on his own vision creates a sample and then offers it to the military, you said that you are certain, there is a certain dialogue in the relationship, but still , is there any formal basis for our developers to know in which direction to move and what from them some units are waiting. you see, you asked a very good question, in my opinion, this is the basis, this basis, it should be written directly to those who will use this technique, based on the results of the tests on the range and already according to the results of the tests on the contact line, what the general staff did very well, he was the first to implement those grassroots initiatives that appeared more than a year ago. after all, he prescribed it, we

have a separate one, it’s unmanned systems, and it’s fantastic, in other words, eh, it’s, you know, a very cossack story, when you, as a free person, can come up with things while in the army, it’s very regulated structure, a very hierarchical structure, but when you show some initiative in the ukrainian army, at least no one interferes with you, summarizing the answer to this question, it is not from general staff it should go from top to bottom, do it like this , this is the general staff hearing how they work in the fields and , well, just ready to help in this, so i am very hopeful with optimism, i look at this whole story around ground robotic complexes, around unmanned aerial vehicles , because we have a good interaction between a soldier and a man with big epaulettes, that is... well, of course we have

bureaucratic difficulties, i don't think you are interested in hearing about them, but the most important thing is that this distance from directly to the operator of the ground-based ground-based robotic complex to the person in the general staff who makes the decision, she first of all has this contact, he is there because of all kinds of initiatives, this is a very ukrainian story, and of course, well, ideally we would like for... him to be, to make things happen faster, but let's be realistic, a year ago we only talked about the fact that it would be good to somehow try to fight with the latest technologies on the ground, today we already have quite a few prototypes, and some already have direct combat experience, operators and some prototypes have already been modernized based on the results of their work on the front lines, so dynamo... positive, let's accelerate

if possible, but the most important thing is to fight for god's sake not to stop. mr. oleksandr , i asked the guest editors very much that you participate in this program, because , relatively speaking, your unit acts as a certain, well, generator of ideas and tries to, well , push manufacturers to create certain samples and for these samples to be used for exploitation by of your unit, so it was with this module, the saber module that you used... is your division, now i hope that certain robotic platforms will come to you, and what will be the formal side, you use the module, you accumulate experience, then you write certain recommendations, these recommendations go to the developer and maybe now they will go to this the command of a new breed of troops of barren systems, so that this experience can be scaled up there, this formal side of the matter has already been established, is it effective, does it work, does it have results. well, why didn't you

answer this question a year ago? the saber was, you know, such a super thing, well, it’s a really strange story, but it’s just not uncommon that people wrote to me in the comments that listen, well , that’s a good idea, but it won’t work, so now it’s already, well, now it’s already a reality on front, there is excellent use of these ground robotic complexes, the third assault. all the more units that are included in this process, er, so er, well , we can monitor the dynamics, which of course is better, ah, just the more units there are, which work directly with the manufacturer, like you asked how it works, i'll tell you how it works, the way it works is that the manufacturer and i... er, saber turrets and

lynx platforms, just shook hands and said, guys, you have something, what we can go to war, let us be a weasel, and we'll just announce that we need it, we need it, we're ready for it, well, it's a certain risk, because when you take some new technology to war, you're still taking a risk , well, because it may not work, and well, it will be a risk for you personally, and accordingly we are taking a certain risk, but you be a weasel and meet us, that is, give us something to risk, and they are very clear, i will tell you that some of the sabers that we got, we got. from manufacturers , summarizing what has been said, the vast majority of manufacturers are interested in giving these products to us directly for testing, even if they desperately need money, well, because you understand that, well, it's not so much about earnings, but

about the dynamics of production , relatively speaking, if you find money for a prototype, then you need to find money for at least a few more prototypes, and as you understand... not easy to find money for it, but we, as the commander of her unit, perceive it also as a personal task, i need to find a donor for the manufacturer, if i succeed in this, great, the manufacturer perceives this task in the same way, he needs to find a donor, to give me your product, and when we work so synchronously, it succeeds, of course, it doesn't always succeed, of course, it doesn't seem to be on the scale that we would like, well, but listen, dream about the impossible, and it will succeed, at least a part of it also, mr. oleksandr, thank you very much for the inclusion, for your explanation, let's dream about the impossibility of achieving practical solutions on the battlefield, i would like to remind you that my co-founder

was oleksandr yabchanka, the senior lieutenant of the honor company of the vovka devinci battalion, and this unit was precisely trained to introduce techno. logical decisions in order to conduct combat operations with the enemy, relying on the capabilities provided by both robotic platforms and saber-type modules and other models that allow the destruction of the enemy, while the fighter remains in maximum safety, this should be ensured precisely technologies, we will talk about how samples of such unmanned systems are created, which are needed on the battlefield, but here we will rather talk not about the technical parameters of this or that product, but about what slows down, or what needs to be changed, so that this process of creation is much faster, more dynamic and met the needs that the military itself is currently forming. about all this after the informative advertising block.

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is expanding, but in any case, the manufacturers have a number of basic questions for our customers, there are a number of proposals, and now we are joined by kateryna mikhalko, the executive director of "united technological forces of ukraine, mr. katery, ms. kateryna, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you, have a good day, thank you. thank you very much for the invitation, on the website of your association of technological forces of ukraine there is written the phrase that i already used in a conversation with the military, about the fact that it is necessary to fight with robots, but not with people, and precisely due to the use of technology, your association seeks to preserve the life and health of as many ukrainians as possible. i would like you to tell our viewers in a little more detail what... for what purpose was the association of technological forces of ukraine created, when it

was created, what enterprises are part of it, what is its goal? ugh, you are absolutely right when you said that the latest technologies today help, first of all , to bring our victory closer, to give an advantage to the front line, and it is also important that they help save and preserve the lives of our military, because part of the operations that are performed by humans can be carried out effectively by drones today, but it is important for the state to purchase these drones efficiently, predictably and do so that ukrainian companies were here , stayed here, did not go abroad and only increased their capabilities, for this the technological forces of ukraine appeared, we help the state authorities with our analytics to shape their policies there conditions for conducting defense business in ukraine were more comfortable, how many enterprises are currently part of your association, what is the specialization of these

enterprises, do they participate in the implementation of a state defense order, what about these components of your association, currently the association has more than 20 enterprises, some of them have been supplying weapons to the front line since the 14th year, some of them appeared recently, they are all united into one. the idea is precisely the application of the latest technologies on the front line, that is, every product that manufactured by these enterprises, has some kind of innovation inside, that is, whether it is unique software, or the use of artificial intelligence, or some specific developments that relate specifically to the hulls and hardware components, but all of these are the latest models of weapons. and i know that you conducted a survey among the enterprises that are part of your association, where you sought to identify the most problematic or bottlenecks in the development of the enterprises themselves,

their cooperation with customers, and you described it as a certain pyramid of industry pains , so i would like from would you like to hear what our manufacturers are currently suffering from, what worries them the most, what systemically worries them, what needs to be changed? the first and most important thing is the predictability of the order, because at the moment... it is already march and part of the enterprises that manufacture weapons, drones, which have already proven their effectiveness on the front line, are still not contracted, and this is an absolute disaster for the private sector. to exist this production, to support its teams, of course, you need to have working capital. this is currently a big challenge, because part of the enterprises just don't understand when they get contracts or if they get them at all. it is very important for the state to plan the purchase of weapons for 2-3 years. currently, the maximum amount of planning that the private sector receives there is

6-2 months. it shouldn't be like that. the second thing i would say is localization. it is very important that... we have preferences for local arms manufacturers, because for the last 30 years , the rules of the game were such that all preferences were given to imported zemstvo weapons, that is, to manufacture abroad, it is more profitable and more comfortable, it shouldn't be like that, there should be an advantage for ukrainian manufacturers, and thirdly, let me say that it is important to integrate the ukrainian market into the world market, so if some manufacturers do not receive orders from ukraine as a state, then it is important to allow exports. they could transfer their technological samples of weapons to our friendly countries and partner states and thus bring currency to the country. and about these problems, i think that you talked with representatives of the ministry of digital, the minister of technology, er, the ministry defense, what is the reaction to the fact that these moments,

which are painful and difficult for manufacturers, need to be regulated in some way, is there... any positive feedback from our officials? in fact, i am very grateful to the government that they are listening to the industry, and a lot of deregulation has already happened in the last two years, and that is, the rules of the market cannot be compared to what was before, that is, there is a positive direction of activity and law-making in the government and in the parliament in including, but simply the volume of problems is so large and we haven't had it for so long there were reforms. of this industry, which of course takes some time, you talked about the fact that it is necessary to seek to export products, if they are not completely bought by the ministry of defense or other power structures, to the extent that there is such a political moment here that, relatively speaking, how can we

export, when we ask our partners to supply us with weapons and... to give, how can we bypass this trap, which is ideologically created around this issue? well, i would say a few important things on this topic: firstly, it does not reduce the amount of exports weapons that can be produced by ukrainian companies, on the contrary, increases this amount, because when companies receive additional capital, they can increase their capabilities, so exporting products abroad does not reduce the amount of weapons that ukraine will have inside. the second thing i would say is that, for example, in such fields as the production of drones, we have made great progress, we have many different models, and objectively, not all of them are needed by our army, because they have different functions, or ukraine not always has enough funds to buy back all the lots, so it would be reasonable to allow this excess production to be exported. there are other categories of technologies in

which ukraine does not have such a large capacity to manufacture them, and it is they that are usually in demand. to our western partners to provide us with technical assistance, but it depends very much on the category of technology and the type of product. and going back to the issue that you raised in ball's list and the fact that relatively speaking, local or local producers feel in worse conditions than foreign suppliers, it concerns the determination of the price, the terms of purchase, which here is especially... in relation to our manufacturer and supplier of foreign -made products, well, to import suppliers , for example, the limitation of the cost of products does not apply, that is, they simply submit their price offer, and if ukraine needs these weapons, we buy them. for ukrainian manufacturers, this is a cost regulation, it is

very rigid and uncomfortable, and this quantity is there. the profits that companies make are not enough to do reinvestment in the latest technologies , so that's the biggest pain there, import suppliers have much more resources to invest in the latest developments, these resources later, eh another aspect that is more difficult for us to influence, like the state, is that , that ukrainian manufacturers, they are under fire, and they are very often a target for the russians, and that is... this imposes certain security risks, of course, on the teams that make weapons, and it would be nice if the state would help, for example, underground premises, and somehow made additional subsidies so that these... underground premises could be used as a production facility. i would also point out the persecution of law enforcement agencies, which

happens because the legislation in ukraine is not always unambiguous for local business, there is a risk of these persecutions, which are not always appropriate. of course, when we are talking about arms importers to ukraine, they do not have this risk of ambiguity of ukrainian legislation. that is, it can actually be claimed. that such reality is, well, conditional speaking, it even pushes our national manufacturers to leave ukraine and create enterprises outside ukraine, under other brands or under their own brands, but to move away from these national difficulties, which relatively speaking, well, significantly complicate the manufacture of defense products, such trends, among your enterprises is that we want to go abroad and create a company there? unfortunately, such discussions exist, and i would very much like to emphasize now to the state authorities that if we do not have it, ee preferences for the ukrainian manufacturer, if

the orders are not predictable, if the export of surplus products is not opened, there is a great risk that a large number of enterprises, if they do not leave completely, will at least think about opening subsidiaries abroad, in ukraine, as a state, we do not need this at all... it is not necessary for this to happen, it is very important to preserve this defense-industrial complex, which we finally built at such an incredible cost in ukraine, and therefore these three points that i have listed, they are key to that , in order to ensure that enterprises will remain in ukraine and pay taxes here and, of course, supply weapons directly to our army. mrs. kateryna, i will still ask about the association itself, because linguistically speaking, we mentioned about... the purpose of this association, but we still did not name the enterprise, i think it is still worth to remind our viewers that among the members of your association there are enterprises that

have been engaged in the production of military products for more than 10, and even more years, including system, skyeeton, atlon avia, deviro, that is, those enterprises that have serial models that have already been tested by the war, that have such highly professional teams, bought the spare parts. and actually they are the top enterprises of the ukrainian defense industry, when you talk about the pains of enterprises, it actually means that the largest and most stable, most powerful manufacturers suffer from the problems that you told our viewers about, that 's how it turns out, that's all true, moreover, i will say that until the 22nd year they actively exported their products internationally market, so it can be said that these products are competitive on the world stage in the west. countries and also some of the developments made by these companies, for example the shark drone, which i think many ukrainians know, it was a development with the company's own working capital, during a big war,

during the risk of shelling, with all these legislative blockers, that exist, so the industry very often creates the latest models of weapons that give us an advantage on the front line, contrary to the circumstances that we have, and not thanks to it, panikaterina, but where is it now then businesses? are taking funds for their primarily new developments, because on the one hand we know that part of those projects that you mentioned were collected with volunteer money, part of it was the funds of the companies themselves, the government says that they raised the profit rate there by 25%, and this is quite enough to spend randy there in certain companies, but what is actually happening with the finances for creating new solutions among the leading defense industrial companies? this is a big problem, there is a shortage of working capital at all large leading enterprises funds, and it is difficult to find funds for the latest developments, to be honest, we are grateful to the foundations

for the fact that they purchase weapons, it helps a lot in moments of unpredictability of government orders, the foundations save companies and make these purchases, you mentioned a profit of 25% there, i want emphasize that it is this 25% they do not take into account. the development of the latest types of weapons, i.e. the r&d process, i.e. in no way the development of the latest types of weapons, it is not financed by the state, and this is in principle true from one point of view, that companies really have to invest in it themselves funds, but simply in the absence of all the other conditions that i listed earlier, that is , the predictability of orders, the export of these working capital is constantly insufficient, so companies here invent different ways, sometimes they take investments. sometimes they try to find loans, but none of these ways are clear and easy. you mentioned loans, at a certain stage

there was an initiative that loans for... defense enterprises should have a zero or minimum rate, but they talked about it and forgot, that is, i understand that now loans are everything are just too onerous to create new projects at the expense of this, well, yes, because defense companies do not have a great opportunity to give any guarantees to banks, that is, what should these guarantees be under, if, for example, their production capacities, they are a target for shelling russian rockets and it is clear that the banks see this as a big risk, and these are, after all, arms manufacturers, which is such an additional additional reason for the banks to check these companies in more detail, so some special lending programs that would worked out at the state level, they would really be useful to this sector, because currently there are no such programs. and another component is the development of the professional

staff. creative teams , production teams, how about it at your enterprises , because when you talk to individual directors, everyone talks about the fact that it is actually, well, such a significant problem, to find designers, to find technologists, to find guys or girls who can doing these or other things correctly is, well, as they say, essential problems, should the state help here, should some mechanisms be created there, so that this component related to the training of persons'. to solve somehow systematically, yes, i would probably emphasize two directions here, this is the first training, that is, we have specialized universities that could now focus on the latest technologies specifically for the military sphere, it would be very useful, including in issues of military training, how to use the latest weapons, including drones. the second important question is which one

private companies to protect these... talented workers whom they find, because the question of harrowing is critical, because now the mobilization company is active, and often these employees who have very specific knowledge, who are difficult to replace, are mobilized to the army, but it is important these companies to keep and give reservations to the defense-industrial complex, because it still ensures our technical advantage on the front line, and it is important that these people ... in enterprises, continue to make ammunition, drones and develop the latest technologies that give a significant advantage on the front line. panikaterina, and extreme questions, what is the main goal that your association seeks to achieve, well, by the end of this year, what is the most priority and important for all enterprises that are united in your structure? we are building a market economy in the field of defense industry,

so the key topics for us are... visibility of orders and localization of production in ukraine, this is what we are working on the most. panikaterina, thank you very much for participating in our broadcast, i hope that we will continue to be in contact, highlight and support all your enterprises that are part of the technological forces of ukraine, i will remind our viewers that it was kateryna mikhalko, the executive director of the association of technological forces of ukraine. these were the main components related to... the use of the technological potential of our defense enterprises, the military wants to have technological solutions, robotic uniforms, unmanned platforms in order to use them effectively on the battlefield, our industrialists are ready to manufacture and supply them, but need a systematic attitude from the government and the elimination of those obstacles that, as we see, still exist in order for this process to be fast, effective and multifaceted. so

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