to deal with two or three sides of the conflict, and well, since at least 2014, we have very much revised this principle, because , let's face it, interviewing the separatists there and interviewing our military there and presenting it as two equal points of view , this is not very okay, and we have seen how russian propaganda works, and we have documentary tapes about russian propaganda, how it... works, how their journalists lie, and propagandists who call themselves journalists, and we understand that you can't put an idea in one stream, for example, mstislav chernova, which shows the shelling of the maternity hospital in mariupol, and there is some news from a russian propaganda channel, where they say that no, it is ukrainians, they are shelling their own maternity hospital, or they are not shelling it at all, or there is an azov sitting there, and that is why it is necessary. ..

to save people, well, but as we can see that in the west, well, in other countries, yes, where there is no war, this point of view still lives, and such tapes that the journalist goes to the positions, and the wagnerites, in particular, about wagnerites there is such a film, why not to listen to the point of view of the wagnerites, well , people really have their own position, let them express it to us, well, this is the story, we have to fight with it, but i will emphasize that any diplomacy, cultural diplomacy is a very difficult thing, strategic, which takes a lot of time. well, let me remind you that we are fighting , of course, here is mstislav chernov, whom i already mentioned, won a bafta, yes, so it was a betrayal, just now, now it is a victory, and i will remind you that 20 days in mariupol, his tape and the tape too his colleague, one of the brightest of ukrainian films in... in general, throughout

history, and now we see how mstislav chernov and the entire team, well, part of the team of this film receive a bafta, a bafta, let me remind you, although it is not very popular in ukraine, not as popular as the oscar, but i think we will fix it, because this is an extremely prestigious award, and the fact that a ukrainian film, as the best documentary film, received it is extremely cool, and you can see that mstislav chernov spoke, he then talked to journalists. he then reminded that another city was occupied, having avdiivka in mind, and thereby told the public or reminded the public that you have just watched a film about the occupation of mariupol, and that is not the end, the same occupations continue and on and on and on with even more small towns, well, if we talk about the tradition of films for export, let's call it that, then we have it. there are

discussions, there are still certain misunderstandings among the ukrainian film community, people who have been involved in auteur cinema or serious documentaries, they know what films are needed, or rather yes, not quite correctly formulated which films will really be interesting to the foreign audience at various film festivals, this does not mean that they sit and think, but how do we have to make this film so that it is seen abroad and accepted, but i will say that there are many. the directors and authors who, for example , filmed tv series there or shot music videos, now you see an excerpt of the film long day by allan badoev, who is a director of music videos, he himself said that he was not very interested in the war until 2022, and here, bang , he shot a documentary about the war, and here it is positioned as such, and which needs to be shown to the world so that foreigners can see it, but from my point of view it is completely new. audience only

for the ukrainian consumer, for foreigners it will be completely uninteresting, because it is filmed quite so unpretentiously, and ukrainian viewers watch it because it all hurts us, we want to rewatch it all, to remind ourselves of a completely different perception of foreigners, that is now you are watching the movie butch, it is already a game tape, which the authors also positioned from the very beginning and almost until now as the tape, which should be primarily for export, and to... remind foreigners that the war is going on, that we need to give weapons, a very good and laudable goal, but, alas, i this tape, actually , it didn’t come out, well, i think you can watch it and appreciate it, but so far , people who have seen it say that no, this tape is not suitable for various international film festivals, to say the least, and here we see that... butch's film, it didn't

premiere at high-profile a-class festivals like this one was in the authors' plans, it premiered at the festival in the vatican, and now in ukraine. who cares enough about such a dubious festival , which was organized very quickly, the state cinema , the ministry of culture organized it all, that's why the story is like this, but i want to say that here is the film "peaceful people", with which we started, it is a film by oksana karpovich, which was shown at at the berlin film festival, is obviously on the contrary exactly the kind of film that touches the foreign audience, a film that has passed... deliver our messages to a foreign audience and that really has great potential, so that now many of my acquaintances of filmmakers, who have watched this film in berlin at the berlin film festival, say that the prospects for

peaceful people are quite good, and that it can be a film with a resonance close enough to 20 days in mariupol, that is, this. .. such a hit and i understand why, because this film, i haven’t watched it , i’m looking forward to it at the box office, but i understand from various reviews and feedback that it was these intercepted conversations that contributed to such a shock effect , well, now we will actually talk to daria basel, she will probably tell us much better about the reaction to this film, the public's reaction to this film, because i read a lot of reactions from ukrainians, and especially on twitter, and a lot of reactions from russians, those russians , who were there on this film, shared their impressions, as well as those russians who came to them in the comments and began

to comment on something there too, i must say for fairness that there are many reviews of russians who say: nothing deny it, they do they say: yes, we believe that these are intercepted conversations, we listened to them ourselves, we believe that this film is not propaganda, we are very ashamed, we are very sorry, it was very painful for us to watch this film, because we understand that this is all our country does, but , as you understand, there are a lot of russians who commented in a completely different way, who fell into the stage of such absolute denial and started talking about the fact that... this is something wrong, we don't believe what it is maybe, well, the son can't talk to his mother and say that he is killing ukrainian nazis there with pleasure, or something they ate alabaya there and had an extravagant lunch or dinner, or that a child tells his father to go kill all

the bastards and return home as soon as possible, well, this can be understood, because when a person is normal, it is hard for him to believe that... that a child can one say that, or can such conversations take place between people at all, but no , we see that they can, and actually it seems to me that some people, maybe foreigners, who so much cannot believe that such dialogues can take place , they will probably need some more new ones ways to prove that it's all true , that it really can be, because, well, let's face it , it's not enough... the line of behavior, especially if we're talking about such civilized viewers who come to watch films at various film festivals, finally daria is at our communication, thank god, cheers, darya, hello, hello, i have already told you about this tape, peaceful people, which i have not seen yet, i am

really looking forward to it, because i see in po, for example, according to the reviews on the media detector , a review by dmytro dsyyatryk came out, there are some already 200,000 views, people were incredibly interested in it all, already many people are waiting for peaceful people, and i want to ask what was the reaction of people after watching the q&a, what was asked, because i read a lot about the fact that just a lot of people were , well, in incredible shock, they did not expect that such a thing could happen at all, yes, absolutely, well, on the one hand, the reaction was cool in the sense that it was warm, here at the first premiere. there were two standing ovations at the screening, and when the movie ended, there was a certain, there was a very long moment, just quiet in the hall, as an organizer, one of the organizers, i worked at this festival for a very long time, and many shows passed through me, i know what it means, that is, people

were very deeply affected, and it was very lively, very deep q&a discussion. and during this discussion, of course, there were questions, and these questions were from foreign viewers, from german viewers who could not believe what these records were. intercepted conversations of russian soldiers with their families that these are indeed real voices and real people, or they asked if it wasn't a production and if the director didn't make a recording with the actors, but oksana karpovich is a very deep person and she gave a very cool answer, that's why we are working to promote the truth and true narratives, narratives. europe, that is, really, but what kind of reaction managed to convince these people

that these are really true to the point of being intercepted, because i sometimes imagine myself in the place of british or french women, well , honestly, i don’t know if i believed it , because really, when you read these interceptions, i read them in the review what exactly were the phrases, well, it's just hard to believe, how many people really left the hall with... the idea that it was really the russian military that was so biased, well , of course, it's difficult for me to say what thoughts the audience left the hall with, here you have to to get into their heads, i think we will see it in six months, in a year or two, when the film has already traveled through europe and america, in fact , there are already a lot of invitations, the film will soon be in copenhagen, and well, i can't announce it yet of course all dates and all festivals, but the film will... travel very powerfully, and i am sure that the opinions of the audience, the opinions

of ordinary people, as well as people who are involved in certain important processes there for ukraine, they will change, because this film simply leaves everyone speechless , and the director will always travel with the film, the ukrainian team members will travel and... and we will work to dispel all these myths, so that this war ceases to be putin's war, and the world finally fully understands that this is the war of the entire russian people . and in general, what is the situation at the berlinale now, because last year there were many distributors, for example, who went specifically to the film market, they talked about the fact that a lot of russians continue to trade with russians, continue to sell... films, as far as the presence of russians at the berlinale is now

, how much they are present, how much they are listened to, and everything else, according to your observations, well, i have to say that i was very little at the film market this year, almost not, because we had two premieres , this is a film edited by roman banderchuk and oksana karpovich's film peaceful people, so, unfortunately, it wasn't very deep into the market, but... it's just that when you're at the berlinale, you constantly hear russian, so unfortunately, i don't think it's changed fundamentally, all those the very figures of russian culture, russian cinema, they are all here in the same way, that's why i don't think that in this sense there is any very strong difference from last year, i also know the position. foreign sellers and distributors, they still wonder why

what they sell is a problem for us films about russia or , as they call it, the post-soviet region, that's why it's still a work in progress, which we still have to do, endlessly, constantly explaining, explaining why it all has to change, to what extent, we have us that 's what i was talking about about this tape that was shown on a british tv channel, and we also talked about it quite a lot on social networks, about when the author went to the russian military and made a film about them, and there were two excellent reviews of this tape, as far as in general at film festivals popular opinion that you really have to listen to both sides and whether this opinion is being adjusted somehow because it used to be or is it changing. and well, at birlinalinal there is such a traditionally

politicized festival and festivals that, in principle, consciously immerse themselves in various political and social problems, and they are quite knowledgeable, and especially the forum program, which this year already takes place under the leadership of barbara wurm, all those who work in the cinema and especially in... barbara vurma is remembered and known for being one of the first to support ukraine, ukrainian filmmakers, she helped. to hold various discussions about ukraine , about ukrainian cinema and so on and so forth, she is very active, she understands everything, she supports us wholeheartedly, so basically, as long as you are in this bubble of the berlinale forum and the berlinale in general, then as if these questions do not exist, if

you go beyond this bubble, then of course all these questions are there, it always surprises everyone. why ukrainian filmmakers do not want, for example, their films to be shown alongside the films of russian opposition documentarians, filmmakers, that is, all these issues, they have not really gone anywhere, on the other hand, watching the development of relations with israeli, palestinian filmmakers, i think that we have done a very great job. as the ukrainian and our cinematographic community and the fact that, at least on the surface , it is now a mevithon to invite russians to official programs, this is a great achievement of ours, that is, in principle, there is already some official position in the film community in the world, that russians

are not officially should be in film programs, c programs of film markets and so on, and... the personal opinions of all actors, yes, of all members of this world film community, this is another matter, but officially the position is this, and this is a great achievement, because it is not all national com' unity succeeds, in fact , it was two years of such powerful work, we all remember, especially in social networks, as we constantly discussed, it is not one platform to go with the russians or not to go, all this we are very, very up to... everything was discussed about this, well, as we can see, the result is indeed certain, daria regarding films in general, which will be interesting to foreigners, because for the last two years, a little, maybe less, i hear from different different filmmakers, especially from those who shot entertainment content before,

who shot series that were not immersed in war , in the war, they have some such idea fix. as it seems to me that we want to make a film that will be interesting in the world, we want to influence the world audience, we made a film, it must be seen in the world, and i watch some of these tapes and understand that obviously, the foreign audience there at the festivals will not be interested in it, it is for the domestic audience, and that is why i want to ask you exactly how the producers, and is there a difference in general between these tapes for... export and for the domestic audience, which films are mostly watched ukrainians, and which will be interesting and - well, effective at festivals and at international screenings, is there a difference between these categories of films? well, to be honest, it seems to me that good cinema and talented cinema, it is always interesting in different markets, and it

remains so, you can take the example of mavka, which was very successful both in ukraine and abroad. we can take the example of 20 days in mariupol, which, as we now see, is a super hypersuccess, and this film was nominated by ukraine, and for the oscar, yes, and, in addition, and at the box office, it went very well here in ukraine, so i always adhere to the opinion that good cinema works everywhere, in any markets, although, of course, there are some exceptions when... very some local contexts , yes, which are incomprehensible to foreign viewers, on the other hand, here, for example, we premiered now the editorial office, there is a lot of specific humor and jokes that are immersed in our ukrainian context, and we were not sure that the german, in general, world audience would read it all, all shows are sold-out and everywhere people

laugh a lot, the audience perceives very well, everyone these jokes are understood. therefore, here is also such an example, it shows that there is a talented product, talented films, they are like that, and therefore you just have to look, it seems to me, at some specific examples, the examples that i see, they still prove that success and international and local, they are connected, as they once were in 2018, when they just announced this patriotic pitching in the ministry of culture, pitching for patriotic... films for a very long time, everyone could not understand what patriotic cinema is, define patriotic cinema, somehow got together, and the then minister of culture yevhen neschuk agreed that patriotic cinema, good cinema, well, obviously, cinema that can influence a foreign audience is also good cinema, and i have one last question for you, in general, we talked about it more recently with others

cinematographers, in general, how normal is it now from the point of view of art, and from the point of view of the production of a good film-wise, how okay is it to think about this influence, to sit there at the beginning of filming and think , well, we need to... such a topic , because it will be well received there, for example, in germany by the germans, and it will somehow convince this audience of something, or it cannot be done, because it is propaganda and it does not work, in general, if we are really talking about non-propaganda, about good movie, well, i'm here right away, it's probably such a remark that i'm from the world of auteur cinema, not non-commercial, fortunately or unfortunately, but... we always work in such a way that we, we, we don't really think at the beginning , what a certain audience needs, we rather

try to feel what worries us, feel the time and try to express all this through the means of cinema, and then, of course, already in the course of creating the film, in the course of working on it, of course, we always think about the audience too, we are on... trying to understand and calculate what the audience of this particular film is and market the film and so on and so on, all these marketing plans and strategies - all this is an integral part of the work of any producer, but the primary motive and impulse is always this effort to capture the feeling and the effort to realize who we are, who there is our people, and why is this happening to us and how to deal with all this, and i... this is such a very sincere impulse that comes from the depths of the soul, and i believe, i am sure that exactly such impulses are later found real feedback in the audience both in

ukraine and around the world, and some math formulas or custom jobs, they don't work very well in my opinion. well, yes , we know that cinema is a very unpredictable thing, a very, very risky business, and even in commercial cinema, i don't always fail... this mathematical one can also work daria, the last question is, do you know when ukrainian viewers will be able to watch peaceful people, because they already want to watch this film, they are already asking for it, but we will have to wait, i understand, yes, we will have to wait, but not very long, i am not there yet official announcements, i can't announce, unfortunately, but they will be very soon, and in fact, in a few or a couple of months, we will show the film in ukraine, we are also planning a movie ... rental with this film, but we will announce everything very soon, well, we we will also report, i really hope that you will have a good box office, because really, really this is a film that

has interested, as i see not only the audience of traditional documentaries or auteur films, but for more than a year, so i am interested to see. next, thank you very much, daria basel we were in direct contact, the producer of the film peaceful people, oksana karpovych and... the editor of the film roman bendorchuk, which were shown at the berlin film festival, and these films really caused a stir, let me remind you that peaceful people is a documentary film that shows first of all, some already everyday completely different conditions in which the ukrainians find themselves, but with such a soundtrack to this film, intercepted conversations of the russian military, i think that you do not need to be reminded that they are there... and you do not need to say as much as it could shock foreign public who did not know that such conversations could happen between people at all. well, that's all, my

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