united by football, stronger together! so, good health again, our program continues, i hope taras zahorodnyi, political technologist, managing partner of the national anti-crisis group, will appear, we will just talk, you see, mr. macron is behind me, and this means that we will also talk about him, well, because he proposed that the troops of... not french, but maybe nato troops appear in ukraine, i was quite skeptical about this, until i was just in front of the program explained what is required attention, it turns out that it is meant , among other things, that maybe nato troops or french troops, someone's troops will close the border with poland, with poland, with belarus, that is, the north of ukraine, and they will be stationed there, and then ukrainian forces ...

can join forces in the east and south , if nato troops will not fight , they will just stand, but this will be such a deterrent for the russians and for the belarusians, they will simply be located somewhere, i don’t know, zhytomyr, rivne, volyn regions, and they will just be there can control the situation there is something in this, i honestly don't know yet, i hope that right now... i will talk about it with mr. taras zagorodny, political technologist, managing partner of the national anti-crisis group, if he appears now, i will be extremely happy, they say, that doesn't want to appear, ignores, it's a pity, by the way, you could talk and express your thoughts about what i just said, we'll keep her quiet and wait, i don't see another option, maybe it will somehow discipline ours..

.guests who will understand that a live broadcast is a live broadcast, and there are some options and nonsense, we can't here, we don't have time, when i know for sure that the editors of goss contacted and said the approximate time, or maybe not even the approximate, exact time, that it's the same, if i thought so too, and i will probably be five minutes late, and then what would the audience do and what would my colleagues in the hardware room do then, what would they show? the truth is, you can show advertising for a very long time, to be honest, you can play it in a circle and show it and show it, but then the audience will run away, because i know for sure that the audience does not like when there is a lot of advertising, but they like it when there is little advertising, well, let’s wait, okay, let’s shut up, let’s wait, if the person is busy, well, what are you going to do, well, there are probably more important things than going out and explaining to the citizens of ukraine, at least to the hundreds of thousands who are watching tv channel espresso, to somehow explain my

logic, my point of view, my understanding of the situation, and so on, and so on, and so on and the like, we are silent, we are waiting, well , they are already telling me this, but they have been telling me this for 3 minutes, that he is and now he will be, thank you, mr. tara, it is so nice to see you, you are a person, i know, i'm not experienced, you don't know how it works. television, no, i’m not aware that there is such a discipline here, well, okay, no, you don’t know, we will inform you gradually, so macron proposed to introduce nato troops, french troops, i don’t know which ones into ukraine, and that’s quite a lot aroused skepticism, then macron said that i am a serious person and will not joke here, then... i also

reached out to the skeptics, and then they told me that it was meant that nato troops could support, they would not participate in military operations, but they can help to close the northern border, the border of ukraine with belarus, and then the ukrainian troops stationed there will be freed and can be sent to the front. how realistic is that? well, i was surprised that it was brought up, raised the issue in general by macron, a sufficiently russophile country, even from the time of... napoleon, you can say, this suggests that, well, this is actually very good news, that we could at all for about two years therefore, in general, to dream about discussions in general, whether troops are needed in nato, in ukraine, so i think that this is very good a discussion based on the struggle for leadership in europe, france wants to demonstrate that it is a leader in europe, and we see that many nato countries, especially those that are located... on the border with russia,

the baltic countries are also ready to support to support the french, and i think that this is a very good discussion, because this, if this is security from... the treaties about which our partners sign with us, this is already crawling under such an umbrella of western security, then an open discussion of what can be from the open troops onslaught, i'm sure they are on the territory of ukraine is not open, this is a very good discussion, because in this way ukraine is creeping even more into nato, only without the fifth article so far, so... i think it is very good, mr. taras, and it does not scare , well, because i, if not what i understand, but well , if i analyze, at least to the best of my abilities, that the western, western-western countries, those

on the coast of the atlantic ocean, and not those on the coast of the baltic sea , they say that there is no need to anger putin, he is an idiot, maybe rockets and when troops appear here, this is generally a pretext for war, and then, well, they appear on ukrainian territory, not close enough to create a danger for russia to the russian borders, but this is an ally, belarus, an ally russia, and this is the basis for some actions, nuclear actions or atomic actions, do you think there are no problems here, well, france too. has access to the atlantic ocean, is also a western-western country, is also a nuclear country, this should not be forgotten either, i am sure that they are many what was taken into account, and the fact that this is real, it can be real, this confirmation is

putin’s exercise, he also says about it that nato troops are on the territory, on the territory of ukraine, they are, as he said, interveners on our territory and so on , well, that means seriously. is being discussed, it should not be underestimated , well, look, here the western countries saw that in many cases, after all, what the russians say is a bluff, well, do you remember the first, the first hysteria, that the red line and ayay will be for nato countries, that's it at all when they started to supply juvilins back in the 17th year, i remember when trump lifted the embargo on the supply of weapons to our country in... everyone also shouted that this is a red line, then it turned out that the red line is advancing, advancing, the last red line, about which we often heard is crimea, that medvedev himself shouted that strikes on crimea would be considered as strikes

on russian territory, well, nothing, but as i remember now, on august 9, 22, the first strikes on crimea took place, yes. and then about a week later, these first sbu drones flew into the sevastopol bay, and what are they there they destroyed the ship, well, nothing, they survived , well, no, well, if not, you understand, the word nothing, for ukrainians it has one price, ukrainians are still fighting, but they will fight even harder, and for europeans both east and west, for them it is the third a world war to which they... are not yet used to, and how likely this discussion can agree with macron and actually send the armed forces, well, i have a hard time imagining, no one will want to annoy putin, that even if there is one chance with thousand,

that he will launch something, well, this is such a chance, well serious, and should not be neglected, well, look, you are now denying france this. beat it, you're right, if it was said by britain, for example, because britain is, well, the only country in europe that is not in principle against the collapse of the russian federation, because they are coming back to the big game, what they call and when france talks about it, well, it is a slightly different disposition, as i told you, russophile sentiments in france are quite high, and this, as i told you, since the days of... oh, when these russians came to france with french , with the french language, a large, large number of white guards who came to france in the 17th year, the russophile sentiment is quite high there, if macron himself speaks about it, then it still means a sufficiently large su in

politics, and i believe that this very well in fact, they count, not us, this is one time, and secondly, i think that in the question... the use of tactical nuclear weapons by the russians is a very unpleasant sign for them, this is the position of china, not because of that that he loves ukraine very much. china does not want only nuclear proliferation weapons, even on the territory of belarus, and their use, because he clearly understands that if, theoretically, it begins to move, violating the treaty from 1968, then this means that japan and south korea will reach the united states of america to obtain nuclear weapons, technologically they are ready to make nuclear weapons themselves. that will worsen the situation in china, i understood, but you understand, even your story and your analysis show that

this is taking large steps towards the third world war, if you spread to japan, to korea, we have a calm attitude to this, i.e. the number of countries with nuclear weapons will increase and the probability that they will be used also increases, but my question is different, the politico publication... wrote that the european parliament of the 24th year, i.e. this year there will be elections, and the next composition of this european parliament, the european parliament will be anti-european, how can this be translated into normal human language, how can the european parliament be anti-european? well, then you have to vote against europe once and leave and everything will be fine, and i translate, what does this mean: russia is now actively working to ensure that... in the extreme right and extreme left parties in various countries , both the european parliament and the parliaments of the government, well

, the parliaments of european countries, enter, but will they have such an influence and will they be able whether they will actually change the situation is still a big question, because after all, the threat to russia is clear, and of course they will say a lot, shout too, scare them with the third world war, but the question is from the russian federation, but i don't think so it's already going to scare the europeans so much, because they already i, well, as far as i can see, they already see that russia has crossed that line, especially after they started, started to deploy their military economy, which is already followed by automatic aggression against nato countries. and this is the first position, and the second, i think that the death of navalny changed a lot, after all

, there were hopes in the west, as well as inside russia, including some hopes that the arrival of navalny would somehow change the disposition in russia, and what will happen such a new yeltsin that will be to tell that it was all a mistake will open access to russian energy resources , including, and will return russia somewhere at least for a while, and now it is clear that... there is no better way, putin, putin will be a long time and there will be a long war, and putin will for a long time, maybe this is the last question or the last questions, here the elections, or what they call elections, will happen, what will happen after the elections, here very interesting thoughts arise, some say that there will be an aggravation, mobilization and so on, others say that there will be no escalation, because in the kremlin... they feel that they are already on the verge of people becoming dissatisfied, and putin

loves it when people are satisfied with him, he is so used to everyone clapping his hands that when they stop clapping, he will not like it very much, what do you say, well, i don't agree here, putin is already moving into a new quality after putin's regime, after navalny was killed, pogozhyn was killed, he is already moving into a one-man regime. he no longer needs, in principle, to maneuver between different towers of influence in russia, he shows that he will do anything , that's why i still don't rule out an escalation, at most it becomes more likely, but not so much in reality, as you rightly say, i like it, i would not use such a term, will it affect the stability of the regime, that's the main thing here. and the russians, in my opinion , have calculated the pace of the war, which suits them completely, well

, they are ready to put about 300,000 per year there, well, they will continue at this pace, they may even increase the mobilization a little more in the first place, because and who do you have to report to now? putin, if what he needs now is 80% sincere support, you are right, but it is only during the elections, and it is for six years, after that his hands are free, he can do anything he wants. thank you very much, many thanks, taras zagorodny, political technologist. the managing partner of the national anti-crisis group, who at the beginning of our broadcast created a small crisis for us, but then, if only he resolved this crisis in our favor. now we will have the south caucasus, once it was called the transcaucasia, now it is called the south caucasus, and once upon a time it was when the soviet union was, then,

so such and such such words were, there were words baltic, now balttia was transcaucasia, now. south caucasus we will have the ambassador of ukraine in armenia from 1996 to 2001 and from 5 to 10 years, mr. oleksandr boshko, we will be talking with him, because very different situations are developing there, you see now the map, unfortunately, the neighboring regions are not shown there, but if it is worth it, it will be able to show them later, because russia is nearby, and iran is nearby, and turkey is nearby, and the caspian sea the sea is nearby. in short, such a knot is enough, enough, enough such a serious knot, and a knot not only, if in a good one, that ties the situation, but also one that makes the situation more dangerous. so, as i promised, oleksandr boshko, diplomat, ambassador of ukraine to armenia, 96th, 2001, 5th, 10th years. thank you

very much that mr. oleksandr volunteered to talk with us, i hope he will appear now. as soon as he appears, i will ask him the main question, good health, mr. oleksandr, thank you for finding time for us, good evening, mr. mykola, good evening, glory to the heroes, i wanted to ask, and what happened when the visit to armenia was first announced, then the visit to armenia, azerbaijan began to be announced, then it stopped being announced to azerbaijan, and then i visited armenia. was not canceled because, according to official data, as explained to us in the administration, in the office of the presidential administration, it was not planned, was not planned, more precisely,

so, perhaps, there was such an intention to conduct the visit. because everything is going towards rapprochement between ukraine and armenia, as you will remember, last year the first lady in irmen, anna pashinyan arrived in kyiv, brought humanitarian aid with her, visited a bearded woman, they spoke in support of ukraine, and then there were unofficial meetings. even between president pashinyan and prime minister president zelensky, prime minister pashinyan had official meetings on the sidelines of the heads of our parliaments, so everything is coming to that, even more so if you take into account the statements in

armenia regarding the aspirations of her european aspirations. then everything comes down to actually conducting such a visit. i think it will happen sooner or later, and obviously before him you need to prepare well, because there is something to say, both to us and to the armenians, yes, but mr. oleksandr, i have the impression that azerbaijan simply asked, there are no such complex compositions here, ukraine just said that it wants to go to armenia. "azerbaijan said, listen, maybe you should not go to iran, because we don't like your contacts very much. ukraine, understanding that azerbaijan is a more important partner, because azerbaijan is a rich country, azerbaijan can help ukraine at some points, but armenia cannot at all, on the contrary , i think that armenia will want to ukraine helped armenia, and

that's why they just calculated, they said, it's more profitable for us to have such established relations . " as a rule, when some event breaks out, the two circles of which such discussions take place on the internet, there are always different opinions, er, there were those about which you, which you voiced, there was also such a version that allegedly... allegedly eh kyiv wanted to visit baku, and then stop by yerevan and hand over captured armenians. but all these are versions, so we must talk to you as serious people about the things that happened, which

were officially declared by both the ukrainian and armenian authorities, if it is about ukrainian-armenian relations, and if it is about azerbaijan, then azerbaijan, the azerbaijani authorities and ukrainian, such official statements are not from armenian. side, not from the azerbaijani one, i have not seen, therefore there may indeed be different versions, as always happens, happens in such cases. yes, well, if the journalists, uh, waited always official statements, then it would be possible to close absolutely all journalistic collectives, well then, then journalists are not needed, if they will wait for official baku to say something, official... kyiv, official yerevan and so on, but i have to you have a question about your neighbor in armenia , georgia, what do you think, georgia is preparing

for war with russia, because such is the mood in russia, she is constantly threatening everyone, hinting to everyone that we can still show you how they say kusku's mother, ah. .. georgia says: okay, we, we want peace, we don't want to be dragged into war, but they, if they do not strengthen their defense capabilities, then the day after tomorrow, if tomorrow the russians start an operation, then the day after tomorrow they will be in tbilisi, because i was in georgia literally before the great war and just saw that i went to the museum stalin, and it is just 2 km, to the main road that... leads from tbilisi to other regions of georgia, it is crossed in just 15 minutes, that is,

the georgians have one idea - not to allow russia to start military operations, but we can believe russia that it is, that this is the position of tbilisi officially satisfies them? as we know, relations are quite close in tbilisi. with nato , with the european union , at that level, at the official level , there are constant contacts, they have their representative at the governing bodies of nato, there is an exchange of delegations, so i think that georgian diplomacy continues to work in this direction, at the same time, as we can see, they want... and they also want to improve their relations with russia, comforting themselves with the hope that this war, which

is currently unfolding in ukraine, will not affect georgia, but from russia, it is really you can expect everything, especially when it comes to the fact that the withdrawal of... let's say ships from sevastopol and their introduction to abkhazia, and this is already close to georgia, that is a real, real danger, of course for georgia, i think that in this respect they are looking at things in a real way. well, yes, it is real, and what kind of reality is that, this is the main question, they look at it realistically, and if you look at it realistically, then you need to strengthen yourself, buy weapons, train

georgian citizens who want to fight, i don't know, there to exchange intelligence data there with kyiv, with washington, with brussels and so on and the like, that is, prepare seriously, and not just have to, ukraine also had, well, there were nato diplomats, but... somehow it didn’t help ukraine, if to get away from russia, well, if we are talking about the south caucasus, of course we have to take into account the situation not only around iran and azerbaijan, although it is precisely the azerbaijani-armenian relations about... attention is drawn, as in the european union, as you know , a european mission is present there the mission of observers on... the border between

azerbaijan and armenia, but also to georgia, and the fact that georgia continues to be in the structures of the european union, i have, i mean at the parliamentary level, at the governmental level, so there are contacts , this shows that, after all, georgia is happy with... the action that somehow it will manage to maneuver between russia and the european union. i think it's a bad practice, of course, and sooner or later they'll feel it. let's go back to armenia, and in what way, practically, as many say, and the armenians themselves speak and officially say that

they are trying. to move away from the csto, this military association of former republics, some of the soviet union, and to look more closely at nato or the western world. and how can this be implemented practically, bearing in mind that there is a military base of the russian armed forces in armenia, seeing that russia actually, well , it seemed to me, maybe i'm wrong, was on the side of azerbaijan rather than armenia, at least. but she didn't do anything for the armenians during this conflict, so what in a way they can physically turn around and can they turn to the west, bearing in mind that they are surrounded on all sides by unfriendly countries, well, maybe georgia is friendly, but during the peaceful coexistence of the soviet

union, eh... georgians used to tell a lot of anecdotes about the armenians, the armenians about the georgians , this was a very popular story, that is, there is not very, not very much trust, how can they do it, as our russian friends said to the armenians, who had looked to the north for 25 or 30 years, now they you have to look to the west, and with what they have had for the last 30 years behind them, this reversal is practically happening. before our eyes, just a few days ago, the visit of the minister of defense of france took place with a group of high-ranking military officials, where there was a serious conversation about strengthening the defense capabilities of armenia with the help of france, this is an unprecedented case in history not only. french-armenian

relations, and in general the relations of france with the countries of the former, former soviet union, but literally yesterday there was a closed pashinyan's meeting at the national assembly in armenia, where representatives of the ministry of defense were invited, inside. affairs , the ministry of foreign affairs, where there was a serious conversation about a change of course, it can be said that, in principle, pashinyan tried to probe his possible next steps, how they would be perceived, well, first... among

the parliamentarians, well, in general armenian society, in addition, if we take into account his loud statement about the suspended or frozen activities of armenia in the bodies the cis, in particular the csto, but this was not just a statement, but indeed, as we see, over the last time... armenia avoids meetings at various levels with representatives of the csto. this already indicates a serious intention in armenia to change course. but, of course, this is very difficult, given its close ties at various levels with russia and its dependence on everyone.