there are two more versions that the mole could be internal and the calculation was calculated and the measures are continued accordingly, this is if it is with us, the second is if it is with the partners, of course, the third option, which i do not particularly want to assume, is if the mole is in some high echelons of power, and then the question is whether or not this bar has been removed, or whether he or she has been removed, at least from access to sensitive information, if, for example, due to some circumstances they cannot now remove the figure from public policy, so this is already a question... to the ukrainian special services to the counter-intelligence of the regime and here for sure, neither you nor i will know all this information, if we knew it, it would be more valuable for our hearsay. olezhe, here in these finno-ugric swamps, which historians called the forest, well, now it is a temporary formation of the russian federation, everything is on fire there, my god, that they not only do not speak against the president of france, francois macron, and this after he, in fact, twice , first he, and then... and his ministers confirmed

that we must finally open our eyes, see the real threat. today, he spoke, and said, with such an appeal to the rest of europe about not in word but in deed, and talked about the actual coalition to send the military to ukraine, and it was even discussed what tasks they could perform, that it is not, as they say, not in non-infantry troops, unexpectedly to... to mr. macron, peter pavel joined mission macron, the czech president is also clearly communicating about it today, that is , some kind of unexpected french-czech coalition has emerged, which appeals to the rest of europe and nato members to do something, because this is no longer, not news, that you watch on tv is a real danger, and there are also the baltic countries, and there is also canada, and there are still countries that are still silent.

they didn't say a categorical no , so that's what will happen to everyone, but we have repeatedly said in etheris, especially after munich, i said that the old paradigm has survived, related to the russian-ukrainian war, and there is nothing to squeeze out of this lemon, accordingly, munich demonstrated this it is simply clear what was understood in the expert environment, by those who deal with european security issues, in particular the russian-ukrainian war in communication with our colleagues in european capitals, and accordingly it was only a matter of time... i said that a new approach would appear, and europe is already pregnant with it, and it was felt, and in particular i said about france, and the nuclear status and their exploration of their new role in the european security architecture, and then something happened that seemed to me completely predictable, but i expected it later, i'll be honest, and now i'm surprised by how quickly france stepped up to turn the board of the existing game and say, look, the old rules. have already exhausted themselves

accordingly, there are no limits now , we are throwing the approach of russia's red lines aside, we have all the tools on the table, this does not mean that we are ready to use them here and now, it does not mean that we will use them at all, but we must be ready use them if there is a need, fine oleg, but here the inner kitchen of such things is very interesting, because at one time there were many caricatures even in the same french press about the fact that... once again i was hanging on a wire, listening for a long time putin, putin gave him some kind of pseudo-history told, we remember macron, who was the last dreamer who thought that it was possible to agree on something with russia through putin over the phone, this was one stage, they started saying the second stage, but macron, that's it, he's just playing politics , into populism, wants to take over the baton there to be the first, let scholz be the second, well, that was the explanation, that's what it is, because he won't be there anymore'. he does not have these political and

appetites to play something and play for the next elections, so then this transformation, what is its nature? well, first of all lesson one: do not insult boys with a paper clip, especially if they are philosophers and especially if they are part of the french elite, and in the broadest sense of the word, macron is far from an independent figure, but a representative of a whole cohort of the elite. and he was their representative actually opposed to le pen in order to prevent the right of radicals to power, and macron is a wider political group and a broad consensus behind him. secondly, it is important to understand the intra-european context now, which, according to the apt words of the british defense minister, is the time of dividends from the post-war europe is over, and now is the time to invest in defense, because...

the pre-war era has arrived. in the post-war dividends , money, financial, financial power was converted at a good rate into political power. and germany played the role of the first capital of europe because they were a financial center. currently, in the pre-war era, already military power plays a key role in converting into political power at a good rate, and your financial security does not have such a high conversion capacity, and accordingly france is trying now not so much to compete with germany in terms of its economic rules, but to take and convert without... into political influence, because at the moment, if you are able to protect yourself and protect others, it caters more than if you are able to to credit, and macron and the elites are now trying to turn paris into a security capital of europe, as opposed to the financial capital of europe, berlin, and this is the consensus of the elites,

macron is leaving office, he is no longer basking in his ratings, it is important for him now to take statesmanlike steps, not political ones. in order not to burn his career and continue to go for promotion, let's say there is a god, may he succeed, then history will write this name, in its tablet, we will be there later, our children will teach, then such, if all this can be done as he says, we literally have a few more minutes, i will also return to the hybrid-security and ukrainian moment, because we learned today that we have investigated everything further, and the security service of ukraine referred to the court about the russian... agent and traitor murayev, and comrade murayev was once visible on all bigboards, he had the nash channel, before that news one, before that our party was now banned in ukraine, now all this will go to court, murayev will be tried, and one

logical question arises, for that , in order to increase the level of security, all agents must be destroyed, why are they moving murayev, and not moving the people of muraev, why are all those who... just carried out russian sabotage against russia's invasion of ukraine, in the information space, all these georgitso maksi nazarovs vasi balabanovs are moving on then they continue to do the same thing, why does the hero of the russian federal channel, vadim karasyov, go and tell why to polchevsky, who i said was a moscow intelligence officer, there are no questions, why are there such double standards, as they say, some are taken to court and others are not touched? i can ask exactly the same questions, i can, of course , now find an institutional or political explanation for why this is happening, explain it, but it does not suit me, because it is not a question now about why it is happening, everything is clear to me here,

the question that this should not happen like this, and that the agency should be russian, i will not quote the late kuzma scriabin, but i will simply say. must be planted, and this is necessary so that they understand, and all others, in the future, who are ready to sell their conscience, their homeland for money to the enemies, so that they perfectly understand that this will not go unpunished, but, unfortunately, the institution of reputation and many other reasons, reaching political schedules and the convenience of controlling in this way the parts of these networks that were used with pro-russian forces, their resources, they create for us the reality in which some of them walk the streets and work hard and don't pay much attention. yes, it’s just that they all continue to remain on youtube, on tv, in all these hybrid forms, and this is precisely the option that is needed for

the security service of ukraine to work on everyone, because double standards lead to tragic moments, we will not show them, but this already happened, one of such collaborators, who was pointing russian missiles, did not have time. arrive neither the sbu nor the police, he was punished, we cannot show this cruel video, but it is there, if you want to google it, he was destroyed by the lynch trial as a traitor. yes, mr. oleg, thank you for the conversation, oleg sagakyan, a political scientist was with us with difficult issues, both international security and internal ukrainian. you are looking at the verdict on espresso, we asked you about the idea that the prime minister voiced. it is possible to reduce the number of ministries in the government by a third, accordingly, we will now see what our interim results are, 80% support this idea, 20% do not support, this is the mood of our tv viewers, we continue to collect your opinions,

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vasyl zima's big broadcast, a project for smart and caring people. you are watching verdict on espresso. we wish serhiy rodenko a speedy recovery, he is with you. will return today, i am roman chaika and you will spend this evening with me. see more in our program. reformatting of the government. shmygalal announced a reduction in the number of ministries by a third, which the authorities can put under the knife. the final ban on moscow churches. the profile committee recommends that the parliament adopt the government bill. why is the vote postponed? a year of negotiations on joining the eu. ukraine expects a negotiation

framework until march 12. how the integration with the defense complex continues. we will talk about this and other things to speak, but let us remind you that we are collecting your opinions in response to questions from prime minister shmyhal. do you support reducing the number of ministries by a third? if you think so, then call us at the first phone number you see on your screen, yes, but no, in red is the second phone number. we have intermediate results, 80 to 20, 80% of our viewers who have already voted. think so. now we will ask what my guests think. in connection with our studio, the people's deputy from the servant of the people party, head of the parliamentary committee on humanitarian and information policy and vice-president of the osce parliamentary assembly, nikita potoraiv. mr. nikita, we congratulate you. congratulations. well, we will also have a people's

deputy from the batkivshchyna faction with us. first deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on energy and housing and communal services. oleksiy kucherenko. mr. oleksiy, good evening to you too. good evening. i congratulate you. glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. so, first of all, i will ask you how you perceived, how you see the implementation of this idea from prime minister denys shmyhal. actually, on march 4, as part of the government reform, he announced that they plan to reduce the number of ministries by a third, and that they are planning to fill some of them. the attention of the ministries should not be transferred to other ministries, even to other state structures, so mr. nikita, surely you will start, mr. oleksandr, you will simply pick it up, because some of our experts and guests today questioned this initiative at this very time and do not consider it strong effective, mr. nikita, what will you say in response to such criticisms, it is difficult for me to comment on it,

since today our committee was engaged in the adoption of two very important pieces of legislation, one of which you mentioned. after that, i constantly started working with communication on this law, because there are attacks on it in the west by lobbyists, generously paid, but we can talk about it separately, regarding this initiative, i always support the optimization of the state apparatus, we have for years, this is a chronic disease of ours, state expenditures are much higher than... the level of state expenditures of developed countries, but we need to look at the prospect of this reform, because in reality we in the verkhovna rada with mr. oleksiy and other colleagues will vote for the appointment of new ministers, in this sense we do not approve new ministries, but we will definitely vote for new ministers, so

we have to wait for certain details, then we will talk about the details before us people's deputy of ukraine from european solidarity joins the conversation, she presents the parliamentary committee on foreign policy and interparliamentary cooperation. iryna gerashchenko is also with us. mrs. irina, we are glad to see you, good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes , everyone is happy to see each other. mrs. irina, by now you will already hear what we are talking about, i will just hear the opinion. what about another change in the government. well, mr. oleksiu, your opinion. in particular with regard to this idea, because here we were told that it would not turn out that the reform of the reduction in order to optimize the state administration and save money could turn into the drying up of the otsk region, resulting in even more people than there were. thank you, from your dose compression. first of all, i thank prime minister

denys shmigal for his courage, he did admit that the government inefficiently works and needs. optimization and more effective work, it was long time to do it, because we talked about it constantly, professionally, this is not politics, this is professional, as a former government official, i am ready to point out what is wrong with the government structure. second, i don't see any reform itself yet, i see such an idea that will definitely arouse such enthusiasm among the people, because the people definitely always like it when officials are beaten quickly. there's great everything behind it, does what unprofessional government mean to cut the number of ministries, the number of government officials there, that he will earn more. it means nothing at all, it simply means nothing, so i approach it exclusively as such, well, for now it is a pr campaign, then the government is ready to discuss professionally, i am ready

in my segment, as it were, where i understand, to see how much these are professional statements, so far i do not perceive it differently, ms. irina, but what is your opinion about this idea, why am i asking, because we have already interviewed many of the guests today, here are the people, for example, our viewers... support 80% of those who called us support the idea of ​​reducing the mini-ministries in the government by a third, but perhaps it would have been better to follow the path that many have talked about and simply create a government based on technocrats, i don’t know, national unity, but at least technocrats on time of war i will start with the positive, i am also from... the decision of today's committee on humanitarian policy, which unanimously supported the bill prepared for the second reading, and we

will talk about it further now, regarding the liquidation, well, the colleague just started, it is very important, regarding the liquidation of the moscow church, because it is about threats to national security, and to be honest, i would very much like to start considering this bill in the parliament tomorrow, we were ready, despite the fact that there are more than a thousand amendments, i understand from the opzzh . but we were ready to sit there for a couple of days, even at night, in order to resolve this issue, and i cannot understand how it is possible, you know, to eliminate the plenary session in half a day, although the conciliatory session has already passed and everyone in the world, as far as the government is concerned, has snuck up , you know, if to liquidate shmyhal's government, i think the country would not have noticed this in reality, because the office of the president is actually running the country today, no one knows what shmy himself looks like. because in the parliament, for example, it is the last hour and he looks good like charles michel, like charles michel, and charles michel is more often in the parliament than shmyhal, because we last

saw him in september of last year, and we were just demanding the return of the hour questions to the government, we hoped it would be on march 8, but i understand that shmyhal and they have decided stefanchuk is there on march 8, you know how to celebrate march 8, because they canceled the parliamentary sessions on that day, seriously. it is obvious that in the conditions of war, when every state penny is on the account of the optimization of the civil service of other processes, it can be considered as an option, but not in this matter, here it is true, when the government does not have a third of the ministers there and they have acting duties, when no one understands what the government is doing, it's just an imitation of tumultuous activity, that's how an imitation of tumultuous activity, when the majority tells me that there will be no meeting tomorrow. parliament, because they go somewhere, not in threes , but in tens, to inspect something there is a frivolous activity, it is not a job, in fact, we really need to reformat

the monomajority, and reformat the government of national unity, and engage not in imitation of frivolous activity, but the solution of these complex issues, which today are facing both inside the country and abroad, when we talk about strengthening the protection of ukraine and strengthening the provision of assistance to us. yes, well, i have collected all your thoughts, our viewers, professional viewers, they have heard all of you, everyone will draw their own conclusions, although we continue to collect opinions in our survey. mr. nikita, so now before that draft law, that is, before the second reading, the committee passed everything that was related, and here it was very interesting to see how your committee, which worked through everything, and the law even became quite cool. than was proposed by the government in the first reading and unanimously, and accordingly, let us recall that this is a law that was needed in ukraine in 1991,

but better late than never, on banning the activities of the russian orthodox church in in all its dimensions and forms, we have the ukrainian orthodox church in the moscow order of lenin of the patriarchate, and they can still... come up with something there, some other affiliates, in a word, we read what the committee proposes, it's great, now it stands the question of whether he will pass the top of the hall , whether there will be enough votes, and here and then, then there will be another question, regarding the so-called lobbyists, because andryusha derkach is not there, but his business of the moscow patriarchate is alive, mr. nikita, tell me , as, as will be the fate... of the second reading, well, it will definitely not be easy, but i believe that this is precisely one of those laws that can bring consensus

and mutual understanding back to the verkhovna rada. and working atmosphere, so i hope that at the end of march, well, maybe at the beginning of april, because it is not clear how long the new law on mobilization will take, and when it will be considered, either on the 20th, or maybe a little later, but this law is definitely should come up for consideration, and i hope that we will have enough votes to support it already... our second reading, which he went for the president's signature, this is what concerns the prospects of the review, regarding lobbyists i am ready now, but maybe now my best colleagues will add something else, okay, then we will talk about lobbyists for the second time now, i also want to hear ms. to irina and mrs. oleksia, what are your feelings about this draft law, will your factions vote unanimously, mr. oleksia, are you

? mr. roman, we live in a civilized state, or are we approaching it, yes, well, at least we need to see what is there for the second reading, yes, well, we can’t do it like that i haven't read this parsnip, but i'm against it, yes, i hope that our colleagues from the relevant specialized committee headed by mr. patoraev have worked professionally. the draft law for the second reading, and i myself am interested to see how exactly these criteria will be there, which for me today, for any convinced patriotic ukrainian , are absolutely unambiguous, any organization, religious, public, there is some other , which is hostile to ukraine, the harshest measures should definitely be applied to it

sanctions, including... there with defense and so on and so on, the key question here is who and in what way will determine this hostility on the basis of which criteria, because of course we understand that everything is going on, mr. oleksiy, in my opinion we are in, well, this is certainly a question that is overdue for a long time, but the temptation to announce such an organization after this will always be present, unfortunately, we see certain such inclinations towards authoritarianism. which currently exist in the country, therefore i am happy to read this draft law for the second reading, i have my own personal position, i think that the faction will make a completely pro-ukrainian state decision, as well as colleagues from the eu, the only thing i would like to note is that all the latest votes over the last year and a half there are effective, they take place in such a new coalition in the composition, no

offense, dear mr. pathurai. i respect him, but the servants of the people survived without 35 votes, they do not vote for a single one, well, in principle, such a controversial draft law for the last, but we, look, we, we even see what i am leading to, in this draft law on these voices the servants will not have to calculate exactly no no no, yes votes, i understood that you will give different votes, and then there will be no need to hope, we will take a pro-ukrainian correct state position, mrs. iryna, and i am the one on the other side of this issue, it concerns of the moscow order of the lenin patriarchate, and there are russian priests there, and one could safely call the fsb branch, well, in particular, in two laurels it is 100%, and all sbu veterans will confirm this to you, because they even know all those priests who came from transnistria me, who is

from moldova, who is from russia, in what ranks. which they wore shoots, and in this case they always emphasize to us, but there are also good priests in this uoc, mp, it’s just that, as they say, that’s where they ended up, and in this case, won’t it turn out that we, well, by this law those good ones will be punished somehow, and this law is not about the church, it is very important to convey this both inside the country and abroad, because abroad... it is really a russian hybrid war, it has not disappeared anywhere, and even there they continue to tell fables that ukraine attacked ukraine, there are other stories, so this law is not about the church, this law is really about the termination of fsb branches in ukraine, there are no good fsb representatives.