veterans of the sbu will confirm to you, because they even know all those priests who came from transnistria, some from moldova, some from russia, in what ranks and what epaulettes they wore, and in this case they always emphasize to us, but in this uoc , mp there are also good priests, it's just, well , as they say, that's where they ended up, and in this case, won't it turn out that we, well, with this law, somehow punish those good ones. this law is not about the church, it is very important to convey it both inside the country and abroad, because outside is really a russian hybrid war, it is nowhere did not disappear, ah, and they continue to tell fables about ukraine attacking ukraine, there are other stories, so this law is not about the church, this law is really about stopping the activities of fsb branches in ukraine, there are no good fsb representatives. has good russians, this is my

position, there is an aggressor country that fully shares responsibility with putin for war crimes in ukraine, they cemented this regime, nurtured it, fed it and now they do not support it, and therefore, in order to protect its national interests, ukraine must simply to stop everything that harms our interests , that can undermine our national security, and certainly the fsb branch, and... it does this today, when we hear blatant cases about the failure to mourn the fallen ukrainian soldiers, about the fact that there are still portraits of putin there with nymphs hang in these churches, and they pray there to cyril and healing, all this must be stopped, and we welcome when the ruling party supports the fundamental positions there, the army, the language of faith, the army of faith, and in this case after receiving ukraine. .. in ukrainian

of the orthodox church of tomos and the canonicality of our church, it is obvious that we have every reason to stop the work of this fsb branch, it must be done, moreover, it was precisely our political power at the conciliation council that took place yesterday that so acutely raised the question that a year has already passed since we registered all these bills in the parliament, found the most untruly soft compromise option, and it must be accepted, and you know, one more very important detail, which is related to this... we are connected with the honorable mr peraev have just returned from the osce parliamentary assembly, and where, including our , for example, american colleagues, the republicans asked us about the fate of this law there on the sidelines, informally about the church, and we are together in one voice, right here the ukrainian team is demonstrating to you, reported that it is not about the fact that some religious organizations are banned in ukraine, we are a democratic country, the church is separated from the state and... in principle, the state does not

interfere in religious matters, but when the security service of ukraine has indisputable evidence of the cooperation of this fsb branch with its metropolis, then obviously we, as legislators, as statesmen, must put an end to this. and lastly, i think that all the deputies of the verkhovna rada received these letters from a lawyer hired by the russian federation with the last name amsterdam, who recently came to ukraine. you met with representatives of the fsb branch in ryachy, and with an appeal not to vote for this bill, this will be a test, this will be a test, as to which of the deputies is really ready to admit that the moscow priests, well, they remain moscow priests, but what should good priests do? we have an orthodox church , please, an orthodox church

. i am convinced that all ministers of the orthodox church are in demand in ukraine today , and the most important thing is that they clearly understand where good and evil are, of course, mr. mykyto, i wanted to ask you, we do not doubt your specific personal position, we have seen how you are needed today bravely passed all the challenges. on the committee, so it is possible, if it becomes a law, then it will be a historic decision, very important, but what ms. iryna mentioned, it is possible to communicate with the event, because they are very, well, very uninitiated in church affairs -religious people, at one time they looked at the moscow church with its choirs in their films in a completely hollywood way...

they showed it as the third rome, they themselves bought into all these ideological fairy tales, and what can i say, the pope is still ready lead both the victim and the executioner to the way of the cross, and it is called... the norm, and accordingly, as you manage to communicate, they understand that it is not about faith, it is not about christianity, it is about the agency, which is a cross and a robe is covering up, it will be difficult, i am grateful to mrs. irina for emphasizing the international aspect of this work, this is actually what it is, literally, literally, and not an hour and a half has passed, like me and my colleagues from the committee, of all.. of these groups have already begun to engage in this work, that is, from of international communication, i am asking everyone , that is, who is in the know and ms. irina, they have many factions of such experienced heavyweights in international politics, in international communications, mr. oleksiy

has very powerful colleagues in the faction , i am asking media people, i am asking bloggers, i am asking civil activists, conveying to the event is very simple. thing, this is a law, as mrs. iryna rightly pointed out, not about churches, it is a law about connections, it is a law that says one very simple thing: a ukrainian religious organization cannot have, therefore, connections, subordination, or even more so, to be part of religious organizations that are in the so-called russian federation, controlled by its racist regime, and this applies to ... all religious organizations without exception, whether absolutely christian, muslim or otherwise, this is very important, because these are expensive lobbyists, one of which ms. iryna mentioned, they mentioned the figure of $500 per hour, we understand what crazy resources these are, and

this is not mr. derkach, this is another of our former colleagues in the parliament, according to my information, not i will mention the surnames so as not to... this is just crazy crazy money that is being spent on this, so the first lie is, so i will say politically correct that this is a law about a specific church no, the second lie is that it is a law about to pick up some property or money in accounts, another lie, no , yes, then the third one is not... the truth is that it is a law that forces someone to move somewhere, that is, from one specific church to another specific church, another not true, no, that's right, ms. iryna said, they can be there are different views on how decent the priesthood is in one of the ukrainian

orthodox churches, but i want to say that now, right now, they have a wonderful and unique opportunity to prove, not in words, but in deeds, that they are not part of the russian orthodox church. which we prohibit, and they can further, mr. roman, it is very, very important that all the final clarifications are separate, and they can further separate parishes, groups of parishes, dioceses, break these ties with the russian orthodox church, yes, that means, and remain, i remind you, for almost 30 years, the ukrainian orthodox church the kyiv patriarchate lived like this, it was not recognized, but it... lived, served people, served god, people, and nothing, and survived, and survived, and became the basis for the creation of the ocu, let me remind you, that is why nothing prevents priests and believers from tearing ties with bloody moscow, but

stay with your temples, in your temples, but just don't be mouthpieces of moscow propaganda, don't be collaborators and state traitors who... such a mouthpiece of propaganda that hid under a cloak in chernihiv , we showed it in the security service worked off the duty news, let's save time, but you say you don't want to name the last name, but we saw it anyway, because it is well documented, he was once a deputy, he was expelled from the servant of the people faction, i'm talking about dmytrouk. artem dmytruk demonstratively does this with russian priests. artem dmytruk is the one who was in odesa in spite of everything, he is the one who kissed shary and supported all his anti-ukrainian things. it is he, now that he

goes to bow to the hierarchy of the moscow church, he is the lobbyist, or are there any centers in opzh, and what is the position now, for example, of max buzhanskyi? he remains a deputy of your faction, who spoke a lot about the fact that the moscow church should not be touched, well, i cannot say anything about maxim's proposal at the moment, artem is... so he is not a member of our faction, but, of course, the center of protection of one specific orthodox church , well, ukrainians, she calls herself ukrainian, which means that he is really among the former deputies from opzh, well, at the center of this whole process is already a person who made up himself a mandate in opzh, so by the way, mr. dmytro. is not a champion among those who submitted , submitted the so-called spam amendments, there

you can look at the personnel and it is very easy to see, they really said correctly, colleagues correctly said that this is just not the kind of vote where the representatives of the former opzh will vote for it, this is the vote where they have to completely, so, well , putting aside any political disputes that really exist between us, but about ... and we'll hear your opinion, to finish the whole gathering opinions for our viewers about this of the law, i understand what, well, let's say there are caveats you talk about when you think about mechanisms, how it will be implemented, that 's why these are very important accents, which you said, and on the other hand. there is another dimension, well, no law and other things did not force

ukrainians to hang themselves at their own expense, big boards about the innocent russian tsar killed by russian bolsheviks and all other evil spirits, and this is a large number of ukrainians, well, god punishes when he chooses his mind, so with they have to do, this law will be, for sure... i ask you, well let's not confuse everything into one pile, well, come on, i'm definitely not one of those reformers who are trying to make history in general or a vacuum from our history, or to rewrite it in general, it was the way it is, and who would i didn't jump up and say there was a vacuum, you know, it can't be, and there was, there was a soviet period of history, there was a pre-soviet period and so on. i suggest, well, there's no need to talk about it now, it's a separate issue, let's talk about what we're talking about, religious and other

organizations of any type or having an ideological, financial center of influence in the country of the aggressors are hostile to ukraine, they must be liquidated in an absolutely clear procedural way, what will this method be like? as far as i understand, after all, we are talking about what should happen, through a certain procedure, specifically in parishes. by the way, i draw your attention to the fact that, according to my information, if the moscow patriarchate had and should continue to have a significant number of parishes on the territory of ukraine, it is estimated at 10-11 thousand there, as far as i know, for the last one there for a year and a half, only 1.5 thousand. those parishes, that is, church communities gathered and they voluntarily made a decision

to transfer to the ukrainian church, this is a very disturbing symptom, but it is like that, well, the church is a conservative organization, you understand, and the parishioners are not like that, i am talking about them and i asked you why once again, well, we will not declare our citizens, now full-fledged citizens, as enemies of the people, but we can make a short remark, that's exactly why, exactly why. if i want to read this law and all amendments, which were adopted there for the second reading, but if it really becomes clear that this is a clear position, and this is a law, this is not just a bolshevik decision of volunteers, yes, what is this, this document should become the law of ukraine, secondly, i emphasize, its i don't want to deal with individual deputies of the servants there, whether dmytruk is his or not dmytruk, without the servants of the people of zho. the bill today cannot become a law, that is , of course, the servants of the people, as a monocoalition, well

, according to the signs, they have to take responsibility, and others will accordingly patriotic parties, because we definitely understand that opz will not vote for it, if it becomes a law, i think it will be a very powerful cardinal fast movement, because in order to get rid of the enemy's resolve. we have expectations that the voting here will be the same as for all laws related to the defense and armed forces of ukraine. we, we have to do, ms. iryna, a small, small commercial break, after which you wanted. one more small remark, probably about parishioners, then to finish that, a little pause, friends, stay with us, and what will be born, you will see, poems that unite the nation through generations, will sound in a special way, sisters telniuk in lviv with

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i remind you, you are watching verdik. and the verdict asks you if you support reducing the number of ministries by a third, how suggested the prime minister, vote , we will sum up at the end of the program, i would like to remind you that we have three legislators with us, nikita potoraev, iryna gerashchenko, oleksiy kucherenko, and mrs. iryna wanted a remark, because we have just come to the moment, whether this law will decide something with the point of view of the parishioners we were talking about, on which the moscow church in ukraine is based. mrs. irina, please. thank you, this is really a very important opinion of the parishioners, and when ukraine received tomos, the canonical, single local ukrainian orthodox, orthodox church. of ukraine it was just assumed that people would voluntarily go to this church, and believe me, a lot of people go to the orthodox church of ukraine, which

does not say on the door that it is a russian orthodox church, and there is a big deception in this, so that in fact many of these parishes hide that they belong to the russian church, and the parishioners find out about it under such tragic conditions, when these po... moskovskyi refuses to sing the praises of ukrainian heroes, and if you see the statistics, a lot of parishes have switched to of the orthodox church of ukraine exactly when this deception was revealed, when people realized that the popes were simply lying, not to mention the fact that they ideologically belong there to the metropolitanate of moscow, and i want to remind you that there is a decision of the constitutional court of ukraine, which very clearly records that... if this church, yes , the so-called church, has a metropolitan in moscow, it should honestly write in its name "the russian church", and then for people to see what is going on, i think

absolutely the situation was different, but there , in my opinion, the decision was challenged, it was delayed in the courts it was not possible to appeal it, and they said that they are not going to comply with the decisions of the ukrainian judges, i'm sorry, but i would like your viewers to even understand what it is about, this is a structure that refuses to comply. i emphasize once again that our task is simply to bring the truth here, and you want to be a russian church, write an honest name, we are a russian church, tell the truth to your parishioners, and i am convinced that a lot of people will simply be shocked and there will be a completely different position, and sincerely we want to thank everyone to ukrainians, to all orthodox people... who is just now doing a great job and is voluntarily transferring to the orthodox church of ukraine. a very important note. thank you, mrs. irina, we don't have much time. there is one more thing,

one thing that i really wanted to ask , gentlemen, and that is the beginning of the actual transition procedure for joining the european union. they say that no later than march 12, that is, a week separates us. we have a consensus , a really huge consensus 84. for joining the european union, but we have one point, all this should start against the background of what some call a trade war between our biggest brothers and advocates on the way to the eu with poland, will the current events on the polish-ukrainian border not disrupt the beginning of this dialogue, ms. mykyto, mr. mykyto , what do you think? i hope that this will not happen, because in my opinion , after all, after all, there is a presence there, i am convinced, there is a moscow agent, there are pro-russian politicians, but there are

ordinary polish farmers, and this is a european problem, and this actually struggle european farmers with the central authorities of the european union, i hope they will find. and i hope that the polish government will communicate more actively with the european commission on march 12, you expect to start providing us with the framework for accession, as announced by the deputy prime minister, i really hope that this will happen. uh, mr. oleksiy , do you think that the father's procedure will be postponed, well , given the many circumstances, i just mentioned one of them, and there are all kinds of others, is it still as promised, yes... it will be, first , well certainly, this grain conflict , scandal, there, war, like, well, not a war, let ’s not use it, we don’t need to crush it now, because

we need to look at the map, we definitely don’t, we don’t need all the enemy countries around us, although, unfortunately , you see how the situation develops, if you look at it, it needs very precise and balanced decisions. ineffective and very pragmatic in this situation. the second thing is that in poland, there is this grain scandal, it is not only a grain scandal, everything is mixed up here. undoubtedly, there is a russian trace here, of course, here too the economy, of course, there is also politics, local elections. undoubtedly, there is dissatisfaction here and there, in poland with the european union somehow and so on, and the fact that they want to squeeze their interests and, excuse me, take money out of the european union, they defend. we need to define our national interests very clearly, i think that this problem will still be solved, although it is not easy, and this is

such a bright signal for us, well... it will not be easy for us in the future in the european union and the last, i do not want in any way that you accuse me of some kind of conservatism, some anti-ukrainism, and so on, i am definitely a supporter of the european integration of ukraine , but i will tell you honestly, i am a eurorealist, i am not a eurooptimist, unfortunately or fortunately , i am convinced that this process of integration, negotiations will not be very fast . talk , adaptation, launching mechanisms, the main thing here is that our people become mentally ready to be really europeans, and not just, well, against the background of this war, so that they emotionally say that they are in the european union, there is still a big gap, there is a big gap, unfortunately, well, someone will overcome the road there is no other way, ms. iryna, we have

one and a half minutes, actually, and your opinion... the european commission on march 12, but this is the same european commission that did not introduce quotas for russian agricultural products, this is the same european commission that has no answer to the polish guy and on a polish farmer or transporter, whether or not there will be, well, in fact , the president of the european commission, ursula fonderlein, said that in march, well , these are her last statements, that there will only be a screening of ukraine's fulfillment of the prerequisites there and a discussion of the negotiating framework that she hopes will, unfortunately, not be launched before the june elections in the european union. i see risks here, because in the next half of the year, hungary will preside with all the problems here, we really have these so-called negotiating frameworks for 34 positions, and it is obvious that negotiations are never easy, because with all due respect to ukraine, now everyone our partners, all of them will defend their national interests, including in the agricultural sector, and here it is very important who

will... lead ukraine in these negotiations, there are no negotiations on the border with poland , you know, it's a show that the government put on when they went there, they hung out there, it's not clear why, it's hard, slow, difficult, professional work, and i'm very sorry that we have, well, actually believe it or not, you can count the negotiators of european law in the country on the fingers of two hands, one of them, the strongest expert, for example, our ivana klympushin-sadze, she will be removed now. and from any opportunities there to influence it, it seems to me that we are approaching again the issue of the government of national unity, which should unite the strongest professionals on the topic of european integration, and in order for ukraine to conduct these negotiations quickly and successfully, well, colleagues, actually protecting the national interests of ukraine, we want to wish it all in your hands, actually with one voice, one fist to do an important thing for an otaku, i am

really very grateful. for participating in our program, to people's elected representatives mykyta potoraeva, iryna gerashchenko, oleksiy kucherenko, they gathered and expressed their opinions for the viewers of the verdict, you draw conclusions, and we, meanwhile actually collected your opinion on the prime minister's idea, denys shmygalka said to reduce the number by a third, well, at least to the ministry, what do we have as of this moment, the situation has not changed 80. of those who expressed their opinion through our broadcast believe , that yes, and 20% think no, the rest you have heard, and he who has eyes and ears will draw his own conclusions from this idea, how much it brings us closer to effective government and the solution of public administration, it was a program verdict and i am rumanchayka, thank you for attention, i wish recovery to its author serhiy

rudenko, well, until... new meetings, greetings to all viewers of espresso, yana. it's time to learn about the most current events of the moment. the death toll from the russian attack on kyiv has increased to six. on february 7 , one of the victims, yuriy nosov, a resident of a high-rise building in the holosiv district, died in hospital, the man's relative, oksana tkachuk, said. in the public comment. doctors fought for his life for three weeks, but the man did not regain consciousness. she died of her injuries two weeks ago his daughter anastasia. she

was also in an extremely difficult condition after... the russian attack.