[000:00:00;00] distance in scanning the territory of our country, this is how it happened, of course, another plane arrived and began to perform tasks next to it, as usual il-22, well, but now, after the downing of this a50, we no longer observe these planes at all, so far in airspace , well, there is no specific information at the moment, well , it definitely wasn't there yesterday, i didn't see that the a50 was there this morning either, that is , they thought about it, stopped carrying out the tasks of this. this special technique may not have, it is impractical to use it now, it to operate in this region, that's why such things also happen with planes that carry out their own bombardment of the territory with guided aerial bombs, the same, the pilots, when they understand, well, not only the pilots, their leadership there, that there is a threat here, accordingly, they will refuse performing tasks in this region, they will not risk

themselves... bots that can eventually complete the task a little by dragging it 10 km further and dropping bombs from there that will no longer fly, maybe not at the target, there have been such cases as well fixed, well, everyone has their own fear and so on, so even the psychological factor on the russian pilots who were there, who saw all this happening, is certainly present. well, it is difficult to say here now , i would still like to hear from you, because our analysts note that... however, so far we have not observed such a direct decrease in activity, dropping of cabs to our positions, as if even in the avdiivka area , well, there is a little amplification, or somehow you also record it that way, well, that is, after such a series of shooting down of planes, we still see is it really possible for these bombers to fly less, or we don't see it yet, they are flying, but they are flying less,

you will understand correctly that they spent a huge number of air bombs, air bombs, well of those guided aerial bombs, there was a huge number of aircraft, and therefore the actual intensity of combat work was serious, well, accordingly, they lost a larger number, a large amount of equipment in that period, of course , after our troops eventually moved away from this populated place, which the enemy actually completely destroyed the living space there... there is no, well, the enemy continued to use aviation, the attacks by the kaba continued, but, well, there are many times fewer hits, here the intensity in this front line, of course, has decreased, but yet the enemy continues to do so. tell me, can you estimate in some way when this might be applied, well, for example, there, i don't know, the reduction of the ability of the russians to use kabi, that's

what it depends on. that is, how can we record that we will achieve such a goal and indeed, well, it will stop, for example, the use of kabi, well, it can be estimated somehow, i already partially told you that it is necessary for the enemy to refuse to carry out the task when they lose a certain amount of aviation, well , a certain amount, how many would you say, 20, 30, how many of these planes do they have, you know, a normal state will lose 5% of planes and give up, understand that this is the one, that this is the way. where it will be lost, you can be left with nothing at all, and these are also modern 134, 135 aircraft, these are the main aircraft that they have in service, which, unfortunately, they managed to to build , thus it is difficult to predict which, at what percentage they will stop, well, even more so, russia continues to manufacture these missiles, do not forget that last year they also delivered su-30s and su-34s in not such a large quantity, but still they were put in the army,

plus they have some plans for export. well, that's why everything depends on how many weapons, long-range anti-aircraft armor systems we will have, what ukraine is talking about today, the whole world is saying that ukraine needs more systems, especially air defense, in order to, well projectiles are definitely what deters the enemy from being so offensive, but still air defenses will deter the russian air force and helicopters and planes that won't be able to do the job knowing what's here... the system, so something a little, yes , you can talk, it seems to me that a normal connection has already appeared, and i have already completed the thought, well, i say, we need more systems that can deter russian aviation, the main task of the air force is to prevent the appearance of russian aviation, their containment in our airspace , so we don’t have the right to prevent them from getting here , we don’t have the right, well, you know,

this story is certainly ungrateful, to count the planes that... but do you have, or do you know, data on how many russians have such in general new, well, more modern ones and su 34 su 35 and such planes are close by. there were hundreds somewhere, maybe more than a hundred, as of which, according to the most recent information, which is less than the su-35, the su-35 aircraft is even newer, it provides its own cover, it covers the su-34, the fighter cover is called as such in general, if you take into account all the combat aviation that they have in russia, it is about 1,500 units, which, well, they do not perform tasks directly in our direction on... devices of various types, these are those that we called the minsk direction, i mean, these are aircraft that are scattered throughout the territory of russia, so there are groups of about 300 flying 2 su-34, su-35, also su-25th, su-24, mig-29,

su-27, su-30, e- er, su-25, i think i have already named it, and you know that they also have strategic aviation tu-22m3, tu-95, tu-160, these are helicopters army aviation. we take into account the k-52, mi-24, mi-35 there. the actual aviation group that was located around our borders, i mean both belarus and russia, not at the borders themselves, at a certain distance, has about 300 aircraft and approximately the same number of helicopters at various sites. well, yes, this is such an artificial destruction, it is difficult to knock everything out. yes, i want to talk a little differently, specifically about the missile and drone attacks on ukraine, but there is still such a difference, we are just citizens we are watching, but how do you evaluate it, if

you compare, for example, the last two months with what was in november, december, with what was at this time last year, how has it changed, well, if you can say so , some approach of russia. to the attacks on ukraine , how their capabilities have changed , in general, what useful conclusions can be drawn , such a question can be answered in two hours, well, yes, i understand, nothing has changed here, especially, they are attacking us, they have attacked us and so far that will attack, unfortunately, our capabilities are more in the plan the creation of mobile fire groups, there are certain problems with ammunition, we understand this very well not only with ground, but also with anti-aircraft guided missiles, precisely... mobile war groups allow us to save on anti-aircraft guided missiles, which, until the previous question, deter russian aviation at certain distances , they cannot be allowed here, but russia is increasingly using

ballistic weapons, we see that several units of already proven iranian and non- iranian, sorry, north korean missiles have appeared, regarding the iranian ones, the head of the guru told us, that there is no such information. here. that is why russia strikes traditionally with shaheds, several dozen shaheds actually fly there, well , from 10 or more, for example, kh-59, s-300 missiles in the front-line regions, well, there are already several iskanders at the point where they deem it necessary, unfortunately, well, they strike, namely these north korean missiles, well , we saw their use once. have we noticed any more, that is, is this application just so massive now? we don't know what about the types of targets that are flying i just said, a few missiles have been proven, the rest

we don't know what targets are flying only after we study the units, and well, not the air force, the air force only sees points on the markers on the monitors, so the ballistics are flying, what kind of ballistics is this, it is unknown, it can only be found out. then, when it falls, we will see the debris, well, not us, certain specialists who are engaged in the study of these debris, then we can already say for sure what it was, because the parameters of the ballistic flight are actually the same, say, north korean missiles, well, somehow, well, just different from the fact that russia can now apply its own, well, actually, that is, worse, better, well, in this regard, i just answered you, we can see it when we examine the ula. well, i 'm just asking, maybe some conclusions have already been drawn , there were several applications, there was a statement from the prosecutor general's office, or the prosecutor general's office or the kharkiv prosecutor's office, i don't remember now, and in this way it was proved that

it was there, but how is it there? to what extent their parameters differ, i think not too much, well maybe a slightly increased range , well, maybe some more moments, but i want to say that the defense industry, what is north korean, what is this... but uh, okay, let me, yes, yes , thank you, thank you, yuriy ignat, spokesman air force command of ukraine, thank you for joining us. well, actually, we have a pause now, and then we will continue the conversation. an unusual look at the news. good health, ladies and gentlemen, my name is mykola veresen. sharp presentation of facts and competent opinions. and in america they also say, let's make better roads, it would be even better in us. a special look at the events in ukraine, there will be some katsaps on the border of kyiv and beyond. what kind of world does norman dream of, can we imagine it? all this in an informational marathon with mykola veresny.

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please, everyone, any help here will be useful, and we are joined now by kyrylo sazonov, a soldier of the ukrainian armed forces, a political scientist, my colleague to a certain extent, you can say, congratulations, kyrylo, ms. olga, congratulations, i am very glad to see you , i'm frankly bored, yes, i am too, kirill, well, you are there in the area of ​​more kupyan such a direction , so... here i have slightly different, you know , opinions on this matter that are expressed, on the one hand , i see, for example, the statistics of russian attacks for yesterday, and there are a lot of them so i can clearly see that, for example, in the area of ​​avdiyivka, they attack twice as actively, on the other hand, nevertheless, as if for about a week they say that they have resumed active offensive actions, the enemy in the liman direction wants to go to the river. black stallion, how would you describe it in general, it

is still the same, well, they have weakened the attacks, they have not weakened, what is happening with you there, well, in fact , it was very interesting to hear about a week or two ago that the enemy is going to advance in the kupyan direction, wants to take kupyansk nodal and kupyansk, but he has been climbing here since october climbs every day, positions are stormed, shelled every day, a few hours ago cabs fell right on the center of kupyansk. on the cafe and on the church and on the residential quarter, it didn't stop, it is climbing here, a fairly large group is concentrated here, and we look at the reserves that are there, quite large reserves, that is, it does not subside here, there is a constant struggle here, and our the 41st brigade holds the defense very tightly, nearby the 57th also takes part in very tough battles, there are also... separate brigades, well, the 14th, it’s no secret, also

works nearby, our 41st main brigade, which it works here, yes, they try to break through the defenses with an assault every day, every night, every day our guys hold them back, uh, our guys also go and the special forces go on sorties, we also work a little , they fly for us, and today cabs, and not only today, and rockets, and... breakfast, we also respond, and our mortars and drones are constantly working, arta in the 41st is probably the best i've ever seen, it also works on the accumulation of the enemy, in places. locations for logistics, this is such a model of war, i think, for the next few months, and maybe for a year, if help from the allies will not be enough for a counteroffensive, then we will maintain a strong defense and hit the rear, the near rear, which are hit by artillery, the distant objects, which are hit by sbu drones, for example,

and our sabotage groups, that's how it is now it looks like, well, i have also heard different estimates, for example, that now for russia... the priority directions there will be times to advance in the avdiyivka area, well, the ugladar direction, and it seems that they will not be enough at the same time forces to try to capture kupianskyi, they still after all, they will wait for putin's election there, for putin's position, and only after that some kind of mobilization, something like that is possible, what would you say about this, are such expectations not too optimistic? we look at how the russian army was equipped last year on the 23rd, and the same way it will be equipped on the 24th, partial mobilization, hidden mobilization, it is somewhere, well, analysts say, i agree, somewhere around 20%, they still have some left some regular troops, although

most of their personnel potential was negotiated back in the 22nd year, and the bulk some percent, i... 50-60 of the russian military now are mercenaries, this is a much larger part of it, the population of such depressed regions, dagestan, yakutia, buryatia, such poor regions, where the prisoners are now no longer trying to lie to us about maneuvers, they got lost, they didn’t know where they went, they honestly say that they don’t have that kind of money, we don’t have it... we can’t make money anywhere, someone has debts for housing and communal services , for something else, and they say, well, at least we’ll make money here, they pay them enough, they sign contracts , there are criminals, but they are not the majority either, the majority are mercenaries, so there is a new one i don't see the point of mobilization for the russians , because they are now compensating for their losses entirely with mercenaries and

migrants, they also receive a salary , a salary, and russian citizenship as a bonus, that is, that's what we have, so i... don't see any sense for them it is important to strengthen the mobilization while , unfortunately, they use mercenaries to cover holes and press everywhere, yes, avdiivka, bakhmud, klishchiivka, chasivyar, bohdanivka, grihorivka, this is this area, we fought there somewhere, well, for a long time, about a year before we were thrown under kupianskyi, and i have photos with my brothers, from bohdanivka, from hryhorovka, from chasovyar, today the guys sent me photos, they say, do you remember how we filmed there... they used to go to chasyk to rest from bohdanivka, from hryhorovka, i know these cities, yes, it is very hot there now and it is very hot in the avdiiv region, but who can say that it is cool and quiet in zaporizhzhia, for example, in roboton, no one is like that he will say, it is very tough there, the marines who are on the shores on the left bank

kherson oblast, there are also my brothers, my old friends, we are in constant contact, there is also a lot of pressure, and we are also very... very uncomfortable here, that is, the enemy is pressing everywhere, and they are waiting to break through somewhere, somewhere we will tremble, somewhere someone will leak, as they say in our country, somewhere they will be able to break through the defense and the reserves will immediately go there, they are looking for a point where we are not, at the moment, unfortunately, they have the strength to press everywhere, not to attack en masse, as in avdiivka recently, to press and wait, where someone will waver, where the defense will not be strong enough, it seems to me. like that the situation now, huh, and you said such an interesting thing about the fact that there are mostly people, mercenaries, but has that impression changed, their training, well, that is, they are more prepared people, less prepared, how would you assess what has changed regarding the enemy itself, which is actually attacking, because it

also constantly underwent changes during these two years, then it was some kind of professional military, then it was mobilized there, that is, different categories. how would you describe them now? olya, i will say that nothing has changed in the last two weeks, and nothing has changed in the last month, from what you have seen during that time, that you are already at the front yourself, that's how it is at the time, the professional russian army was the first to be destroyed , about 40 thousand who entered first were the most well- equipped, prepared, then they had a period when these people who were mobilized, who were trained for a week, really left, because of the strength, it was very little and they were the first to leave, now there are also such units, they are mobilized mostly from the occupied territories, donetsk region, luhansk region. they are thrown first and they are poorly equipped, this happens, simply to open up our fire positions, because it is in the 41st thunder brigade, our

tactical unit is a fire support company, we have machine guns, an anti-tank group, drones, mortars everywhere, so we work with all units and we see that sometimes you just need to open up where our mortars are, where the machine gunner is sitting, where the positions are, they throw those who don’t feel sorry for when they already have... an idea of ​​our positions is being followed by small groups of more trained soldiers, and the main mass is already all the same, there are prepared ones, that's all, no shit, no stupid rusnyakovs, there is a sufficiently prepared army, it differs from those who entered in february, in march of the 22nd year in that they are not just prepared, they have already fought in this war, in the modern war, about which our boys, my brothers , veterans who have been fighting since the 14th year say that now the war... is very different from the war of the 15th and 16th years, everything has changed very much, very new realities, so the one who is fighting now has a modern experience,

the most a dangerous enemy and the most beautiful ally, so, well, i, for example, very ironically i feel that when our guys go to study in poland, lithuania, great britain, with all due respect, our guys here have the experience of the very modern, exactly this war with russia, exactly in this area, they will be the best to train reinforcements, than any... special forces, a police officer or a military instructor somewhere in other conditions, who saw the war two years ago, three years, five years ago, that's it, so we are fighting with a sufficiently prepared, sufficiently equipped, well-trained enemy, unfortunately, i will, you understand, that i myself donetska, then i lived in buch, i don't have any warm feelings for the russians, i just hate them, that's why i put my laptop away and am already working with weapons, but i have to say that yes, it's quite tough there, quite strong the enemy, and sometimes we are even forced

to respect them for the way in fact, the three of them can hold zelenka, hold the dugout, call fire on us, and we storm them with eight, and it is very difficult, the enemy is very strict, you should not underestimate him, and that's why we are now very tense for such posts in social networks, for journalistic materials, stomping russian woman. shmoni, undressed, undressed, undressed, our positions are climbing, and we put them here in stacks, not always so easily, not always so beautifully, especially since there are still more of them, they have more shells, not like on at the beginning of the 22nd, then it was just a gesture to answer, there was almost nothing, but they, as before, have more shells, more everything, we compensate, well , i cry for victory, because we have nothing to throw here, because this is our land and every guy defends his home, it is with me guys next to me from kharkiv, from mykolaiv, there are guys from odesa, many from kirovohrad oblast, there are kyivans, there are buchanans, our

erpenians, there are guys from lviv, from frankiv oblast, there are even hungarians from zakarpattia, it is sometimes very difficult to understand them in their language, but everyone is not defending kupyansk , they defend, not kupyansk in zlavy, as they defended not bakhmut then, in everyone defends his home, we understand that rosnyany will stop, they will climb, climb, they will climb as far as we will let them. let's get here now, but the enemy is quite, quite heavy, but tell me that now it's still with shells, because it's at a certain moment , the situation was completely desperate, now it has evened out, it has not evened out , well, that is, however you would like to estimate it, it has evened out and there was parity, when the russians shouted that the ukrainians have as many shells as we do, it is not fair, it is unfair, our counter-multiple struggle was almost always won. very hard, it was somewhere at the beginning of the summer, somewhere in the middle, there was july, something like that, that's when we reached not even parity, we

also had a little less, but eh, well, i judge again by the 41st brigade of the party , but also on others and from the 115th to the 57th, with which they worked, we have a lot of people in our artillery, i met a lot of compatriots from donetsk region there, because there are a lot of boys and girls from technical education there. or medium or higher , and they work on art, well, our experienced guys are already grinding them, and our rear works much more effectively, especially, of course, with western, western ammunition, with western barrels, that is, if to hit the target, instructions, theoretically there are three shots, ours are covered from the second, sometimes from the first, the same our mortars themselves work very, very well, so what the mob... spends time and a few volleys on, ours work faster, we have much better trained gunners,

we have new guns, again from the allies, new ammunition, that the same scalibur. which covers the range, and artillery duels , battle of batteries, battle of mortars are the same, this is, how to say it censoriously, now the principle, well , it does not sound censorious, censorious - it hit so and so and run away, it looks like this, for now it will be on you right away otvetka, precisely with each other and a sniper and artillery work like this, ours work quickly, left according to the coordinates, the drones were removed, worked and quickly left, they are flying over that city, but they are no longer there, recently guys, we were delayed a little bit, we had to evacuate for a while, it was very muddy , we got out there, and the delay is bad , so yes, we have to work quickly, and it helps us, unfortunately, some of what was based on western concepts, on western weapons, does not work as planned, so, for example , self-propelled tracked mortars, orta, this is very

cool, very cool, no one expected that especially... they leave a mark in the snow , this is the verdict, that is, many such nuances, some things turned out to work better, very simple, there is a mortar, in the back, pickups, left, the guys threw it out, i took a photox from the last exit, the guys threw out the mortar, fired quickly , threw it into the back of a pickup truck, just jumped and drove away, that’s it, everything is flying there, shells, rockets, there’s only a frightened hare at terrified mice, we already have no, these things work better than a modern road tracked machinery, which is easier to find and a drone arrives and everything, well, maybe you know, in the summer somehow it won’t be so dramatic, we’ll see, listen, well, now, for so long, i no longer believe that there is a summer, that it is dry, that there can't be mud or snow, it seems to me that it has always been here, yes, there is a little bit of it, tell me,

now, in principle, such a very active discussion has arisen. retreated from avdiyivka, and it turned out that, well, not so , engineering and fortification structures are not as good as we would like it to be, and well, this discussion , i think, continues along the entire line front, to what extent is this issue of fortification engineering structures important to you, how critical is it to you, let's say, critical, do you still assess your situation? even worse, that is, well, i understand that we can't directly talk about this in detail, but still, you understand that this is such a hot topic right now, well, you understand, as a military man, what i have to say, i have to say, if we leave, then we leave in advance, and shut up, you don't need to say more, but as a person, i'll tell you, well, i understand very well that i don't

there are always these positions, we were taught back in the spring at... the beginning of the spring of 22, when we were still defending lysichansk, we were taught, you were thrown into the field in the green, to land in some, anywhere, smoke breaks, respite, coffee, drink the driver from the bag, then everything afterwards, first you dig, dig like a crazy mole , you have to bury yourself, who thinks that it is good to bury yourself up to your knees, dead, who thinks that papoyas is good, dead in 10 minutes, who hasn't smoked anything , who buried himself in a pogo... and made a hole for himself there, he will survive, then he will smoke, drink coffee, we were taught to break immediately, of course, no matter how hard you dig, no matter how hard you try, you will do it faster and better with a tractor, and i got stuck, i say, i don’t want to say now about the heads of the cities in question from my small family, but when we asked to make us another position for behind us, they told us: well, there is a tractor, there are two, i say, you don’t have two

tractors, well, i’m from here myself, i know how many utility technicians you have, but it’s not... all of them work, and our drivers , the tractor drivers don't want to go, and well, then tanks will come to you tomorrow, and we won't be able to hold them back, and there is nowhere to go, and now i see when they sometimes give out interviews, they say how hard it is, why did you lose your city, you didn't have tractors for us to bury ourselves, that 's how you have it, that's what happens, this there must be some forced story from your point of view, after all, the mobilization of tractors directly, if we, under the same soledar, under the same bahmut, under the same... had the opportunity to drive out the equipment and while the group of snipers that i was covering, restrained the enemy held back for quite a long time, it was the snipers who helped us a little, but very, very little, if we were behind if there was a technique that would have dug fortifications and concreted them, then we would still not be like bakhmut, we would still hold soledar, i