and how in general to implement what it did with ukraine, georgia, and before, and it does not need to do anything for this, if it is only a question of whether such a decision will be made, uh, the territory of transnistria, the so -called transnistrian moldavian republic , are not controlled by the kyshen governments, so they do export something, they follow the laws of moldova, but listen, we did not have a situation when some goods were exported from the occupied territories and they too... were fully obeyed by the law of ukraine, and we the territory was not controlled, i'm sorry, maybe to continue further, but this is a different question, whether the federal assembly of the russian federation can make a decision on the creation of a subject of the federation transnistrian moldavian republic, the answer is yes, if vladimir putin wants to make such a decision, then it will be made, and there is no actual control over ... this territory

, can they carry out, well, they have internal control, well, yes, they have internal control, and there is a problem, it is exactly the same as we have, when we, say, liberate certain territories there on donetsk, on from the point of view of the russians, the luhansk region is an encroachment on their territorial integrity, we are the occupiers. we are the occupiers, and they may want to put the republic of moldova in exactly the same situation. of course, you cannot, first of all, forget about any peaceful reunification of the motherland before the presidential and parliamentary elections in moldova. now the president has the highest rating, but he has opponents and competitors, one way or another. and president kasandu always speaks from this point. a concept supported by the previous ones

moldovan presidents peaceful separation of homelands. well, i'm sorry, this and this story with the recognition of transnistria, or recognition, you can simply recognize independence, like abkhazia. there are two models here. it can be annexed, or it can be recognized as an independent state. it ends, you see, especially with annexation. what can be a peaceful reunification with the territory that is a subject of the russian federation? this is the transformation of the territory from a conflicted, yes, disputed territory, but we do not like it when they call donetsk, luhansk, zaporizhzhia and kherson regions and crimea disputed territories, but from the point of view of the real, i would say, conflict between russia and ukraine, it is so, because these are territories claimed by both states, one from the point of view of international law, the other from the point of view of violation of international law, but

it claims these territories, russia does not claim transnistria, does not claim abkhazia, south ossetia, promises to protect their sovereignty, claims crimea and donetsk, luhansk, kherson, zaporizhzhia regions, because any during negotiations , russians will always say: i'm sorry, the ukrainians are occupying our lands, this is delusion , this is schizophrenia, but this is a dispute from the point of view of... the participants in the negotiations, that is why we say that there is no other method, except force, ugh, and now transnistria, moldova is in such a situation , that the candidate for membership of the european union, and we understand that it is not possible, it is not possible, maya sandu can now meet with the president of the self-proclaimed transnistrian moldavian republic vadym krasnosilskyi and talk to him like the head of the moldavian region, which has some kind of special legal regime, but that no less, and if vadym krasnoselskyi, the governor of the transnistrian...

republic of moldova, is appointed to this position by decree of the president of the russian federation, how does the contact take place, you understand that everything changes immediately, i am again, i am not saying that it will be so, but in i have a very serious fear that they will try to activate it again on a big scale, this is where it all started, i was in teraspol in 1900-90, when the transnistrian moldavian republic was already proclaimed. met with its then head ihor smirnov, and it was obvious to me from these contacts with him and his employees that this is actually a usual story directed by moscow to destabilize the situation in moldova. in the summer of 1991, we met again, many then we all met in... the so-called head

of the foreign policy office of the pmr, valery litskaya, to moscow. you see, it's still the summer of 1991. that there is a soviet union, and transnistria already has a minister of foreign affairs, well, and this visit was connected, this must also be understood in order to understand the entire complexity of the situation, and a meeting held by smirnov and litskaya with the then chairman of the verkhovna rada of the soviet union, anatoly lukyanov. at this meeting were the heads of all these entities that were... created in order to prevent the soviet republics from leaving the ussr, it was abkhazia, it was south assetia, it was transnistria, i think that there were leaders of some other intrafronts, i won't talk about all the participants now, but

i guarantee these three leaders of transnistria, abkhazia, and south ossetia with certainty. and anatoly lukyanov said they should be ready by august 1991, ugh. there will be a restored constitutional order in the entire soviet union and an end to separatist tendencies, because from lukyanov's point of view, the separatists were not smirnov from litskaya, but the president of the republic of moldova mir chasnego, ugh, and during this meeting, which was quite lengthy , which they did in 1991, i went to anatoly lukyanov's office for a few minutes and talked to him, as usual, in general terms, who would you think is the general secretary of the central committee of the cpsu. everything is up to you history, ugh, that is, from that very moment it was a tool that was then used by russian president boris yeltsin to once again prevent this country from moving far away from russia. after the august

pucha, yeltsin sent the vice president of the russian federation, rutsky, and the advisor to the russian president, serhiy stankevich, to transnistria. and they actually gave this gang there, it was a gang that was controlled by the kgb, the ussr, guarantees of security and management of this region, and they gave them the russian army, which protected them from the legitimate authorities of the country in which they found themselves and the worst thing, khrystyna, is that ukraine has contributed to this for several decades in a row. igor smirnov was arrested here in kyiv. and instead of being extradited to chisinau , then transported back to teraspol, as you understand, under strong pressure from the russian political leadership, and in general we believed that in this way, by supporting the dialogue between chisinau and teraspol, we were influencing

moldovan politics, it was complete suicidal delusion, i've just always been dumbfounded by it, i... talked to a ukrainian politician, i told them about my trips to teraspol , about what these people told me, because they, you understand, in the late 80s, early 90s, they were all still so stupid that they told the truth, because they did not understand the essence of their political actions, and now, when they tell me that there may be some solution here, these people do not belong to themselves, ugh, what is it? a congress of deputies at all levels of the transnistrian region is about the same as convening a congress in the dnr, well, it is a military dictatorship there, there is the ministry of state security of the pmr, which knows that this is a small territory, little one, everyone knows everyone there, if you haven't left there, you are completely a hostage of all

this shit, the minister of state security of the pridnestrovian moldavian republic during the time of smirnov, antsyufeev, before becoming. there he was in charge of the omons in rysa during the soviet period and was responsible, he had the task of destroying the government of the latvian republic in august 1991, after that he moved to transnistria, he managed all this, and you know in what position his political career ended yeru, deputy chairman of the council of ministers, the minister of state security of the donetsk people's republic, for sure, well, what else, what else needs to be told about... such ears stick out from the first minute, they don't even try to change personnel, because for them it's all,

you know, like before in soviet times, they transferred people from one regional committee to another, so you will be moving from one department of the state security committee to another, so now you fought with nationalists in turkistan, in turkmenistan, and now... you will fight with nationalists in ukraine, then you will go to the voronezh region to fight with these, with dissidents, ugh, well, it’s the same, here with the latvians, here you mean deal with these moldovans, here now this is... with the ukrainians, indeed, and we, and we are watching, why am i mentioning this, that we are watching it's like some independent factor, how will they think there, maybe vadym krasnoselsky will be afraid, it's obvious that he will be afraid, he's not an idiot, he knows exactly where he is, what economic problems he has, well, such some kind of balance with the baletic one is also known, who is asking them? who is interested in them in this life? they will be sent cu, yes called a valuable instruction from the kremlin, what should

be said, because in moscow they see that they are losing it in transnistria, you understand, eh, economically it is isolated, the military there cannot be changed, if it is left to such a situation, then do not forget that if they announce such a legal decision, pseudo-legal. and that this is the transnistrian region of the russian federation, or that there is a region there that needs a corridor, so the question arises again, we need a corridor, build a corridor to the transnistrian region, here in we will now have a corridor in suwalki to the kaliningrad region, you can blackmail all your life, here we have a corridor, and now a corridor through odesa, we are needed everywhere, russia cannot be disjointed, no and... here it is again, this is an imitation

of a crazy state of such and such an exalted, aggressive mood, it is an imitation, you do not need to control transnistria, you need to show this convulsion, uh, that tomorrow you will be forced to go to odessa, not because you need odessa, you need a corridor, a corridor is needed, but... he says that and kyiv and odessa are actually ours , that is, here they are us, well, they are not encrypted in any way, well, why should they encrypt, listen, and what, why should they encrypt, ugh, they have already shown everything, listen, they were the late emperor and the former president of the central african republic , jean bedel bocas, who was famous for something, shot some kind of children's demonstration, and then ate its participants, a beautiful story, i don't know how mythological it is, but if the person already knows. eats breakfast, let's say fillet from the participants

of anti-government demonstrations, what else does she have to be afraid in this life that she still has to show people, well, what they haven't seen, yes, well, it's the same with putin and the bears, what else can they say, what else can they do, what they haven't they did, to press some nuclear button, well, they are afraid, because, everything else, well, they have already shown everything, well, listen, it was once possible. still there, even until 2022, to believe that there is something there that can stop these people, well, look at the noise, ugh, but listen, or look at the events of the last days, well , really, well, this unfortunate woman, mother navalny, we are not talking about politics at all, just an unfortunate woman who lost her son, not young, as you understand, is flying to the far north so that her son's body can be given to her. and they are just playing with her, and they are just mocking her, well, we will show you

the body, but we will not give you the body, and if you do not obey us, then we will burn this body and will not tell you where we are going, i mean, it’s frank, they’re just, we’ve always heard from some western experts there that put on shoes, it was an excess of the performer, that they just lost control over eyelashes. and that's what they lost control over, you know what, that putin gave this deputy head of the federal corrections service the rank of colonel general yesterday, well , control is not lost, and they just like it, you understand, they are sadists, we saw it in the cinema once upon a time, when people just like that they are cutting off fingers and that, well, maybe putin has an understanding that navalny should be buried quietly if... the body will be buried by the mother and in general the family members will not make it, and precisely that's why this one

vaznia, sorry, mouse, there was a place, today , allegedly, she got a body, and we don’t know how they will say goodbye to him, you want to find and fly political expediency again, yes, and i, because you see putin in place, the president of the russian federation, the head of state, and i see virtukhai, maybe i can just bring him up in... i can even imagine everything that he has in his head, just because maybe this one is yours, so this one is a freak. i'm sorry, i spoke about it like that, about me, and i'm to you now, and he's just, it's like a person who, i needed to bake, he feeds on living water, ugh, death, our death, these tears of ukrainian mothers, he likes it, and now he can see how this woman suffers,

suffers, he imagines it, he likes it, ugh, then the question arises, why can’t to talk about kyiv, about odessa, about everything,... the world, why, what keeps these people from being able to finally be frank? they encrypted themselves for how many years, well, 15 years, they walked on their hind legs, ugh, dressed cribs, unfortunate medvedev, just a poor person communicated with zuckerberg and there and steve jobs, he was given an iphone by jobs, oh my god, i don't remember , it could have been, oh my god, the president of modernization and gadgets drove to this from apple headquarters. can you imagine how disgusting it was for him to play this role? the role of a person is not a person, it ’s something on its hind legs, everything is in such

a terrible way, everything is bloody, there are some hairs sticking out everywhere, and it has to... shave, it’s like sharikov from this work by bolgakov, shave, cleanly , to look like this, to wear a beautiful suit, or to talk about the coexistence of our countries, about friendship, listen to barak, listen to that one over there, and now you don’t need it anymore, look, they ’ve all thrown off these masks, they don’t need them anymore, lavrov calls journalists morons into the microphone, ugh, you can imagine how many years he wanted this do everything he was forced in english, my friends, oh, oh, the trouble on the shoulder of some stanmayer, whom he gladly poisoned a novice, if he had the opportunity, and now there is, now you can all, you understand, and there will be nothing for it, oh came, killed, that's what it is, publicity

authorities, i'm all the time waiting for the moment when they will start... it will definitely happen, you know , quoting the famous caucasian writer fazil iskander, it's like that. baltasarov , all these naydki, ugh, it is so, and it will definitely happen again, the russians will wait for it, because they no longer need to play, ugh, in civilization, you said about transnistria,

putin, moscow, moscow, moscow is losing, i got the impression, one more country, let's say, which has certain relations with the russian federation, it is even connected with armenia several informational reasons this week, well , first of all, a50 fell on trudavai farm, armenia, it seems to be called that, and secondly, there was information from the armenian media, in particular , that president zelensky may, may go to visit both azerbaijan and and to armenia, well, for sure. the main thing is that nikol pashinyan basically declares that his country's de facto participation in the csto is suspended, although the russian piskov says that we did not receive any, well, in general, do not understand this fact, because you are not there such of ukraine in the cis from the point of view of russia, they also did not receive anything, it is nothing surprising, they

never receive anything, but the question is that the armenians have become convinced during this time, i will not analyze azerbaijan- armenian relations now. this is a difficult topic , okay, but the armenians definitely, because i analyze the armenian-russian relations, the armenians definitely convinced themselves that russia does not care about them, that russia simply perceives it as a tool, as it, by the way, at one time perceived azerbaijan, all the time it was destabilized, they tried to change the government there, and it simply does not have it it worked out, but she wanted to destroy this unfortunate azerbaijan all the time, all the time for many years in a row, and armenia thought that this meant that russia wanted to be on good terms with it, and azerbaijan meant that he was not there. cannot find a common language with russia and therefore it will destroy it, and in russia everything is absolutely the same as in armenia or in azerbaijan, for it these are just some suburbs that need to be drawn to itself, and they have shown it. and of course, there is a reaction in armenia. armenia is a country that wants to survive, any country in general the country wants to save itself. and, by the way, you already noticed that pashinyan said all this against the background

of the visit of the minister of defense of france to yerevan, exactly when he was giving an interview to french journalists, because the minister of defense of france also said, we want you to deal with people , who are really interested in your safety, and by the way, with people who do not believe that safety in armenia is safety, it is simultaneously a danger. as russia has always done, if armenia is safe, then azerbaijan is in danger, and if in safety azerbaijan, so armenia must be in danger, and by the way, if president zelensky could really visit both of these countries, i am sure that he would say there, and it would be a strong position of ukraine, that we believe that security - this is when armenia is safe, and azerbaijan is safe, this is the formula for peace in... the caucasus, so that the azerbaijani and armenian peoples, let them not be friends, i understand that they have friendly relations there for ten years, but coexist

for the sake of the safety of each from these countries and each of these peoples, because we understand, as it were this region looked beautiful, if both nations, and of course georgia, there is no doubt here, were safe, this is my dream all my life, which, which never found enough understanding from armenians and azerbaijanis when i told them, i want.. for you to be safe and for you to be safe, i don't want to listen to armenian statements that azerbaijanis are all such scoundrels, and i don't want to listen to azerbaijani statements that armenians are dignified, i don't want to discuss your historical issues with you disputes, i want to tell you that you should live in peace, and it will bring you both of your countries are successful in the international arena and from the point of view of relations with the world, because azerbaijan has a special relationship with turkey - this is capital, and ... has a special relationship with france, this is also capital. armenia can have good relations with iran, and that is capital, and azerbaijan can have good relations with israel, ironically, being

a muslim country, and that is capital. and imagine that you combined the capital of these completely, not as if, opposite possibilities of yours, how can you build an economic perspective that you can to build a general portrait of this region, politically. your economic prospects are just above the roof, and this is what zelensky's visit can symbolize, only the only thing you need from there is to ask one single great country, the russian federation, huh, because as you can see, even iran is in this region , being a country, to put it mildly, not very friendly to the west and not very friendly to stability, there he wants that somehow all this will be settled because it is in his interests, a country that has lived all its life under sanctions, is interested in , so that the country who are her collaborators. mr. vitaly, as early as april 23, the new york times published information, and actually an analyst, this also confirms that armenia and kazakhstan are helping the russian federation

to purchase and actually transport western components for armaments. a lot of water has gone since that time and we understand that the situation could have changed, but the other day this also somehow went unnoticed, putin had the opportunity to talk with tokayev. well, of course, listen, if kazakhstan and armenia are members of the collective security treaty organization and members of the eurasian economic union , by the way, it must first be said that it is absolutely obvious that the mechanisms of this economic interaction in one way or another allow the use of dual-purpose goods for russian purposes, that is why it is important to monitor this, to create mechanisms that block these sanctions, and to things, you say that putin talked with tokayev, but zelensky talked with tokayev, this is also an important thing, if the president of kazakhstan, this must also be understood, talks with the president of ukraine, do you think that a person like kasym zamar takayev, who was for many years the minister

of foreign affairs of her country, the first, i think, even after independence, he does not understand the consequences of such conversations, great, he knows exactly what he is doing, it means that he realizes that the security of his country is not in the fact that he helps russia circumvent sanctions, in the fact that he is able to balance in this story. uh, between moscow, washington, kiev, and beijing, and so we have to use this desire for balance, and the fact that he has the ability to balance, yes, on such different, i would say, levels, so that kazakhstan ceases to be a tool for russia that allows to circumvent sanctions, and of course, it is the same and... will remain

a country that can be used instrumentally to circumvent sanctions, this is a risk to the national security of this same france, which means that when one window opens, another window automatically begins to close, and this should be part of both western policy and our policy, that is why i say that it is not easy, because it is difficult for these countries in general get out of the russian field, but you see how each of these countries is making its way to democracy, huh. there can be different ways here, when the people themselves decide what kind of power they have, or the way to new geopolitical alliances, because president aliyev is certainly not the kind of person who has some kind of political competition, he has long since forgotten what that is, and by the way did not know his father still knew, but so conditionally, but he took a strong step towards a geopolitical alliance with turkey, huh, and this is what his power gave him the opportunity to do it, and president tokayev,

he with... there was a strong step towards a geopolitical union with china, president tokayev went to celebrate his 70th birthday with a sidjinping, yes , well, this is a sign, and of course, it turns out that as soon as this happens, russian influence immediately decreases, which is two possible ways to reduce russian influence are democracy and a geopolitical reversal, it can happen simultaneously, it can happen not... not simultaneously, so our task as states is to support countries that are either democratizing or performing a geopolitical reversal, that's why , to things, returning to the idea of ​​the visit of the president of ukraine, if it takes place, it will be just such a strong signal that we respect the democratic aspirations of, well, the armenian people, and we respect the choice of geopolitical turn made by

the president of the republic. each of these things from the point of view of our states should be treated with respect, we can say, oh, azerbaijan is not a democracy, so there is a problem with democracy, but if azerbaijan makes a successful geopolitical turn, it will be the way to democratization in the future, because russia can no longer influence the internal processes sooner or later, of the azerbaijani society, it should be its own choice, it will mature to the need for more transparent procedures, in which... in each country it comes at its own moment, the more a country with such experience of state building as azerbaijan, where there were democratic elections, and coups, and everything in the world, this is a complicated story, and the same with armenia, the armenian people have shown that they are ready for democracy, for respect, for their right to vote, this is what ukrainians also went through, which, by the way, later, then led us to a geopolitical reversal, so let's hope that this is

also, by the way, to some extent the conclusion. two years of war, what we are talking about is a big war, we are talking about the fact that after two years of war , the president of ukraine can expect both in baku and yerevan, this is definitely not the result that president putin was counting on when he gave his a criminal order to destroy our country. thank you, khrystyna, for this conversation. thank you very much, vitaly portnikov and khrystyna yatsykiv. the saturday political club will definitely return to you literally in a week. be with us, support the armed forces of ukraine and vir. and help win. two years of full-scale russian invasion of ukraine, what do experts predict for the third year of the great war? the jet plane does not

stop at... how vulnerable has the aviation of muscovites become and the blockade of checkpoints has gone beyond the grain issue, what does ukraine offer to unblock the border? my greetings, anaye vamelnyk is with you, and about the most important thing of the week, the espresso team will tell 730 days after the full-scale invasion, today the president of ukraine met world leaders at the destroyed airport in gostomel. it was there that russia landed a landing force with the aim of capturing kyiv, and... then the whole country in three days, and today ukrainians continue to fight for their freedom and prove to everyone: we are independent, free and proud, anyone wants the war to end, but no one will allow ukraine to end - said volodymyr zelenskyi in a speech on the occasion of the second anniversary of the full-scale invasion of russia.