let's isolate from it specific parts about conscripts, about base military training, about postponement, and so on , and so look at what is happening now, you also singled out conscripts and already adopted the law, so the law was on one page, the law was adopted in two days, well, there are mine, thank god, some of my suggestions regarding the postponement were taken into account, but in principle the law was adopted in two days, maybe that ’s what should have been done, introduce 10. different laws, all of which are understandable, uncomplicated, and adopt them long ago in january, instead of they arranged this whole movie, submitted one law of 72 pages, withdrew a new law of 72 pages, it’s all the deputies, the president says, well, it doesn’t look good, it’s not how they are presented to society, yes, it’s a difficult thing, yes, it’s an unpleasant thing, mobilization in general - this is some kind of coercion, there is nothing so pleasant here, because those who wanted to go fight voluntarily, they have already done so. it's unpleasant for everyone else, well

, well, let's just pretend that everyone here is of no use, well, and further, well , i don't understand such an approach, all the more so i think, well, it's just not fair, i don't feel that way about such things, when the government submitted the first bill, i submitted an alternative one, when the government withdrew it, submitted the second one, i submitted an alternative one, that is, i constantly did not just criticize, i proposed something else, well, some things, how about the postponement according to the timelines. for the disabled, some positions from my alternative were taken into account, other positions have not yet been taken into account, and this is wrong, the most important thing for me in it is the term of service, which is now simply offered there deception, 36 months, then the decision on the rate, which is unknown when it will be, that is, this unknown decision on the rate must be cleaned up, well, i can talk about it for a long time, but the approach itself, i am not here for anything, that is there, let the deputies figure it out, there was more one question is similar, the president was asked about fortifications, this is great. an important

question, how, if you recall my answer to your first question, i said, in my opinion, today the construction of fortifications is generally the most important task in the state, simply the most important, and the president was asked about this, he says, is headed by the minister of defense, let them go there, look, well, that is , fortifications are headed by the minister of defense, mobilization is deputies, and what about the president? yes, there are a lot of questions, i think that in the pashynskyi case they will definitely not be asked in... the supreme council why this happened, but today the higher anti-corruption court, well, took former people's deputy of ukraine serhiy pashynskyi into custody for 60 days, an alternative a 272 million hryvnia bail was set for him, pashinsky, head of the defense industry association, in the case of with which he was put in a pre-trial detention center, ten years ago, and the question arises quite logically, why so, if someone ... investigated this

case, why did he investigate it so carelessly that it took as many as 10 years to ask serhiy pashynsky about this case, and on the other hand, a person who is engaged in the defense industry during the war and heads the association of the defense industry and is involved in the importation of weapons into the territory of ukraine, why did he end up in butsiharna, do you have your own version? look, i want to be honest with you, i understand that people in us now yes, the main one is like that, let him be there... they will be imprisoned there and all the scoundrels there and so on , serhii pashinsky is a difficult person, but i know him personally, i respect him, and i do not know the details of this case, but what do i know, for a year before the invasion, i spoke with sergei pashinsky , and he told me: the russians can leave belarus for kyiv, we are not made by the stugny, we do not make corsairs who will save us, what will we use to burn russian armored vehicles, these were his words, honestly.. i'll tell you, it was

even before we were americans began to inform the whole world that the russians were planning to attack and so on. i will tell you that then, after talking with him, i honestly thought that, well, all people are different, i think, well, a little bit, it is somehow too much, despite the fact that, as you know, i always considered myself a hawk, when zelenskyi was building roads there and spoke in the verkhovna rada and said that later russian tanks will drive on these roads if you build roads and not build the ukrainian army, but even i , listening to pashynskyi, was surprised at that time, but i'm sorry, he was right, and i know how pashynskyi made personal efforts to save these stocks of tjugna, which were, i know how pashynskyi armed ukrainian units in february, march 22, which stopped the enemy on the way to kyiv, i know about pashynskyi, well, once again, he is a difficult person with a difficult... i don't know all the details about him, but

the fact that this person contributed to the defense capability of ukraine in the positive sense of the word, and what with his efforts certain samples of weapons appeared. and these samples of weapons were manufactured and they were in the right moment, at the right time, in the right place, it is his, here is his merit, and well, for me it is important, so i understand, it is necessary, everyone should be responsible for their actions, well, but at the moment when ukraine obviously has a big the problem is with the military-industrial complex, and pashinsky is one of the biggest specialists in this matter, in my opinion he could do better. to serve the country than being in prison, well, but i understand the court, everything is there, well, but i should have told you my honest opinion about him and about that, about his activities, which i know, well, yes, well, that is, i

understand that it can be about some , let's say, some competitive or anti-competitive, absolutely, it can be both competitive and anti-competitive and let's not... what i would in the place of the russian federation , i would very much like people like pashinsky to be excluded from the life of the country, well, for sure, they would very much like it, can they plan some kind of provocation, well, theoretically they can, i do not claim that this is so, i i don't have enough evidence, facts about this, but i repeat what you know, we are very good throw something at everyone there and tell everyone that everyone is bad, unfortunately, i know very few people in the country who have done something concrete, i'm sorry, our president talked about barbecues, get ready for barbecues, and nothing will happen, and this is an attack on our nerves, this is his address from a month before the invasion that no one is attacking ukraine, but our nerves are being attacked, and well, i am not talking about that, we have

a president, he is the commander-in-chief, by the way, i want to emphasize no there are no questions about his legitimacy, this is also a russian operation, questioning the legitimacy of the president, he is the legitimate president, he is our supreme commander. and so on, but we all remember his actions and words, and if there were more people like pashinsky, who really tried to prepare the country for war, then i would tell you that maybe you and i would were in other situations, and some ukrainian cities would not have been destroyed, and some ukrainian cities would not have been occupied, that's what i want to say. thank you, mr. oleksiy, this was oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine and president of the parie committee on migration and refugees. friends, we are working live on tv. during the entire broadcast, we ask you the following: do you believe that this year will be a turning point for ukraine. yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, vote either yes or no, write your comment under this video, and if you watch us on tv,

pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you believe that this year will be turning point for ukraine in favor of ukraine 0800 211 381 nina. 800 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free, call at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we have roman kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the verkhovna rada committee on national security, defense and intelligence, colonel of the security service of ukraine. mr. colonel, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening. so we are asking our tv viewers whether this year will be a turning point for the benefit of... the country, because yesterday both the state leadership and the first president zelenskyi spoke about the fact that the year 24 will not be easy, but it can be turning point for ukraine. do you think this year will be a turning point for ukraine in favor of ukraine? well, this is a question that

cannot be answered just like that, it all depends on how events will develop in the future, and what is, once again, a turning point. the fact that we will begin to return our territories, and, but for this we need to understand what kind of water we have, so to speak, now at the stage when we have not yet been given - aid there in the united states, and when we do not see how much weapons will be provided to us when we have real problems with munitions, when russia has air superiority, at this stage, at this stage , it is difficult to say about it, to assert that it will be exactly so. if there are any other ships, if we see that help is coming to us and we will be more equipped with both equipment and ammunition, and our partners will help us, then we will be able to say something concrete, now it is difficult to say something at this stage, but the fact that we will stand, fight

and this year will be no worse than last year is a fact, and i consider last year successful in terms of that we... stood, we inflicted great losses on the russian federation, and they lost a great deal of their military potential. yesterday, answering questions from journalists. zelenskyi, mr. colonel, said that, i quote: our counteroffensive actions last fall were on the kremlin's table before the counteroffensive actions began. what does that mean, colonel, it means that at the highest level, and that's three or four people, well , at least that's what they said last year, three or four people who knew about the counteroffensive plan, or just, well, how if it is true, then someone should be responsible for it, if the president... said, simply, well, no, without relying on any facts, well, he must explain his position, so i

was given a hard time, and you said last fall , and i was also told this quote, i didn’t hear it, i just didn’t watch his speech verbatim, i had to go out there, deal with military affairs, you can show it right now on the air, you listen again, i will ask the editor to show it, because because this is a very important moment, now... we will listen to president zelensky about what he spoke about the next offensive and what happened last year, please, not everything is going according to plan, not everything depends on us, some things depend on us, some things depend on partners, that is why certain processes are delayed , the main thing is to have a plan, and this plan exists, i will not be able to tell you the details of this plan, i will explain to you, to be honest, between us... saying, the fewer people know the plans of the ukrainian army,

the faster the victory and unexpected result for the russians , and i will tell you frankly: our counteroffensive actions last fall year were on the kremlin's steel before the counteroffensive actions began, period, everything is very clear, well, look, well, first of all, he probably made a mistake, our... actions were in the fall of last year, and the counteroffensive did not start in the fall, he says, that in the fall were already known to the kremlin , the counteroffensive began earlier, maybe he meant in the spring, last year, well, it’s not, i think that he made a mistake anyway, because the counteroffensive began earlier, so if they really know that the plan was with ours... and since even danilo himself, i remember, said a maximum of five people knew about the plan

about him, then our counterintelligence should work here, and if there really was a plan, and the counterintelligence still does not know who did it, then there are questions for our counterintelligence, because there are polygraphs, let's say it this way, there are forms and methods that allow us to detect this, and i think that this should be one of the priority tasks now for the security service. to find the person who handed over this plan to the russians, and this is quite a serious task, when we remember that recently there were many people there, several people's deputies talked about the fact that we need a plan, we don't have a plan, show us the plan, here the president says that if he knows a lot, then he ends up with the russians, then the question is that the counterintelligence should deal with those, everyone, all those... who were involved in this plan and found people who were involved in

the transfer of this plan, he simply could not appear in the russian federation by himself, which means that somewhere someone transferred it or did not meet the requirements for the transfer of secret information, and there from the phone or from some computer he could get to the russian federation, but if he, if he goes there got caught, well, you understand, it’s not just that we haven’t... when we talk about it so simply, well , it’s either high treason on the part of the top leadership of the state, or such carelessness during the war, if it hasn’t been investigated until now, then we we cannot be sure that the next plan that will be, it will not be handed over to the russian federation, and this is the life of our people, it is quite serious, by the way, about the lives of our people, about the losses in the war, zelenskyi also spoke yesterday during press conference for the first time. the price is a public figure of 31,000 losses of the ukrainian army. let's listen to what

zelensky said. 31 thousand ukrainians died, soldiers died in this war. not 300,000, not 150,000 that putin lies behind his lying circle, but nevertheless, each of these losses... these are big losses for us. russians, 180 thousand of them died. of the total number of dead and wounded in russia, 180 deaths, i do not know how many are missing, and i know that up to 500 wounded, immediately after these figures were announced yesterday by president zelensky,

there were a lot of comments in social networks about that the number is underestimated, they say. much more, but you, as a person who fights and a person who deals with national security and defense, do you say, that is, in this situation we still have to rely on the official source, the official source is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, during the war, any other interpretations, any other naming of numbers, whether it is appropriate and whether there is any basis for discussion at all. regarding ukraine's losses? well, the number, well, let's say so, that's right, this number is one that we knew there, including for a long time, but not they never called her, because they understood that she was there for us, let's say, we were told about her in such

a place where it was not possible, the president already said about it, and we, well, it has already ceased to be that, so... that's why we have the fact is, we see how many of our heroes died during the full-scale invasion directly , how many victims the president did not name, and what can i say, i myself spoke about the fact that the figure should be named, because indeed many people approached me and said about 300 thousand , about 500, about and people are also afraid to mobilize, including talking about well, if they say 500... it means that 500 of those who came before us have already died somewhere, and now we see that we have a million-strong army of security and defense forces that has been fighting for two years, and we, thanks to our commanders , have such, well, thanks to our commanders, thanks to the fact that we have ammunition, thanks to

the introduction of hostilities, well, in fact, we have less losses than everyone thought. this is also an achievement, although i will repeat once again, each and every one of our lives is lost - this is a great loss for ukraine, and we must understand now, when even we are talking about the next mobilization, those who are boys and girls will go to the army now, they should understand that these losses, this 31,000 we had, when the enemy at the beginning outnumbered us in everything, in forces, in means, in artillery, when during the day the enemy spent up to 60,000 shells, and now... sometimes he spends six, seven, sometimes 10, maybe up to 15, there he spends in such important directions for himself, because he also does not have any, when now we have have already been built, the defense has been built, and it is necessary to build it better, of course, but already when we have trained personnel, when personnel have combat experience, when we

already have a drone war and people are distancing themselves from the front line. when our partners hand over weapons to us, and now ours , with the help of all these factors, we need to do everything possible so that our losses are even more minimal than what we see at times, this is the task of our commanders, everyone else must see that in the background of our million-strong army, against the background of what kind of enemy is coming at us, we are quite successfully resisting from a military point of view point of view, colonel, new york... has published a large article that for the past 10 years, over 10 years, the united states of america has maintained a secret intelligence partnership with ukraine, which is now critical to both countries in countering russia, by in the past 8 years, the cia has built 12 spy bases along the russian border, the publication notes that the cia

also helped train ukrainian spies who operated in russia throughout europe. and in other places, i will quote what the publication wrote: now these intelligence agencies networks are more important than ever as russia has gone on the offensive and ukraine has become increasingly dependent on sabotage and long-range missile strikes that require spies far behind enemy lines, and are increasingly at risk if congressional republicans cut off military funding for kyiv's cia, may have to reduce its activities, but such a publication appeared in the new york times, and literally... yesterday there was information that the director of the cia was on a secret visit to ukraine, and, well, what was it about, this already me, i think that no one about it. i don't know, other than those who have met him, uh, you, here, how do you feel about the publication of information like this, as far as revealing our maps on intelligence

cooperation with the cia, is it self-evident, or what is the new york times writing for? well, you remember that recently, probably a few months ago, the washington post also wrote something similar about the cooperation of our special services with the united states special services. including, er, and indeed we had constant cooperation, i myself even before i was elected a people's deputy, er, in some such directions also took part, and i will say that our partners helped us with training, and support, and intelligence information, and studied themselves, because we directly participated in hostilities, and we were in the war, they were observers in this factor , so of course... they shared their experience with us and took our experience, so why is the new york times writing this, well, i think

there is some kind of, well let's say this, they also need permission, there is some kind of permission for that in including, sometimes, to highlight this work and it is possible to show someone that there is information , work - it is precisely to show that there is a partnership and support from our partners, it is also sometimes quite important to show the special services, including the russian federation, in order to act more confidently. well, in order for the congress of the united states of america to finally open funding for ukraine, it is very important, i think that it is probably also part of this big package, 61 billion dollars, and therefore the question here is probably about the future, but about the future today. said olaf scholz, chancellor of the federal republic of germany, he again spoke out against the silent transfer of german taurus cruise missiles to ukraine. we

should in no way be associated with the goals achieved by this system, it is meant that we should not give the ukrainians taurus so that they beat on the territory of the russian state. i am surprised that some people do not think at all about whether what we are doing can in some sense lead to participation in the war, although the prime minister. polish minister donald tusk said that the country could become the next victim of russian aggression if nato will not increase its defense capabilities in the coming months. let's hear what tusk said. we must not in the coming years, but in the coming months, acquire a defense capability, including the production of ammunition and all types of weapons, which will surpass russian capabilities. otherwise, the west will become the next victim of russian aggression. and will not be able to help ukraine or himself. there is no reason why countries as wealthy as western countries such as nato cannot be able to collectively build

a defense capability that surpasses russia's opportunities well , donald tusk says the right words about what prevents them from investing in ukraine at all, in ukraine's defense capability and giving ukraine the opportunity first. to stand, and secondly, to prevent the russian federation from passing to their borders, what is the obstacle in your opinion? you know, yes, there are two kinds of feeling, at the same time donald tusk says the right things, at the same time our grain is scattered on the territory of poland, and here , of course, uh, all these feelings , and the conversations that he has, they are broken, and what we see is real, what is happening. on our common border, i believe that a country like poland could solve this issue, understanding what is happening in our country and understanding that if ukraine fell,

there were already historical moments in poland when it was shown that means when russia is on the borders of poland, it was rarely there, mostly then poland became part of the russian federation, or came under its influence, and they have to be taught that history, and those who do what they do, they. .. it is necessary to understand for what benefit they act, it is obvious, therefore, of course, as far as germany is concerned, you know, sometimes i can't explain to myself why they do that, maybe, you know, someone there said that maybe these missiles don't go anywhere at all, and it's just a myth that's been built, and they are afraid to hand them over there , i sometimes even start to believe in such and such, because there are many discussions, when the war is close, they see that the russians are capturing our territories, our cities from the surface of the earth , avdiyivka, bakhmut, and now they are trying to go further, when there is a threat there in other directions, they say that the main thing is not

to provoke the russian federation. everything has already been provoked, the war is already underway, and it is a matter of time when it will reach you, or when you will be dictated by the conditions that you have to take such and such gas there, take oil there, pay how much, how much you have there, let's say with us to cooperate in such and such areas, and this is the whole question of whether ukraine loses, it will go further, so honestly, despite the fact that germany has done a lot and continues to do a lot. but we understand that russia is raising the stakes, and we remain on the same lines, and speaking about the fact that yes, they really help us, but we can already see that there is a coalition of tanks, i have already talked about this several times, we got german leopards there, because only germany is in europe, well, not only germany, yes, only germany in large quantities in europe they make tanks, because there is still britain and france, but they are not in large quantities, but we got 50 of these tanks for our counterattack, where for god's

sake there were 4,000 tanks, we got 50, but they shouted about this coalition, we still haven't received the planes, missiles from germany as well, etc this is important now, the situation on the battlefield is tactically structured in such a way that it depends on the bodies that need to be hit, unfortunately, we do not have such opportunities, germany does not give it, and this can lead to such historical consequences, when germany , europe may fall into dependence. because of their cowardice, cowardice, let's hope that or short-sighted politics, i just don't know how to call it, that they will change their position like this, because literally today emmanuel macron is meeting with partners, including ours for that , to change the situation, to strengthen the ukrainian armed forces, such statements are already made when you are sure of your position, categorically made a statement and it is bad, it is good that the british are there , it is good that the french are there, we hope for the americans, but

they claim leadership in europe. and the germans, and they should historically show their leadership, not hide. thank you, thank you, mr. colonel, it was roman kostenko, a colonel of the security service of ukraine, a people's deputy of ukraine. friends, we work live on the tv channel, also on ours platforms on youtube and facebook. please support this video, like it, and vote in our poll, today we ask you: do you believe that this year will be a turning point for ukraine? yes no. if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone and vote 0800 211 381, if you believe that this year will be a turning point for ukraine, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote, and so on we are in touch with yevhen magda, executive director of the institute of world politics, mr. yevhen, i i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, congratulations, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes. yesterday, we

witnessed such a large information field, which was created by the office of the president of ukraine in order to explain what ukraine is going to do in the 24th year, how it is going to do it all, what do you think zelenskyi's team wanted to say to ukrainians and the world in the day of the second anniversary of the beginning of the great war of russia against ukraine, what happened? you know, it's probably hard to criticize when you have nothing to do with preparation materials and no, you cannot offer an alternative point of view, although before this conversation, i think i said, including on espresso, that i would like our citizens to hear the harsh truth, the harsh truth.

the truth came out in the figure of 31,000 dead of our servicemen, well, not only military personnel, but members of the defense forces of ukraine, i have no moral right to deny it , to discuss it in any way, but let's say that this figure is not gone. may be perceived absolutely unambiguously by everyone, but not me i completely understood whether it was, well, i didn't miss the presence of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces oleksandr syrskyi during this press conference, right? that is, there was a minister of defense and there was a head of the main intelligence department, there was.