appeals were received to the higher qualification commission about his alleged non-compliance with the qualification criteria due to mistakes made during the consideration of cases. it is about one of the enterprises of critical infrastructure in the kyiv region - bilotserkivska thermal power plant. the shareholders insist that in the pad case, the judge made many unjust decisions, took measures to ensure the claim by suspending the effect of the decisions of the general meeting of shareholders of the company, which owned significant assets. in another case, judge gorbasenko took the same measures based on the application. which was signed by the representative of the defendant and is considering another statement of claim, again, signed not by the plaintiffs, but for some reason by the representative of the defendant. the northern court of appeal overturned the decisions made by gorbasenko, so the shareholders believe that the judge's actions have signs of raiding and illegal interference in economic activity, and have reported this to the supreme court of appeal of judges, which must decide whether the judge will continue his career. instead , gorbasenko decided that the appeal of the shareholders to vkks was nothing more than interference in his

activities from pavlo gorbasenko's report on interference in the judge's activities. i consider it necessary to report the interference in my activity as a judge, regarding the administration of justice, as well as the manifestation of contempt of court. in fact, spamming higher authorities, the prosecutor's office and courts with complaints and lawsuits is a common practice for gorbasenko. in the odious district administrative court of kyiv, he challenged the negative conclusion of the public integrity council, then tried in the supreme court. to appeal the decision of the vkks itself. experts regard these actions as a simple effort evade qualification assessment. i have knowingly provided true or false information in assessment procedures and attempted to evade qualification assessment. ingenious, interesting, qualification assessment for the position of the northern commercial court of appeal, he will avoid in the same way. for answers, we go to pavlo gorbasenko. the working day is in full swing.

so, as the head of the court, he must be at the workplace. they don't let us go to the court, but they say that we can only contact him by phone and only through his assistant. hello, congratulations, this is darya vyacheslavivna, mr. gorbasenko's assistant. greetings, my name is olena, i am a journalist for a tv channel, i would like to know, will mr. gorbasenko be at work today and in general, is it possible for him to be here now ? in fact there is work, but a meeting with the head is impossible. the assistant promises to inform pavlo gorbasenko about our visit and to provide an answer to the information request. we have received a list of questions that interest you and that you would like to receive an answer to, and we will then consider your request, in depending on the workload, we agree with you when to receive you. well, let's try again, so far pavlo gorbasenko has not answered any of the requests we have sent over the past... year. pavlo gorbasenko was

appointed a judge of the commercial court of the kyiv region by presidential decree in 2010 . the judge used family, friendship and other informal connections to pursue a career. in 2007, gorbasenko was married to was married to the daughter of a person who at that time was a judge of the supreme court of ukraine and the head of the court hammered into the basis of the case. and. it was at the end of the zeros that gorbasenko , who worked as a legal consultant in a private firm, suddenly decided to change his activity and get a job at the commercial court of the kyiv region, just during the time when his then father-in-law valentyn barbara was a member of the supreme council of justice, an interesting coincidence. gorbasenko remained in office even after the revolution of dignity, managed to get into several scandals and make a living with a considerable number of square meters. the judge's mother helped to earn the property a housewife, at least. so he assures,

it was his mother who gave two apartments of 116 and 136 m2 in an elite area on obolonskaya embankment in kyiv. my mother gave me two apartments and cars. here are some of the most expensive residential complexes in obolon, with picturesque views of the dnipro. prices for apartments start at $100,000 for a simple one-room apartment, and the gorbasenk family actually owns an entire floor. i wonder how much such pleasure cost. giving the apartments to her son for herself, pavlo gorbasenko's mother raised the house to more than 800 meters in the village of lebedivka near kyiv. next to the picturesque green forest, on a huge private territory of more than half a hectare, there is a two-story building, a swimming pool, altanka. where did the mother of the housewife get the money for such a big house? pavlo gorbasenko assures that all the money is for the support of the businessman's father. father is a builder with many years of experience. and in addition to construction, he is engaged in various

indirect activities, the father of judge volodymyr gorbasenko runs his business in occupied crimea, so he obviously pays taxes to the terrorist state. and this is hanna svyredenko, a member of the kyiv city council and the owner of a large amount of real estate, in particular in kyiv and the occupied crimea. according to the documents, she is divorcing for the second time from the head of the commercial court of the kyiv region pavlo gorbasenko. they allegedly broke up for the first time on december 24, 2014. however , they remained in such a wonderful relationship that they went to europe together five days after the divorce. in 2017, they had a child together, then they traveled dozens of times. abroad even during the war. all this is too similar to the manipulation of the norms of the law, presumably precisely in order not to declare property. we broke up with her in the 14th year, and therefore in the future i did not specify her, but we continued our communication, just

two circumstances under which i have to declare her disappeared. in january of the 22nd year, gorbasenko and sveredenko got married again, and in the fall of last year , they once again hastily decided to divorce. everything was organized literally. gorbasenko makes no secret of his efforts to speed up this process. my ex-wife and i tried to file a separate lawsuit in order to expedite the review. gorbasenko's divorce took place just before the beginning of the qualification assessment and the opening of the register of declarations, which the judge did not submit for 2023, despite the fact that he is passing certification important for his future fate. and he is applying for a position in another court. already on march 4, the higher qualification commission of judges should make a decision regarding the further judicial career of pavlo gorbasenko. we hope that the members of the commission have thoroughly investigated his biography, professional competence, legality of decisions and compliance of the lifestyle with the official

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sunday at 10:10 a.m. studio zahid with anton borkovsky at espresso. greetings, good evening, my name is myroslava barchuk, this is a program of its own name: a joint project of the ukrainian penclub and the espresso tv channel. today we will talk about how we should remember the culture, rank, honoring the fallen heroes. here is schopenhauer's well-known opinion that a nation does not consist of living commoners, and from dead heroes. it seems to me that this is a very deep thought, which in... should be remembered, taken into account, and in this context it is very important how we honor those who set this moral and ethical bar for us. today my guest, my guest is anton drubovych, director of the institute of national remembrance and a military man. anton,

congratulations, my respect, good evening. we will talk separately about the military cemetery, later, yes, which for some reason took so long. and in agony his idea was born and for some reason took so long to materialize, yes, where the dead are buried now military, but i will start with another question, and i will start with the question of a general memorial, a place of honor for our heroes, yes, let's call it a memorial or a pantheon, there is no difference, why in 30 years we have not had such a place of honor, but... heroes of different battles and different times, instead we have glory park in the center of the city, which became the place of such soviet tributes and the place of soviet communist sabbaths, well, there are several reasons for this, first of all, because if we talk

like this about the duration of the actual ukrainian statehood, where ukrainians really are full owners of the process, so to speak... the soviets had a pseudo-republic there, although it was supposedly sovereign under the constitution, but we all understand that it was just a colony of moscow, or a dependent territory of moscow, so in fact 30 years for the state is not... so much, accordingly, a nation that is trying to master this, itself, its symbolic space, it needs time to build such a memorial, that is, it is said to be comparable, but on the other hand , many ukrainians, in particular intellectuals already in the 19th century, they felt that the ukrainian nation is a community that is traveling to itself for a very long time, and a part of society in the political class could arise... the idea and persistence to create such a memorial object in the 90s, even because , but we see

that it never became a strong political thesis in the 90s and 2000s, but if we talk about places of memory, some places of memory have arisen, in particular, near the parliamentary library, a small memorial built by the city, by the way, dedicated revolution about him, almost no one knows, but it is heavenly a hundred, so it is a heavenly hundred, but just a heavenly hundred and generally memorial. tion of the heavenly hundred and for in some sense became this place, this space of memory, which awakens this question that you speak of, where is our great memorial, where is our pantheon, so to speak, but from a conceptual point of view, it is normal only the institute of national memory worked on this idea sometime after 2015, there were expert groups, and the cabinet of ministers approved the organizing committee, and we even prepared that under volodymyr vitrovich - it started already under me we have completed and submitted the project of the military

memorial cemetery and the pantheon , well, so to speak, we have finalized and already selected several options for the location , such as the largest two most authoritative places - this is where the arch of freedom of ukraine is now, renamed the former arch of friendship of peoples, this is the first point, because it is good in disposition. and this was initially discussed as one of the most likely locations, and the second location, we discussed with the director of the lavra nature reserve with mr. ostapenko, and near the lavra there is an ancient kyiv locus, solyana hirka, where this famous bishop pavlo of the moscow patriarchate built pasha mercedes, and pasha mercedes, built some illegal buildings, and that's it. focus is also considered as one of the possible locations for the construction of such a national pantheon, but so far the government

has not accepted and reviewed for several months, several years, well, i understand the war is now the draft concept of this pantheon, because the logic was like this, which means a three-level system memory sectors there were more than four hundred military burials in all of us in the 15th and 16th years, that is, there is a sector of military burials in all cemeteries. this is the first level, the second level - the national military memorial cemetery, a large space near kyiv, which we will talk about further, and the third level - the national pantheon, a certain symbolic point in the center, that is, such a logic, such an architecture of this system of memory, it was proposed by the institute, in principle it seems quite logical to me, of course it is somewhat classical, it is more classic, but given that we don't have that kind of infrastructure, it's very good, all kinds of innovative things, because now... we actually have to build what you're talking about, and it's classic for the nation, but in general, the world

trends that we we are entering a new culture of memories, so we need to complete this gestalt of the old, classical one and further not hinder the creation of new memorials, for example, the cross of heroes memorial was recently opened, it was actually practiced in vyshgorod in the gcc, this is an example of such a modern memorial, and i already said about slavy park, which... is located in the center of the city, in the center of kyiv, yes, by the way, not far from the lavra, not far from the museum of the future museum of the holodomor, ah, not far from this stele that is now there, ah, and this place itself, in fact, this glory park was built back in 1957, and some soviet soldiers are buried there, some ukrainians, some non-ukrainians, it seems 24, there are graves there, yes, the fact is that there is, there is eternal fire, and this place , due to

the fact that it was not rethought, it became the place where the eyes passed, on may 9 soviet, communist, pro-russian rallies like this, you remember how people went from arsenal square to there under red symbols, under soviet symbols, and here i am thinking all the time about... anton, i am thinking all the time, looking at this place , about how, what is the place in the center of warsaw, the place where heroes of different wars and different eras are commemorated, this... place on pilsudski square in the center of warsaw, under the colonnade of the saxon palace , there is a grave of an unknown soldier, and it is written there: here lies a polish soldier who died for the motherland, the idea is that to honor all those who died for poland, 18 shields

there with the names of various battles decisive for poland and... urns, 24 urns from the 24 battlefields of the second world war, and an eternal flame, a guard of honor and so on. volodymyr zelenskyi was there, bowing to the memory of an actually unknown soldier. my question is so long, with a long lead to you, why we could not bury our soldiers from different fields there in our park kyivsky park of glory. battles and make it a pantheon, it seems to me, it was the best place of memory and place, such a symbolic sign of commemoration of the unknown ukrainian soldier, i would just like to note that the pantheon, at least in the concept that is currently being discussed, is not only a military pantheon, because the ukrainian community, the ukrainian nation, as well as the ukrainian

space, are created not only military glory , outstanding artists, scientists, creators, they... now the topic is being seriously discussed so that the pantheon reflects these different stages of progress, and these were the great princes of the past, hetmans, writers, that is, people, representatives of different groups, and there is something in this is, this does not mean that we do not need to have a separate war memorial, a proper one, because the war memorial in the capital and the war memorial code are two different memorial objects with two different functions, that 's why it's just such a trailer, now why don't we did this is a problematic question , why, because it shows, in particular, our attitude as a community to the memory of the second world war, because the russian narrative, all these paper-bearers, they tried to instrumentalize the place of memory, the place of memory about the second world war, how to stop it, if it is the russian world, the soviet space, and so on, and they did not succeed, for

example, the museum of ukraine in the second world war, they tried very hard to create such a soviet space from it. some symbol, but they did not succeed, that is, the museum itself was abandoned, and the scientists themselves were abandoned, and there was opposition to the place, so on the one hand, in the 90s and 2000s, no one would even think about it, because it was not a problematized memory talk about the second world war, after the 2000s, even after the adoption of anti-communist decommunization laws in 2015, if you look carefully, there was a package in the package with communistization laws, there was a law of perpetuation of memory. about defeating nazism in the second world war, and this law is a painting of all parties of the parliament at that time in that they do not touch the memory of the second world war, do not affect, that is, a conscious compromise, the hall votes for decommunization, not ukrainian culture, so to speak so to speak, does not touch on the topic of the second world war in a critical sense, well , in the sense of rethinking, because it will

of ancient greek is a weighing, yes , that is, it does not weigh, so on the one hand the decommunization legislation launched this pro... process of eradicating the soviet, but on the other hand they put a taboo on touching the topic of the second world war, that is, they were not afraid, they could not, they bargained , this is already the second question, that is, this topic of the second world war and a serious rethinking, it was fundamental for the russians, because it is part of the scrap, for part of the society this discourse never took place in 90-2000, it appeared, well, everyone i understand that this is an important memory, because we lost from eight to 10 million people in the second world war, it is not... never a disappearing topic for us, but how to approach, how to touch the overgrowth, if even the political leadership is top, the president, the parliament could not touch this topic, and before the full-scale war they did not touch it, only with the adoption of the laws on the submission of the imperial inheritance, these fuses were actually removed , and now we can seriously talk about it, and before that no one touched it, even the biggest ones bright patriots, who alone

tried there, in particular the institute of national remembrance tried to raise this one, but at the highest level that's all... sisyvo, well, i remember that viktor yushchenko dared to touch this, he even spoke near this very museum, yes of the second world war, he once invited soviet veterans and soldiers of the upa, he said that all the people who fought in the second world war for the independence of ukraine are our heroes, we honor them, and you remember what a roar stood then, how people did not perceive, that is society was not ready. only the political class, society, fine, and now we are ready, what prevented us from doing it after the 15th-14th year, it's as if this sacredness has fallen, so slept. nonsense, well, we already have 10 years of war, now what bothers us to do it, let’s say there after the 15th, sacredness did not fall, i say, laws, decommunization laws - this is 2015, they fix

the inviolability of this topic, look how the architecture looks of this law, that in places connected with the memory of the second world war, except for monuments of the second world war, everything is excluded there, that is, this space was , as it were, put on pause, well, don't throw it away, i 'm nobody. does not say that in slavi park the graves should be thrown from the graves, there is no need to bury them, so that it ceases to be only a symbolic soviet memorial, see, in order to change, that is, what does a healthy process of commemoration look like - work with complex memory, we launch public debate, scientists, society, civil, institutions of civil society with the support of the state, it lasts there for several years, maybe five years, so that is... in the sense of, for example, there is a question that it is necessary to change the memorial, a series of memorials, change the name, for example, not 41.45, but 39.45 and so

on, this is an idea launched, the state has this pi, well, support this discourse, do not impose a ban, yes , roughly speaking, that the monuments are not touched at all, are untouched, but says that it is necessary to rethink and fix it at the political level, but this was not done, accordingly, the first part is a public expert discussion, the second private... part the state accepts the results of the public expert discussion, the third part - the state supports key objects, begins to finance and shows examples further on the ground , local self-government bodies already have their local memorials, this is how it should look, each of these stages can take several years, it was never launched in 2015, in we only only there i can say for sure that in the 19th and 20th we launched this discourse about overcoming the imperial legacy, which is called decolonization. and at the legal level they began to promote it, and here our, so to speak, irritant, our request as a state, reacted academic environment, civil

, that is why this issue is easier now after the start of the war, so if this process does not happen by itself, it will not happen, leadership is needed here, because it cannot, for example, let's imagine, a person, here is an engineer, a biology teacher, or a salesman or a saleswoman or a professor there, i don't know medicine. they live their normal lives, no one thinks about what is there in the arsenal with the memorial, they know that the second world war is there, it is somehow connected with grandfathers and everything, grandfathers, grandmothers who he fought, if someone does not initiate this discussion, does not ask a valid question, why not rebury other heroes there, they are like that, well, yes, it is a good story, but this voice of the one who asks this question should be the voice of the state, so that people seriously to this post, this was never done until, roughly speaking, the 20th year, somewhere in the 22nd, when the threat of russia was already hanging in the air. and before symbolic spaces, the last question i will ask before talking about the military memorial complex is a fictional one, for

for me, a fairy-tale cemetery , a fairy-tale cemetery is the principle of such a valuable schizophrenia, yes , when opposite the dissidents, the graves of the dissidents, lytvyn and tykhi, the cemetery, the burial of which... kagebi generals, that is, it just sounds, well, like some kind of absurdity and sur , yes, when in front of mykolaichuk’s grave, which is very modest, there is such a snow-white marble figure of the executor or executor of the murder, the executor of the murder of gongadza, that is, what to do with it when it is the central, central cemetery, and on the central avenue in fact... the whole the central avenue and all the most prestigious places, they are occupied, if not by kagabian generals and secretaries of the central committee of the communist party of ukraine, then, with

all due respect, football players now and now are of a completely different kind of value, so now they are football players, some people's deputies of the party of regions and so on. what to do with it, well, in such cases, the best way is because the issue of places of memory and burial places in general, or rather, is even more complex and delicate from the point of view of... than even places of memory, the best way is a special program or efforts of the state by strengthening these loci related to, for example, we are currently discussing the restoration of lesya ukrinka's grave, that is, the fairy-tale fairy-tale center, because it is not in proper condition, as for the level of such and such a person for our society, accordingly, if the state, for example, about will change, restore the alleys, highlight, that is, under... advise modernize, put appropriate memorials there to hrushevsky, lesya and other figures, it will be this gesture that will change this symbolic space, but it is not only a good wish,

it is... and the political understanding of this process, b) leadership, so that, for example, during the war , we will allocate a certain amount of funds from the budget for this, because no one is there, or plus the budget plus the patron, that is, it is a political responsibility, to say that it will be so, because it is right, and the third story is to see these funds, for years in the 90s, 2000s, and 10s, everyone just talked about the fact that culture is important, even now a lot of people say that culture is important, this is a strategic area, but as soon as it comes to budgetary appointments, so as not to simply say that everything should be changed, but to show that the state has show an example, she should say, here we processed the top memorial, all local self-government bodies, business, such people think, well, yes, this means it is important, because the state does not only talk, but does, then no one would do it, the only exception is for yushchenko, and then only in the projects related to the famine, yes, that is, under yushchenko , words ceased to differ, cases ceased to differ in matters of memorialization, because

the first phase of memorials was built, they were made in the country, but it was only a drop in the ocean, it was only the beginning, so it was not systematic never, unfortunately, in the field of culture, and i would also comment on the quote from schopenhauer with which you started this conversation, the fact is that it is the reason that a nation consists of dead heroes, but if a nation consists only of dead heroes, these will turn into some kind of antique, not a living nation, what is important to us is a nation that remembers in... innovates and in a symbolic space fixes the importance as such beacons from the past, the light they send forward into the future fixes these heroes , these outstanding figures of the past, but makes them part of living life, living discussion, society, scientists, because if this does not happen, well, we will have beautiful folios and dead memorials that simply no one will go to, we need to figure out how to close everything, connect it properly this

bar that... is being set for us, and in this sense, and i want to continue your opinion, specifically about the neglect of the graves, let's say, you said about lesya, there are many other graves of ukrainian writers, yes, repressed writers, historical figures, which are now in a very neglected state, i have there was a discussion with polish colleagues, we were arguing about some historical facts and... and my polish colleague said: you just go and look at the grave of stus, in what form you have the grave of your national genius, and then actually, i started to think about who should take care of the graves, so if not everyone has families there, or they can't, or as in the case of the ukrainian woman, there is no one, it's the institute of national memory, it 's some kind of city services, how? it

should work, legally it looks like it now so that if there is a cemetery like bayko, which has a special status there, then the corresponding services of this cemetery are municipal, it belongs to the city of kyiv, by the way, they are obliged to take care of it, but it is one thing to take care of it in a sense there a couple of times a year it is old-school to update the inscription, and another thing is to fundraise and start a public discussion. the process of attracting attention, for example, we met with representatives of the kyiv city state administration, with the ministry of culture, proactively, because there is an proactive person, mariana tomen from of the ministry of culture, this topic is very painful to me since the time when we initiated the change of the inscription there to and it is good that hanna starostenko from the kmda agreed, well , she reacted well to this and now we have even found several patrons there from volyn who are ready to finance the project, because there

you can't just... you have to make it beautiful, you have to make the project, it has to pass an examination, and this is an example of care at the level of a program, but it did not arise because there is some big government program, but it is care citizens, who use their duty as civil servants to do good deeds, and in essence it is what hlibovytskyi calls the mastery of one's own state, and, in fact, when we, it does not become something foreign, but becomes the norm, because you have to do, you have to occupy your state. to use it for the common good of all members of the state , accordingly, this is such an option, but in a good way, it should be civic initiatives of business, which shows, for example, that we take care of this grave, ideally, in general, it should be a state register, something like of the national care program for e places of memory, important places for...