russia can, russia has the tools , that's the way it really is, but every time i hear the statements of our high-ranking officials, i am always surprised by one question: why, the ukrainian authorities, which talk about a threat to the national security of ukraine and that that russia threatens, threatens ukrainians and threatens ukrainian independence, why does the moscow regime still work in ukraine. church, that is , it is still a mystery to me, because you can say there that the opposition, well, relatively speaking, as the representatives of the authorities like to say, the opposition there can bring someone to the maidan, or russia can take advantage of it, well, the opposition will not do that, everyone is aware that now it is a matter of life and death for ukraine, a matter of life and death for all ukrainians, so this obviously will not happen, but is it a matter of life and death? and

for those who represent the branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, and why, in your opinion, the authorities are delaying this decision, that is, the bill was passed in the first reading there, it is quite so complicated, but all the same, the church headed by zonuphrius continues to exist in ukraine, and it is the largest agent network, in principle, in russia , now on the territory of the ukrainian state, mr. maksym, i think there are several ... reasons for this, the main reason is , that after all, with this church they connect themselves and their religious feelings and their social relations, a significant part of citizens of ukraine, and what is no less important, a significant part of people close to the political class, that is , this church, the ukrainian orthodox church .

of the moscow patriarchate for a long time she was very closely integrated into the ukrainian elite , she is connected with the political class and the economic class, and so to speak, to subject her to repression by some kind of political ee is to step over oneself through friendly ties and so on ee from the other side ee i think there are expectations. that the problem will solve itself, but like this, you know, gradually, without sudden movements, communities will gradually move, the connection with moscow will be lost on the initiative, perhaps of the church itself, well, that is, do not cut immediately, but somehow let it go through an evolutionary path. it is obvious that in this situation this tactic and strategy is wrong, and... there is every

reason to simply prohibit some elements of the state registration of the relevant communities and the corresponding structure, and not to interfere in canonical issues there, in church life, so to speak, to express in this way , the attitude of the state towards certain legal entities, such a decision, it lies on the surface, but his... obviously, so far, he does not dare or there are no people who would accept it in such a way speak in the leadership of the state. mr. igor, what do you think about delaying the resolution of this issue, or will it have consequences already after our victory, because as i understand it, this issue will not be resolved until the end of the war, and how does this threaten ukraine? well, it will definitely have. consequences, and these and

these consequences will be negative, why? because by and large we are leaving a structure that is not religious, not even church, i will remind you that the church is by and large an institution of civil society, if formally approach this, and it must also, well, in the context of registration there and performing certain actions of a legal or physical nature there, it must live according to the laws that exist in ukraine, so we risk simply leaving a structure that really... well, i will not say that it will be anti-ukrainian, but it will definitely not be pro-ukrainian and to some extent it will remain pro-russian, since russia and the russian orthodox church, it uses this connection with a political, there socio-economic purpose, humanitarian goal, and accordingly it will continue to hold us by these hooks and tie us to a certain extent to the russian federation, this is one thing, secondly, it will remain, this structure will remain that enclave or that...

tool with which they will influence including individual representatives of our political elite. we can even see it now, some of them are not at all afraid to take pictures there with representatives of this church. they demonstratively, well, raise their connection with her to the shield publicly there, because they understand that this can bring them certain dividends in the future, well , financial, i don't know, maybe even electoral ones, because there is hope that sooner or later, when elections return to ukraine, this factor of belonging to to use one or another denomination, if someone says that this has never happened in ukraine, well, that is absolutely not true, the church has always actively participated in the elections and it is possible with a great desire. was to steer entire communities in the right direction there to vote for some or other, let's say individuals, and some of the people's deputies, politicians in general, today they remember this resource very well and hope to use it in the future, and indeed from the point of view of national security in general, the preservation of such

a structure, i absolutely i agree with mr. maksym that it was possible to remove these points on a purely legal level and create very uncomfortable conditions for the existence of this structure and... if the process were natural, it would be significantly accelerated, but they are blocking it including those people who are in the environment of power today, who do not want to take such drastic steps, who believe that in the future they will be able to use this resource, but already use it to their advantage, because right here there is a stage calculation, we should we will help today, well, you know, not about not pedaling certain solutions and not bringing them to a logical conclusion, but they will thank us for this in the future and help them stay in power there or solve some other issues there, and by the way, i have one more moment i will say, this is again, well, to a certain extent correct authorities, i think that they are not intensifying this story, because they are afraid of certain lawsuits and some kind of reaction from the side, including our partners, who, you know, treat

freedom of speech like this, they are so very careful, but we see a lot of manipulation, so that the same church or the people who support this church are oligarchs there, they don't have american lobbyists, for example, yes, they have influence there on... some candidates there , former candidates for the position of the president of the united states are talking about some there religious persecution, but why is it a problem for the government, the government had to legally prepare it in such a way that there would be no questions from our partners, and since these questions remain, well, no one wants to solve this problem, they hope that it will somehow solve it on its own it will exist there by itself, and then maybe it will go off the agenda and will not be as relevant as it is now. one more question, gentlemen, regarding the actual vision of the 24th year, a large forum was held on sunday with the participation of the president and leaders of the ukrainian state, the speakers of the ukrainian state, and well, all this was shown and

presented as a kind of vision, there is a vision of what people think about the year 2024, in your opinion, did zelenskyi's team succeed in convincing ukrainians that... 2024 will have here are such, such, such prospects, and that the current team of zelensky, it is not 56 managers, i think they are now starting to correct this communication error and start showing more people in order to say that we have a whole team, we are with this team we go to victory, we have such and such plans, and these plans are clear to everyone, mr. maxim, did you understand why this forum was held in general and whether you received answers to the questions. which one do you, as a citizen of ukraine, definitely have? well, what can i say, if we talk about strategic plans for the 24th year, especially plans for our military plans, then i did not

expect to hear from our leadership their coverage, moreover, i hoped that they would not be... hidden and even there probably won’t be, there won’t even be a hint of them, because during the war they reveal their plans, especially strategic goals, well, this is a suicidal act, all communication is strategic during war, public communication, it is aimed at misleading the enemy, so i did not, no, did not expect or hear this, but was it unexpected for me? did i understand why this is being done? i think i understood, i think that this is, once again, a pr action that was designed and directed on the fly, and its main purpose was to cover up the informational

release of valery zaluzhny, that is, they had to show what was there, so to speak , strong team, there is someone... to protect ukraine even without any help, well, i'm not sure if it was successful, but some, some such imitation. we saw confidence. thank you, mr. igor, how did this ukraine 2024 forum impress you and did it impress you? look, he impressed me, what can i say now? this is what you started with, i have finally established myself in the opinion that the president really has five or six managers, they tried to present just the right broad team, but all the speeches that were given to the president and there to... partly the minister of defense , maybe partially there, well, fedorova with some conditions

there, well, of course yarmak, by and large we saw, well, very, very weak preparedness of the representatives, first of all the cabinet of ministers and their understanding of the processes that are currently taking place in the country, some of the statements they made there about the huge number of drones there and the like, well, they are just in vain, unfortunately, they are shattered by reality and people who... are directly related to this, including, well, first of all, volunteers, therefore in this context, well, if they wanted to demonstrate that the entire state body works as a whole, everyone knows what and how to do it, it probably didn't turn out very well, because there was a certain synchronicity, and the controversy of statements, or overly optimistic statements , it was visible to the naked eye, so let's hope it was the only thing that happened. was specifically aimed primarily at our partners to show that ukraine itself

is doing a lot, wants and needs help, but we will do our best to do so, and to independently develop certain areas there, let's say, therefore, in this context, perhaps this forum did not work as well as it was expected, on the other hand, it once again showed that everything is concentrated exclusively there, practically on the head of the state, in his office, and some informal powers, informal institute. which are currently in the country, they continue to dominate the formal ones, which is certainly not very good, even in the context of a large-scale war, and the reluctance of the president to speak there and to give answers to individual questions, well , on the one hand, it shouldn't surprise us anymore, because this has happened before, but if more serious work and conversations begin, and some not very pleasant things are mentioned, well, we have to go to end and give answers to all the questions asked by both our and foreign journalists, because really... pauses

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numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will sum up. this vote. let me remind you that maksym rozumny and ihor reiterovych, the best political experts of ukraine, are our guests today. we are talking about what was said and heard at the 2024 forum by zelenskyi, and of course, about what plans zelenskyi’s team has not only for this year, but also in general, what is the vision of what the ukrainian government should look like: the reduction of the ministry in ukraine depends from a shortage of funds. if the deficit continues, then the authorities will do... everything so that the entire infrastructure of the state has decreased, president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyy stated this at the press conference following the conclusion of the ukraine year 2024 forum. let's listen to what the president said. we have this conversation with the prime minister. and it is based solely on the scarcity of money. if

there is a corresponding deficit, will continue, we will do everything to infrastructure. and it is not only about the cabinet of ministers, so that the management infrastructure of our state is reduced, and this is such a format, we are prepared for it, reducing the number of ministries, reducing number of ministers, easier management, or cheaper, let's say, not easier management, it won't be easier, more coordinated, yes, yes, denys anatovych is right, and that is why we have a completely open dialogue here, and we are ready for... this, i i think that the indicator will be the understanding that we will have in the spring, a little later, a month or two, we will understand everything. mr. maksym, if zelensky had said this two years ago, exactly two years ago, it would still be possible to somehow, well, accept the plans there that we need to reduce the apparatus, because we have large expenses on defense, and we need to do everything to

ensure that this defense is strong, in general it would be somehow understandable, and the fact that in the third year of the great war... the president says that, well, so far we do not know whether shall we cut back, or shall we not cut , is ukraine now living the way a state should live in the conditions of a full-scale war, when economy is really too important for the future of ukraine, not even for the government, but for the future of ukraine? well, i think that this uncertainty, which i actually expressed, declared. the president in this situation, it is mainly related to the sources of funding of the ukrainian state, and as you know, these sources today mainly have the character of foreign, foreign aid or foreign borrowings, it is not a secret, and this is , so to speak

, a key issue on the agenda now, that this aid and these borrowings, they are today... a big question mark that is standing there in washington, er, therefore, i think that this, so to speak, variability, which er president zelensky is talking about, is connected with this , and so to speak, eh, at he exchanges remarks with the officials of his office and his, relatively speaking, cabinet of ministers, but when answering the question of whether ukraine lives today as ee... the circumstances require it, it is actually a very difficult question, because there are a lot of pros and cons such economy, i would also mention the very popular thesis about the transfer of the economy to war rails, these are all complex economic issues in fact, and everything is, so to speak

, concentrated in the issue of the survival of the community, survival. nation, and here it is necessary to skillfully, so to speak, balance. it is clear that the reduction two or three officials in the cabinet of ministers does not solve this problem, although it gives a very good, so to speak, electoral effect, public information effect, but it is obvious that the issue lies much deeper, it is obvious that from where, in case of the need for savings, the state is not just it has to give up some...officials, and some even its state functions, some functions it will not be able to provide financially, but i think that until such and such ee...dialogue with these on this issue and such recognition of this problem the government is not ready yet. thank you, mr. igor , what do you think about the possible reduction or

reformatting of the authorities, is this authority really an operator there, in the receipt of funds, that is, this large apparatus must somehow administer, properly monitor it, and accordingly, what zelensky does not want to destroy what... which somehow works in the current situation, because you can treat government officials differently there, well, most of them are just non-public people, most citizens do not even imagine who is there now minister of social policy and maybe she plays an important role in the government there, but there are a lot of questions about whether ukraine effectively uses funds, internal funds for support. these institutions, listen, and what is it about, if 25% of our citizens confuse, at least, confuse charles michel and denis shmegel, this is a real story, yes, during polls,

they show photos and get confused, where is our prime minister - minister, but you understand, when we talk about the reduction of the state apparatus, here we still have to separate these things, if we are talking exclusively about the cabinet of ministers, the cabinet of ministers, then some optimization, there is the unification of certain ministers'. whether their liquidation is there, it is possible, and in principle we can talk about it even during the legal regime of martial law, but all this must be done very carefully, because we very often have similar optimizations, when two ministries are combined there, in fact, it ends the fact that the bureaucratic apparatus of all ministries, on the contrary, well, this one, or rather the ministry, is larger than the previous two taken separately, this is the first, yes, and the second, if we are talking about the civil service in as a whole i, for example, am here a categorical opponent of any reductions for one simple reason: where can we cut even further? in our country and so, if you look at the number of the same civil servants in relation to

the total population, under all conditions, despite the fact that some part went abroad, we understand all this perfectly, but it is absolutely low and even very small, compared, for example, with most of the countries of the european union, moreover, those people who are currently working in the public service, they do not carry any... no constitute, more precisely, some kind of big burden, for example, on the state budget, because they do not work full-time, they have been cut, all extra payments have been cut, well, i am speaking of course about the lower average level, the lower and middle level of the civil service, well, maybe there political appointees in category a, the situation is different, and everyone else, well, the situation is bad, and it has been bad for many years, and at the same time these people are professionals in their field, and they are highly qualified workers, if you remove them now ... that is just throw them out on the market and let them look for something else there, the state will then have problems, because on the one hand, i absolutely support the need to transfer part of the functions, part of the powers to the state

, for example, to the third sector, which is again a very widespread in the countries of the european union, but this should be done taking into account the end of the war, for example, and the continuation of our european integration to the eu. today it is simply impossible to do, we will have odi. colossal just such, you know, the gaps and the lack of people in order to organize the normal implementation by the state, well, the functions entrusted to it, well , not to go too far, you mentioned there the minister of social policy, for example, the ministry of profile and so on, in even in the context of the rehabilitation of the military , today we lack a huge number of civil servants who will be the paper workers who will deal with this, who will give the opportunity to our... boys and girls who return from the front, to receive the guarantees that the state and all of us should provide them. that's why talking now just about mechanical reduction , it seems to me that this is not a very correct story, although

i agree that it can be well politically and populistically twisted and presented to ukrainians as a great victory and great savings, because in the end, our politicians are very they like to manipulate and tell that we will remove some of the bureaucrats, and then we will have some colossal cost savings and we will all recover very well, but in fact it will not be like that... in fact there will be very big problems. thank you, mr. igor. one more statement will be commented on quite briefly, i hope we will have time. dmytro kuleba said that he called, or rather, ukrainians who are abroad, to return and help defend the state. in an interview with the irish times, he said: "we respect the individual choice of each person, but we also call on all ukrainians who have left the country." to consider returning home after the start of a full-scale invasion, we understand that some people may not have that choice due to health or other personal circumstances, but

we invite those who have a choice to return and to... help ukraine to fight and survive with their direct personal contribution, do you think, gentlemen, will the kulebs, people who are already living in their third year, respond to this call? are forced to live in europe, and whether or not there should be some other program for the return of ukrainians to ukraine in some way to stimulate this return, mr. maksym, well, to put it very briefly, it is obvious that one can hardly expect such a quick and decisive reaction from the people , which are abroad to this statement from the foreign secretary, i think the incentives to return will be different, a very broad topic for discussion, but i would consider this statement against the background of previous statements when it came to or

information that... it might be appeal to the european countries so that they forcefully expel ukrainians, against the background of the fact that certain categories of ukrainians will have certain problems there with accounts, with passports and everything else, but against this background this is kuleba's statement, it softens it so much this one the position of the state, rather than sounds like some kind of demand or. or a strong request, thank you, mr. igor, you know, it’s like a game of good and bad policeman, yes, first we have the statements of some advisers of the office, and now the statement of the hesitation, it is logical, it is expected, it is correct, i somehow support the idea of ​​certain measures to stimulate the return of our fellow citizens who are abroad, the only thing is that we need to approach it precisely, first of all , to help those who have lost, for example,

their housing, yes, they... but really for such reasons , that they have nowhere to go back to, there is no work there, for example, and so on, and for everything else, such a question must be approached very carefully, because, unfortunately, i have already seen in certain polls, for example, the position of those the ukrainians who remained in ukraine did not leave anywhere, and believe me, this position is sometimes so complementary in relation to those who left, in what sense, not in the sense that they are some kind of traitors there, no, not in any way , everyone supports, recognizes such a right, but for example, in relation to additional some benefits to those who return, this is ambiguously perceived by a large part of ukrainian society, because they say that everyone should be in equal conditions, both those who stayed and those who left, yes, that is, everyone should bear some kind of equal burden, but especially for the women there with children who left and so on, of course it is necessary to start certain programs now that will stimulate them to return, and by the way, this could be a separate block at the

forum that took place recently, but unfortunately ,... we don't have any specifics heard, well, against the background of problems even with internally displaced persons, well there, and they periodically arise in our country, we understand that until the end of the war, well at least there yes, before the formalization of the end of this war, we should expect some kind of mass return, well, probably it's not worth it, thank you mr. igor, igor reiterovych and maksym rozumny were guests of our program today, thank you for participating in the program, gentlemen, during this program we conducted a survey, we asked you about whether russia is capable of... provoking the maidan in ukraine 3, yes, no, uh, there were options for answers, now let's look at the results of the television survey, 15% yes, 85% - no, on youtube 17%, yes, no, 83%. these are the results of today's survey, we will meet with you tomorrow at 20:00, i wish everyone good health, take care of yourself and your relatives. goodbye. the disgusting poster on

the blocked border shocked ukrainians. provocateurs demand that putin deal with ukraine. but unexpectedly, the provocation played against the provocateurs themselves. polish social networks also exploded with indignation. those who are still completely recently supported the blockade of the border, renounce their words. indeed, protest, but do not bring shame to the whole world. putin is your hero, sweep russia. the russians will be ecstatic. that's right, it will look like the poles are supporting russia. is the soviet flag a joke? i don't like these. and the farmer should know what the ussr did to the poles. this inscription opened my eyes. i no longer support the farmers' protest. many poles finally understood, they were dragged into a terrible russian special operation so that politicians and special services.