glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. today, for the next two hours, we are talking about the war, about ukraine, about the west and about how we live in this difficult time. today in the program. ground operation in perspective. macron does not rule out the introduction of nato troops into ukraine. results of the conference of european leaders. the escalation at the front continues. the russians are advancing in the avdiyivka region and pressing on kupyansk. how long can they hold the initiative. we will lose the third world war. trump scares the electorate with war if biden wins the us presidential election. about this and about other things, during the next hour.

we speak with yevhen dyky, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, and volodymyr ogrysk, former minister of foreign affairs of ukraine. the second part of our program will feature people's deputies of ukraine oleksandr mereshko, maria ionova and oksana savchuk. however , before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch a video of how two russian grad anti-aircraft guns immediately came under a joint attack the fire of the k-2 battalion of the 54th separate mechanized brigade and the rubizh national guard brigade near lysychansk, luhansk region. let's see.

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guest on the phone, this is yevhen dykiy, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, a former platoon commander of the aidar battalion, the leader national antarctic science center. mr. yevgeny, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. well, it is not for nothing that we ask our tv viewers whether our tv viewers and viewers allow the deployment of nato troops in ukraine in the near future, since the reason for such a question was the statement, or, let's say, the explanation of emmanuel macron at the meeting of european leaders in paris, where a conference in support of the ukrainian state that western troops may be on territory of the ukrainian state, although he emphasized that there is currently no consensus among allies on this issue. mr. yevgeny, do you allow that the countries that are part of the north atlantic... alliance

can send some military contingents to the territory of the ukrainian state without a consensus decision of nato? well, first of all, i thank you for the correctness of the wording, but just before that i was on the air and came across this wording about nato troops in ukraine, so let's really put the dots exactly for everyone, you are very correct formulated that there can be no question of nato troops at all, because in nato all decisions are made by consensus, well, i think... what to imagine a situation in which orban or fico accepted, and even scholes, accepted the transfer of troops to ukraine, well, i think , that it is simply beyond the limits of anything possible at all, that is, we are talking about individual nato member countries, which theoretically could send their troops here, well , to be honest, it is extremely difficult for me to imagine it, let me remind you that we have not yet passed a much smaller barrier, but we are forbidden... any

weapons provided by partners, to be used on the territory of the russian federation, we actually have some weapon in our hands and literally immediately this hand is tied to the fact that... god forbid, use it only on the legal territory of ukraine, thank god , this at least includes the occupied territories, but there is no mention of russia. do you remember when the actual russian volunteer corps conducted combat operations in the belgorod region. and in some report there, for a second , only a belgian rifle flashed in the frame. we are not we're not talking about that, we're not talking about a rocket. belgian rifle. ot. and there would be, and there was, a whole diplomatic scandal. and in the future. as today chancellor scholz, for example , categorically put an end to the issue of taurus, said that no, the ukrainians will not have taurus, but never, and clearly explained why, because i do not want to be responsible for the fact that they will hit the territory of russia, and we will thus be drawn into the war, this is an almost

verbatim wording, a little differently, well, the essence is accurately conveyed, you understand, and when they are so afraid of being even indirectly involved... well, to imagine that they actually send a contingent here to fight, well, to be honest, i don't have enough imagination, eh, but then again, there is another question, what about us it gave, and would we need it if we were talking about some, let's say, missions of military specialists, that is, some advisers, some specialists, let's say from certain such and such technological things that we do not have now, it would certainly be useful , for example, the same... air defense units together with our equipment and personnel, it would be useful, but in principle, well , by and large, we have already shown and proved more than once that any technological things that we do not have, we just have to give them, we we assimilate them very quickly, we assimilate

them efficiently, moreover, we sometimes open up such possibilities in them that the developers themselves did not lay, a vivid example, the patriots, well, the patriots actually, it is like that from the beginning... well, a large stationary system is enough, well, it can be transported, but in general, the whole event is based on the idea of ​​the developers it is still used that way, but it is brought somewhere once, deployed there for at least many months, and even for years, and it stands and covers the object, and we were the first in the world to make the patriot a wandering, traveling one, and this touring the patriot landed two more drydocks not too long ago today, that is, well, that's not the only one. that is, we discovered a lot in the same western technologies that they themselves did not see in them, that is, in principle, the key thing for us is that they give us weapons, and the more technologically, the better, or it would also be of much use to us from their divisions here, and if the risks did not really prevail, but we would have to

be responsible for their lives, we would understand that each, roughly speaking, zinc coffin that came, for example to france, she would have greatly undermined ukraine's support there, there was immediately... there would be a whole bunch of horos, but what are our people fighting for on foreign land, blah blah blah, so, honestly, it is not enough that i rate it as extremely unlikely, sending military contingents here, but i also have a very big question, whether it would really give us more benefit rather than harm, i.e. do we really really need it? in addition to the fact that macron allowed the placement of a foreign contingent on the territory of the ukrainian state, macronchev... said about the creation of a coalition of medium- long-range missiles and deep-hit bombs against russian troops. he also urged the europeans to produce more ammunition. let's hear what macron said. the priority among

priorities is the issue of ammunition. we mobilized artillery to a large extent. a coalition in which, as you know, we played a role impulse we all at the same table made a commitment. categories of ammunition, and asked third countries to propose any new solutions. actually, mr. yevgeny, what macron said, does it mean that long-range missiles will still land on the territory of the ukrainian state? i like his statement much more than the fact that they are there. some contingents are talking, because it can be a reality, too, let's, let's just hope that it will become a reality, there is no guarantee, by the way, well, it's real a random coincidence, but just today i just had a meeting with a french journalist who is really a great friend of ukraine, he has been here since the beginning of the war, and just

today he passed through kyiv, actually directly from the east, directly from, well, not directly from the front line or foreign journalists they don't let them go to zero, but where... they let them go there for about 3 km, somewhere to zero, that's actually where he was driving, so we discussed all these statements with him, and he said with a sad smile, he says, no, well, he says, well, he says, you what does he say about... you don't know our president macron, they say it took him 2 years of this war to finally start saying the right things, well, two years, two years he will start doing the right things, that's, i think we'll say an exaggeration, but here we will remember that the same scholz, who categorized us in kurus, but at the same time, in general, in terms of military aid, germany currently gives us more than the whole... france is next to it in terms of potential. about the coalition of long-range missiles, it is serious, and that

we will need more skali, also exactly right the french missiles we already received, already used, if even just more scalps, already a very serious reinforcement, and if they find something even more long-range, well, that's all, that's it, it's crazy lacking, about the bosses scholz, ugh scholz , macron said something more important than that. what he called to produce there, the europeans should not be called to produce, they already produce as much as they have time, they produce as much as they can, there are contracts for a million shells for us, and they are ready to take more contracts, but they simply do not have time to produce it, fulfill it this contract. macron finally unblocked the question of whether it is possible to import projectiles from eu countries for us, he was just one of those leaders who categorically denied it, he wanted ... all eu money for ammunition to go directly to the european industry, and well, in principle,

the approach is healthy, the approach is normal, i understand it, just like our industry, there is a nuance here: european industry does not have time to digest this money and release it into goods in the right time, here, sorry, the term - this term now means everything, and it is important that macron finally removed this is its own blocking that he agreed to let the shells fall on the jesus... money outside the borders, but after this meeting of macron, mr. yevgeny, i got the impression that with regard to nato and with regard to the fact that the united states of america may at some point not step in for the countries , a member of the north atlantic alliance, shows that the europeans are already thinking about their own security system separately, well , in parallel, let's say, the north atlantic alliance, because... well, otherwise, i simply do not consider, other motives of the power

of the french president, countries to meet because they they talked about the threat of the russians, about the fact that in a few years they may face this threat, or whether we are creating some kind of security, where france and ukraine will obviously be there, maybe ukraine sooner than the north atlantic, well, i don't know. can we already see the creation, we definitely see, and in general we see the process of europe, europe slept in a warm bath for many years, well, for years it was already a very gentle warm bath with foam, besides, by and large, this very comfortable comfort , he grew up under american security ambassador. in fact, this is one of those questions, yes, he comes across here

as a destructor, as a destroyer, but in principle in his very claim to europeans, well, he is essentially right, europe has really blossomed, europe has gained its economic, let's say, its economic prosperity and all these human rights and freedoms, it was completely under the protection of the usa, and europe at the same time did not even want to invest money in it, but it’s cool, it’s very profitable not... spend on your own, what the taxpayers paid for your defense, and when actually in to the very formulation of the question, here trump is right , and he approaches this, i say, absolutely not constructively, namely as a destroyer of everything, but yes, here, trump and putin together woke up europe, now we see how europe is frightened, terrified, she finally wakes up after 30 years of bathing, the problem is that there is no time, that is mentally. reconstruction and financial corresponding and main development of these investments in defense, which are now,

by the way, already a river in europe, but it all takes a certain time, but the process is going very in the right direction, mr. yevgeny , let's talk about the current situation in ukraine, we witnessed how zelensky literally a few days ago announced that an offensive was being prepared, but no one will talk about the details, there will be several... variants of the scenario of the development of events, since the last counter-offensive there in the papers got to the kremlin and this counter-offensive did not take place, but we see what is happening on the eastern front. at least the situation that is commented on by the general headquarters of the weapons of ukraine and ours leadership that russia continues to occupy the villages west of avdiyvka, this is still the case today, and deepstate analysts report that chukchi troops are advancing northwest of avdiyvka in the donetsk

region, what can you say about the current situation and the pace of the advance. how fast are they, are they rapid and are they or all of this from'.