issues that affect corruption, issues that affect those things that are needed in the country to strengthen our defense, there , for example, there would be no need to introduce censorship, and we have it in the form of a so -called single telethon, that's why in fact, these political issues cut through , but i would like them to be fewer, and a government of national trust would be such a good answer to all these issues, but what about what russia will do and use the so- called legitimacy there or illegitimacy authorities as ibso, i have no doubt about it, russia has been waging information wars against ukraine for not the first year, it has been waging this information war for the first ten years already. moreover, this war has always been called hybrid in our country precisely because of this information component, so there is no news here, simply to distinguish russia's information war and the discussion of urgent problems that are really needed in ukraine. for this we need to learn how to react. well, for example,

by canceling this information policy in the form of a single marathon, for example , allowing a certain discussion on some issues that affect, for example, changes and reforms in ukraine, and not only there military issues, regarding military issues, there must definitely remain censorship, that is clear, but what if things are not touched military issues, it would be possible to allow more freedom, more discussions, and if this discussion took place, then there would be a place for russian information. there would be fewer operations, because there would be no sensation in the nonsense that russia says, and yes, of course, it will launch these information provocations, it will always launch them, and you just need to be able to separate them from the reality in which we live and understand that during the war, any enemy during the hybrid war will give only the information which is beneficial to him, therefore, all information that comes from russian sources, any information that touches the government, that touches the opposition should... be perceived exactly as any

information that comes from the enemy, it is part of the information war, and her respectively it is necessary to perceive as threatening aggression, if we learn to perceive it like that, then the effectiveness of all these ips will be minimal, you know, i once even remember writing a humorous poem about december 1, we should have had a coup d'état there, i don't remember what year , there will be a holiday on december 1 , there will be a coup d'état, well, nothing happened there, but i just know when you read about maidan, maidan 3, well, first of all, it's already maidan four, because... we had a student maidan, the orange revolution and the revolution of dignity, this is already the fourth maidan, but why not to parasitize the sacred for many ukrainians in the topic, call it anti-maidan 3, there or whatever, well, the first anti-maidan was for yanukovych, the second anti-maidan was somewhere there, and let this be the third maidan. mr. viktor, i would like you to tell me about this very topic, why make these scarecrows, using the name, which is a holiday for many ukrainians, because the maidan took off globally. somewhere up to 12 million ukrainians

participated, well, directly, is it directly or indirectly in 2013-14, please, yes, mr. vik, well, in we are just the case when the maidan is threatened, maidan 3 is threatened by those who were at the anti-maidan, yes, i mean all the tatars there, and in the president's office there are many people who were... at the anti-maidan, or at least supported that side, including quarter 95 not far from that, left and we remember ebonite sticks, and what i will say is that very often this topic is beneficial to the office of the president, that there are some unknown people, we know their names, these are some unknown people, well... unknown for now, no no

they tell us the names that they want to promote , to question the legitimacy of the president , who are these people? i wonder who these people are, because well, if they are in the opposition, maybe it is poroshenko, no, the eu has fully supported that they will be absolutely considered legitimate there, i.e. , if it is not european solidarity, if it is not the remnants of the voice, then who is it, opzh is sitting there quietly, quietly. equally supports them so that they are not touched and that they are not near, well , or them, so that they are not arrested for nothing, as medvedchuk once was, or this gentleman, like him, well, you got it, yes, yes, yes, shufrych , no one will take a risk in order not to end up in the same cell with shufrych, that is, there are no people in the parliament who would shake up the situation, who could it be, eh? it's like maybe

aristovych is there from somewhere abroad, maybe it's like there will be some sheryovshchyna again, well, it's all completely frivolous, yes. of course, russia will still use it, they will try to say, this army will be theirs, so that the army revolted, as in that movie the army revolted there, they say the tsar does not the real one, who in the film ivan vasyliovych changes his profession, it is clear that this is their goal, which is exactly what it is, and well, as we wanted, propaganda works, so yes, the role of propaganda is that we must do everything to have patriots, and there pacifism they do it in a mirror , so that we have demotivation to go to war, so that we become pacifists here, even better curse the government, and they rally their patriotism there, but between us, speaking between ourselves, who gives

a reason for all these doubts, for demotivation there, who gives a reason, are you there? just don't don't do, don't create corruption, explain the situation, go out, talk to the society as adults, and then explain in the end why you were arrested for being alkaline, and all the rest of the steps there you explain some of your own, the government , which does not speak to society, but really speaks through a censored single marathon to which well, intelligent people don't trust, but... well , we understand that this involves fooling a significant part of the population in order to keep them, if, well, to ourselves, and we have, we have an unpleasant, but situation when, yes, russia will run

a marathon , but they will scare with a marathon society, oh, marathon, my god, maidan 3, yes, maidan 3, but maidan 3 will frighten society'. that there are any, we have here and nod to try to the side, well, we don’t name the surname, but guess who it is poroshenko, yes, or someone else, although they directly declare that there is no there, and i here and here we started with moreover, i am one of those who do not like zelensky , systematically, there, i am an enemy there, well, i fight corruption there, yes, as i can, our organization is there, i... criticize the government, but i never i will not call anyone to the maidan, because i will assume that this is precisely the anti- maidan, and there will be no maidan, there are no normal ones, first of all, almost all of the passionists are in the war, those who are not in the war, but in memory, they understand

that you cannot rock the boat, and, but i understand, i'm saying that the main ones are rocking the boat, we have some kind of social agreement that we don't compete with each other, yes, but this... social agreement is being violated precisely by the office of the president, systematically violating it, so let them stop violating it, if this social agreement, and it will work, and we will be united in the fight against russia, and then there will be no russia no ipso scatters us, they shout , they say that they will invest a lot of money there, no matter how much money they invest, this is the case when the money will not work, if we are united, i you... i remember, i think , that you too, first we came on november 30, i think there was a meeting on mykhailivska square there, and then on december 1 there was already a million march, i don’t understand either, and no matter who says anything, well, where, well, where to go now, well, now we need to solve the main problem, which is to expel the enemy from our land, but all the other things there

, legitimacy, illegitimacy, let them decide lawyers, in any case, no matter who decides, everything should be in favor of strengthening the country's defense capabilities, defeating the enemy, and not for the realization of political interests, that's why we have them. management , we are working on this, but now this is a very important topic, which means that among ukrainian politicians, law enforcement officers and public activists there are many who cooperated with the russian fsb before the large-scale invasion, - said the head of the berlinket project khrestogroziv, promising to make public a new investigation in the near future. let's listen: very much. a lot of people who were political activists in pro-liberal organizations, and even in organizations financed by western foundations, who also met and probably received money or something else, but most likely money from the fifth department of the fsb, some of them were supervised by

the gru , part of the fifth department of the fsb. now we do not see their activity in favor of the russian occupation authorities. on the contrary, we see that they take a pro-ukrainian position. maybe something has changed inside them, i haven't sure how much information should be published about them, their names, maybe they are defending their country. well , the investigation should be made public in the near future, well, those activists, organizations that were financed by western funds, received money from the fifth department, let 's do it, i won't ask any difficult questions there, here is this information from hristo groziva, in principle, a person who has proven his adequacy and professionalism in the field of journalistic investigations, and i... how about her to respond, what kind of investigation can we get, and again, here is this investigation now, what can it affect,

for example, mr. oleksiyu, you have a difficult question, he wants, he wants a simple but difficult question, difficult, because of the fact that the fact that we have a huge number of people recruited by the russian special services is an absolute fact, i told about this, for example, about my own story... after, after that, grozev's statement, yes, in the 13th year happened to be at a conference, so it happened, and after that i talked with to the russian atsh on culture, er, well, we consumed alcoholic beverages, and after some time i realized that he, well, in principle, it is absolutely logical, that he is no uncultured attaché, but an employee of the fsb, and i understood from... communications, that practically everyone at that conference was recruited in one way or another or

cooperated with the russian special services, these are people whom we then saw every day on tv, who were bloggers, journalists, and everything else, so to speak, some of them coincided after the 14th year, some coincided after the already full-scale war, some still works, that is, not a few, but the greater part of... the police officer works, influences and so on, and in principle, if he really named a certain number of such people, it would be positive for the country, but there is simply a problem in trusting himself grozigo, that today i talked about this topic with borislav berezovya and said: well, it's good if we trust him, and if you or i will be on the list, for example, yes, if, for example, he leaked into the investigation. .. according to wagner, he is the same, well, now he just opened an auction where he has more

pay for which surname should be entered there, for example, yes, this is a very cynical world, and to be honest, after navalny, i am poisoning things, i understand that groziv is in such, such a crisis, yes, he has reached some very high level recognition, information, and after that he had nothing serious. he is constantly looking for some topics that, perhaps for completely normal professional, so to speak, reasons, perhaps for some other reasons, er, today he stated, apparently, this information did not really excite him, so to speak say, views on youtube, today he announced more sensational news, after which what you said, somehow i began to doubt more, so he announced that in march of the 22nd year... they came to kyiv, to ukraine, at least , bashirov and petrov came , the famous poisoners, yes, the poisoner

of the violinist, to kill zelenskyi, ah, to be honest, well, i understand that after the navalny case , the russian special services, well , they are full of morons, well, to be so morons to send people known to the whole world to organize or execute such a thing very seriously mission, it is on the one hand , on the other hand, what evidence will be provided of this, we too, that is, the main thing here is to constantly hype, yes, constantly hype, and if the names of those bloggers , activists and so on really appear, who are working in russia and there will be at least some evidence, well, it could really become a scandal, what are you, listen, we are all sitting, we are all convinced, well, i hope so, and i know everyone personally, that we are not... on that list , yes, but there may be surprises, we will now go on a short,

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money from the fsb, and mr. serhiu, you know that, well, i will not mention this loser. the president's joke, when he was still a humorist, he once, you remember, in jurmala, if i'm not mistaken, in riga there, made this bad joke, well this, it's a bad joke, i think it can be recalled, right here such a thing, when they presented ukraine as the one that takes from all sides, but, well, it was, it was disgusting, it's insulting, but that's what the screenwriters wrote then , as i understand it, for volodymyr zelenskyi, who was not yet president at the time, and here i am about those people who take from all sides, but already in the literal sense and for... and from the fsb, mr. serhiy , in your opinion, this is a dilution of hristo groziv, who needs it, because here, mr. oleksiy , i absolutely agree with him, he correctly said that the crisis of the genre must be earned, as they say, and popularity first of all, here, and a plus there are some other things, and again, therefore, the logical question is, who is it, who b, relatively speaking, he paid for it, well, let's say , honestly, yes, well, let's be honest, that there is nothing,

there is only a statement, and hristo groziv, as... a very experienced investigator and journalist, perfectly understands that if such statements are made, it is already a matter of professional honor for the person who makes this statement to continue the investigation and name the name, if he does not do this, then it will look somehow very frivolous, it will already look like a person is allegedly looking for hype, which i hope it is not a case of hristo groziv, so let's go we will wait for the investigation and we will wait for specific ... names and then we can draw conclusions about who, to whom, when, what paid and who is interested in it. i would really like such statements to always be accompanied by investigations with specific names, and these names should also be accompanied by very specific facts and evidence, because if

tomorrow names simply appear without evidence, then it will also look somewhat frivolous , it will look like politics. technology, i believe that the ukrainian state should now be very interested in that groziev's investigation did take place, and specific names and specific facts were named, because the people he is talking about in theory have not gone anywhere, and somewhere they are probably doing some work of their own, or will do it someday, so of course, ukraine you need to know what was really there, if of course it was, and we are fine. but we understand that in the ukrainian state, in all spheres of its time, russia established, well , a lot of agencies, well, that's understandable, and many of them are probably left. so i would like to know who it is and how and why we are waiting for an investigation, if there is such an investigation again, i honestly think that

there will not be any large-scale revelations, if only because the people grozev mentioned are supposedly liberal and took money from western funds, then they cannot to talk directly about russian theses, so it could be some theoretically some separate information. operations to discredit someone, including pro-european politicians, but i doubt that it was so much too massive a phenomenon, but then again, not i would like to do the work instead of grozev and speculate on this topic instead of him, so let's wait when he, being a responsible journalist and investigator, would already say, if he already said a, well, and even more so, if we are talking about political activists there, about liberal organizations and so on. bloggers, as mr. oleksiy said , they will say that he took money from the fsb, and that he is not in office, he does not make any decisions, and people will say, well, yes, we always knew that he

was like that, we guessed , and now here you see, that's all, mr. viktor, once again , will there be any dry residue from this, as they say, and is it just, well, so that we can talk, there at the president's office, maybe somewhere in the office, not even the president, i think he doesn't think about it, someone will think, yes, who is that over there? maybe it's you? no, definitely not me. well, please. god forbid that it ends with us, because the situation really is like this, if grozdiev keeps silent and for, he said and should say, if he doesn't say, then this, everything will remain in guesswork, and in the president's office will use it again against, let's say, no, no, not the parliamentary opposition, yes, you can.

president zelenskyi's office, and zelenskyi repeatedly said there, including even before the war there and at the security conference, that corruption has been overcome in our country, everyone is like that, but here they are in disarray, they, in the same place as maidan-3, that is... . if yes, but let's consider another situation, and if grozdiv will be called by surnames there, i myself am interested, because, for example, i did not have you, i also once produced, but there in a different way and a long time ago, as there is no anti-corruption officer, so i would be interested in colleagues in the workshop, because i also have, had many grants, and now there are grants. from international funds, i will tell you, by the way, that the ukrainian choice of medvedchuk was also guaranteed , including with the international revival fund, they

guaranteed him some kind of conference, even that happened, but, what if it is a class a well thought-out operation by the gru or the fsb, yes, the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense, and if they are now rolling out and they slipped, well... we have it there a hundred percent guarantee that he says: look, this is how the money went, we are somewhere there, and it was not provoked by the russians themselves, well there, well, who knows, but even then it is necessary to prove, because, for example , those , if he mentions some name, conditionally some pupkin, and we are there, oh, pupkin, we thought that pupkin, the anti-corruption officer, he worked for the fsb, and pupkin will say his excuse that... that he was specially recorded there by the fsb colonels in that list and that this is all a provocation, for example, just the same, and that's why

i really agree with my colleagues that if there are any arguments from grozdiv, because if there are no arguments, then all this will only play into the hands of moscow and those who want anti-corruption here... well, names will be drowned, disgraced, yes, grozdiv there must be such arguments, which are irrefutable , that we will know for sure what with pupkin, we no longer give pupkin a hand, at least , you know, but even here, look, if we say what you said about recruitment, they recruited show business figures very active, in fact, there are journalists, maybe there are athletes, more someone, i don't know, well, public figures, this is a practice from soviet times, we understand it perfectly, in his time, president zelensky said that... this is how we will get this money for russia, well, they received money from the state budget from ministry of culture of the russian federation, present them to the russians, what should we do? no, - zelenskyi explains

, well then... now you can also say that you, who turns out, had money from the main liberating administration, you just didn't understand, and what are we going to say now, let's go, well, of course never will not run come on, that's why there's such a story here that you can invent anyone you want and weave from those who took money, we literally have a minute, because there's almost no time, but let's summarize about trump anyway, we asked about whether it will stop aid to ukraine, will it stop if trump becomes president, but he is not president yet, but it affects johnson. will sell aid to ukraine now, because it is burning, literally every minute, mr. oleksiy, well, after the meeting of all the heads of all chambers of the congress with biden, so there was hope that johnson was given yes, this is absolutely not confirmed, but there is such an opinion, they gave guarantees that he, because he is afraid, well, he is under pressure from trump

and under the fact that after he about... in this, gentlemen, the house of representatives will put this bill to a vote, that he will be removed from office, but that the votes of the democrats will also be needed, and that he is guaranteed that the democrats will not vote for his resignation, and he can put it to a vote, in addition to what else there is and the possibility, if 215 votes are found in the house of representatives, to bypass this function altogether. regarding permission or not permission, do you put bills to a vote? yes, mr. sergey, your opinion, in general, is that while trump is not the president, but he is actively influencing, at least on the wing of certain republicans in the house of representatives, whether aid to ukraine will pass, well, not in august, but preferably there when there is, well, at least until early april? well, for today i tend to think that it will pass, but in a truncated form, and whenever

it comes to how other things are related to with the help of ukraine, the same situations will arise until the presidential election campaign in the united states continues. however, i would like to emphasize here another story in connection with trump, that we must now be ready for the fact that in late autumn, well , at the beginning of winter, when there is a theoretically new president who will become president, and there is a very high probability that it will be trump, there will be an attempt at a major geopolitical reorganization. and trump will definitely take part in it, he will try to talk to putin in some way, they will try to other geopolitical actors who will have their own interests will play a role in this, and ukraine needs to be ready for this, so that all these agreements, which may theoretically be, even if they are temporary, are not at the expense of ukraine's interests, for this it is necessary to significantly strengthen the presence of the united states, and this, by the way, for both politicians and ukrainian experts, and in general it is necessary

to leave. 30 seconds, mr. viktor, you have a little more time, whether they will vote or not , i think they will vote, everything will be fine, i am confident and optimistic, thank you thank you for your comments, oleksiy holobutskyi, political technologist, deputy director of the situation modeling agency, viktor boberenko, political scientist, expert in storm analysis of politics and serhiy taran, political scientist, were in touch with us now, thank you very much, beautiful guests, excellent expert comments, summing up the survey, we asked you today. about whether aid to ukraine will be stopped if donald trump becomes the president of the united states of america, i honestly do not see, my eyesight is bad, i am definitely not a sniper, but 49 yes, 51 no , that is, 49% only believe that, well, they are convinced that if he becomes president, there will be no help, but still, the majority of ukrainians, despite everything, believe that trump is not only will make america great agagen, but will also help the country, thank you for being with us, it was

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