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glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy ordenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about the war, about ukraine, about the world, and about our victory. today in the program. payment for aggression and murder. the us has introduced more than 500 new sanctions against russia for the war in ukraine and the death of navalny. the european union also announced its package of sanctions. new missiles and upgraded nuclear weapons. the kremlin threatens the west with nuclear war, and ukraine with the capture of kyiv and odesa. how far can putin go? transnistrian separatists can ask in russia. moldova is worried about the preparation of an appeal to putin from the self-proclaimed republic. we will talk about this and other things during the next hour with a diplomat, the former ambassador of ukraine to the united states. states of america valery chaly. in

the second part, we will have a journalism club: maryna danylyuk yarmalayeva, maria gurska and yanina sokolova. however, before we start our big conversation, i suggest you watch a video of how hymers restores order in the kherson region, near the settlement of mykhailivka. fighters the air reconnaissance unit adjusted fire on the russian strela-10 air defense system and the 9a-331 combat vehicle of the complex. torus m1. let's see.

and literally just now there was a message that another russian a-50 plane was shot down over the sea of ​​azov. just a month ago, you remember, our air force shot down a similar plane, this is a flying radar plane, you can see how the russian one is burning.. the plane in

the krasnodar region, it fell just on the other side of the sea of ​​azov, and such a gift, the main intelligence department of the ministry defense and forces. defense did to the russian occupiers, friends, during our program we conduct a survey and ask you today whether zelensky should run for the presidency of ukraine again, yes, no , please vote on youtube, everything is quite simple there, either yes or no , your answer option, or leave your comment , please under this video, if you are sitting in front of the tv and watching us live on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and... vote if you think that zelensky needs to run again for the president of ukraine 0.800 211 381, no, 0800-211-382, all calls to these numbers are free, call and we should be in touch with valery chaly, diplomat,

ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-19, chairman of the board of the ukrainian crisis media center, mr. valery, i congratulate you, thank you, you are with us today, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes. so, mr. valery, today the united states of america announced the introduction of more than 500 sanctions, well 500 points, i mean, sanctions against the russian federation and new export restrictions against nearly 100 organizations on the eve of the second anniversary of russia's large-scale invasion of ukraine and after the death of alexei navalny, and the sanctions are aimed at making putin pay even more. the price for its aggression abroad and repression at home, said the statement of the president of the united states of america, joseph biden, which was released by the white house. what, in your opinion, mr. valery, sanctions could have been too painful for russia, and why they

time, too painful sanctions have not yet been introduced by the united states of america against the russians. if we talk about implementation. sanctions are one of the elements of pressure on the economy of the aggressor's country, and this is connected with the fact that, this is what we hear in stages, some separate ones, with the fact that in general it is a violation of the charter, and the second article of the un charter after itself, the third entails essentially an embargo, that is, it is a complete ban on trade, due to the fact that russia, which does not have any rights. to be in the un now because we know she took over the place after of the soviet union, it blocks all this, and therefore there is no embargo, and here we see such constant introductions of some packages there, dedicated to something, firstly, positive

that it exists, and after all, sanctions play their role, secondly the point is that the policy on sanctions has not really changed, you see, they are introduced in packages, they foresee some kind of response, in fact, it is precisely the timing of sanctions to some subsequent violations, well, in this case, they tied it to a part of the sanctions in connection with the murder political opponent in russia, navalny, to things, if one did not care, but this is a serious signal to the whole world, which should have already led to the recognition of the country in the usa, at least in russia . to terrorism, and in general, well , it's about time, if earlier they said no, it will create problems, i think that such an action would be much more significant than all these sanctions, why? because the sanctions have been introduced, many of them are being avoided, we can see this from what is coming to us, and

unfortunately, there are fresh shipments of chips, fresh parts, including american ones, so the most important, it is more important now to close the task. holes in those countries that allow the russians to circumvent sanctions, this is, firstly, secondly, still such countries as, well, in particular india, for example, which receives russian oil products, then processes and sells in the usa in the form of already processed , yes , he sells oil, oil products, well, such things must be closed somehow, because i think that everyone perfectly understands that these holes must be closed, well, there are more. in the usa there are certain exceptions that they do not want to introduce, because it hits not only the aggressor, but also very hits hard on some sensitive sectors of theirs, well, for example, they still get this uranium from there, and a lot, so i would say that the question here is not a change of approach,

it is necessary not to add timing, or some really subsequent violations , it is necessary to conduct an anticipatory policy of maximum blockade, where you have already prepared really... no, well, there are economic losses, we understand that, but we, ukrainians, ukraine invest more in countering this aggression in europe, that is, people’s lives, that is why all these explanation. should be left in the past what are we losing there economically, we need to be where we are ready, without really such serious losses on our side, we need to apply maximum pressure there and concentrated in time, therefore we need to change approaches to the introduction of time, volumes, introduction of sanctions, well, it is already ripe for nuclear energy, russia is developing, rosa feels very easy there in all directions, that is... it is ripe for lng to europe there, well, many such

things that were already supposed to be introduced yesterday, well , unfortunately, unfortunately, there are well, there are problems, but that's all we must say that nevertheless, signals are being sent to moscow in such a way that there will be no deviation from such a policy, well, mr. valery, you mentioned india, which processes russian oil, and then transports oil products to ... of the united states, for americans, this is not a secret, i understand correctly, they clearly understand what kind of oil it is, and well, i think that they accurately count the amount of oil produced in the world and perfectly understand who forms this market, that is, well, they deliberately buy from india's oil products , which are actually russian, there are, in my opinion, 13 million tons of oil or something like that per year, if i'm not mistaken, well, you know, i like... a ukrainian would like to change all this, well, at least the explanation is always in

because what is not subject to the sanctions policy is allowed, what is not prohibited is allowed, well, this is the story, it should be completely the opposite, i say that such and such an attack in europe on a sovereign country and previous decisions of the un and the un security council - this embargo is complete, without any exceptions, without country exceptions, a global embargo, unfortunately, it was not possible to achieve this, because of this we have such a gradual line, russia , let's face it, they are adapting to this, so the situation there is not improving, but two years of adaptation, in two years of a full-scale war, they have already adapted , found workarounds, covered their production there somewhere, and this, in the medium term, will destroy their economy, but... we don't have that many years, there are three to five, we need solutions this

year, and it's already starting, you know, not really be as effective as concentrated in time, so everyone understands everything, but look at how long, how long they have been leaving russia, not even all of them have left russian business, until now, they are still there and large funds, unfortunately, do not leave immediately either. went, that is why these corporations and rosa there, gazprom , huge amounts of foreign investors were invested there, well, today i can say that they have decided strategically, they are leaving russia, but this is happening over a very long period of time, we know cases of such an open nature, there where trade networks or production of some kind, that is, somehow explaining their line there, they continue to earn, in fact , on such a war, in fact... they earn on this market, from which others have left, for them it is actually a monopoly, some

western companies there, which remain, and i do not i will say that we have the usa here more than anything, there to pay attention, the usa, on the contrary, is the leader of the consolidation of the sanctions policy, in fact. mr. valery, on the eve of the introduction of united states of america sanctions against russia, joe biden met with the wife of a russian opposition figure oleksiy navalny yulia and his daughter. this is how he commented on this meeting. this morning i had the honor of meeting with the wife and daughter of alexei navalny. obviously, he was a man of incredible courage. and it's amazing how his wife and daughter follow suit. we will announce sanctions against those responsible for his death. and i understood that julia intends to continue fighting, go to the end and not give up. in the west, there was a rather sharp reaction to the assassination of oleksii navalny by vladimir putin, and

there were many statements and assessments of what happened in the russian federation, but we know that part of the opposition is in prison in russia, part somewhere in europe, in lithuania, latvia, in particular, that is, outside of russia. in your opinion, is the russian opposition in exile able to change russia? of course not, it is not capable , because we have seen it in history, this has already happened when, an authoritarian regime, dictatorial, well, i will remind you of... the same fascist period in nazi germany, that is, at first the repressions flared up gradually, they concerned at first, well, politically, political ones opponents in essence, then jews, roma, various groups of minorities, people of non-traditional

orientation, and so on, and it all started from that, created. first there were concentration camps for such people, then it turned into systemic politics, and in russia, in principle, it was the same , there was a period when a lot of people left, well, you can say millions, and they left, so in principle there are already those forces who there were times when at least 70,000 people gathered there for the swamp, there is no such thing anymore, and from the outside they still have no certainty regarding strategy. they had such a position, i look at it this way, the main one is putin, ukraine will break him, because in this unjust aggression, well, we will later, after that, when putin is defeated, we will return to russia , we will build a new russia, absolutely it does not work in the current conditions, i am grateful to those russians for their citizenship, who are fighting on

the side of ukraine, the armed forces of ukraine. and in principle, this is the only effective option that can be said today, even to those who surrender and then take up arms, realizing what propaganda has done to them russian, everything else, this is all in exile , it is needed, because sooner or later some kind of replacement of the russian regime will be needed, but i will say that there is less hope that changes will take place in the regime itself , now there is more in such a situation. .. well, is there any hope for a forecast, it is hypothetical, today it is not very big in terms of, let’s say, the percentage of reliability, but rather now i think there will be some fragmentation in russia itself due to the ineffectiveness of the regime’s actions and the impossibility

of withstanding the challenges of society on this treaty, which so far we pay you there "you buy products, we can wage the war we want and wage propaganda, but until this model is broken, i think it is unlikely that these oppositionists in exile will change something, although i say once again that they are still doing their part of the work, you see , well, if i, for example, as a citizen of ukraine, i would like the president of the united states, who is helping ukraine, who is currently promoting the solution from the package, to meet with the wives and husbands of our fallen soldiers and women and and the children who died, i would very much like for navalny, well, for all his role there, well, he, compared to what is happening in ukraine, this is completely, completely not the same story,

maybe it is hyped, but individually, yes, it is very hyped, he his, his has already made a contribution to history, but... the fact that against this background, well, somehow, it is definitely not just a tragedy that is being forgotten, but what is unfolding is that now even more murder of people is unfolding in ukraine, in fact a genocide, which creates, at least there the international court did not recognize this, but we see official russian statements to destroy ukrainians, in fact, that is, to destroy the country, to destroy the ukrainians, i believe that this is much more threatening than... what is being discussed now in the white house, these meetings, although they are necessary, because in america, you know, there is attention to these individual stories and we need to think about it, i would really like president joseph biden to meet with our brave women who are fighting now, well if it can be done there in terms of the situation, i think

a solution can be found with our wounded , which are treated, including by the united states. that is, such, in my opinion, balance impressions are not enough now. you have already mentioned the statements that indicate the intentions of the russian leadership to destroy ukraine and the ukrainians, and this week there was also a statement from dmitry medvedev, the deputy head of the security council of the russian federation, who said that , again, kyiv is a russian city. and they will take it sooner or later, and odesa is a russian city, and that we do not understand at all what kind of state ukraine is and it is not clear who ukrainians are, if anyone is against it. be their policy, then they they can get nuclear weapons and hit kyiv, berlin, and london, well, that is , he said a lot, and putin continued

this rhetoric of medvedev in congratulating him on the so-called defender of the fatherland day, the russian dictator declared that russia is almost 100 % updated its strategic nuclear weapons. let's listen to what putin said. taking into account real combat experience, we will continue to comprehensively strengthen the armed forces, ensure their constant technical re-equipment and modernization. today , the share of modern weapons and equipment in strategic nuclear forces has already reached 95%, and the naval component of the nuclear triad is almost 100%. serial production of new zircon hypersonic missiles has begun. tests of other strike systems are being completed , by the way, joe biden once again called him a son of a bitch, a madman who has gone mad, eh,

and according to you, mr. valery, is there any mechanism that will allow us to avoid this madness and the implementation of these crazy ideas, which putin and medvedev have, well, if we talk... about these statements again there with a nuclear club, then first of all, i will say that what medvedev is doing is a completely different story, it is the story of the formation of a parallel world, and there is his own theory of management, when he, he performs a specific role in the information space, it is completely different, and sometimes they send some signals, but not ukrainians, so, frankly speaking, there is not much like that, well, if he was called... it seems that the official spokesman of the european commission has already said that he needs to see a psychiatrist, well, if in brussels they say that he needs a medvedio to a psychiatrist, unfortunately, we don't have anything anymore

to discuss here, but regarding what putin declares, first of all, let the specialists speak, but we have already seen this story in the 22nd year, this is the unfolding of all threats, the first thing i will tell you, without being a big ... as an expert in nuclear weapons, i can definitely tell you, and not only these specialists know that, without tests of its nuclear warheads, there can be no question of any, as he says, one hundred percent re-equipment, there were no tests, well, if i'm not mistaken since 1996, if i'm not mistaken in the world, so without that, without that so that on some test site, well, the russian one... there was no test of a nuclear warhead first, one cannot continue to talk about the fact that there is any effectiveness there, if he is talking about carriers about missiles, then there are also serious problems with them, which means that

his statements that were heard there many years ago, i think we already know, he was bluffing in some ways, lying in some ways, but there was some truth in all of this, so do not underestimate the fact that russia invests resources, which, unfortunately, we talked with you, they have financial, unfortunately, it happens and on to strategic bombers , that is, they do it, they continue to produce , i emphasize it again, the carriers, from the carriers i can see that some things are happening, especially in the preparation of the war in ukraine, large-scale, to say that they have changed something radically in the capabilities to threaten precisely with nuclear warheads, whether strategic or tactical, well , unfortunately for them and fortunately for us, we do not have to, so we do not need to participate in promoting this new stage of threats

from russia. first, we know that informally, there were conversations between the chinese leader and the russian leader, and china, it is not beneficial for china to deploy such things, even preparations. nuclear weapons, because china in its region is surrounded by nuclear countries, and some of them are of great concern to china itself, so in this regard, although it may be a consolidated position, it is firstly, and secondly, look, we , they said, those who promised security guarantees there according to the budapest memorandum, said that we promised it from the point of view of the use of nuclear weapons, so... what application and preparation for application there is also such a thing, so i think it is necessary to pay attention to these statements now not only in the usa and britain, which in many respects comply with.

their promises, but also france, nuclear and china, because they are actually their letters then, these letters are in the archive of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, they were not signatories, but they joined such an approach, not to threaten nuclear weapons, but in fact now it is possible to apply this the document, no matter how weak it may seem, is the first, second, i emphasize once again, we need so that there are explanations in ukraine that there are no threats... strikes with strategic nuclear weapons on the territory of ukraine, this does not exist today, because it has already been discussed, and putin will not cross these red lines, he is really a human being, well, in many ways he is sick, mentally, but there are their own, including technical safeguards for this story, if we talk about other options for tactical nuclear weapons, then there are no tests yet, that's all

, well... for now, such empty statements, well, and thirdly, we have to watch now for other things that we forget behind this, firstly, we have there are many more threats, specifically the russian offensive now on our territory, secondly, they have the zaporizhia nuclear plant under control and in a very dangerous state, thirdly, they have other facilities in crimea that can be used as man-made disasters, this is what ukraine needs to deal with right now. and you know, this whole story with nuclear threats, we've already been through it, we've already , in my opinion, ukrainians are scared of our own. you mentioned france, that france could, in this situation, mention its signature, what was signed under the budapest memorandum, and emmanuel macron on monday invited a number of foreign leaders to him and...

there they will discuss the strengthening of cooperation in support of kyiv, we see that the bundestag called on the german government to provide long-range weapons, without mentioning the taurus, we see some talk so far that the americans are ready to provide missiles with longer-range radio attacks, that is, we understand that the whole world is beginning to realize the danger that comes from. especially, apparently, this after he gave this boring two-hour interview to tucker carson, and everyone realized that, well, he's living in some kind of medieval, maybe even ancient, and trying to redraw the world, according to maps that were still in the 13th or 14th century, you, mr. valery, do you think that the west will be able to change the situation,

the uncertainty in which we are now... when the congress of the united states of america has not yet made a decision regarding ukraine, when we still do not have long-range weapons, when even the americans themselves recognize that the lack of these weapons affects the front, in particular that concerns avdiivka, that is , has the time come when they already understand that without such weapons it is simply impossible to defeat putin? the time had come when they began to seriously consider the threat of direct. confrontation with russia at this stage, that is, it was initially in intelligence and in the ministries of defense , now it is already being declared politically in nato countries, so what we talked about, well , in fact, at first, a large-scale invasion, and i think that this is the right conclusion, only you it was not prepared for long, the time came when europe, in particular germany, france, well, britain earlier, understood that it was necessary to rely on its own capabilities.

of military-technical plans for the production of weapons, and where for many years they actually lagged behind the united states in terms of volumes and new equipment, although there are also good results in france, in germany, in denmark, in norway, in britain, and in sweden, but the volumes are not ready for today's period, so i will simply remind you that in fact the ultimatum of putin in the 21st year in december, which he sent through the minister. funeral affairs russia as a draft security agreement of some kind was sent to nato and the united states, they did not accept it, two countries, now finland and sweden, will continue to join nato, but in terms of responding to this threat, they have just woken up or are waking up , so there is one.