glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. today in the program. destruction of objects of the occupation corps in the kursk and voronetsky regions palace. russian oil depots, how far the armed forces can reach. limitation of freedom of maneuver. the defense forces push the russian fleets out of the black sea. how will this affect oil exports from russia? blackmail of the ministry of defense. one of the largest food suppliers is under threat do not enter the auction. what is happening with procurement for the armed forces. over the next hour, we will talk about this and other things with...

our guests, colonel of the security service of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine roman kostenko, journalist tetyana nikolaenko, and andrii klymenko, head of the monitored group of the institute of strategic black sea studies. in the second part of our program, which will start literally in an hour, there will be political experts maksym rozumny and oleksiy koshel. however, before starting ours a long conversation, let's watch the video of the consequences of the strikes of russian and... ukrainian drones on strategic objects in the kursk and vuronitsa regions of russia, in particular, a large-scale fire occurred at the oil depot of the mykhailiv mine and beneficiation plant in zheliznogorsk, in kurshchyna. let's see.

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to congress is true 0800 211 381 no 08021382. all calls to these numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will summarize the results of this vote. today, the army of the russian federation carried out a missile attack on odesa, when the president was visiting the city ukraine's volodymyr zelenskyi and the prime minister of greece, kyriakos mitsotakis. you see, the greek publication, which first published this information, claims that the target of the russian troops was the presidential motorcade, zelensky himself confirmed the fact of the attack during his visit to odesa, let’s listen, it seems to me that we only heard about moskar, we saw this relevant attack today , well , you see who we are dealing with... anyway, things

are going nowhere, i know that today there were victims of all the details, i don't know exactly, but i know that there are victims. i know that there are dead, there are wounded, because of this blow, my condolences, please accept, but you see, it doesn’t matter, they are military or civilians, whoever they are, there are international guests, these people don’t care, and as the spokesman for the naval forces of ukraine, dmytro pletenchuk, five people were killed as a result of an enemy attack on the port infrastructure. odesa, today is a bright memory of these people. and we have our first guest, colonel of the security service of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine roman kostenko. mr. colonel, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. i wish you health. well, mr. colonel, today we started

our program with information about the attack by the russians, it was ballistic missiles that fly very fast and from the occupied territory hit the... odesa port area or the port area, and at the time when i was there president zelenskyi and the prime ministers of greece, it is clear that in the conditions in which the russians are waging war, and those rules, or rather the lack of rules for waging war, they can act and do anything, how do you look at this history from the point of view of... where is this border, beyond which the russians have not yet crossed have crossed over, but they can cross over, because well, when two leaders of two states, and they certainly knew that they were in odessa, hit right on the city, what does this mean for the world in general, not even for

ukraine, well, we really see that the russians once again showed that they wanted to spit on... such rules on european leaders or their statements, which they say before that, that they have claims only for ukraine, they fire ballistic missiles without even looking at who and what is where, therefore, of course, we should understand it, and so should the world should understand this, perhaps this is another such lesson, i would like this message to be read correctly in europe as well, that it was not just here that they talked, heard the explosions of rockets and... er returned to europe and continue to live peacefully life, they must understand that it can happen to any country now, that missiles fly anywhere, and they do not have, as a rule, restrictions, europe, at least they cover most of them, so of course, this should be such a wake-up call for everyone leaders,

including those who make decisions on the transfer one or another technique, i want to say that greece is also enough for us there and at the beginning of the war it helped us with weapons in general, it is a country that is armed. in many respects soviet weapons, that's why they helped, let's hope that he will continue to help and tell his colleagues what, what is it when iskander explodes nearby? literally a day ago it became known that the international criminal court had issued arrest warrants for the commanders of the russian long-range aviation killers and the black sea fleet of the state. terrorist, well, we are talking about high-ranking officials, that is , the commander of the black sea fleet of the russian federation and the commander of long-range aviation in the russian federation, zelensky welcomed the decision of the international criminal court to issue arrest warrants for high-ranking russian military personnel involved in

crimes in ukraine. let's listen to what zelensky said. in particular, they carried out and are carrying out a terrorist campaign against our state and... people, strikes, in particular, they carried out and are carrying out a terrorist campaign against our state and people, strikes against our energy industry, our civil infrastructure, these are obvious crimes, war crimes of russia and crimes against humanity, and it is in this regard that there is a principled movement in the international criminal court. when international justice begins to work, it is no longer there. justice for ukraine, for ukrainians and for the international community, in general, will definitely be restored. these two commanders are the third and fourth people in russia who already have a warrant from the international criminal court. president putin,

the children's ombudsman, that is, the people who took participation in the removal of ukrainian children to the territory of the russian federation. now we see that this is the commander of the black sea fleet and the commander. of long-range aviation of the russian federation, here are these orders, mr. colonel, in the third year of the great war and in the 10th year of the russian-ukrainian war. what does it mean? this means that for the first time the military, the russian military, are receiving serious warrants from the icc, although russia does not recognize it, and this is a painful decision for the ukrainian state, or does the world understand that these warrants should be thousands or tens of thousands, because many commanders, commanders of various... links are involved in the murders of ukrainians, and they also have to appear before the international criminal court,

of course, and what is the difference between, for example, the commander of the ground forces there or some other commander there from these two , yes, they strike with rockets, but also on the front line we have many villages, especially at the beginning of the war, what are we talking about, they want to accumulate a few victims in order to issue this order, no, from the very beginning, themselves the first shots from the same. systems of volley fire, or guns , mortars, civilians die, that's all, they committed aggression, therefore all those who are responsible for it, those who carry out criminal orders, in general, aggression against ukraine is an international crime, they should appear before an international tribunal in the future , and this is a fact, and i believe that even in the first months of the war, these warrants should have been signed, and all of them should have been... recognized as criminals, and it would, well, i doubt that it would have

anyone from the russians in the future there, they would think before stepping on the others positions, but it would be another demonstration for us that if a person is appointed there, we remember how in the beginning they appointed the commander of the airborne troops there, then they were removed, then put in, the person would know if she is appointed, she is appointed from the very beginning to a position that entails the fact that you are an international criminal, you will stand and answer to the tribunal, it should have been that all of them were criminals from the beginning of the position. colonel, ukrainian drones successfully attacked twice today mykhailo mining and beneficiation plant in the kursk region of russia, and this was confirmed by sources in the gur-ministry of ob'. the defense of ukraine said that it was a special operation, the russians also reported about

a drone attack in the voronezh region and in belgorod region, and yesterday the russian oil depot near belgorod was hit dense enough and painful enough, will it be felt at all for those... who live in russia, that is, whether it is in principle in at any moment, the russian authorities will explain that they are ukrainian nazis, or rather nazis, that is, people who are attacking the territory of the russian federation, that they must be destroyed, because what they are doing, they are destroying our oil depots, b' are attacking our strategic objects, how much is this critical mass of how the ukrainians will destroy strategic objects. and objects of critical infrastructure, how will it affect the situation inside russia itself and will it

affect? well, these blows, they once again show that our system is increasing, gradually, the number of means of destruction is increasing, we understand that this is what has been done in our country, and it is very good that we are developing this direction, this is the first, second, how sensitive it will be, well, it is difficult to say for russia, how sensitive it will be, because we don't hit civilian...objects, and for the russians everything that is not on them, everything is allowed, and as far as we can see now, we have destroyed their manpower, equipment, well, they don't particularly suffer from it, so of course, in order for them to feel it, you need to build up potential, to make not only drones that fly, but to make our missiles saps, launch them, and so that they hit more targets, and then economically, i think, first of all, when we... lately, the security service has been hitting their oil refineries factories, and this also affected their situation, including

inside, regarding the fuel restrictions there, we saw that they are even there due to the fact that they are waging war and that there is an impression, they even banned it there were exporting some brands of gasoline, because they understand that the problem with this is internal, that's why of course, you need to build up this... darkness, will it give its result, or quickly? well, let's not deceive ourselves, let's say so, not quickly, but the result will still be, well , our result will depend, among other things , on... the weapons that our partners will provide us, that is, the question regarding taurus long-range missiles , yes, this question has been raised, and especially now in the context of this new scandal with the recordings of the conversations of the soldiers of the federal republic of germany, which is also gaining momentum, because the russians released these

recordings of the conversations of the german military, which they are discussing a strike on... the german authorities are already dissembling themselves in front of the russians, they are talking about the fact that, in fact, maybe there were such conversations, but we did not have anything in mind , we did not say anything about what this could be, and this is what he says and boris pistorius, and olaf scholz and other officials of the federal republic of germany speak about this, they apologize. the russians are saying, sorry about these conversations, how is this whole story, this whole spy story with the wiretapping and the release of these conversations, how is that going to affect the further acquisition us these long-range weapons? well, we see that the russians are doing everything to disrupt the transfer of these missiles, so of course, first of all,

this is a question. to the intelligence of germany, that they allowed themselves such a puncture and talk about such serious things, and let's say so, it is unprotected somewhere there using wi-fi in a hotel, a hotel, that's why there is a question, and of course it will somehow affect now there in this same international, let's say , not that international, well yes, i think that several countries will fall under this scandal, because first of all... germany has convey, someone has their own vision , the same french, germans, non-germans, british, who have already given a number of missiles and are waiting for these missiles to reach us, so let's hope that in the near future somehow this issue will be resolved, so that there will still be a question of how many of these missiles we really need, if it is there 5-10 for a tick

of missiles, it will not solve the issue for us, if it is a certain number, which was even discussed... in these negotiations, it is already can we talk about something, mr. colonel, i will ask you at the very end of our conversation about the law on mobilization or about the bill , because there is no law yet, there was a first reading, then amendments and amendments, more than 4,000 amendments, 4,100 in my opinion, if i am not mistaken, and the question is what and where, and where is this bill and why him? they consider it as a priority and one that was insisted on by the same president zelenskyi, who said that it is necessary, it is necessary to consider, this is this is necessary, it is already necessary for yesterday, not for tomorrow, mr. colonel, do you hear me, we yesterday they

lost contact with colonel kostenko, please redial, sorry, you can see the connection. which is not stable in ukraine, now we will call colonel kostenko again and ask him about this bill, because information has already appeared that shmyhal is developing more fair approaches to the reservation of conscripts, and there is information about this, but there is no information when this bill is being considered in the second reading, more than 400 amendments, mr. colonel, what is being said in your committee about the mobilization bill. when it will be entered into verkhovna rada and when will it be adopted in the final version? we are working now, just as we were working today, there was a committee on this bill, we are looking at the latest amendments there that did not fall into the 16 blocks that we considered before, look, well, as i said, i think that until the end

we should have time for him to go to the hall in a month, and again it will depend on whether there will be meetings, or whether there will not be such a thing again that the meetings will simply be canceled, if it is scheduled in the second half, then i i hope we will have time to prepare this draft law, then everything will depend on how it will pass the hall, how people's deputies will make their amendments. that is, when it will enter into force is unknown, because the president still has to sign it, if he does not sign it, he will return it to the verkhovna rada, then the verkhovna rada must take into account its amendments and changes. and it is not a fact that this bill will become a law, there are many options, there are still options, when he does not even return there with his proposals, in order to return it, we need to impose a veto, and we already know a lot. options, when they can lie there for six months without a veto, it's like, for example, the 25-year bill, it's been lying there since may, probably more than six months, yes, but it's still not signed.

thank you, mr. colonel, for the conversation, it was roman kostenko, colonel of the security service of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine. friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live on social networks, please like us. videos, subscribe to ours page, and also take part in our survey, today we ask you about whether you approve of zelensky's decision not to attend biden's speech to congress, let me remind you what this question is related to, with the fact that elena zelenska during the delivery of this speech wanted to sit next to yulia navalny, and perhaps one of the reasons why zelenska did not want to visit washington was precisely her reluctance to sit next to the representative. the russian movement that is abroad, not the opposition, but the movement abroad, i will call it that, if you think that this decision of zelenskyi not to go to washington

is correct, 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, then we will be in touch with andriy klymenko, the main editor of the black sea portal. news, head of the monitoring group of the institute of strategic black sea studies, mr. andrii, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. congratulations. mr. andriy, let's talk about what is happening now in the black sea, because it is very important important from the point of view of fixation, in the course of the current war and during the deployment of defense forces in the black sea basin. according to the estimates of the naval forces of the armed forces of ukraine, the ukrainian military has already destroyed a third of the 80 warships of the black sea fleet

of the russian federation and damaged quite a few. this was stated by dmytro plytenchuk , the spokesman of the navy, a captain of the third rank, he says that these are 27 units together with a submarine, of which 14 are notable serious units of various classes, this large... landing ships, missile boats, and submarines and a patrol ship, but at the same time he says that there is still a lot left in the arsenal of the russians, can we say, mr. andrii, that russia is losing crimea as a base for the black sea fleet of the russian federation? well, you can say that, of course , and i will say right away, well, first of all, i will make such a remark that i... the captain of the third rank platynchuk names all the right numbers, of course, i just don't want to be such

a skinless optimist and i don't want to be pessimistic like that, of course, which is now in all the naval forces of the world they studied at the leading naval academies. the course of events in the black sea over the past two years, because unexpectedly for many the concept or strategy or strategy projects of the development of the mosquito fleet, they received such a visual confirmation, and this is done for the first time on such a scale, military operations, in war conditions. and , in my opinion, the following conclusions can be drawn: er, well, first of all, er, of course, russia has brought almost all of

its new missile ships to novorossiysk, er, this is the first conclusion, er, and, in this sense, of course, the importance of sevastopol, as the main base of this navy, is... sharply decreasing, there are many different ships currently stationed there, the main ammunition depots of the black sea fleet are located there in the cracker beam, it is in the direction of inkerman, there are 6 kilometers from the entrance to of the main bay of sevastopol, that is, the significance remains there, but they base their most valuable ships, the novorossiysk, and what is hidden in them, which continues to pose a serious threat to the entire territory of ukraine, is undoubtedly a rocket launcher. ships that are capable of

not to carry, to shoot, which were fired at all of us, during all these two years, with caliber missiles. they have two missile brigades, three missile corvettes of the buyan-m type, and three karakurt missile corvettes in the formation, the fourth of the four, essentially originated at the zaliv plant, it is the most likely. it will not be in service and three submarines out of four, the fourth is seriously damaged, they are now trying to somehow restore it there, so to speak in sevastopol in the dry until now, that is, it is 11 units of caliber carriers, but there is still a problem, the problem is that, look, according to our monitoring data, on september 25 of last year

, shelling with calibers stopped, and only at the beginning of this year, they fired three caliber missiles on the territory of ukraine from the ships of the black sea fleet. there can be two reasons, and i think that no one will give an exact answer now, but maybe a complex of reasons, well, first of all, for this. it is necessary to transfer them from the same main ammunition base of the black sea fleet in a cracker beam, transfer them by sea, because there was a case last year when an echelon with calibers was blown up in in the dzhankoy area, they are now very afraid to carry it across the bridge, through the kerch strait, because it is not in a condition to carry such valuable cargo there, and that is why they

are transporting it, including by ... the largest landing ships, which they use as a ferry, and it cannot be ruled out that the same tsez kunikov, who was going to sevastopol and was sunk opposite my native yalta, that he was going to pick up a batch of caliber rockets and take them to novorossiysk to load on missile ships, i.e. what am i leading the missile to the danger remains. yes, yes, it is possible that in russia, there are problems with the production of these missiles , because there are many foreign components, but this danger remains, yes, it cannot be neglected, this is the situation, that is, and for a missile, the caliber does not matter, where it is from launched, it has up to two five, 2,500 km, range, it is almost to london and almost to madrid.

that is, this is all our military, military sailors know everything, that is, but here, well, there is no need to fall into such optimism here, it is necessary to prepare for any eventuality with these missile ships, that is, the transfer of ships or the transfer of ships from novorossiysk or further there to abkhazia, there is absolutely no fundamental importance for these missile carriers, ten absolutely yes. that launch these calibers at a distance of up to 2,000 km, this is completely understandable, but explain to me another story, in 2010, yanukovych signed a series of agreements with medvedev, which provided for the extension of the black sea fleet's stay in crimea until 2042, there was a package of documents and gas

debts and gas discounts. and many, many everything, and it was clear that it is fundamentally important for russia to keep crimea as a large base, a naval base, first of all, because this infrastructure, which is in novorossiya and beyond, which they can build in abkhazia, is in the future can be there, well, what a serious harbor, serious, and it does not give the opportunity, it is possible to control the black sea completely, yes. like sevastopol, is it possible to say now that in the future, russia cannot and will not be able to restore the presence of the eyes of this great a group that existed since the time of the soviet union and was of great importance for the entire black sea basin, but we will be crimea.