i don't believe it, in any case you will hear more, i will hear with you until tomorrow, in a few moments the verdict program, let's watch it together, good evening, we are from ukraine, glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, greetings to everyone and i wish everyone good health, for the next two hours we will talk about ukraine, about the world, about... well, about our victory today in the program. 10 downed planes in 10 days. the air force of the armed forces of ukraine demonstrates miracles of efficiency, thanks to which the aircraft fleet is rapidly losing. there will be no nato troops in ukraine. western leaders are ahead of the curve commenting on macron's unexpected statement. meanwhile, american aid to ukraine continues to slow down. protect the region. transnistria.

the separatists did not dare to ask russia directly, but they are begging for protection from the so-called pressure of moldova. over the next hour, we will talk about this and other things with diplomat and politician roman bezsmertny, aviation expert valery romanenko, and journalist tetyana vysotska, who monitors the work of the european parliament session. the second part of our program will feature political experts maksym rozumny and ihor reiterovich however. before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch a video of the destruction of rashi t-80 bv tanks in the beilohorivka area with the help of attack drones. let's see.

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numbers are free, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, your own option, please write in the comments under this video, well, i want to introduce our first guest, this is roman bezsmertny, politician, diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the republic of belarus in 2010-11, mr. roman, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today, good evening, mr. serhiy, well, since we are asking our viewers... about whether russia can to provoke maidan 3 in ukraine, i will also ask you in the format of a blitz survey, since you know and understand exactly how the maidan movement in ukraine works and where the maidan comes from? no, this chatter, this endless chatter on the topic that someone over there is leading us in ukraine, or across the ocean, or under the side, all this chatter is not from the intelligent... head of those who are conducting this conversation.

the fact is that, whoever is in power, but these are our geniuses, or forgive the assholes, and what to do with them, the ukrainian people will decide, not muscovites or someone from the west or east and so on. and why do you think, now the authorities are quite actively talking about what russia can organize there. this maidan 3, won't it happen that under all this, under the special operation that the ukrainian authorities are talking about, well, in principle , anyone who will protest against the ukrainian authorities there, not on the maidan, but simply oppose the ukrainian authorities, or there is a danger that such a person can be counted as an accomplice of the russian federation, because she implements maidan 3, so it came out, serhiy rudenko said on the maidan, or roman bezsmertny, that's all. a member of maidan 3,

ipso of the russian federation? well, conversations will always be held, mr. sergiu, and the reason for these conversations is different. what sabotage. the work of the enemy is being carried out, it is known, and this can be seen from the actions of the special service, the security service and the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense, which constantly provide facts, these facts are confirmed by the subversive work of the fsb and the foreign intelligence service of russia and in western countries, especially the current situation in poland , in france, in germany, this is confirmed by a number of facts which published and so on, and from my point of view, when such information appears and it does not carry confirmation, documentary, factual or operational actions, it is only a tool for influencing the information space. and as for

the fragments that you mentioned, it is obvious that we are from there, and we are not deprived of all these dislocations both in... in the head and in actions, and we understand perfectly everything, including both in society and in the system, authorities, there are people who sometimes resort to such methods, and we are learning democracy, to build a democracy in the conditions of war is oh so difficult, oh what a difficult thing to do, yes , what you said, i do not exclude at all, because i have already lived a lot and seen a lot. but if we speak decisively and what can be said in general terms, then neither the first, nor the second, nor the third revolution, and those that will be, and no one here in ukraine organized them , did not support them from the point of view of external influence, they were self-initiative, self-management

of political forces, society and the actual organization of ukrainian society. and self-organization, and the third sector, in principle , has always been an example not only for the post-soviet space, but also for the european one, this was noted and noted by all analysts in the world, so this is not the case, ukrainian society, which can be manipulated, it is capable of organizing itself and giving repulse, including it will direct to the path of truth those, forgive for this... biblical phrase, those in power who do not understand where to look and what to do, well, society clearly understands what can be done during martial law and during war, and what can’t be done, well, this is also very important, but actually we lived through the year 2023 all

the time in this discussion, you remember, it was constantly, that here and there is a connecting rod, then there are some devils and so on were developed and... tried to be implemented in ukraine, but ukraine withstood it. this confirms the health and strength of ukrainian society, its understanding of all the processes that take place at the front, and intuitive, and understanding, including in international relations. mr. roman, today the deputies of the unrecognized transnistrian region of the republic of moldova at the congress, the so-called congress, of the so-called... deputies of various levels, appealed to russia for the protection of the region and warned of possible provocations that could lead to an escalation of tensions, i will quote this document, well, an appeal to russia, the first point reads as follows: to address the federation council of the state duma

of russia with a request to implement measures to protect transnistria under conditions of increased pressure from moldova. more than 220,000 russian citizens live in transnistria. russia participates. in of the peacekeeping mission on the dniester and is a guarantor and mediator in the negotiation process, said the resolution of the congress. well, of course, russia is not a mediator or guarantor in this negotiation process, it is a participant in the conflict and has been for the past 30 years, but the fact that they announced this today, and tomorrow putin delivers his annual message to the federal assembly, on your opinion, whether they can be interconnected facts, well, of course, tomorrow we will hear what putin will say. but isn't this a reason for putin to start to say that we will now also return transnistria back, because this is novorossiya and also transnistria, just this will be the chebitok that we will own in the south and south-west of ukraine, well, and correspondingly in the east, east, south-east of moldova

, well, firstly, you have to be ready for any development of events, and secondly, well, it is obvious that the numbers that are called... there is also information that preceded this about the possibility of an invitation, a call, and so on, like alya yanukovych , as he used to address putin and so on, as you can see. this is not happened, but it must be understood that this fact and this event, it is clearly tampered with the message, in order to create an additional informational excuse, and i am convinced that this fact will sound in the message, will sound and it will be very densely advertised, scattered all over the world by the information powers of führer moskovsky, this is also

an obvious thing. at the same time, ah, it is clear that what is happening now in transnistria, the activation of, ah, chauvinist russian forces, transnistrian separatists, it primarily related to aaa widespread information and psychological attack on ukraine. now. please note that the situation at the front, it shook at the same time the informational and psychological attack on ukraine, and this is one of the components, including this and the attack, that is, here you need to think about both organizational countermeasures and operational-tactical countermeasures, and against, and also to work with psychological tools in order to explain to the ukrainian society what these diabolical transnistrian chauvinists russian

and including that, it is necessary to explain to the partners in the west, well, it is obvious that this requires special attention and help to moldova, because president sandu is under constant attack by the führer of moscow, well... the chauvinists who are now sitting there, the russian chauvinists, who have settled in transnistria, therefore this is a multi-component thing that must be treated with a well-thought-out countermeasure, a planned countermeasure, and here one cannot under any circumstances reflect, but one must be prepared for the fact that all these components will be implemented by the moscow führer with using the fact of events in transnistria. mr. roman, the government of moldova believes... that the so-called transnistrian congress of deputies and its decisions do not pose a threat

of escalation and destabilization, calling this gathering a purely propaganda event, one can evaluate differently, of course, what happened in the transnistrian republic of moldova , so-called, but can moldova officially appeal to ukraine with a request to assist in the settlement of the transnistria issue, that is, is it clear? that now russia does not have the ability to help the contingent military, which is located on the territory of the transnistrian republic of moldova, there seem to be about 700 military personnel, well , different numbers are called, there are 6.5, 7 thousand, and there are large warehouses of ammunition, could ukraine solve the issue of both moldova and its own, because this the contingent that is there is small, but it is still a threat to the southern regions

of ukraine. well, there in the sausage town, that 's what it's called, where these former warehouses are, there are somewhere, if you put everything together, in the region of 500 soldiers, but only 1,500 of them - these are the people who are trained, able to participate in some actions, that's why... what is written, it is usually either exaggerated or reduced to the point of impossibility. the real situation is, in fact , quite, let's say, balanced for moldova, especially since the government of moldova received during the last year quite serious help with equipment and weapons in order to keep this enclave , respectively. status, now regarding the appeal, of course, such an appeal can be made, and it depends on the government of moldova, on

interaction, from the dialogue between the government of ukraine and the government of moldova, what will be the answer, well, here it is necessary to weigh all the pros and cons, and as far as i know, the dialogue was two years ago, and a year ago it was very dense, and the ukrainian main intelligence agency constantly.. .. there are kishinos about the course of events, moreover, the head of the ministry of defense gur spoke about this several times, including his last contact. mass media, where he spoke about the possible actions of the assembly of deputies of all levels and about the extent of the appeal to putin, what it will be, what it will be in terms of content, that is, in fact, there is interaction at the level of special services, especially since the prime minister of moldova is a former head of the security services and an advisor on

security issues, has the office of the president, and... of moldova the former, that is, in fact, we can say here that ukraine, as far as i know, cooperates quite strongly with the government of moldova from the point of view of operational-tactical cooperation. as for the fate of this republic and all these people, here ukraine defends the need to observe international legal norms and the sovereign principle. of moldova, and its territorial integrity, and therefore, if help is needed for the official government of the state, the republic of moldova, and they apply for this help, it is clear that the ukrainian leadership will consider it and make a decision, because the actions are similar, which are now

taking place in transnistria carry signs of a threat to ukraine, and... all this singing along to the moscow führer in the conditions when ukraine is at war with moscow, it can be considered by the ukrainian government as a certain threat, so it is obvious that ukraine should to take appropriate steps, especially since ukraine, in accordance with the agreements that were signed between teraspol and chisinau, is. a participant in this dialogue and a guarantor of this dialogue, therefore, in this case, ukraine can take all necessary steps as a participant in this process. mr. roman, on february 26 , emmanuel macron met with the leaders of european states in paris, one of the statements that came out of the french president in the discussion

was that he does not rule out that the country's troops. members of nato may be on the territory of ukraine, caused a stormy reaction in the world, well in russia, the first thing, of course , and in the world as well, the white house announced that they do not plan to send the troops of the united states of america to fight in ukraine, let's listen to what john kirby said, well, this is a sovereign decision that everyone a nato member should decide for himself, you heard how "secretary general stoltenberg himself said that there are no plans or intentions, certainly under the auspices of nato, to deploy troops on the ground. and president biden from the very beginning of this conflict clearly stated that on the territory of ukraine there are no there will be us troops who would perform combat tasks the minister of foreign affairs of lithuania , gabrielus lansbergis, believes that it is worth thinking about

macron's idea about the possibility of the deployment of ground troops by the allies in the... political leadership, ambition and determination to think outside the box are needed, the initiative of yesterday's meeting in paris deserves attention, mr. roman, when macron says that the troops of countries that are timely... nato can be on territory of ukraine, we are not talking about the participation of nato as an alliance in russia's participation in the russian-ukrainian war. we are talking about the fact that this will not be a consensus decision, but each state can decide and say that we are sending some military contingent to the territory of ukraine, or in this situation, for example, if lithuania has sent some

contingent to the territory of ukraine, and if russia attacks lithuania, respectively. "how to be in this situation, that is, lithuania made this decision independently, and nato should be responsible for it, or there are no contradictions? mr. serhiy, we talked about this topic with you, do you remember that once in ukraine everyone insisted that nato countries cannot provide assistance and interact with ukraine on the basis of bilateral agreements, and we then came to the position that , that it is possible, it is not a ban." by the nato charter, moreover, in the situation that is now described, the most accurate, the most accurate, paradoxically, well, this sometimes happens, and... this political animal, the prime minister, described of slovakia, robert fico, in his analysis, said that individual nato states

are considering the issue on the basis of bilateral agreements with ukraine, to send troops to ukraine, and he goes on to say that this gives him goosebumps. but this is the right of each state, now regarding the option you are talking about: first, if we take the military countries of nato, and this was demonstrated today, in particular, by the chief of staff of the netherlands, saying that any option for the development of events should not be discounted and... we must be ready for any development of events, including the one we are talking about, this will find the language now that we need to equip ourselves now,

he is talking about this and sending troops to ukraine, but we must be ready for any development of events. regarding whether, on the basis of bilateral agreements, nato countries can deploy pre-ukrainian troops, i still do not know. i want to say that no one, no document denies such a possibility, moreover, if you look at the already signed agreements with countries on cooperation in the field of security, there are no direct indications of this, but there is also content, because any agreement, in addition, what she has formal side, it also has a meaning and is interpreted as a whole, there it follows from the meaning. there is a probability and possibility of such a course of events, it is not an obligation, but it is a probable option, i emphasize this, moreover,

this option cannot be canceled , including nato. it is decided in accordance with the national legislation, constitutions of all countries that concluded similar agreements with ukraine. now, the likely option that you... said, what if in the case of such an option, the answer is the führer of moscow will attack any member of nato, in this case there is an unequivocal requirement of the fifth article of the charter of the north atlantic bloc to defend any state, and here it is absolutely irrelevant how the führer of moscow and... his clique will interpret the event and behavior lithuania, estonia, latvia or any nato member, in the event that they provide

ukraine as a state on the basis of bilateral agreements, appropriate military assistance. therefore, from my point of view, this screeching, which has now started from the pope and to washington, this is just a political... scream, and if we talk about the military headquarters of the armed forces and within nato, and national governments, including the pentagon, then none of them excludes such an option, moreover, if you carefully read the washington post article , which is called last week, what americans learned from ukrainians, including. and it is noted that only direct participation in such events can give serious skills in order to lead the conditions, to lead a war in

the current conditions, so it is obvious, and it is already it has been known for a long time that most countries not only conduct training, but analyze the development of events on the russian-ukrainian front, and even build... separate operational-tactical actions based on what is happening on the russian-ukrainian front, and now even new units are being assembled at separate headquarters, based on the lessons that these states take, studying the situation on the russian-ukrainian front, from here it becomes obvious to me that the question of attracting troops on the basis of... bilateral agreements of nato countries to participate in countermeasures russian aggression is only a matter of time, and

this shriek, which has now ... risen, is only evidence of the fact that on the eve of the elections to the european parliament, everyone is trying to shake off the straw so as not to fall, but the situation with the threat of the russian aggressor, it is very quickly will bring to mind those who do not understand the thesis that was recently voiced that there is an opportunity to stop the aggressor in ukraine, if someone does not understand this, then there will be a stop. he is at home, by the way, and mr. roman, do they understand in poland that ukraine is stopping now aggressor, because we now see a rather wide panorama of what is happening in bilateral relations between ukraine and poland, and it looks quite unacceptable and ugly, because in poland the roads leading to the ukrainian border are blocked, our government officials for some reason go to the ukrainian border to meet with

donald tusk'. who did not go there, said here today that he is ready to make difficult decisions so that there is no unnecessary tension, but we must find a long-term solution and said that he can temporarily to completely close the border for ukrainian goods, although taras kachka denied this statement today, by the way, how do you look at this situation and what was done right and what was wrong in this story and who is right and who is guilty? from my point of view, polish politicians should open the works of bigny abezhynskyi, there it is described in great detail that the future stability of eurasia depends on the strength of the military-political-economic union of four states: france, germany, poland and ukraine.

what is currently happening in... of poland, as fsb saboteurs unfold the behavior of polish protesters, both against ukraine and against germany, shows that in moscow these textbooks were read, in warsaw they were forgotten, and therefore periodically all these people need to be reminded of all these things . as for the tactics of solving the current issue with the protesting farmers, the answer to it must be formed in brussels, because the reason, the formal reason for these protests, is a series of decisions that were taken within the framework of the european union, regarding the so-called common agrarian policy, but this policy

involved... decisions, relevant procedural decisions within the framework of national governments, the fact that some, and today it must be said honestly, most european governments slept through this moment, and the corresponding adaptive steps were not taken and led to the fact that that this shook farmers' protests, because as you know, they took place starting from december last year and are still happening now, and this in the conditions of conducting and preparing, preparing and conducting an election campaign for the european parliament, carries a very huge threat, so it is obvious that this requires a corresponding meeting within the framework of the european government, the european council, and such a meeting last monday

already... to take place, where tactical steps to introduce a common agricultural policy within the framework of the european union are discussed. its main components, which annoy farmers the most, are the so-called green agreement, the content of which is primarily the processes of decarbonization, minimization of mineral fertilizers, all kinds of poisonous substances, and so on. next is the introduction of organic methods of agriculture, which minimizes the use of chemicals and so on, and balances the use of land resources of each state, i would like to remind you that in accordance with international standards, the plowability of soils on the territory of any state should not exceed...