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stronger together. events, events that are happening right now and affect our lives. of course, the news feed reports on them. however, it was not enough to know what was happening. it is necessary to understand. antin borkovskii and invited experts soberly assess the events and analyze them. every saturday at 13:10 with a repeat at 22:00. studio zahid with anton borkovsky, at espresso. the updated mobilization bill provides for the abolition of conscription, instead of which men will be required to undergo basic military training or basic military service. this was reported by people's deputy fedir venislavskyi, a member of the verkhovna rada committee on national security, defense and intelligence. takaza training in

peacetime will last 5 months, in wartime - three months. the deputy himself proposed to conduct such training for 150-160 days. i quote: who did not receive it before the age of 25 basic military education or training, he will have to undergo similar training. a student of a higher educational institution can choose the time to undergo basic military training during four or five years of study, it can take place at the military department, then the same will apply to citizens who do not study in universities or do not obtain it. continuous education, training centers will be provided for them. well, we continue to talk about the situation in the red sea, yesterday there was critical damage to four underwater telecommunications cables and we will actually find out how it can threaten us and you, in particular, roman khimich, an expert in the telecommunications market, is already in touch with us. mr. roman, thank you for joining our broadcast, and we would like to ask you a question. four of the 15

telecommunication cables that were damaged in the red sea, how critical they play a role in the fairly normal operation of the internet, if we talk about their functioning, and the actual provision of our planet with internet communication. and good day, i'm sorry, the fact is that i also have some problems with the internet, please repeat. the question was, i just didn't say it, about the fact that yesterday the houthis critically damaged four cables, yesterday there were also failures with social networks, at the moment we don't know for sure whether it was related to this factor, but i would like to understand four out of 15 cables that pass through the red sea were damaged, how critical is this number to provide internet to our planet? look, well, first of all, it's worth it

to say that there is no connection, simply because these cables that were damaged in the red sea and, well, in general those cables that are in the red sea-15, they connect the european continent with asia, in the first place in turn, and partly with africa, our data is found on digital platforms such as facebook, instagram, and on the absolute majority of digital platforms that we use, they are processed. in the states, or on the european continent, in the red sea, there is no direct influence it can’t come together, there, the only thing is that when such a cable, through which a large part of the world’s traffic is damaged, the process of so-called rerouting begins, the fact is that the internet by and large, it was calculated, well, it’s like that it is a well-known fact that the internet... from the beginning was

designed for an aggressive environment, so damage to one, two or three, well, even damage to individual transmission channels, yes. they do not lead to global problems, because there are new routes, they are is done automatically, and after a certain certain period of discomfort for the user , everything works by and large as it worked before, that is, the problems with facebook, whatsapp and instagram are not directly related to the situation in the red sea, but how does it affect practice? as for this situation itself, unfortunately, for some reason, little attention is paid to it in ukraine, meanwhile, what is happening there, it seems, at the end of october, has globally no less meaning, no less importance than our

war, the war in ukraine , the fact is that in these houthis, this movement, this movement is separatist, he is chinese. from the beginning, from the beginning, on october 20, he started shelling israel with missiles because of the military operation in the gaza strip, and from the beginning of december, the houthis announced that they would attack any ship that goes to, that goes under the flag of israel , or heading to israel, meaning they challenged freedom of navigation. freedom of navigation, which is, let's say, one of the holy cows, the holy cows of the cornerstone of the world system, and unfortunately, despite the fact that it's been two or so months now, the coalition

led by the united states, two carrier strike groups can't deal with the houthis yet, so unfortunately we can expect them to continue to be these cables... well, that 's all that matters to them can reach, they will destroy, how will it affect us , korozvyschem, lisitsen and so on, we understand that the cables pass through the atlantic, and this story is much more serious than it seems, you know, now they will be able to blame everything on the houthis , but to the best of my knowledge information, so there were threats at one time and certain scenarios were worked out in order to protect transatlantic cables. this is much more serious than the cables in the red sea, and we understand that it could have been, you know , a kind of test of the pen, if we say that, god forbid, but these old lubyan houthis will damage something in the atlantic, so that we get on come out, well, i will repeat once again, even

if all the cables in the red sea are destroyed, it will not be a disaster for us, but for european users. because well firstly, the rest of the cables will work, of which there are much more, and secondly, the lion's share of traffic comes from us, in our case, the lion's share of traffic is traffic with europe and the united states, it's a different matter, if as you rightly noted , if this continues and there will be... such cables in the atlantic beyond the red sea, then this will already be a real problem that can lead to the disintegration of the world internet, the world network into several separate segments, between which there will be too much interaction and exchange between which will be too complicated. and if

we are talking about partial destruction, is there any way, as they say, to redirect the traffic and how sustainable will this traffic be, because we understand that somewhere, somewhere, when there is... this is such a problem, yes, the load on that or another line, it will be high enough, and this may affect the quality of this internet, well, in fact, its availability in principle, if it is also sovereign, i am interested in the concept of a sovereign internet, god forbid, well, those three transatlantic flights have flown cables sleep like that, well, but at one time i had such a radio collective farmer in my kitchen , yes, and in the local mode it was possible to catch and receive a signal, well, accordingly, that is, some ukrainian... or european model could appear and work ? yes, of course , well, let's not forget that both in ukraine and in the european union, the lion's share, well, first of all, all of these so-called administrative administrative state

resources, they are processed either on their own territory, well, or in our case, in the european union , that is, disasters in... even if there will be all the transatlantic cables there, well , it shouldn't affect the same action, well, if of course there what, if we... if we don't know something so special about it, that is, well, by and large, there is an electronic bandwidth, that is, a problem there will be something with your so-called multimedia, as in our case, i.e. there with television, i don't know with netflix, with media content, so there will be problems, because they, well speaking, account for more than 90% of the world's traffic. and things like me, messengers, i don't know

there's an e-mail, i think it's a script , thank you, mr. roman, roman khimich, an expert in the telecommunications market, and by the way, by the way, if you remember yesterday's outages with facebook, instagram and other social networks, then do not forget to subscribe to all our social networks so that in the event that one or another platform does not work, you could always be in touch with us, now... let's take a short break and talk with volodymyr vyatrovych about the committee's own decision to support the second reading draft law on the ban on religious organizations associated with the russian federation. we'll be adding it to our airwaves in just a few minutes, so stay with espresso. uhu, well, for now , colleague vyatrovych is preparing. the news arrived about the united states, you know, well , somehow the tongue does not return to constantly

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borkovsky at espresso. well, the information day of the tv channel in rospol, now we will move on to the analysis of the domestic political situation in ukraine, in ukraine, in particular we will talk about news from the verkhovna rada of ukraine. volodymyr vyatrovych, historian, people's deputy of ukraine, member of the verkhovna rada committee on humanitarian and information policy, is in touch with us. glory to ukraine, dear mr. volodymyr, well, thank you for the timely, thoughtful and extremely kind, you know. this is a decision according to your committee, yes, in particular it is about yes, support in the second reading and in general of the government bill 8371, in particular it is about banning the russian orthodox church in ukraine, yes, well, and at the discretion of the people deputies, this whole matter will be transferred,

we wanted to ask you accordingly, whether there were any debates in your committee and? and what are the prospects and forecasts for voting? the discussion was very long, in fact it was in the committee, it lasted for several months, the fact is that from the very beginning we seem to have set ourselves the right task. in the verkhovna rada, if i am not mistaken, four draft laws were registered, which were dedicated precisely to attempts to stop activities on the territory of ukraine. unfortunately, only one was considered in the hall. the bill, the government bill , in our opinion, is not the strongest of these bills, but it is good that we decided in committee to try to combine these bills already between the first and second reading, implementing into it important norms from other laws, it took some time and to be honest, there were no special discussions among the committee members, we quickly

reached a consensus on basic things, such as the mandatory indication of the ban. of the russian orthodox church, as one of the instruments of the russian imperialism, russian peace, but instead there were rather lively discussions with the state committee for politics and freedom of conscience, surprisingly, it was with them that we had to argue for a long time, for example, regarding the same ban, the need to ban the russian orthodox church, until the last day, until the last of this meeting, until yesterday 's committee meeting, i understand that we... failed to convince colleagues from this institution, which should actually deal with issues, in particular religion, the protection of religious freedom, but at the same time understand what the threat is posed by the russian orthodox church in ukraine, which has nothing to do with religion, so we failed to convince them, but nevertheless the committee unanimously supported this whole system of amendments, which

i think make the bill much more effective. mr. volodya. i would like to ask you exactly what was the reaction of the head of the state service for ethnopolitics and freedom of conscience, viktor yalensky, to this bill, whether he had any specific comments, and i would also like to understand what the main provisions of this will be bill, because it is important to understand what will happen to the property, for example, of those churches that are now subordinate to the russian church , and some other legal points, well, first of all , about mr. yelenskyi, unfortunately, i cannot say what was actively . but his participation in the development of the provisions for the second reading, that is, the impression that they were completely satisfied with the version of the first reading, and moreover, they believed that any of our attempts to improve this bill would allegedly only harm it, so it almost until the last day not there were no comments, on the last day some rather strange comments came out, which, in particular

, provided for the exclusion of the very important, in your opinion, norms about the prohibition of the russian orthodox church, so here it cannot be said that there was no civil service for the policy of freedom of conscience, as regards the provisions, the basic provisions of this draft law, first of all, as i said, one of the key ones is the ban of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, as one of the instruments of the russian world, the second very important one is the termination of the activities of those religious organizations that are affiliated with religious organizations in the aggressor state, i.e. should arrange to conduct research into which of the organizations operating on the territory of ukraine are affiliated with some religious organizations in russia, obviously. we are talking, in particular, about the so-called ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, which is in fact only a branch of the russian orthodox church, after which

a prescription must be made by the state, which, in case of non-compliance, leads to the fact that the activity of this religious organization is actually stopped, which concerns property, those religious organizations that have their religious centers in the aggressor state, i.e. in russia, cannot use it. in ukraine, neither state nor communal property. another important provision is the provisions that provide for an easier transition from such religious organizations to other religious organizations, in particular to the orthodox church of ukraine. here we implemented in the provision of another draft law of our colleague kosankevich, which facilitates this path, because unfortunately there were many bureaucratic obstacles, and such, for example, as the need to present the charter religious organizations, given that often this, sorry, uh, yes, we hear

volodymyr vitrovich, the only thing that stopped seeing, given the fact that often these leaders of the russian orthodox church, local priests hid these statutes, this, on unfortunately, it led to the fact that such a transition was actually impossible, now it actually is not. these statutory documents should be demanded, another important provision concerns the fact that priests of such religious organizations cannot be chaplains in the armed forces of ukraine, this provision is very it was registered a long time ago, in particular by me as a separate draft law, but you see the political situation, look, mr. volodymyr, but in general, the members of the committee have an understanding of how strategists are. well, we understand, there are a lot

of priests there, i don’t know, well, they can’t wander around, you know, go around or self-consecrate there in some, i don’t know, hideouts, yes, that is, it must somehow be parallel to them to do, and this applies also to the millions, i will not be afraid of this word, the faithful, of the church, which has been throughout connected with moscow for centuries, this issue must be solved in a complex way, and here we need to intensify work with the orthodox church of ukraine, i don't know, with the greek catholic church of ukraine, because this is a serious story, and one thing leads to another . i absolutely agree with you, i think that precisely here the ukrainian churches, both the orthodox church of ukraine and the ukrainian greek catholic church, as traditional ukrainian churches, should be very actively involved. in this process in order to give these faithful, once russian orthodox church, to find another church where they could realize themselves as ukrainian

believers. i know that a huge part of these faithful simply remained in this structure due to inertia, and the problem was actually not so much the faithful of the russian orthodox church, but, after all, in its hierarchy, in its structure, in the priests who had a direct connection with moscow, often even performed. any instructions from moscow, including those aimed at undermining ukrainian defense capabilities, this is far from it, it does not apply to all the faithful of this church, so i i am convinced that a large part of them will absolutely voluntarily make a choice in favor of the ukrainian churches, others will consider loyalty to moscow, to moscow more important than to christ, it is obvious that it is quite possible that they will keep some of their attempts. pseudo-organizational, but it is very good that they will not have the opportunity to work legally, there will be no opportunity to use state or communal

property or count on any other support from the ukrainian state. mr. volodymyr, i would also like to ask you about when this draft law can be considered by the parliament, because this week the parliamentary session broke down, and actually we would like to understand what are the prospects for the consideration of this draft law in the near future. perspective and will there be votes for its adoption in the second reading? in fact, the biggest problem with this bill is to get it on the agenda, because the reason for the cancellation of this week's meetings is completely unclear, i have not heard any reasoned explanations, and there is a fear that such an unpleasant precedent, when meetings that are supposed to take place are simply canceled, and by the way, on the agenda... this religious, law on religious organizations was already for this week, so i'm afraid that if this situation continues, it's hard to predict, when he

spend in the hall, or in the hall, is it possible to get support from the majority in the hall? i think there is, because it seems to me that what happened with the adoption of this law in the first reading showed that, well, there are actually some expectations, rumors about the power of this russian orthodox lobby in the parliament somewhat exaggerated, by a large... a significant margin of 248 votes, if i'm not mistaken, the bill was passed in the first reading, so i think that there is every possibility, after the bill appears in the hall, that it, it will approved, and all possibilities are there, mr. volodymyr, well , we would like to ask you about your vision of how the restoration of the hero of ukraine

shukhevych museum in bilogorshchi, destroyed by russian missiles, should take place, right? we understand that now two concepts compete with each other, one concept is reconstruction, yes and the creation of actually the same designed house, yes, which would simply be called the restored manor house, yes, where roman shukhevich took his last battle, yes , the second version is the creation of a larger memorial complex at this place, which would contain some additional options . i think that if there is a great ambition, desire and resource to talk about something more, then it can be taken into account, but in any case , the first point should be the reconstruction itself, because we perfectly understand that the most important the exhibit in this museum was the house itself, that is, it is the house in which roman shukhevich died, in which he fought his last battle, so it seems to me that any political discussions are completely inappropriate here, the lviv city government should use any resource

from those . some are ready to provide assistance , moreover, to call for more to join this assistance, and these are the statements of the city authorities, the desire to somehow not use the assistance of the poroshenko foundation, well, they are simply scandalous in my opinion, because in fact some quality restoration work could already begin, if mr. sadovoy has the ambition to do something more, please let him build some additional infrastructural facilities around it, instead... here it is extremely important to restore the building in the form it was in 1950 , when roman shukhevich died there. yes, mr. volodymyr, and finally i would like to talk about the pochaiv lavra, because in the context of this bill on the banning of russian, actually religious organizations that have a connection with russia, we have yes, we know the fate of the kyiv-pochaiv lavra the lavra has already been resolved in one way or another, but the pochaiv lavra is still in such a state of limbo, if i may literally, very briefly, that it can... unfortunately,

the pechersk lavra has not been resolved either, because even on january 7 at the moscow rizdlo, events took place there service with the participation of onuphrius , whether it concerns the pochaiv or pechersk lavra, then similarly to how after the adoption of this law, the state will terminate any lease relationship with a religious organization, if it is a religious organization that has ties to the center in of russia, that is, if... it is the ukrainian orthodox church of the so-called moscow patriarchate, then it is obvious that it will not be able to use it. we thank you. volodymyr vitrovych, historian, people 's deputy of ukraine and member of the committee on humanitarian and information policy, was on our airwaves, talking about the draft law on banning religious organizations associated with the moscow patriarchate, that is, with the russian church and with moscow. well, but... sometimes

it's time for news, so we pass the floor to our colleagues who have already prepared an up-to-date and fresh information for us, and with you, anna yevamelnik is already picking up the baton and actually we would like to ask you what this issue will be about. thank you, colleagues, start this issue with the situation in the region and the consequences of enemy shelling, be with espresso. the russians killed one person, wounded seven others in the kharkiv region, the enemy hit the village of borova, probably with an iskander m missile . a private house, a garage, an outbuilding and two cars caught fire. a 70-year-old man died, he...