communicate with their relatives, i don't mean activists or others, you need to use other gadgets that you don't use every day, for example, this is very important, and you really need to check all your, well, let's say publications that were before, in order to to really maximize... all this , especially, it concerns these activists who are possibly on the lists of the occupiers, and here it is very important to foresee all these processes, it is clear that no one can guarantee anything in any way cannot secure itself in the occupied territory, but these tips are actually sound, don't ignore them, i'm begging you all who watch us. both in crimea and in other occupied

territories, divide your gadgets into public, non-public, etc., i have another question for iskender bariyev, who is, well, in prison in siberia, the first deputy of the midjlis, the head of the midjlis of the crimean tatar people , our colleague and comrade noriman dzhelyalov, and now , unfortunately, i will not remember much about his fate. well , they mention it in ukraine, but the attention of the entire world society is not much navalny, to other russians there, but he is sitting in prison in russia for a long term, convicted , snoring, and we have to constantly talk about him and remind ourselves and others that it's simple, it's not just a citizen of russia, whom they imprisoned there illegal, this is a person who was forcibly deported, who is repressive.

just for the fact that she lived in her homeland, what can you say about what is now with noriman, how is he, what is there, which, which, which information do you have, and in general, you know, and the second question, immediately, a lot who does not understand why the khremli do not leave the crimea, all, well, or the most active there, that there is danger, etc., and really everything is very bad, the occupation. a great war, what motivation do people have to stay in crimea even under such pressure? i apologize that there are two questions in one, but please , i think that we should start with the second, i will start with the second question, because, first of all , it is very important for the crimean tatars that the indigenous people remain in crimea, because in the future development and preservation will be first and foremost a whore'. when we all leave

our, let's say, ties with crimea, this firstly, secondly, it is very important that we not just keep there, but it is very important that we maintain and preserve our identity, so really, when we are still talking now, including returning to the international court of the un, here exactly thanks to that asset. demonstrated by the representatives of the crimean tatar people, as for education in the crimean tatar language, it can be clearly said that they really tried to close two schools with the crimean tatar language of instruction, it was in the village of annovka and in the city of stariy krym, and thanks to the activity teachers, the activity of parents, the activity of people, they were forced to leave... from

the school and they did not close them, that is, this is an example of when you can demonstrate the struggle, demonstrating the struggle, let's say, more for the preservation of identity, yes, indeed, they all they are trying to close the crimean tatar class, and the dynamics show everything about it, they are looking for other opportunities to close the crimean tatar schools when they change their status and increase the study of russian. languages ​​for the crimean tatar bridge, that too is happening, but here it is very important that such actions related to all these processes are effective, unfortunately, i think that they will put more pressure on people after the decision of the international court, because they refrained from such actions, that is why they were forced not to close schools there, unfortunately, i think that in the future they will put more pressure on the names of... on destruction with the aim of destroying

the identity of the original crimean tatar people. as for nariman jelyal, this is really, first of all... a symbol of the struggle of the representative body of the crimean tatar people , the interforest of the crimean tatar people, because he is the first deputy of the representative body of the native crimean tatar people, and now he is in minusinsk, that is, in siberia, and there he is really in a colony, he is with him, including our compatriots from crimea, and this is good, in my opinion, because... we understand when you are primarily among others, that is, other citizens, who have a different mentality and other things, in addition to when we say that, let's say, intelligent zhelyalov, found himself among,

let's say, including recidivists and so on, and here it is very important that there should be some support from the inside, as for the situation in general, now there are 180 from crimea. 54 people are in the territory of the russian federation in colonies and from them exactly 125 are representatives of the native crimean tatar people, and it is really important for each of us that we maintain ties, that we try to provide them with help and support, and we, on our part , are looking for an opportunity, so that there is.. ... and among, say, russians who are trying to help in some way, but now the conditions are different compared to full-scale aggression, and indeed the situation with political prisoners in

the territory of the russian federation is very difficult, and here we really need to talk more, more about this issue, and besides, the crimean tatar the resource center works systematically, and we... see, well, in relation to international law, we see more of such a perspective for, let's say, exchange, just as we first talked about the battalion named after nomanachelebijahan, and according to the accusation to involvement in the noman chilibdzhan battalion, more than 35 political prisoners are now in the svobody prison, and in our opinion, if they are recognized as such in ukraine. prisoners of war, we for our part will do everything within the framework of international law so that they can be exchanged, because political prisoners cannot be exchanged in relation to international law, although this also happens, but here is a prisoner of war

just for the third geneva convention , they should be and can be exchanged, and here is exactly the mechanism by which we could at least... to release and exchange 35 policemen who are in the city of hobod , we understand in the same way that a large number of civilians who, in particular , tried to carry out what is called civilian journalism within the boundaries of the peninsula, already when professional professional journalists could not to do this, and iryna danylovych and mykola semena, we also remember these people who... well, actually suffered from the repressive russian machine, an extremely complicated story, and we must fight for them, for civilians as well, but look for some options, to which the russian federation would go, i.e. putting them in an uncomfortable position, this should be

our goal. now let's take a short break, mr. iskkender, please no, don't disconnect, because there are still a few questions i really want to ask you, in particular about... how ukraine feels about crimea and itself with crimea and without actual control over crimea , for these 10 years, the president, the ukrainian military and our friends from abroad spoke their word this week, let's remember it, let's emphasize it, stay with us. hello, this is svoboda ranok, informative radio liberty project. top guests every day. this is the shipping district, kherson. turn on live. we are somewhere in the vicinity of bakhmut.

we tell the main thing. on weekdays at 9:00. we continue the together beraber project, a joint project of the tv channel and the atr tv channel. with you are khrystyna yatskiv and ayder muzhdabaev, as well as skander bariev, the head of the crimean tatar resource agency. of the center, a member of the myjalis of the crimean tatar people, as noted this week, talked a lot about crimea and very aptly, the president actually noted, and the forum itself is nicely called, 26.02.14, war began in crimea. volodymyr zelenskyy said, today we remember the events that happened 10 years ago, happened in the ukrainian crimea, when our peninsula was stolen by russia, and when, together with the russian occupation army, our humiliation and mockery of people, repression and fear entered, this brutal war, which is currently ongoing against

ukraine, was born by russian revanchism precisely when it felt that the world was capable of turning a blind eye to such crimes, to such annexations, to such mockery of people whose the house is simply selected, well, it is very important here, in fact, what the ukrainian military and ukrainian representatives of the ukrainian special services do not let the topic of crimea out of their attention, i would like to hear... now the representative and head of the main intelligence department , kyril budanov, what he advises, in particular , for the population that remains in crimea. russia lost a quarter of its ships and was forced to withdraw its fleet to the caucasus coast, redeploy aviation, because airfields and military facilities in crimea are constantly under our fire influence. i would like to emphasize that we are extremely grateful for our success residents of the ukrainian crimea, who not only strengthened. the occupier, but also find an opportunity to quickly monitor the entire situation on the peninsula, and

to pass this information to us as soon as possible. podanov emphasizes that the inhabitants of the peninsula are the irreplaceable source of information, and they help later with additional intelligence on the results of the work of the defense forces, all this is done by people who remain in crimea, and kyrylo budanov still insistently warns against civilian exploitation. the kerch bridge, i think, is purely technological, with the military as analysts, experts, we will analyze more than once whether it is realistic and in what way to really destroy this object, a completely unnecessary infrastructure object that binds, you know, like some kind of tie between our crimea and the russian federation, but i think that our defense forces have their own plan for this, confident in the necessity and reality of the return. control over crimea to ukraine, and boris johnson, ex-prime minister of great britain. obviously, before, everyone thought

that putin would never give crimea away, they say, it’s not even worth trying, so they thought, let’s we will try to help ukraine regain the land bridge. but now people say to themselves, first of all, it is possible to return crimea realistically, - says johnson. and if you look at the infrastructure, logistics, there are great opportunities for the armed forces of ukraine, so i agree, there have really been changes in the way people... think about crimea - said the british politician. it would be good if these changes also applied to the minds of high-ranking european officials, on whom the provision of the necessary weapons directly depends. the same tauruses would be very helpful in the operation the liberation of the crimean peninsula, but we are definitely waiting, waiting, we are waiting. mr. iskender, how is the military situation on the peninsula changing, if we can track it in general. we understand that there are civil initiatives, there are paramilitary initiatives that work in connection with

the defense forces of ukraine, for example, and also regularly and openly report that they transmit information and even integrate into the russian army in order to to receive this information, how is it changing, are we following this russian military contingent in crimea, can we say that those logistical... ways are still the main ones for them, or are they already looking for an alternative? well, first of all, i want to say that any territory cannot be taken under control without the support of the local population, and therefore, in different wars, various forms were used, including informational, agent and other , in order to be able to influence from within. as for the crimea, pro-ukrainian forces have been here since the beginning of 2014, they have remained even now, another question is what for

it is very important for us that the number of pro-ukrainian activists and pro-ukrainian citizens remains more, despite what is happening and partly the mobilization continues, that repressions and other actions are taking place, precisely this is very important, because it concerns not only the resistance during all these years, this also applies in the future in... reintegration processes, because without people, without the population, we will not be able to do such reintegration as quickly as possible, and what about the russian military? here our compatriots, then i will finish about our compatriots, then really here we are talking about the fact that there are civilians who, ordinary citizens, activists who try to provide the information they can within their competence, and here they are can provide some, or

we can tell them how to creatively do something in crimea so that it is safe for... in different forms, and that's exactly it, well, i would say, in our country somehow, in some way, it works out, well , for example, when it is important for us, among other things, which of the occupiers or goalkeepers? or collaborators are participating in partial mobilization there, who are actively promoting , say, the so-called svo, who use the letters ztv there, and we, for our part, are collecting this information about these people, here we are already doing various information campaigns, and in that including providing information to the competent authorities

of ukraine. as for the other category, these are people, including among civilians, who have well... more knowledge of how such armed resistance can be carried out, and this is exactly the issue that we had to actively work on since 2014, and it was precisely in 2014 that i personally, when we met with representatives of the special services of ukraine, we then it was suggested that we could actively provide an opportunity for our youth to be educated there on the territory. in the mainland of ukraine in order to be more effective later, well, unfortunately, it did not happen exactly as it should have, but thank god, now we see that all the same these processes are taking place, that is, the occupiers are constantly aware that there is, let's say,

a part in crimea that will resist, and these explosions that are taking place, and these... actions that are taking place, they just have a greater influence on the psychology of everyone russians who came to crimea illegally, who have not yet packed their bags, but already clearly say that they are not always in crimea, nor forever, that is, sooner or later they think about the fact that they will have to leave , and they will not do everything to take root, let's say, in the crimea, and for us it is very importantly. well, well, another question that really in 10 years is the influence of propaganda, the influence on the new generation, and every year works against us. and here, we need to constantly remember this, because these children, who were 10 years old, for example, at the beginning of the occupation, although they were born in ukraine, are now 20 years old, and

they too, including those who go there and serving in the armed forces of the russian federation, anyone? signs contracts in order to participate in the war against ukraine. this is precisely the tragedy here, the tragedy over which, which must be stopped by all possible means. well, and in addition, in order to preserve the pro-ukrainian population, here we need to demonstrate that the necessary laws are adopted in ukraine, that the necessary normative legal acts are adopted in ukraine, that in what... in crimea, the residents of crimea have there to dream and fight for ukraine, why will they talk about the fact that the future, for example, of indigenous peoples is only in an independent european legal state of ukraine, that is, all these directions must be done by us, and by our ukrainian authorities, thank you, thank you

skander, thank you very much, these are absolutely correct things that we keep putting off, many of them put off. and this ultimately works for the occupiers, and we should not give them a single respite, not a single moment to think that crimea can remain theirs. i thank everyone who watches our program, who helps the army, i remind you that the collection is in progress, it remains to collect 10 night drones for the 48th name of noman chelbejikhan, so join the collection in any way. thank you to everyone who is with us. yes, and we... will definitely return to the topic of temporarily occupied crimea literally for a week, we keep our finger on the pulse during all seven days, so to speak, in order to collect the most up-to-date information for you before the next edition of the program razom beraber is a joint project of the tv channel and the atp tv channel, stay with us, stay with

crimea, see you soon.

i congratulate alya marlinino, and we must surely talk with you about the situation that developed in the second year of the war, we can even talk about the third, two years. after the great invasion passed, in fact, and the question arises , what does the demographic situation in the country look like now , people are returning, people continue to leave

, people are making decisions, is it all static, like the front line, no, no, it is not static , for sure, but i cannot state even a serious return of such a large scale, nor an increase in migration outflow, neither that nor that. it practically leaves a little, returns a little, and as for mortality and birth rates, you know, we made a mistake in 2022, very seriously, we made a mistake in the estimates of deaths and births, and in on the negative side we were wrong, we underestimated the number of births and we overestimated the number of deaths, so the situation is a little better than at least. with mortality and birth rate than we expected in the 22nd year, and for the 23rd year there is still nothing at all, we can only compare with the data of the ministry of justice, but for today only they

give something, well, that is, we can say that people let's put it this way, they didn't limit their family plans there, they didn't limit, without definitely, definitely limited, fewer people were born than we expected, well, i wish it was there in february, the years leading up to... also more, but no, well, there is no such, such a strong negative impact of the war, as we estimated, although, i don’t know, maybe we were not mistaken, here is such a question, here we have to understand, and we cannot to get answers to our question from the ministry of justice, let's say how children, ukrainian children who were born abroad in 22nd year are recorded, that is, as born here or as born abroad, yes. how are they counted, because we, well, people count that they are permanent residents of ukraine, because they temporarily left, although there according to certain

they could not be classified as such, they have been living there for more than a year, but taking into account the war and their temporary status there, they are part of the permanent population, so how are those who were born abroad recorded, and in the 22nd year, as you understand, there were many of them. because i understand that the pregnant women tried to get them out of here first of all , then maybe we were not so wrong, well , let's see, the process of departure itself can be said to have stopped, or it didn't, it stopped en masse, the masses definitely stopped, but it was no longer there in the 23rd year, it actually stopped somewhere in the middle of march 20. in the 22nd year, it started, it was still observed, but the scale of the departure was already half as much as, say, it was at the end of february , at the beginning of march, sometime

after the 10th. march, but can we assess the situation with the departure of people from the occupied territories, say, both towards ukraine and towards russia, that is, we do not understand anything about what is happening there, well, in order to draw any conclusions, at least some statistics must be , even though you have to get hold of something, you can move on form hypotheses, then you can already compare it with something, we don’t have any information about what is being done in the occupied territories, to be honest, a lot of people left the occupied territories in... the first months of the war through russia to other countries yes, yes, yes , but they traveled through russia, because it was not possible otherwise, but tell me, is it possible now on a larger scale, i’m sorry, but it is believed that in russia, well, at least this is the confirmed data given by the high commissioner for refugees, oonovskyi, his administration, then they say that one million and 200 of our citizens exported to russia for... occupied territories

or unoccupied territories, but it is believed that yes, and it is not known how many of these people are left in russia itself, one can say so, and there is still such an interesting question, whether we can estimate the number of the population, which is in ukraine today, at least approximately, and which may remain after the end of hostilities, well, if we talk about the territories under the control of ukraine, well, our authorities, yes, then we believe that somewhere around 31 million, with a small, 31, 31.5. so you understand that it is conditional assessment, you definitely won’t do anything here, and if we talk about the borders, in 1991, then somewhere around 36, if we imagine that 5 million people live there, by the way, there is also an interesting story here, in fact we are now observing the replacement of the population by citizens of russia, yes, yes, well,

this has pluses and minuses. the pros are related to the fact that after the deoccupation i don't see any legal problems with returning them somewhere, the federation, yes, and it's worse, when our citizens are spread out there, it's worse, because those who, say, there in the crimea or on donbas, for 10 years already, how many , well, they have been there for 10 years, you can imagine how much they... the city has washed away, let's say, a child who went to school in the 14th or 15th year, he already this school ends, with what she ends it, with what knowledge of history, with what understanding of the situation and everything else, you know, i am not so negative here, because i have the impression that a huge number of people, that is, young people and in the occupied territories and unoccupied territories, it is completely apolitical, and people may not even notice the changes that have taken place as the days go from month

to month. believe me, it is worse with the older generations, of course , there is no doubt about it, but also the youth, they behave differently, just differently, well, they do not live in the ukrainian space, let's say so, yes, yes, yes, and even, you know, look, it’s just that when, say, they elected the most outstanding ukrainians, the ukrainian people elected, and when they elected the most outstanding russians, you will see the difference, yes, there were, there was competition between yaroslav, stepan bandera we, in russia, had no competition, because in fact stalin was number one for the russians , they replaced him with someone else, alexander nevsky, i think it was something like that, yes, but the support for stalin was undeniable, that's what i'm talking about, they may be apolitical, but they have a firm hand, you know, a firm fist. who

will put everyone where they need to be, but today the authorities are talking about the fact that something must be done so that ukrainians who are abroad return already, because they have become safer, because taxes are needed, because it is necessary that the western countries themselves do not pay money for the maintenance of ukrainian refugees, how realistic is this approach , well, let's take it one by one, firstly, when we say that ukraine... it should be returned, well, it is desirable that they return , not to return the siloviki, of course, it is more important that they be in ukraine after it ends, i know your position regarding the end of the war, in many respects i share it, but so that when the post-war reconstruction begins, let's say, the war for phase, because in the hot phase cannot last 10, 20, 30 years, well...