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to accumulate the necessary amount in the account and support the 141 brigade in the orichiv direction. well, we are adding to the conversation the chairman of the board of the institute of world politics , viktor shlinchak, in connection with our studio. mr. viktor, congratulations, glory to ukraine. congratulations, colleagues. mr. victor, everyone is there discuss the extent to which the initiatives announced by macron, the president of france, are true. we paid attention to one. a person who came in a bad mood, very disappointed, he said so, to our fellow journalists, fiytso, robert fiytso says, very disappointed, no one talked about peace, everyone talked about supporting ukraine in the war, no one said how to pacify ukraine , on the eve of this visit, fitso had awarded so many expressions that if this were a simple person without immunity, then he... would have

would sit and be detained on the day when he said all this. in a word, what should fico do with all this, because his statements are even more aggressive than orbana's? well, i think that fico is now trying to negotiate for himself precisely this status of the best negotiator on the part of the russian federation within the european union. actually, when orbán was facing a lot of internal problems, you saw the rallies that are taking place in hungary, and how hungarian society is now reacting to the economic downturn, respectively orbán somehow became less concerned about ukraine, and actually now fico is picking up this big flag to wave it in the european union and to, once again... follow

orbán's model to sell himself european buns there, fine, but that's just what he thinks , is it political technologists writing such texts to him, i will remind you that on the eve of the paris meeting, robert fizo said that the war started because of the rampage of neo-nazis in ukraine, even a drunk dmitriy medvedev does not allow himself to do such things, that is, it is him... they write that , does he really think so, we we understand that we are dealing with putin-ferstein, putin's kind of politician, but it is hard to believe that he thinks so. well, roman, i don't know who is writing these statements to him, and how they correlate specifically with those thoughts, but we understand that slovakia has been such a country lately. which

ideologically becomes closer to russia than to the european union. ugh. actually, when i was in munich, for example, last week, a lot of western politicians started saying that the examples of slovakia and hungary can be followed by some others elections in other countries, which are planned for... the end of this year and the next year, respectively, this is exactly the shaking of the european union, this is one of the strategic tasks of the russian federation, when the sleeping agents of the kremlin wake up and start conducting certain subversive work, moreover , they didn't actually go anywhere there, and european intelligence reacts very, in my opinion, weakly to the manifestations of these people.

on the territory of the european union, so i kind of expect that we will probably have more than one fitz and similar... statements can to rebroadcast in other states that will participate in election processes. mr. viktor , ursula funderlajen said that when we talked about march, as the term when this negotiating framework for ukraine's accession to the eu would be ready, it was not specifically about the fact that everything would be ready, it was about the beginning of the process, because the screening is currently underway, and most likely all this will drag on until the elections to the uec, that is, until june, even after june, because there are a lot of things that block all these procedures, and in particular these protests that we have now. today, brussels is blocked not only in imagination, but blocked by farmers, and physically, that is, the

same thing that is happening in warsaw is happening in the center of brussels. will ursula funderlajen and europe in general cope with this challenge. well, even for the remaining 5 months? well, in my opinion, the european commission took such a simple step when it made it clear that with similar actions that we observed in poland, huge money can be extracted, i will remind your viewers that when there with a big squeak, ukraine was allocated... 50 billion euros of aid for the next four years, then the protests in poland led to the fact that the european commission very quickly ordered to allocate 137 billion to poland, this is for

comparison, according to this money, it is a lot, well, part of the money will go there and in support of agricultural producers. and farmers, in particular those who blocked the borders, and this actually became such a precedent, when in other countries they begin to think, how much worse are we, and here they can use precisely ukraine from the point of view the fact that this is now a rumor, accordingly , you can push through the ukrainian border, you can push some of your own internally. common interests, and what should we do with all this? look, we should start little by little, or it can start quickly, but european integration is within some real framework. we understand that in fact there are precedents , by the way, the lion

's share of the budget of the european union is extracted by such blackmail with agricultural actions, it is no longer the prerogative of only the polish farmer, who has been doing it for 30 years in a row, turns out on astronomical billion-dollar subsidies, now we see it all over europe, spain, france, belgium, and here precisely in ukraine, where the agricultural component is almost the largest for us, as exporters of unprocessed agricultural products, how should we begin these conversations, we now have to decide with each country separately, with poland separately, with the hungarians, with the slovaks also separately, whether because the european commission supported it twice, that's all. fueled the aggression of certain circles that play the ukrainian, agrarian card, you are absolutely, you are absolutely right, i think so, that the negotiations we will have with the european union will be very difficult, very

difficult, remember how the negotiations on the free trade area with the european union began, how huge... were these concessions on our part, when they gave quotas for that certain types of goods enter the european market, why? because indeed in other countries, there is a huge lobby that advocates that ukrainian goods do not enter the european market or enter in very limited quantities, respectively. us then exports were cut so much in some positions that we really sometimes thought that sooner or later we would have to at least review this agreement

on a free trade zone with the european union, and now imagine if we are talking about the accession of ukraine to the european union for... as long as it takes, lobbyists will work so that, knowing that ukraine will be competitive, capable in terms of agricultural products there, relatively speaking. the quality of certain types of goods, and how much obstacles will be put in place to prevent this happened, that is, ukraine's negotiating position will be quite difficult, that is , we must find arguments why we complement europe, and not encroach on their money, their preferences, and their subsidies. and there will be, i think, a difficult dialogue, there will be a difficult dialogue with many countries,

not only with those countries that border our state, well, not only in brussels, we have a lot of issues to be resolved, but today biden has to meet across the ocean with the leaders of the congress with johnson, actually in which with which in in my opinion, they are completely out of sync with regard to aid to ukraine. we heard that before putin's election, well, we probably won't get anything from the united states, that such a gift would fly to moscow to the kremlin, if it so happened that the stars would come together, could they still come to an agreement today, and actually tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, when the people who decide all this, the united states, the congressmen, come back from vacation, could they finally agree on an aid package for... for ukraine, and it is clear that everything is exactly before all this will not reach us on march 17, i see

only several options, how it can be done, the first option has already been talked about, that the caucus can raise the issue of johnson's resignation, and perhaps this will stimulate him to deliver this package of documents to vote without knowing. it scares him, nevertheless, it is as one as one of the options. the second option is that they have such a body, similar to the one in ukraine, as a conciliation council, and perhaps this conciliation council will take the courage and there is a mechanism for this to pass this package is for a vote, er, in the house of representatives, and accordingly, there is a small, for now there is a small chance that maybe not this week, next

week it will be possible to do it, we'll see, uh, the chance, the chances are small, but the mechanisms for this there are, in principle, the mechanisms for this can be used, but as i have already repeatedly said , in my opinion, even to your colleagues, that with political will it would be possible... in ukraine, for example, to transfer at least the weapons which in the united states of america is now in such an e-e condition that it actually needs destruction, well, i mean disposal , you can estimate here and there, well, if there were thousands of rockets and artillery shells, you can estimate them, relatively speaking, at one to... or $100 or $500, and there are for this is the budget of the pentagon

, there are more than 4.7 billion dollars, which he can dispose of without a vote, for example, in the house of representatives, that is, some mechanisms are not yet engaged, i really hope that they can still be engaged, but at the same time there must be political will , now you are showing the president's adviser there. joe biden, salevan. and i have the feeling that he definitely lacks this political will, because he, you know, is like grief out of his mind, because he is constantly playing it safe, he constantly comes, obviously, to the president, and his terrifies the possible consequences of greater russian aggression , involvement in the third world war and so on, but... rightly said some speakers in munich that the states have already slept through the beginning

of the third world war, it is already underway, because if we talk about the war as a hybrid , then it has definitely been going for many years. we agree with you, mr. viktor, thank you for the conversation, viktor shlinchak, the chairman of the board of the institute of world politics was with us, and we will immediately add our next guest, iryna fedoriv, ​​journalist. public activist, head of public initiative golka is now in touch with us, mrs. iryna, welcome to our airwaves, good afternoon, and the first thing we want to talk about with you is about... the importance of judicial reform, we understand that not even so, not about the importance, we understand how much it is needed, and in particular on our way to europe, which is nowhere to be found anyway, and in the fight against corruption, look, just yesterday the states said it was not enough, you can do more, and how can you do more, if without a court, knowing all this over there on the eastern border, they are implementing

their scheme of how to discredit all ukrainian efforts to do. there is also something good about those ukrainian judges who are actually working now and who are actually leading us to the eu, there is a whole scheme, all this is happening through telegram channels, in particular we have already talked about the danger of telegram channels, how to stop it, mrs. iryna, well, probably the biggest problem is that we have social networks, and they are essentially unregulated . properly at the legislative level, that is, we have a telegram, and we cannot influence it in any way, and we see that the pro-russian telegram channels, they are negative for us and representatives of the public sector and honest judges who left to the front and essentially defend you and me, and they calmly appear such

telegram channels, for example, in the president's office at official events. and this is a complete legitimization, this is essentially raising them to a level mass media, and in the minds of ukrainians, telegram channels look like something quite normal, everyday, if we look at sociological polls, then news consumes the most from telegram space, and of course, russia cannot help but use this, they are building a very clearly our networks and judicial reform, as you have already said, is very, very important, because it is very important for us... to have a normal independent justice here, independent of the banking one, which can essentially implement the legislative norms adopted by the parliament, trust in there are a lot of courts now low, on a level with political parties, that is, our trust is at rock bottom, and russia is doing everything to ensure that trust is low not only in

ukraine, but also in our international partners, and the network is really working on this. telegram channels that we showed and covered, it includes the telegram channel of dubinsky and the telegram channel of buzhansky, these are people's deputies, and andriy partnov, who was in charge of the courts during yanukovych's time, and also includes the telegram channel of advocate kravets, who opposed the de-russification of ukrainian orthography and essentially attacks honest judges, this can be seen from his letters and public activists, mrs. iryna, and what to do , for example, some telegram channels of the same dubinsky have passed into the hands of someone unknown, but it seems that they cooperate quite well with those the good bloggers of misha podalyak, well, there is a whole bot-farm, that is, they were picked up, before we looked at

them and could not understand who was more in control, bozhansky dubinsky or the russian special services, now they were also intercepted and executed. almost semi-official telegram channels , you have already mentioned the fact that the drain tanks appeared at official press conferences, we just cannot understand why the sbu does not work them out, is there a stop, don't move command here, it is ours, despite that, that there really stinks of russian traces, well, if we talk about the security service, they have already told a number of telegram channels that they are pro-russian, i... think that this tangle should be unwound, they talked about both the legitimate and the resident, in our study also has these channels for judicial reform, it is probably very important here that these the special services reviewed the data, we are ready to provide everyone, send out this network, reposts from this network, who interacted with whom, in principle, there

are no problems here, but surely not only the special service should work here , the committee on issues of freedom should also work here. words, we recently had shufrycha yurchyshyn there, thank god, he is a representative of the voice, i hope that the committee will sit down and still work out some algorithms, because there should still be a legislative field, because they feel like snakes, for example, you are mass media information, they can act on the same level as you, but bear no responsibility, and we cannot understand who is behind them. moreover, if we talk about the advertising business, then in telegram, we all understand how much one post on trus or other channels can cost, there the girls can. appear from 50 to 80 thousand, that is, it is not enough that anonymity is a business, in fact, it is also, well,

a little bit, we are starting to lack sound, ms. iryna, you say important things, in this case, you also want to understand, but what, what to do society in general, because we fall into a trap, and this trap is very similar to schizophrenia. but when ukrainians during research and polls say that they are convinced that fakes, lies and manipulations are given by telegram channels and even put a tick, but at the same time they act like those hedgehogs in the joke, cried, pricked themselves and continued to climb the cactus, and so on signed and continue to take information as the first source from the same telegram channels, that is, this is some kind of schizophrenia, what to do with it? well , look, we have to realize that in not only these anonymous channels went to telegram , in fact, the big media also have their own

telegram channels, and well, this is a market, since people consume, large mass media will also go there, and here the question is not about people, they will consume, and they will go to telegram, and to the media detector, there is telegram, and well, in fact , there are telegram channels in large major media, and this is a fact. but clearly the lawmakers should sit down and develop some regulatory mechanisms, because it cannot be the case that there is media and there is no regulation, that is, let the tv channels be regulate, we will regulate radio , we will regulate newspapers, the world is moving , new types of media are appearing, there must be, well , a new legislative framework for this regulation, well , the question here is not about the people, we literally have half a minute, ms. irina, we will get to that , to regulate the internet, social networks. and i really hope for that, because we are already lagging behind, we can say that we are already really behind in time, and it is clear that

the committee chaired by shufrishch would not work on this, i hope that the new committee, well, will start working on some new rules. thank you for your answers, thank you for the conversation, iryna fedoriv, ​​journalist, public activist, head of the public initiative, golka, was on the air of the espresso tv channel, and roman and i are also on it. no, but i still want to do a little something nice simply, but 20 seconds is that it's good that we at least talk about important problems, but in the country of the aggressor, look, it's real, i 'll show you, in the state russian thought, that's the whole idea, if a person goes out there with painted nails, in the wrong clothes with cosmetics, let's plant it, it's a stupid fight against lgbt people, can you imagine the frenzy that the legislators reach there, in our country we say that the legislator... should regulate the hybrid threat from the aggressor country, and there the frenzy is already such that, well, i don't i know what they are fighting there, we have to fight them

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we summarize the informational morning in ukraine, in khrystyna perubiy works in the studio of espresso news. the russian plane crash continues. ukrainian soldiers shot down another enemy su-34 fighter-bomber in the eastern direction. this was reported by air force commander mykola olyschuk. he advised russian pilots to say goodbye to their relatives before each combat mission just in case. i will add that this is already the eighth destroyed enemy fighter in the last

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