or cheaper, let's put it this way, management is not easier, it will not be easier, more coordinated , yes, yes, denis anatovych is right, and that is why we have a completely open dialogue here, and we are ready for it, i think that the indicator will be the understanding that we we will have it in the spring, a little later, a month or two, we will understand everything. mr. maksym, if zelensky had said this two years ago, exactly two years ago, would it be possible to somehow, well, perceive... there are plans to reduce the apparatus, because we have large expenditures on defense, and we have to do everything in order for this defense to be strong, because it would still be possible to somehow understand, and the fact that in the third year of the great war the president says that, well, for now we don't know whether we will cut back or not cut back, whether ukraine lives now the way a state should live conditions of full-scale war, when economy is really all too important. for the future of ukraine, not even

for the authorities, but for the future of ukraine? well, i think that this uncertainty, which was actually expressed and declared by the president in this situation, is mainly related to the sources of financing of the ukrainian states, and as you know, today these sources are mostly external in nature, foreign aid or external. borrowing, it's not a secret, and it's so to speak, now the key issue is on the agenda, that this aid and this these borrowings, they are under a big question mark today that is there in washington, so i think that this is related to this, so to speak, variability that president zelenskyy talks about, and so to speak, at the same time...

is replaced by remarks with officials of his office and his, relatively speaking, cabinet ministers, but when answering the question of whether ukraine lives today as the circumstances require, a very difficult question in fact, because there are many pros and cons of such an economy, i would also mention the very popular thesis about the transition of the economy to war. all these are actually complex economic issues and everything , so to speak, is concentrated in the issue of the survival of the community, the survival of the nation, and here it is necessary to skillfully, so to speak, balance, it is clear that the reduction of two or three officials in the cabinet of ministers does not solve this problem, although this gives a very good, so to speak, electoral effect, public... mation

effect, but it is obvious that the issue lies much deeper, it is obvious that it leads in case of the need for savings, the state should not just give up some officials, but some even its state functions, it will not be able to provide some functions financially, but i think that before such a dialogue with these on this issue and before such recognition. the authorities are not yet ready for this problem. thank you, mr. igor, what do you think about a possible reduction or change reformatting of the authorities, is this authority really an operator there, in the inflow of funds, that is , this large apparatus must somehow administer, properly monitor it, well, accordingly, that zelensky does not want to destroy what is somehow working in the current situation, therefore what...

you can treat government officials differently there, well, most of them are just people who are not public, most citizens do not even imagine who is currently the minister of social policy there, and maybe she plays an important role in the government there , but a lot of questions a lot about whether ukraine effectively uses funds, domestic funds to support these institutions, listen, what is it about if we have 25%. citizens are confused, at least charles michel and denis shmegel are confused, this is a real story, yes, during polls, they show photos, and they are confused where our prime minister is, but you understand when we talk about the reduction of the state apparatus, here it is still necessary to separate these things, if we are talking exclusively about the cabinet of ministers, the cabinet of ministers, then some optimization, there is the unification of certain there are some ministries or their liquidation, it is possible, and in principle we can talk about it. even during the legal regime

of martial law, but all this must be done very carefully, since in our country very often such optimizations, when two ministries are combined there, actually end. the fact that the bureaucratic apparatus of all ministries , on the contrary, well, this one, or rather, the ministries, is larger than the previous two taken separately, this is the first, yes, and the second, if we are talking about the civil service as a whole, i, for example, am categorical here opponent some reductions for one simple reason, and where to cut even further, in our country and so, if you look at the number of the same civil servants in relation to the total population under all conditions, despite the fact that some part went abroad, we are all fine we understand, but... but it is absolutely low and even very small, compared, for example, to most countries of the european union, moreover, those people who are currently working in the public service, they do not carry any, do not constitute, or rather some kind of heavy burden, for example on the state budget, because they do not work

full-time, they have been cut, all extra payments have been cut, of course i am talking about the lower and middle level of the lower middle level of the civil service, well, maybe there is a situation with political appointees of category a . another, and for everyone else, well, the situation is bad, and it has been bad for many years, and at the same time, these people are professionals in their field, and they are highly qualified workers, if you remove them now, that is, throw them away to the market and let them look for something else there, the state will then have problems, because on the one hand i absolutely support the need to transfer part of the functions, part of the powers to the state, for example to the third sector, which is again a very common trend in the countries of the european of the union but this should be done taking into account the end of the war, for example, and the continuation of our european integration into the eu. today it is simply impossible to do, we will then have colossal ones just, you know, the gaps and the lack of people in order

to organize the normal performance by the state, well, of the functions assigned to it, well , not to go too far, you mentioned there, the minister of social policy, for example, the relevant ministries and so on. even in the context of the rehabilitation of the military, we currently lack a huge number of civil servants who will deal with these papers, who will give the opportunity to our boys and girls who return from the front to receive those the guarantees that the state and all of us must provide them, that's why talking now just about a mechanical reduction, it seems to me that this is not a very correct story, although i agree that it can be well politically and populistically twisted and presented to the ukrainians, it's like a big... victory and great savings, because in the end our politicians really like to manipulate and tell us that we will remove some of the bureaucrats, and then we will have some colossal cost savings and we will all recover very well, but in fact it will not be like that, in fact there will be very big problems. thank you, mr. igor, one more statement will be commented on quite briefly, i hope we

will have time. dmytro kuleba said that he called, or rather, ukrainians who are abroad, to return and help defend the state, he... to the irish times, he said: "we respect the individual choice of each person, but we also call on all ukrainians, who have left the country before a full-scale invasion to consider returning home we understand that some people may not have that choice due to health or other personal circumstances, but those who have a choice, we invite to return and help ukraine fight and survive with their direct personal contribution, how? do you think, gentlemen , will the kulebs respond to this call, people who are already living in the third year, forced to live in europe, and whether or not there should be some other program for the return of ukrainians to ukraine, in

what way to stimulate this return, mr. maksym , well, to be very brief, it is obvious that one can hardly expect any... uh, such a quick and decisive reaction from people who are abroad to this statement by the foreign minister, uh, i think the incentives to return will be different, a very broad topic for discussion, but i would consider this statement against the background of previous statements when it came to or information that ukraine might be appeal to european countries so that they forcibly... deport ukrainians against the background of the fact that certain categories of ukrainians will have certain problems there with accounts, with passports and everything else. it is against this background that this statement of kuleba softens it so much

the position of the state, than, rather than, sounds like some kind of demand or a strong request. thank you, mr. igor. well, you know, it's like a game of good and bad policeman, yes, first we have the statements of some advisers of the office, and now the statement of the hesitation, it's logical, it's expected, it's correct, i somehow support it. the idea of ​​certain measures to stimulate the return of our fellow citizens who are abroad, the only thing that needs to be approached here is to help those who have lost, for example, housing, yes, they really left such reasons that they have nowhere to return to, there is no work there, for example, and so on, and for everything else, such, such a question must be approached very carefully, because, unfortunately, i have already seen in certain surveys, for example, the position of those ukrainians who remained in ukraine, i am not leaving anywhere. and believe me, this position is not very sometimes so complementary in relation to those who left, in what sense, not in

the sense that they are some kind of traitors, no, in no way, everyone supports, recognizes such a right, but, for example, regarding additional ones benefits to those who return, this is ambiguously perceived by a significant part of ukrainian society, because they say that everyone should be in equal conditions, both those who stayed and those who left, yes, that is, everyone should bear some kind of equal burden, but for especially women there with... children who left and so on, of course, it is necessary to start certain programs now that will stimulate them to return, and by the way, this could be a separate block on the forum that recently took place, but unfortunately we no specifics were heard there, well, against the background of problems even with internally displaced persons, well, there, and they periodically arise in our country, we understand that until the end of the war, well, at least there, before the formalization of the end of this war, to expect some mass return, well, probably not worth it, thanks.

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good evening, we are from ukraine, yes, and we are starting, this is a big episode on the espresso tv channel, i did not hear all the sounds and did not immediately pay attention to you, there are many important conversations today, important topics that we will discuss, well, first of all in transnistria for some reason they mentioned the existence of putin and russia and , in my opinion, they want to be with russia, at least we will actively discuss this topic and ask the opinion of experts about whether may now break out with the help of russia in transnistria, we will discuss many other important topics, well, let's start with the announcement of the collection. espresso, espresso is calling to join the collection on buggies for evacuating the wounded and transporting combat kits,

as well as for car and trench rebs for the 12th separate special forces unit. our defenders destroy the enemy in the eastern direction every day. this collection will help save human lives and increase the efficiency of the unit. so join in, every donation strengthens the shield, with which we restrain the aggressor. our goal is uah 480,000. and for yesterday evening we have already collected almost more than 30,000 hryvnias, if we move forward at this pace, then we will definitely close this issue for the armed forces of ukraine in the near future with your help and your grace. well, we will start the conversation with, well , the enemy attacked various regions of ukraine, unfortunately, today it flew over the center of kopyansk, there are dead and wounded, but at night the enemy attacked odesa, and about the situation in odesa related to shelling, well, we will also discuss other topics of odesa with serhiy bratchuk, spokesman of the ukrainian volunteer army south, mr. serhiy, i congratulate you, glory

to ukraine, glory to the armed forces, congratulations, glory to the heroes, let's start with the night, night shelling of odessa. i read that it was possible to shoot down nine drones in the sky, well , there are also some consequences of this attack, the hit , from what you can tell, please tell us, absolutely true, in the evening the enemy tried, the night before , which kamikaze drones showed a one hundred percent result in air defense forces and mobile fire group, nine shaheds were destroyed, one still got lost somewhere... it was destroyed in the mykolayiv region, that is, at 10:10, this is what the air force already reported later this morning, a downed drone, its debris hit, unfortunately, on to one of the critical infrastructure objects in a small substation, and several nearby objects were turned off, a ritual operation was carried out, there was a fire, but

the rescuers once again worked out a clear algorithm of actions and quickly extinguished this fire. most importantly, there are no casualties, where the electricity was cut off, it was already restored there, it was quite quick , so the consequences are there, but of course they could have been greater, so that this attack was not repelled, but the continuation was literally already in the morning, somewhere close to 5 o'clock , the enemy brought the carcasses to the starting lines, that is, tu bombers that took off from the depths of the territory of the russian federation, tu-22m, as usual. and a rather interesting story happened, interesting because for us it is with a plus sign, because there was no bombing, although the threat was precisely the use of x22 missiles, very powerful, but not accurate, there is preliminary information that this is a radio interception, that one missile somehow behaved like this, let's say, strangely, and

given this emergency situation for the russians, they turned the planes already from .. from the launch lines they returned to their airfields, in fact, the day before , the enemy’s aerial reconnaissance was very active, and in particular now , including a reconnaissance drone, the previous information is also located somewhere approximately in the vicinity of the snake island, maybe now they will to collect intelligence in order to prepare another shelling, everything is clear here, the war continues, the threat of missile strikes is constant, well, actually, this is the situation in our country. there are no missile carriers at sea, there is also a certain such tradition, it is also very easy to explain, missile carriers are in the port of novorossiysk, calibers are saving, they are trying to restore logistics for equipping calibers, because the one in sevastopol is not convenient enough, rather dangerous for the enemy, well in fact, we are entering the evening with such a situation, i say once again,

the enemy's air reconnaissance has been activated, and i by the way, i also read before this that the enemy was planning a large-scale shelling, but here... precisely in connection with the destruction by our glorious armed forces of their axis a50 reconnaissance plane, they postponed this story of theirs, well, we see something wrong with them again consists of that, but let's believe that we will help, well, not us, our armed forces will help them so that they don't have any further problems, it's so important, well, the story is interesting, because it made a lot of noise and scared many people, a recidivist was detained there in odesa, who disguised himself as a law enforcement officer, terrorized. local population, but managed to allegedly detain , maybe something more is known about this character, so absolutely true, he covered himself with an identity card, of course, it was fake, an identity card of one of ours, i consider the best in the history of ukraine, the services, the security services of ukraine, actually the law enforcement officers and detained with these physical evidences,

including the weapons you see, and the amount that the volunteers had to hand over to the armed forces, by the way. ukraine for the purchase of the necessary equipment, well, actually the story ended as it should have to end for a person who can be safely called a nasty pet, so i hope that such stories, well, if there are no more, then at least we will know about them for sure, because, unfortunately, there are such cases, but the main thing is to delay and work out, by the way , given that today is the birthday of a very respectable person. the head of our security service of ukraine, joining in all the greetings, the service in odesa also worked, in particular, because there is only one. well, they say a famous blogger, i don't know, for me it's not special, but that's not it less, yesterday i filmed the work of the air defense forces accordingly, people posted it all

in the chat on the telegram channel, the service responded immediately, today, as they say, an apology arrived, do odessa believe this apology, to be honest, not very much, and they demand it, well, if not blood, but a more serious punishment for such people, well , the main thing is what they found. i am sure that in the near future she will definitely not shoot anything like that and the service has worked, so you see, unfortunately, such cases still happen , they have not happened for a long time, so the situation in our here is one, and this is by the way, to say that how important is the work of law enforcement officers, well , including the security service of ukraine and the police in the regions, because well, this is about the issue of mobilization, it is difficult, we will not raise it now, but let's take everyone to the front, let's go, and then such recidivists will simply walk around and people will be defenseless. in front of them, so everything should be wise, because we know very well that the criminal is also watching, where it becomes a little more free on the criminal front, i absolutely support it, the police

are fighting all the more, i have a lot of acquaintances, friends who are part of the police, for example , the same brigade of people, fight and show courage and show heroism, but even such people must be caught by someone, and there must be specialists, we literally have a few minutes, i have one question to move on to another topic, only later... but this unrecognized transnistria says that russia will help, very briefly, is there a threat that russia can advance, well, it is through odesa that we must advance on transnistria, first of all, through odessa, as well as everything that happens around odessa from the mouth of the so-called medvedev, this also seems more hysteria to me, and as for transnistria, you know, in reality it sounds like other words, return the contraband to us, but in fact it is somehow like that because of populism, because of such political hysteria, thank you very much. brachuk, spokesperson of the ukrainian volunteer army south. briefly about the situation in odesa. we now turn to this topic. well, you see, mr. brachuk, give us back the contraband. but this whole story of return the contraband there,

as they say, is dressed in such very beautiful political and ideological robes. and now about these let's talk with mariyana prysizhniuk, a correspondent of the central committee, who was actually in teraspol, in the capital of this unrecognized enclave, this, well, it's called the transnistrian republic of moldova, but we understand that it's moldova. simply a pro-russian enclave within moldova , mrs. mariano, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, thank you for the invitation right away, i was clarifying, not today, but not today, but i already understood, well , i will say very briefly that the call was made by the leadership of this unrecognized pmr , to the point that moldova's pressure increased, and so did they i think they are asking russia for this, they are also asking the un and the red cross, they are asking the european parliament, but we also understand that they are asking russia to help, because yes... 22,000 russians, as they say, need to be saved , what is it, what is it called and what can it continue, how do they react to it in principle in transnistria itself, well

, today a very interesting event took place, a congress of transnistrian deputies, as they say, of all levels, from all villages came to teraspol, the so-called elected officials, but i, i would say that this one congress, in comparison with the previous ones, when they really happened. which events are serious for the national security of moldova and regional security in general, when the referendum was held in 2006, the congress also conveyed this. this time, i would not say that this is a kind of harbinger of something serious and some serious challenge. i would say that the meetings that took place on the eve of this congress can be evaluated before the harbinger of serious transformations. taraspil was visited, for example, by a representative of the us state department. politics of eastern europe christopher smith, well, when such a political figure personally visits teraspol, i think that the consequences, both political and for the

settlement process, will be very soon and very radical. this was also preceded by the visit of the ukrainian ambassador on extraordinary assignments paun ruguvey to teraspol, and among other things, the ukrainian side stated that a large number of ukrainians live in transnistria, so it is necessary... to restore the ukrainian consulate abroad, so who who will be protected and to what extent, i largely agree with the previous one here speaker, that this is an economic story around propaganda, but around, excuse me, around economic interests, around this unauthorized trade that has been going on for 30 years, and here it is interesting that, after all, moldova has repeatedly stated that transnistria in the context european integration will not be an obstacle, and local economic agents, nevertheless, who

carried out their iso. economic activity with russia, by the way, and with europe, they did it on behalf of the republic of moldova, therefore , based on such diplomatic statements as on at the level of kishenev, and at the level of brussels, and at the level of this dynamic that was happening all this time, i think that certain groups were ready for this, well, i mean, first of all, such a monopoly that the company created sharif sheriff, but here it is... it is also worth noting such a nuance that transnistria is often called the republic of sherif, taking the russian factor out of bounds, i always correct, i say that this is not the republic of sherif, it is the republic of the fsb, because corruption, of course, is a very big problem for any country, but when it is present on the territory of the country military presence, on the territory of a neutral country, neutrality, where it is written in the constitution, russia... keeps

its contingents, forms quasi-contingents, to talk about the problem of some kind of corruption, well , it is inadequate, it is called a derivative in mathematics, that is, the problem lies in something else, the problem lies in the fact that transnistria is, after all, a republic of the fsb, not the sheriff republic, and therefore i think that this redistribution of control over quasi-assets that is happening now, that it is connected with internal processes, as in transnistria itself . so with internal processes in the republic of moldova itself, well, of course, this is all very relevant to the national interests of ukraine and romania, please note that bucharest does not comment on this situation in any way at all, because romania, which rightly considers the republic of moldova a part of the romanian-speaking cultural space, is very it is beneficial for

ukraine to play the eastern role in the regulation of this process, it is also beneficial for ukraine, it is beneficial for the united states of america, that is, to solve this problem with the hands of ukraine. well, i think that would be fair because in all of this good-neighborly architecture, only ukraine currently has a vision for the future of transnistria, so i think that transnistria still has a year at most, because from 2025 ukraine has already announced its intention to suspend russian transit of russian gas, and this is... actually the only the condition of existence, the only condition of money and the only condition due to which transnistria holds, mrs. mariana, we have to put a full stop, i thank you very much, well, you explained in detail, in general, all these internal maps revealed to us what is happening there, and now we understand more clearly this situation here there is little ideology in politics, more, more economics and the desire to make a living somewhere , mariana prisizhniuk, a correspondent of the central committee from chisinau, the capital of moldova, well, she actually

told the story... the event that happened in teraspol, the capital of the enclave, which no one in the world, except here are these enclaves of russians in georgia , there, the one that she captured, but no one recognizes it, well, that is, russia does not recognize it either , it exists, that’s why you can’t say that it’s some kind of entity, they call themselves the transnistrian-moldavian republic, there is the russian contingent, which at different times, well, at most there were about six... thousand or so servicemen of the russian federation, so they say, there are four or something thousand of them, well, actually, this is a completely frivolous contingent in order to, well, destabilize the situation is possible, but again, these must be prepared saboteurs, people from well, let's say it happened in crimea, when russia began to occupy the ukrainian crimea, and with all the nuances of this situation, these were prepared people, we saw this work, actually they landed

they knew what to do, who for... to act from the locals, these cossacks ran there shouting putin from action, russia forever, stones from the sky, we remember it, but it was organized work by people who were trained, prepared, had contacts, had coordination among themselves, and by the way with local collaborators, and people who worked in the security service of ukraine on the territory of crimea back then in the 14th year, and in law enforcement agencies, that is to say, in the police back then, and so it's easy, as they say, to make from scratch, that's it... impossible, even despite the fact that there is moldova, let's say, it is not a country that has a huge army and there is a huge security force, but it is a country that i think can cope with it, but here is an interesting story that in a year in 25- this year, the deadline for gas transportation on the territory of ukraine, russian gas, and the gas transportation system of ukraine expires, and the question is already this , and where will this gas be taken, well, as for smuggling, i have friends in chernivtsi, they always said that if something disappears into...