and he doesn't like it there, because maloney is the first person there, and macron is the first person there, and meanwhile the biggest aid comes from germany, and scholz can't stand it, he says, but you could at least send more weapons, by the way, i don't know, you know that before the meeting at the elysée palace, journalists asked macron's advisers, and why, of course, this meeting is not in berlin, can you explain to us? french journalists themselves, and they answered them because we have better weapons, we give better weapons, we have a president, they take, yes, and maybe it's less money, but we are very serious about, well, it's true, france is very serious in helping ukraine, but germany is more, but president macron is not only talking about the possibility of troops, he is talking about the fact that other countries should help more to germany, more to ukraine, it means germany as well, that is, it is actually about that. that macron shows that he is the leader of the process,

and indeed, if you are the leader of the process, you simply have to raise the stakes, and how can you raise the stakes in this situation? such a statement she, of course, you can't even imagine, khrystyna, what kind of emotional reaction she causes in the kremlin, because in moscow, since 2014 , they have followed one important thesis, huh. nato soldiers on the territory of ukraine, this will mean war. and by the way, they kept western countries from more active assistance to ukraine in 2014 and from more active participation in the process, because they clearly told them: "do what you want, but if there is even one nato soldier on the territory of ukraine , there will be a war." but the war started without any nato soldiers. that's the trick. that is, they deceived them, because... the western

countries faithfully adhered to the idea that they, let's say, do not cross red lines so that there would be no war, they did not cross, but russia did, and now the question arises, why can't they to go further, if russia is deceiving them in the gentlemen's agreements that they basically concluded then, well , macron went further than other western leaders, this of course caused, i would say, a serious problem, and now many people say that in fact macron wanted create a strategic situation. uncertainty, and showed a split in the western world, perhaps, but the situation of tragic uncertainty is still there, because you understand when the federal chancellor of germany says that not a single soldier of the bundessphere will be on the territory of ukraine, this is his point of view as the federal chancellor of germany, when the secretary general of nato says that there will be no nato troops in ukraine, this is his point of view and there are no nato general troops at all . these are the troops of the countries, these are the troops of the countries,

and if the president of france says that this maybe it means that french troops can be, and that is enough, for this it is not necessary that everyone agrees, if the president of france says that it is, the prime minister of estonia says that it is possible, and the minister of foreign affairs of lithuania says that yes, we welcome this statement, then several western countries are already appearing that can join their efforts, and they absolutely do not need to do this. so that other nato countries agree with them, as was the case during all nato operations, if you remember when it was there the operation against the milosevic regime, some took part and others did not, yes, well , they just said, well, you are us, this is a nato operation, we will support it, but we do not participate, well, don’t take it and don’t take it, that’s it case, so here it is very much a thing, i would say conditionally reassuring for the russians, that there was a split, no, what happened was that the country appeared. are ready for the participation of their

servicemen not in the war, they all say with one voice, it is not a question of war, it is a question of whether we can help the armed forces of ukraine, whether we can help them to teach that we can deal with demining, uh, it is, as the french prime minister gabriel athal said, but these are all combat tasks in any case, it is not a clash, but it is the performance of the army, its direct function as armies, the army does not necessarily have to enter the conflict. from another army, it can perform various tasks, and instructing servicemen of other armed forces is part of military work, demining is part of military work, absolutely, and when they say this, it means that they do not give up their ideas, then look, when macron made this statement, many believed that it was just impromptu, uh, at the end of the meeting at the elysée palace, to give, so to speak, the urgency

of the meeting itself, which was not, if not decided, made public, no specific things, by the way, because this meeting, we also forget about it, it took place behind closed doors. yes, they specifically said that they will not comment on her in substance, they do not report on her actual decisions, and it was a closed meeting without such a video link, the president of ukraine, by the way, was not there, he spoke via video link, just a speech in front of them, and then they consulted among themselves, and when everyone says that moscow knows everything about it, because the prime minister was there the minister of slovakia, robert fitza, so what, there was, the prime minister of slovakia has military enterprises that are working now. for him to get power, he will not close these enterprises with his own hands, so those who think so do not know him well, and the economy in which he is interested, so that there was a statement, there were comments that he just said a beautiful phrase, and then

one confirmation after another began, the minister of foreign affairs of france stéphane séjurier spoke, the prime minister spoke. macron said that he made a calculated statement that this is not impromptu, then he is going to meet with the leaders of the political parties of france, this becomes part of the political activism in the run-up to the european elections, you saw this controversy between gabriel athalie and marine le pen in the national when he told the french there are no troops in ukraine, and there are already russian troops in france, it's your troops, ms. lippin, it 's unprecedented in the vehemence of... when it comes to people who are essentially against the national security of their own countries, uh, let 's not be there, and who are still supported by a huge number of voters, you know , that is, once again

ukraine is now becoming an object, a catalyst, so in certain election processes, for the whole of europe, unfortunately, this is not happening. when we talk about the electoral processes of individual countries, then we will definitely mention poland, but i want to ask you a question, this is maybe a split in the western world, scholz, macron, maloney, how will they share this pie, yes, relatively speaking, it is good or bad for us, this healthy competition of european leaders, countries, leaders to help us in any way, as possible more importantly, i think that... competition is good, and then how can these people not compete? scholz is one of the leaders of the european left, they were gathering, i think, today, with their pre-election manifesto, they want to win the elections, they need additional votes in the european parliament, they do not have many

heads of government, and the main figures are the prime minister of spain, pedro sanchez, and the federal chancellor of germany, olaf scholz, because these are the largest countries of the european union, which are led by left-wing leaders, they are centrists. the leader is emmanuel macron, in fact, this is a completely different political force, which is in the center of the spectrum, so to speak, and they also need to prove their importance, especially the situation when the far-right and far-left always win in the european parliament elections in france, is right-wing radicals, and their part that supports ukraine, this camp is headed by george meledi, and she still needs to fight with those. by right-wing radicals, because these are two camps that support russia, and the representatives of this second camp are part of its coalition in italy, and they will fight with it in the elections to the european parliament, they are not going there together, they are going in different groups, so it is necessary to fight with the leftists, our own, who look at

scholz, with our own centrists from the democratic party, let's say, who look at the democratic party, these are the leftists, there centrists who look at... the age of macron, well, here is the landscape, that is, you are talking about people who gather in the same room, but they all represent different political forces of opponents in europe with a completely different vision of europe itself, it is not the same not only in melon and macron, but also in macron and scholz, and on the issue of ukraine, it also looks different now, plus remember that france, again, unlike italy... unlike germany, is a country that belongs to the group of winners in the second world war war, and it is a nuclear state , therefore, it is also a member of the security council, therefore, but france, and italy, germany, no, because they were in another part of europe, then, on the other side of the barricades, and

all this immediately begins to show , when the discussion of fundamental issues begins, weight, not that no one is saying now, you know, you lost the war, we you'. no one in europe speaks in such categories anymore, but in any case, macron is the head of a nuclear state, and scholz and maloney are not. and the position of poland is also very important, you are talking about it mentioned, but you understand that poland here... should also be the factor that will have to be determined in one way or another in which group of countries, from the point of view of attitude to the situation, poland is going to enter, because from the position of poland ukrainian conflict, it depends on whether poland will be part of the triangle that will one way or another determine the direction of the european union, or italy, it is about the future of poland in general. well, what is meant, well, in the past there were three largest countries in the european union, which in one way or another are among themselves

could talk about trends, which were then offered to others, simply from the point of view of the weight of economies, population and seats in the european parliament and so on and so forth, these were france, germany and great britain, now great britain is gone, and it is obvious that its place in this conditional triumph , someone has to fill it, it is vacant. and now we talk about france and germany all the time, but this cannot happen forever. so, some country will occupy this place, but it cannot be a quadrangle. ugh. so, from the one who will play this game correctly now, it depends on which country will be the most authoritative in europe in the future next to france and germany. poland or italy? and by and large , george meleni, who represents the right-wing radicals, and donald tusk, who represents the centrists and related parties. thus with its right-wing centrists, they are now

essentially competitors in this great geopolitical game, this must also be remembered, and therefore there, when on the one hand there was president andrzej duda at the meeting at the vilice palace, and on the other hand all the poles, now to all the polish elite will have to decide how they will handle this situation in the situation of the polish-ukrainian crisis, that is, it is very much, that is what we are saying. about the fact that these are not simply questions of aid to ukraine, no, this is a question of the world order for the next ten years, now they are being resolved in this way, but with regard to poland, they have already noted that they will help ukraine with weapons as much as necessary, but not , not by people, let's say so, that is, they now choose a position that is more considered for themselves, unlike other colleagues in the european union, and not only on him, but you know, you and i... we are talking about what games are now and what schedules can be at the time, how someone takes

and does, the czech republic for example, just recently we discussed the issue of ideas peter pavel, a man with a rather powerful military background, found 800,000 shells for ukraine, 155 and 122 calibers, well, that is, it is a nato caliber, it is not some super soviet warehouse with 152 mm. but less so, we are already receiving information that in the near future the defense forces of ukraine may to receive the first revenues from this package, and 50% of all the money needed for these 800 thousand projectiles has already been found and allocated, but why are we surprised if we, look, european countries do not have these weapons in their warehouses, so we need to negotiations with some countries that can sell these weapons for money... these countries can be in good relations

with the russian federation, or in normal neutral relations, if the americans or the british will negotiate with them, then as you understand, all of this will be done immediately at the very first stage of the negotiations, the resident who sits in the russian embassy, ​​uh, the foreign intelligence service, will run after this... american visitor literally on all the streets there, i don't know any asian or african city to photograph, the very representatives of the military-industrial complex of these countries may be afraid to negotiate with the americans or with the british or even with the french, especially in africa, ugh , a czech negotiator is coming here, well... a russian resident will not pay attention to no czech negotiator

, he doesn't care, what is it, some czech came to our place, well, it's not our scale, they need something there, some howitzer to buy, the representatives of this country will calmly talk to the representative of the czech republic , this is the strength of middle countries, they can go unnoticed. until the moment when the signature is placed and the cargo is freighted, and already after that it is possible to talk about it completely calmly, uh, so... this is the advantage of, say, the czech republic, or this is the advantage of hungary, viktor orbán, when now our border with poland is blocked, and a huge amount of cargo goes through hungary, and new checkpoints are opened , and there are many things that we see now, there is equipment, that's all that

remains on the shelves of our supermarkets and stores. what does not go through the polish border, it goes through the hungarian border, at the same time orbán calls for negotiations there , tells the western countries that you are creating conditions when it is impossible to agree on peace, but by and large hungary is now helping ukraine not to find yourself in a difficult economic situation situation, this is a reality, well, this is again an advantage of a country like hungary, because there is no protest... like in poland, well, yes, well, you can organize it, but you need to first agree with the prime minister's office, oh, and then you organize a protest and you lose your place there as the head of the trade union , well , they just won't vote for you anymore, so think about it, and on the one hand we say that managed democracy is bad, and on the other hand we say that there , iphones that we can buy, it's

good, i don't know if there is no samsung. the meaning there, we will not assume that there are some alone, some products come to us, then it is a simple illustration for you, so of course you can say here that the president of the czech republic, this is also an interesting thing, that he is a general, that he is a person who worked in the nato apparatus, that he can imagine the nomenclature of weapons, as a professional in different countries, where to turn, well, it can also be common. the united states, the czech republic, great britain, other european countries, they understand who should represent this agreement. we understand that weapons are sold not only by countries that own them issue, but also conditional, such world war mongers. well, then you heard from president zelensky, he said that

denmark buys a huge amount of weapons, does not advertise it, because it is data, this... you can do it, and then contacts have been established for decades for various reasons, huh, and it's all simple, it's business, by the way, that's why putin needed viktor bout so much, that he tried for years to save him from an american prison, yes, because it's a whole network of contacts in one person, because there are certain loads, if any you can sell a certain nomenclature, only if you know a person personally and... know for sure that this will happen, this person is a guarantor of the possibility of his own state, even when it comes to the russian federation, i am not talking about other states, because in other states it is it is more difficult for the russian federation, you understand that there is a person who represents there, relatively speaking, the main development department of the general staff, he most likely has the authority to sign some

gray contract there, and with the democratic world it is much more difficult, you remember you know, there were once incredible... scandals, when during the time of president regen, it was she who sold weapons to the nikorugan rebels, the so-called contras. well, it was a very serious matter with serious consequences for the administration because they did not want to publicize the involvement of the american administration in these purchases. and this is always a huge problem for americans, they cannot bypass certain procedures in any way, no way. so. because then people, people who dare to bypass them, know that they can go to real prison even if they did with the best of intentions, just like you can't represent the president of the united states privately there, let's say you can't be a special representative without authority, because it's a criminal offense, there's a law, and

when during the second world war there, there before the second world war , president rusald used this institution, his... representatives were tried to be put in prison, because they held some negotiations there without their positions, they said, they were violating the law, such things in the democratic world, which limit the abuse of power, very a lot, and sometimes they do not allow to do what the government itself considers necessary, to speed up the processes, to do what speeds up the process, but the law is the law, well, on the one hand, unfortunately, on the other hand, maybe that's why a democratic world is efficient. can solve everything much faster and everything, but yes, i would also like to draw attention to... after all , poland should return to it, the fact is that this week mykhailo tkach, a ukrainian investigative journalist, who tried with his activities prove that between

there is a certain movement taking place in poland and the territory of belarus, and that for some reason this does not raise any questions, in particular, from that part of polish society that blocks movement on the polish-ukrainian border, look , in general, you need to understand that this story is not about poland, ugh, there are no sanctions on ... on russian and belarusian agricultural products in general, why is this not of interest to polish farmers, because the volume of russian agricultural products that goes through poland is tiny, and it cannot even be compared with the volume of ukrainian products, which even transits through the territory of poland. on the other hand, already somewhere in the south of europe, these russian agricultural products can make up to a third of the market there,

if not more than 40%, as in spain, yes, and in this way it can really show signs of the interests of agriculture in other countries. because if there were no russian silskogodar products there, then there would be polish ones, well, they could go to spain, it's not that far, if you think about it. that's why all these arguments that ukrainian agricultural products in large quantities displace polish products from the german market, it does not displace the bluff at all, because most of our products now go by sea from completely to other countries, huh, and because polish products were also not found on the german market, this is not so , but the russian one is displacing it from the spanish market, it just doesn't go through poland. so this is a completely different story, so, in fact, this story is related to the investigation of our colleagues from the ukrainian truth, it is related to the moral axect, if you see the numbers, then there is nothing in the numbers, if we are talking

about poland in particular, but there is about the european union, and why only two years after the start of the war did european countries talk about the possibility of limiting the transit of russian products, latvia did it first, and before that no one talked about it at all didn't say, it's also somewhat strange for me. i can't understand it, so, to be honest, we keep saying that we have to weaken the economic potential of russia, while the russians are calmly transporting grain not to africa, to the same european union, this is one moment , another moment, we perfectly understand that this conflict that arose on the border has a distinctly political character, because our grain is not the cause of the problem, uh, the desire of those people who organized this process. to receive subsidies from the government and the european commission , taking advantage of the situation, and this is simply something that must be clearly said, and polish politicians, they cannot

say it out loud for one simple reason: they have elections, and it turns out that both political camps have electorates among the farming environment, and the party right and justice, because it has always been part of this electorate, and in coalitions... now i lead poland, the polish peasant party, but the peasant party is also a farmer's party, and the defeat of this party means a blow to the coalition, this is the second point, the third , this protest enjoys the absolute support of polish society, where 80%, and again , the prime minister of poland, as well as the president of poland, as well as the politicians from the law and justice party, who are there now... in the opposition, as well as the politicians from the former civil platform, which is now the center of this democratic coalition, we have to immediately take into account two

points: that poles support ukraine and that poles support farmers. he does it at the same time. ugh. so what? we have not yet had such schizophrenia in ukrainian society, who can we throw stones at? we have done this many times. so it's true. and we can say three thousand times: "are you?" friends, can't you see that this is schizophrenia, if you support us, why do you want the destruction of our economy for unknown reasons, we we don't bother anyone, then these amazing conversations begin, which are held by the ukrainians themselves, it's just that we have letifundists, and in poland there are poor, unfortunate farmers, ugh, who suffer from the actions of our agricultural oligarchs, although statistics say... that that the products that go through poland in transit, i emphasize, through poland in transit, nothing goes to poland, because there is a restriction that was introduced by the previous government, and this one did not remove it

unilaterally. illegal for violating the decision of the european commission, but they did they are, but even in this product, which goes in transit, the products of large enterprises are somewhere up to 40%, and 60% are the products of small farms, ugh, when these products are not allowed, these farms are really destroyed, in poland there are huge agricultural corporations, which are many times more, because these are corporations of the eu countries. and these holdings are known many times more than large ukrainian corporations. our so-called agricultural oligarchs are lilliputians compared to polish agricultural corporations, so when ukrainians, i don't know how to say it intelligently, well, some ukrainians talk all this nonsense, it reminds me of the year 2019 , a story about how it was necessary to get rid of barihs, well, have you already gotten rid of barihs, have you

had enough? i don't know why you continue to eat a dish from this plate that does n't smell very tasty at all, you don't make it up, and at the same time you accuse the ukrainian authorities, which are trying to solve this issue in favor of the ukrainian producer, of being stupid and spoiling relations with allies, the ukrainian authorities, the president there, anyone there the authorities have something to blame, we do it all the time, but i don't understand why. when the president of ukraine, the ukrainian government, put forward absolutely fair demands to the neighboring country, they immediately start saying, oh, they are such idiots, they quarreled with another ally, and we just have to agree to everything so that the poles help us, but this is not help, so what if, on the one hand , russia destroys our economy, and on the other hand , poland blocks our borders and also destroys

ours. economy, this is the simultaneous destruction of our economy, this is not possible to say that this is in favor of ukraine, no , if we reduce our economic opportunities, therefore, in this way we reduce the tax base, reduce the possibilities of financing the armed forces, and it is not necessary to invent when even the poles say, oh, well, we will help you with everything in defense, that is our defense, the poles do not pay money, taxes for our defense, we pay, and it depends on the purchasing power. of our population, the purchasing power of our population depends on the capacity of our economy, therefore every polish farmer, so-called or other protester, who stands there on the border and blocks this border, he is absolutely consciously or unconsciously acting in favor of the russian federation, the president of russia vladimir putin and destroying our defense, he does nothing more, just for another a portion of money from

there is... commissions that these people did not earn and do not earn at the beginning of the european integration of poland, they receive these subsidies, it is wonderful that they are always received from the councils, that i feel sorry for subsidies to develop polish rural economy, i don't regret it, i still remember the times when i came to warsaw or krakow, and there were only french and german products in the supermarkets, there was nothing polish, there were times like that, imagine, but now when we go to a polish supermarket, we see... all polish products, great, i'm very happy, by the way, by the way, we go to a ukrainian supermarket, and we also see polish products, what else do you want from us, listen, well, give us a little drop at the end sweet lemonade from this sour lemon, such a thought came to chairman, don't all these events on the polish-ukrainian border mean that, in fact, here they are, real negotiations about

our country's accession to europe have begun. who is the union and about the principles on which we are entering there, purely economically, well, look, we are now by and large, part of these problems is also the fact that we are essentially now existing in the regime of the european union, member countries of the european union, but this is an advance , but it is an advance, and an advance is very strange for the simple reason that we do not have the problems that countries have of the european union, but we have the opportunities that the countries of the european union have, we have the same green charter, that's all, but this will all pass. indeed, we must clearly realize that when we become a member of the european union, we need such negotiations that would not create restrictions on the supply of our products to the european market for another 40 years, well, as some say in poland, for 35 years, by the way it's not over.