses, as we can see, the enemy has reduced the pace of pressure on our positions precisely on this part of the front, but objectively. it should be understood that even 47,000 destroyed occupiers are approximately 10% of the contingent of russian troops fighting in our direction. on the fronts of the ukrainian-russian war, which means that they have certain resources to carry out offensive actions in other areas of the front.

therefore, yes, the avdiiv operation fulfilled its role in the donbas direction, in the donetsk direction, to be specific, but this does not mean that the enemy will not have the opportunity to accumulate additional forces and carry out offensive actions in other areas, and we can see how threatening the situation is now in the robotinsky area. introduction, we see how the enemy is concentrating and trying to conduct active combat operations, so far not as intense as before, but less so, in the area of ​​the kupyansk, svativsk, liman direction, i.e. that part of the front, and there is a certain intensification of the enemy's combat operations in marinka district in the direction of novomykhaivka and further down to kostyantynivka, where the enemy has certain advances in the area of ​​the village of pobeda. therefore, the enemy has certain resources and combat potential to carry out such isolated attempts to carry out offensive,

offensive actions, not even operations, offensive actions to gain such tactical advantages. general kyrylo budanov in an interview with the wall street journal said that the russians now want to completely capture and control donetsk and luhansk regions. this one still lacks strength, and he says that according to ukrainian estimates sides , there are about 590,000 soldiers involved in the war against ukraine, but these are mostly untrained conscripts, and they need to constantly, constantly replenish the army in order to achieve their goal, which was declared two years ago by vladimir putin, to go to administrative borders. donetsk and luhansk regions, i understand that, mr. serhiy, that in the next few months, if not

longer, the russians will not be able to do this, because even with the limited funding that we have now from the american side, in in principle, the armed forces of ukraine are able to restrain the invaders, and in general, yes. in general, yes, and in fact, this is what you and i talked about, that is, when we talk about such terrible numbers of 590, we must understand what i mentioned, approximately 475 thousand, these are those that are directly on the territory of ukraine, it is added here there is still a certain contingent, and the russian guards, this is approximately 32, that is, it already turns out to be 500 thousand, and the remaining 90,000 are those who ensure the actions of russian troops in other areas, or are representatives of the military navy. russia, military and space forces that support airstrikes on the territory of ukraine, but in view of what general budanov said during the translation into an accessible

language, this is what i was actually talking about, namely, that the enemy has certain resources to , to carry out separate offensive operations, but the combat readiness of the military units that actually conduct such offensive operations is relatively limited, which excludes the possibility. carrying out some massive offensive actions in different parts of the front. what we are observing with you now, what we mentioned, are such tactical efforts to advance on certain aspects of the front in order to gain certain tactical advantages. well, as we say, for example, about avdiivka, they pushed us away from avdiivka, gained tactical advantages, which will later have a rather serious operational significance, but this will be in the future. the situation is approximately the same in other areas. front, therefore, in principle, we can agree with the conclusions of general bodanov, regarding the fact that the enemy, having certain resources, he cannot use them

effectively due to the losses he bears , although it should be noted that the enemy's loss recovery rates are quite high, but it is really not about trained personnel, but those units, or those human-human personnel who can be used in combat. actions, they learn already in the course of hostilities, and relatively those who survive have more skills, but they are not enough to even seriously consider the issue of conducting any large-scale hostilities. mr. serhiu, when we if we are talking about the losses and about the human resources that russia possesses, then we should remind that more than 400 thousand, according to the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, these are the losses of russians killed and wounded, i understand... well, the total figure is 400 thousand, is there a threshold of losses that will be painful for russia, or is it there at all, or can they put

a million or two there. three and to say that in principle, well, for this same victory , many people had to be sacrificed in order to destroy the ukrainian, as they say, fascists, well you you know, at the beginning we had such an assumption, and this assumption was based on absolutely such objective parameters that as a result of the destruction of at least 25% of the combat potential of the enemy, they would cease to be capable of conducting combat operations, but we must admit that our assumption is was too optimistic, and given what the enemy is counting on, how he organizes these hostilities, he actually does not have a combat threshold that we can talk about with you as a threshold beyond which they will lose the ability to conduct hostilities, i emphasize exactly hostilities, because even today , as a result of the fact that the contract or professional army of the russian federation, as such, was destroyed, they are now conducting

hostilities, well, in their usual format. that is, in fact, an unprofessional army, and no matter what it is called, whether it is mobilized, or whether it is an army of those who came voluntarily in pursuit of money, the essence does not change, they have the opportunity to replenish their armed forces now, and not pay attention to those the losses they're bearing right now and you know i'm somewhere met such an absolutely humanistic phrase that characterizes actions against. for today, that is, and the number of losses determines the greatness of the victory, that is, you know, for us it is barbarity to suffer such losses, and for the enemy to capture the avdiivka, when they lost such a colossal number of people, which is many times greater than the number of what the soviet the union lost in afghanistan in 10 years, for them it only emphasizes the greatness of that victory, and they, as they say, are proud of what they are. that is

why we cannot speak even potentially that there is a certain threshold in russia, a pain threshold, beyond which they will stop fighting. our task is to destroy their combat potential, destroy equipment, destroy trained personnel, strike critical infrastructure facilities, command posts, and destroy facilities on the territory of the russian federation. regarding this informational support, you hinted at the fact that they took away or something... who, how they will present, their successes at the front, and the victory or thereabouts, we hope that after all, the victory will not be theirs will be over ukraine, but they are constantly lying about what is happening at the front, and of course, putin's presidential election is ahead, or putin's election, to put it simply, and yesterday they were sitting there in the shoig , looking at some maps, talking about they say that the krynk islands are already under the control

of the russian... authorities, specialists of the institute for the study of war of the united states of america assume that the statements about the capture of the bridgehead on the left bank of the kherson region are needed by the kremlin in order to strengthen the desired informational effect on the eve of the presidential elections, it is clear that during war, apparently, those who wage war and who initiate war lie a lot about war. more than those who defend themselves, because it is clear that for those who attack, it is necessary to create the effect that this is an army that will simply destroy the enemy army now and motivate its soldiers to die for that, well, explain what they die in general, er, what do you think, when in russian society, well, there will be a feeling that they are doing something wrong,

or let's say, they... lead in general an unjust war, or will it never happen? it will never happen, it will never happen, as it never happened, there was no assessment of the consequences of the afghan war, which for some reason in russian society, and what to do in certain layers of our society, is perceived as fulfilling an international duty, although it is clear that it was openly the mysterious war and these losses were absolutely meaningless, in the context of the russian federation this will not happen. in general, because to date the russian authorities have gained such a consensus with society, when society does not ask questions about the war and at the same time they receive quite serious financial support. let 's be honest for those who are in combat with the russian army, the money that the contract workers in russia get is money that they could not earn in their entire life and they get it in one month, so.. .