this approach, so that we can have a good influence on those means of impression that the enemy has, and not only there with the reconnaissance of the adjustment of the march, but also with the impression by the kamikaze drones that we make. mr. valery, now that we are talking about the approach of the position of military developers there, how has this process been affected, or can it be affected in the future by this decision to create a new type of troops in the armed forces, which will be taken care of by drones. systems, have you already felt any impact of this process on your work, if not, what do you feel, do you have any advice for the leadership of this type of troops to really ensure some kind of more effective synergy between the developers and those who use these complexes on the battlefield? look, in fact , the entry of those people who will come to manage this direction of the armed forces into work is taking place now, because... well, some people, some people,

she was, well, in this process before, but some people are coming new, they have to understand how it works, how the purchase comes, how the assembly takes place combat units, how to make requests and so on, that is, so far it has affected only the fact that they took a break, yesterday i was there with the union... they took a break with the representatives to understand how the system that was in place yesterday works, and this has its own negative, and it has its own positive, because there is hope, we always have producers, there is hope that the new team, or shall we say, those people we knew there from the front lines, they will do it is more transparent, clearer with those means that really. hit the enemy, but because it is its own

the problem in procurement is in the volume of procurement of products that is currently produced by the state, where 70-80% of funds are spent on the purchase of fpv drones, and today it is no longer a secret, and i have always said that the efficiency of fpv drones is 30 max if a very good unit. the other 70% is a furnace, it is burning, because they are simple, they are not protected from rebs, even from trench rebs, and really due to the fact that they are cheap, they are taken in bulk, there are 500, 700 dollars, there are up to 100 dollars and they take praise, but when to see the effectiveness, then you need to move on to other, other stages, you need to make bombers. it is necessary to do with the expensive

system of proof, anti-reb , security, well, what did we concentrate on , we, i personally was the first to show the previous commander-in-chief , the diligent, i was the first to show the drone, he saw it first and we showed this impression with our team, he was then in excited and says: listen, give me a whole section, we are now behind... we are hitting some section of the front there, i say, we cannot give, we we are just starting to use it, no one has used it yet , it is not certified, there are no pilots, and then it, we wrote the concept, gave it, gave it to the commander-in-chief, and then this development went in waves, yes, but these are cheap drones, their time is passing , that's why i've been talking about it for a long time, because i'm saying it again, we need... developments that counteract

the drone, that can lead to the target without the use of a person, that can already say fully that these are military drones. then the question arises, whether there are such samples, which meet the criteria that you said that it is not a cheap drone, not very effective or not very effective, compared to more reliable, really, let's say, models that are guaranteed to get the job done in the field. battle with less load on the operator, what do you do, if you can say so in general in this direction and are there any samples that really meet these requirements? i can say that what we are doing, apparently, that the teams are also seriously engaged in this, to make a conventional combat mavic that can fly on a mission, use hangs, resets, go back, again we complete his bch and work. what's on

the front line, what's behind the front line, what's far for special special operations in the rear, the enemy's rear, we deal with it, we deal with it with special forces. businesses that understand the value of this particular complex is the osa complex, which, of course , is more expensive, but there are special targeting systems, there are systems that work under rebo, systems that work with other, let's say, forms of communication, so , which hover, which fly on a mission, are a different type drone, and this and... another story of bombers , which should be effectively developed, it is not being developed to date, everyone rushed to buy drones, everyone collects them with screwdrivers there, the best man came to my place yesterday from nizhena, there they collect girls sitting in the it

is collected in various organizations, in schools, it is all interesting. this is all cool, it should be done, but it is necessary to move or develop the military system in a different direction in parallel, on a different and different basis, uh, well, here it is somewhere like that, well, that is, in fact, when minister fedro says that it is necessary standardization of drones, in fact these are processes that rather affect today and a little in the past, yes, because relatively speaking, we are already standardizing... this flow of cheap drones, and the other component is to raise the bar of requirements and here for sure the minister of defense there

, with the new commander of the armed forces, should raise the bar of requirements for manufacturers, who should step up and really provide those models that will be much more effective than the whole bunch of cheap drones that are now, well, we are trying to provide at the expense of any options, so it works out, yes it works out. it is even more difficult, because now, in fact, with combat drones , the ministry of defense is taking over more and more contracting powers, which means the general staff, which gives requests, but there is another problem, that it is not clear where the decision-making point is about which companies to contract, to whom it is understood, not all, even new ones. to the new agency that procures from the procurement of the ministry of defense, to the new team, also sometimes they are surprised that requests come in, for example, from the general staff, it is from the previous , probably from the previous iteration, maybe even now, but for now they are working out

the previous iteration of contracts, where the companies do not know at all, sometimes it even happens that the company receives a request for... with the company on a drone that has not even passed certification, which does not have access to the operation of the nato code. and in an emergency order, these issues are solved for him. let me remind you of our conversations that we spent three to four months just for access to the operation of all these documents, which there used to be, now they have been changed, to create an experimental unit there, which is on the front line. half a year ago it was access to operation, and some companies are allowed to receive these accesses to operation, conditionally speaking, by a long way, and some companies that do not even have a certificate, for some reason there are requests for

their contracting, this is not at all well does not fit in the head, and it must be changed by new teams. so actually now, as i understand it, we partly have the inertia of the past there, and your company just fell under this inertia of the past, where you were simply exhausted by unnecessary procedures , instead of ensuring procurement, now the situation has changed a little, but we see that the newly created agency is still working out the rules, and in particular, the more powerful of the companies of the structures that have money, in particular, state special communications, they tell me that within two. months, actually the contracts through the ministry of communications have not been signed with the vast majority of suppliers, although about 40 billion hryvnias, actually, these are the ministry of digital and state communications, they are certain monopolists in terms of volume for

the purchase of these drones, the question arises for you, do you have contracts with the state intelligence service , or again, the lion's share is volunteer funds and partly the ministry of defense? there is not now, and exactly what you said is happening, that is, we have provided all the information to the state special forces, the head of the state special forces, we know him, a good, decent guy, yura. he called me there last weekend or the day before last, how is it with your father that we show, they are ready ready to contract but i don't know why we do not contract, there is a request for the one who will provide supplies for the national guard this year, we already closed the contract for the national guard last year, you can ask those who came to us, whom we trained pilots and so on, their impressions, they are very are satisfied complex, so, uh, and now , well, we are already ready to contract in full, we

, unfortunately, withdraw investor funds, volunteer funds for our own money, we are currently doing 500 debts there, we will have it for, well, in a week, that is, we can already contract and supply from 200 to a thousand boards depending on the configuration per month, and we are ready to do it and... ready to contract with the state special forces, why there is no contract now, i still don't understand, all the data has been provided by the ministry of defense , a new team and the general staff have arrived there, there the ministry of defense, for example, has its own procedure there, so, but there i say again what i said there in response to the previous ones, your questions about the fact that the new team understands the procedure. how she will do, i will say, as i see it, and it coincides with some theses, as well as mykhailo

fedorov said there, and now volodya kupriy, the new head of the uav management, wants to make it there, that is, they should actually give technical tasks, that is, the parameters that the drones should meet, not specifically specify the company, remove this corrupt component. yes, what someone did there, somehow there, was able to enter into this relationship, the contract, no, technical parameters, the agency must evaluate and look at the criteria that correspond to these parameters, price parameters, technical parameters and contract with specific by companies, then this separation goes to the responsibility for decision-making, and the report... that the units must already define their, let's say, vision from the front line, and this

is permanent, and there must be such a connection between these three three components, without this there will be a permanent some kind of lobbying of those companies, which , for example, now, even after last year and or this year, there is a part of the companies that ordered. general staff, they either cannot fulfill or do not want to contract with the state, because it is more problematic with the state than with volunteers, i.e. such issues already arise that are determined for them, and they cannot fulfill it, and the procedure is again carried out in a new way, and at the same time everything is delayed, and this is because of these procedural points that are not settled, or somewhere someone did not sign, delayed , for example, derspetszvyazok according to my data , there, according to the sbu, there, according to the ministry of defense, there, or according to guru

, they signed up, for example, according to the national guard, for some reason they bypass them, they haven’t signed up yet , maybe i’m not right, this is what the people involved in contracting with the state special service are saying that's why you know when it's there companies that can't do it yet or can't do it in such options, but they have an order and they can't do it. dear, but there are companies like ours, i know, there are many of them, with kaeton oso, where we will meet on the weekend, they, for example, are contracted for 15% of their production capacity, and they are the most, let's say, more contracted , the air reconnaissance spoke with vadym yunik, he says that i am about 5% contracted for this year, why is there such a delay, it is already almost march, this is, well, this is a problem, so it is necessary to hurry... to contract such companies that are ready, we have our drones standing on staples, ready,

and that can, how can we deliver now, well , we actually see that it is already the second month of this 24th year, and we are again walking on that rake, which are still left over from the previous year, that is, there are no orders, and what is interesting, first of all, the companies that have serial used products, they have fewer orders than these start-up companies that have appeared. last year in large numbers, some absolutely illogical situation, and one more technical question plan, we literally have two minutes, or pra... it is true that there is already a problem that many of these different fpv drones create a problem of lack of frequency resource, when, relatively speaking, a certain amount is supplied, and there is simply not enough bandwidth to effectively to ensure the fulfillment of combat missions by these fpv drones, is there such a problem, or is it still far-fetched? no,

it is not far-fetched, that is why i said above that we are also moving... to other frequency ranges, changing the frequency in we just had a conversation with valery borovyk, now let's continue, we seem to have a connection, yes , yes, yes, yes, yes, it stopped for me, i just got a call from the reb, so , in fact, it's me, it's a problem, and really because of the use such... chaotic, sometimes uncoordinated, that means the activities of the rebbe , in which several units volunteered somewhere in bukovel or nota, which means that not all of them, not all of them, do not systematically include it, they only protect themselves, but at the same time drones of other units are falling, i, for example, how many weeks ago or a week and

a half ago i was there with a magyar, we met on kherson oblast, kherson oblast has no less horror ... what with the shelling, what happened in bakhmut avdiivtka, it is clear that there was a head-on collision, but kherson oblast is also being hit hard, the same story as it was there four months ago , when we went to strikes, when the tile was blown up, yes, that is, there is no coordination as constant as the means of the reb, and sometimes, and sometimes from the unit. and pilots who launch drones, it is composed, that is, where, for example, unconscious units and unconscious leaders, then they hold a plot, there, for example, as in the kherson region in marines, magyar is holding there, there, in another , the square is holding there and so on, that is, where there are conscious people who coordinate and were able

to coordinate, then the work is more or less clear there, including in... in drone launches and in rebov complexes in the work of rebov complexes in synchronization, and where, relatively speaking, there is no such coordination, there are constant losses, losses of their own drones that do not fly, which means that they are paid off by their lots, as well as this problem with the pure range , of course, that's why that there is no complete set now, and this is already... well , there must be another type of production that will ensure work on other, other frequency ranges, in this regard we are also working with western partners, we are working, and i know that ours are also working colleagues, well, everyone , see you, mr. valery, thank you very much for such important comments, i think we will spread them

through defense express, because, well, the lack of a contracting kit is, well, in my opinion, it is significant. on the problem of the current stage in fact. thank you for joining our broadcast. let me remind you that it was valery borovyk, the commander of the white eagle special unit of strike drones. and then we will talk about the fact that the confrontation with the enemy takes place not only in the air, but also in cyberspace, there are also many complexities, many nuances that only specialists can explain to us, but we will talk about this in more detail after the advertising information block . there are discounts on paracytamoldarnitsa 10% in psyllium bam and oskad pharmacies. there are discounts on bronchalik 10% in psyllanic bam and oskad pharmacies. there are discounts on steamed rice 20% in psyllium pam and oskad pharmacies

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combating cybercrime, the founder of the emergency response center in the state intelligence service, and now an expert in the field of cyber security. mr. konstantin, glad to see and welcome you to the espresso channel. congratulations. i would still like to continue this topic. connected with kyivstar, because this attack took place there at the end of last year, then all over the world of the countries of kyivstar subscribers, communication also disappeared, users could not join operators, and so on. it was later reported that this attack was behind a hacker group that is a full-time unit of russian military intelligence, but after each such attack, conclusions are drawn from both. parties, i would like to ask you what conclusions have been drawn, whether our public and private companies should have drawn, whether they have drawn such conclusions, whether we can

expect a repetition of such attacks and what are such unmasking signs of the enemy's preparations to such powerful cyber measures against our country? well, you can detect the signs of such attacks only if you have built them. a serious cyber security system that constantly monitors everything, studies, checks for vulnerabilities and so on, but even in the presence of such a team you may not notice it, as was the case, for example, in the case of kyivstar, where there is a really serious professional team, but again, it is unknown what actually happened, whether it was inside the network or higher up at the level of some company management or former shareholders they placed their people, it is not known, that... that no one shares and so on, but - the signs, er, well, again, this is an unstable working system, it seems, when everything is in order, but -

you cannot some functions perform, well, what a suspicious activity, well, again, without a system of detectors, sensors, without a system for detecting intrusions, it is practically impossible to do it without special tools, regarding the conclusions. which should have been done, well actually, look, in june 2017 ukraine was attacked by not petya, and it was the attack is simply orders of magnitude larger, both in terms of impacts, and well, in terms of impact and results, in terms of financial consequences, than the attack on only one mobile operator, which, in principle, began to restore services in a day and a half, but the main... conclusions are few b to make many different companies, state and non-state organizations even after, as early as the summer of 2017, and mostly it concerns...

state institutions, which supposedly should take care of national cyber security, more precisely, the construction of a national cyber security system, which obviously was not done, therefore, everything remains as it was then, and before that there were powerful attacks, and prikarpattia-oblenerga, we had just such cyberattacks, which the whole world flocked to, well, to make sure that this is really the case, that this is not theoretical, but practical cases, and studied them, and not once, not twice, not three, not five. there were such cases, although there were precedents there with kyivstar, so, unfortunately, we currently do not have such a system of national cyber security, but we have many different cyber structures that seem to control something, something there manage it, they take crazy millions for it from the state budget and from western partners,

in fact, well, it doesn't work yet, although in principle everyone has long known how to build such a system, but here you have to give up nepotism and brother-in-laws , appointed to positions, be guided by professionalism, open competitions, transparent procedures and be guided by professionalism, especially if we are talking about such a purely high-tech industry as cyber security, here you know, you need to be a specialist, first of all, as i understand your answer , to summarize briefly, when we say that the military did not build fortifications, where are the fortifications, where are these concrete structures, then as i understand that even in the digital space, such fortifications have not yet been built, if to put it briefly, well, if it is greatly simplified, then yes, because we have, well, each organization is a separate network, roughly speaking, this is a combination of exchange. about incidents it

is with those fortifications, i.e. built it can be this exchange of information only on mutual trust, but if the key participants in this system of exchange are not professionals and cannot be trusted, then accordingly they will not be trusted, and they will not be sharing essential, such sensitive data either, and this is very, if very simplified, that is the root of the problem . and how do you assess our actions against the enemy in the field of cyber security, because there were at least two reports, the main intelligence agency there, it seems a month ago, said that they had carried out an attack on the tax system of the russian federation there, it was message gur. to be honest, i did not find a suitable reaction in russian sources, then, because there was information that due to cyber operations it was possible to obtain a significant

amount of... documentation there on military equipment from a russian military enterprise, according to your estimates, we are operating on the territory of the enemy in the cyber sphere, do we have success, or do we need to create some more improved mechanisms for influencing the enemy. and look, well, this cyber war is offensive, and offensive security, as it is called, that is, offensive security, cyber security, and it has been going on for a very long time and... i consider the cyber war there to be the beginning of it in may 2014 and its intensity is more or less actually, but it continues constantly, every day, few people notice it, from our side, well there are strengths and weaknesses of both us and the russians, and we have volunteerism, this is a multitude of different decentralized organizations, teams,

or rather, not organizations, rather, but teams of volunteers or semi-volunteers or in some state, practically every force structure has some kind of unit for offensive cyber operations, but the problem here is that decentralization is good, because there is no single center, but the fact that there is no single center is also a complexity, because the single center is designed to coordinate efforts, that is, it is necessary to somehow combine... this model, and we need to combine decentralization with clear coordination, because very often there are cases when some groups interfere with the work of other groups, hit other people's goals, well, uncoordinated, the effect is not what it should be, and each of these groups offensive, she has...