the special representative of china was told in kyiv about the war and the peace formula, the results of lihui's diplomatic tour of european countries. we talk about this and other things during the next hour with politician and diplomat valery chaly. in the second part of our program, which will start in exactly one hour, there will be a journalism club. andrii yanitskyi and yanina sokolova will be guests of our studio. however, before we start our big talk, let's see. video of the explosive stop of enemy equipment by the bulava unit from the separate presidential brigade named after bohdan khmelnytsky was destroyed by a russian tank with the help of an fpv drone and min. let's see how it was.

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it is important for us to know your opinion. we have our guest on the phone, valery chaly, politician, diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-19, mr. valery, i welcome you, thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. let's start our conversation, mr. valery, with the visit of today's president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, to turkey. this visit has just begun, and the meeting of president zelenskyi with president erdogan is also continuing, as far as i understand, judging by the information tapes, the day before the office of the president of ukraine said that the topic of conversation with recep tayyip erdogan will be the peace formula of ukraine, the organization of a peace summit, security shipping in the black sea, global food stability, and liberation.

prisoners and political prisoners held in the russian federation, and , of course, joint projects in the defense and industrial sphere. mr. valery, over the past two years, we have seen many efforts by erdogan and erdogan's efforts to become a mediator between ukraine and russia, but each time because of moscow's position, he failed to become a mediator between ukraine and russia. to provide their mediation services, do you think erdogan can now play an important role in a possible conversation about possible negotiations not in the format of ukraine and russia, but russia with world leaders and ukraine with world leaders about the future of ukraine, about the withdrawal of the russian army from the territory of ukraine.

well, let's start with such a global question that you asked, and what negotiations can be about now, that is, i don't understand at all how there is a possibility of discussing this format of negotiations, the ukrainian side has already clearly stated the position, well, the peace formula and de-occupation of territories, protection of ukraine, a clear position that no... russia again with its methods of lying, excuse the slang, to disperse everyone, that is, the position is known , the russian position is also known, to record the annexation of the territory of ukraine, despite all the rules and norms of international law, there is no subject of any negotiations at all , about mediation, here you asked two options, the first option is the mediation of turkey in such a... global to some kind of process

, well, it is hardly possible , there are many different arguments here, but i will tell you this, here is some kind of mediation, it can be... be, the usa can be a mediator, allies such as britain and germany, france, that is, they can be mediators, and what is the option of turkey's mediation between kim and kim, between russia and nato countries, well, hardly, so if we talk about the mediation of the head of turkey, regarding the supply issues, well, what is called grain. well, he quite successfully achieved his goals and image goals, maintaining and increasing relations with moscow and with kyiv at the same time, that is, it was a success of turkish diplomacy, and as it turned out, in

principle, it lasted for a long time, although it is russia that destroys such approaches, which by the way , probably turkey has noted, but... c as a result, i can say that there was a diplomatic success, and his personal role here is great. as for broader issues , it is possible to exchange prisoners, there are also examples of turkey's active work and success, well, in particular, you know, our guys from azo were under agreements there for some time, so there is also mediation in this regard, but here what about the mediation... as you say, between russia and ukraine, well, it's a situation that doesn't look at all realistic yet. well, we will wait for the results zelenskyi's visit to istanbul , because it is already known that he visited the ship there, the construction

plant where the corvette, the second ship of the ada class, which will be called hetman ivan vyhovskyi, is being built, it became known today, that is... turkey helps us and fulfills our orders and always cooperates with ukraine in defense and military in the defense-industrial complex. mr. valery, another event that happened yesterday, but today it continues to be discussed, is the decision of president zelensky to appoint valery zaluzhny as the ambassador of ukraine in great britain, despite diplomatic practice. well, despite any rules that exist in the world, in accordance with the vienna convention, the ukrainian side announced that zaluzhny would already be the ambassador to great britain, how correct was it, how

motivated, and whether the ukrainian side was running ahead, announcing zaluzhny as the ambassador to great britain great britain before receiving the griman, well, i... i will only comment on my part of foreign policy and diplomatic practice, after all, i am an expert on all issues, so this is the first position: appointment ambassador to britain has not yet taken place, according to ukrainian legislation , the appointment is made by a presidential decree, by the way, many people do not even understand that even a presidential decree is not yet the departure of the newly appointed ambassador of ukraine to the host country, he must... still do certain additional steps, then there are relevant orders in the ministry of foreign affairs, which for some reason now forgets, by the way, there is a countersignature of the prime minister, and the minister of legal affairs submits a candidacy, in the constitution of ukraine, even in case of dismissal

ambassadors, there is a position that these steps of the president should be signed and countersigned by the prime ministers. affairs, although it is a very formal procedure in our country, but there were times when this was closely watched not only on bankova, but also on mykhailivskaya and hrushevsky. now with regard to this announcement, which took place before the party to whom agriman is approached, agriman is a request for agriman , it is a request from one party, to accept the candidacy specifically... for the position of ambassador and to give his consent, accepted, well, as a rule , and accepted, in the principle in the world now is not to refuse, these are some extraordinary moments, if they refuse, but nevertheless it is definitely not accepted to announce, to announce it

in advance, it is considered, it may not be a démarche, well, it would be strange if, in the case of a candidacy, the démarche is perceived . but this is considered a violation of customary international law and in principle does not correspond very well to the convention that you talked about, because it is the vienna convention on the law of foreign... on foreign relations, it is precisely the fourth article that says that a country has get confirmation of grim, that is , agriman, confirmation of consent to the appointment of such a person to the position of ambassador, this does not apply to other diplomats, it also applies to the military for the positions of the general staff, there is also a certain preliminary procedure for such a preliminary agreement, so as a conclusion, what made by the ministry of criminal affairs in ukraine, it is done. in my memory, not only mine, i think that colleagues who work professionally

in this service know, this is the first time this has been done, in other conditions, the receiving party could perceive it as, well, such a person is not very polite, let's say it's not a friendly step or a breach of secrecy, that's right, the main thing is that it's a secret, it's not accepted, it's not accepted in relations, as if it weren't for britain being so friendly to us and other conditions, then... we could just refuse and that's it , but in this case we will call on our british friends to understand our situation, and to us and the ambassador in kyiv, i really hope that he knew about such a decision, and i really hope, well, obviously the leaders of britain knew, otherwise i can't imagine that decidedly sunok could not know this, he knew, but here did the embassy in kyiv know in british, well, that's different. the question and regarding our issue of an official comment, to issue

an official comment of the ministry of foreign affairs, that is, it is against all the rules, well, i will tell you, these rules are in the textbooks of first-year students, i myself taught international public law, protocol, there at the institute of international relations, there clearly all this is written down, moreover, i will tell you if we even take test tasks for diplomats who want to take up new higher positions there. they have somewhere around 40, 45 questions on this vienna convention, and well a strange situation is developing , we ask diplomats who take up positions to answer one thing correctly, and do another, so it is not a very good story, to break all these rules and all international norms, i would say so, to humiliate their professionalism, that's all and... i'm more interested in it here, because you know, we have people, we will have people change, some will enter, others will leave,

the story continues, after all, the main task is war, victory, but professionalism and compliance norms and respect for partners, especially uk, this is something that i think is very important, should be advocated, and if we just stay silent, if it comes into practice, then we might not now, at some stage, just get... some unfriendly action from even partners, if so we will act in diplomatic ways, very freely juggle international rules, well, it may well be that the decision about the inmate was made by those who did not study and do not know the norms of the vienna convention, this can also be in principle, it cannot be, it cannot be, because , because the spokesman, the spokesman of the ministry of foreign affairs, natolenko, is not natolenko. who heads diplomatic academy, and i think that

in the last week of his work, well, in this position, i am not sure that this is the best ending, and of course specific people are responsible for this, there are names in the ministry of funeral affairs who are responsible for this, no it is necessary to shift all the responsibility to those who give political assignments there, and there is professional work. after all, your back should be straight, you should have some professional skills and a straight enough singing voice to explain above, even to the level of the president, that some things can be done differently, you can't if you want to do it, there are other ways, i see a lot of options here, how it could be done in the wrong way, so i think it's great, everyone knows, moreover, i 'll tell you, it's not very diplomats have accepted professions. very much so, let's say, as just a one-time situation, but we are talking about something completely

different, we still need to return , it seems to me, to professional principles and defend them, if no diplomat will defend these professional principles, then our the diplomatic service will go lower. and how would you rate personnel the policy of president zelenskyi in the diplomatic sphere, there was a lot of political... significance and many people perceive the diplomatic service as, well, as some kind of language pension or some kind of departure abroad as a departure from some position and they give the person there the status of extraordinary and plenipotentiary ambassador, you , as a diplomat, as a person who has known this field for a long time, what can you say about it, because we can name many cases of such strange appointments in belarus, in bulgaria, grant that the ambassador was appointed in a very strange

and incomprehensible way background and he... she went to switzerland as an ambassador , so there are many questions before such appointments, to what extent it destroys this system, which was built in ukraine since 1991, i would say from a legal point of view, the president, he heads the country's foreign policy, article 106 of the constitution, he has the right to decide, i.e. these issues, i just told you that there is a procedure that... actually the minister of foreign affairs is responsible for such decisions, and the prime minister even countersigns in some cases, so , well, when the dismissal, that's why i i believe that on the one hand here, well, there are points that you and i are discussing, but it is the president who determines these priorities, how it is done, now it is no secret for anyone that

the center of making not only political decisions, but also external ones, has moved. such , but very specific such solutions , functional, he moved to banking, so in principle it is possible, maybe the realities are such as regards the approach itself, well, there was always an approach, they talked about it, the approach was always that there can also be professional diplomats, kar years, can be so-called political appointments, but the so-called, why i say, are political appointments, when a person is engaged in foreign policy. or related to international negotiations in different formats , in different positions, that's one story, well, in fact , he has an education that can be applied here, and fluency in languages, of course, then it can be considered, but if it's exactly what you said , what to send somewhere away from

the internal politics of ukraine, or i don't know, for some favor, well... it would be very wrong, it lowers the status, because it it's hard work, if you don't sit back, but do the job as much as possible, especially in key countries, and it is obvious that the work of diplomats, not only the ambassador, because the ambassador alone does not do everything there, there are employees of foreign diplomatic institutions, there is diplomacy, let's say, well, it is wide in various departments, and this is a huge job, huge, especially during the war, it's just a circle. on work, concentration of efforts and in general, this should be the maximum selection, but if it turns into just after some positions are transferred by ambassadors, well, as a rule, it is said proboslov, then this will eventually, after a period of time, hit very hard on the motivation

of career diplomats, who sometimes spend 20-25 years in order to reach such a level, this... on the one hand, on the other hand, they understand that maybe you don’t need to engage in such and such a practice, just a diplomatic one, and you can, maybe you don’t know the entire vienna convention, well, i jumped out at once, so yes, it has a bad effect, especially if the proportion of these political appointments is already off the charts, that’s true, take a look for the last there are a dozen appointments, you will understand everything, and the second there is a question that can be solved even with such an approach, such a model. unfilled positions, something needs to be closed already, somehow the issue with this publicized initiative of african embassies, which has not ended in anything, you remember the competition, there are all those who want to, let's go to africa, let's be ambassadors, nothing has ended, it seems that a year has already passed, i.e. more than 20 positions in the world are not filled, well, there are

some that should be paid more attention now, and norway is the same, and there are many norways now. is making efforts to help ukraine, there is the issue of the czech republic, but there it seems is closing now, well, there are countries in asia such as the philippines, malaysia, that is, there are, there are places where it is simply very necessary to have ambassadors right now, well, everyone knows this, but in principle , the impression is that these empty ones remain for other purposes positions mr. valery, to end this conversation, i will ask you, not as a diplomat, but as a politician, and why do you think the servant agreed to this proposal, if not a diplomat, i will tell you, ask a question to fedorovich zaluzhny. e of the president of ukraine, this is basically their question. thank you friends i would like to remind you that we conduct a survey during our broadcast and ask you about whether

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the president of the united states of america said. putin invaded ukraine, and he will not stop there. but ukraine can stop putin if we stand with her and give her the weapons she needs, and this is all that ukraine is asking for, it is not asking for our soldiers, there is not a single american soldier in ukraine, and i will resolutely make it so, but now help to ukraine is being blocked by those who want to withdraw from world leadership. mr. valeriu, tell me, was joseph biden convincing in his speech? well, in principle, the american viewers

are now saying that the first issue was ukraine, and the struggle for democracy in the world, justice, freedom, and then about nato, said the us president, this it gave him speech, it gave him dynamism, that's for sure. because there were a lot of further questions about the internal american situation, where there are different opinions of supporters of the current position of the us president, but here, well, no one was able to somehow show, even being in the hall , even speaker johnson, that he is against such an approach, although, of course, speeches these are speeches, and although this speech, the address to the nation, in essence, the state of the union, the state of affairs in the state, that is, it is very widely broadcast, many people see it, and in this regard, it is very

good momentum now again attention to the issue of aid to ukraine, very good at the beginning so concentrated, i can confidently say that this is very good, so i can only approve of it, but i will say that joseph biden has also spoken very powerfully before and... and in principle i will hope that this speech will not change the pace of the adoption of the aid package there, the pace itself. i think that eventually they will come to this, but it is necessary to take decisive steps now, i would advise to quickly make some decisions there , at least for 200-300 million for immediate needs, that is, those needs on the front that are now needed in the coming weeks, and shells and... for the hymers and for everything else that has already been delivered, thanks to the united states, and to speed up everything that has already been decided, where the funds already highlighted, and so that it was

at the front, and secondly, after all, the time has probably come to recognize russia as a country that sponsors terrorism, so it is not only such a definition in the usa, it is not only countries that finance terrorism, a sponsor, like us we perceive it, but so do the countries themselves, which are involved in such actions, especially now against the background of the statement. embassies, i understood in moscow that moscow is preparing terrorist attacks in its own country, that is, we also have many manifestations, for example, the seizure of the zaporizhia nuclear power station, you forgot about it, somehow it all went into the shadows , that is, i think that it is necessary to turn now to talk about, to insist that the us made this decision, there is a decision that the us and the administration can make unexpectedly, when there will be a package. this saga, which has turned into a soap opera, it will continue, it will end there, it will not be the package cut down to certain other conditions, but he will, i think that

the chances of this have increased now after. the decision of the supreme court, when donald trump was actually, well, allowed, in fact , to enter this campaign, that is, well, they allowed the wrong word, but removed certain moments, so i think that the recognition of russia as a sponsor of terrorism, a country that sponsors terrorism, this will be a sign , gesture, non-recognition of the so-called russian elections and a clearer position, and work in this regard with other partners, it will also be useful, directly svid... what kind of military is there help, where it is possible to allocate from the existing needs, well, still, a strong move would be, for me, a strong move would be, after this statement, inviting ukraine to nato at the anniversary summit in washington, joseph biden would remain exactly that decision in history, i am not saying right away that this will lead to nato membership, but it would be a powerful signal to the kremlin that, in principle, all decisions have been made. about

the victory of ukraine, it would be a signal, well, let's see how the decision will be. you already mentioned donald trump, he in his post on twitter, or not on twitter, in his social network trash social, said that biden betrayed ukraine and called him a puppet of putin and xi jinping. i will quote what trump wrote. he said that i bowed to the russian leader, he gave them everything, including ukraine. i took nord stream 2, he gave it to them, he was a puppet for putin and xi, and practically every other leader, trump wrote, while the former president of the united states of america emphasized that russia invaded ukraine only because putin does not respect biden , according to him, this would never have happened before the trump administration. well, trump probably forgets that the war has been going on for 10 years, and in principle, some of his statements about

biden and about ... what he didn't give there, and his flirting about xi jinping and north korea and about other countries, which in one way or another are now putin's allies. all of them did not comment on the internal situation, including statements. the following is much more important to us: there was an option that we could be like this, well... for the company, and the issue of ukraine, we did not avoid this, so in principle, maybe it will be good, because donald trump actually pushed joseph biden there, if you can say so politically, on the issue of ukraine in the campaign, now the issue of helping ukraine has become the subject of the election campaign, so it is not so bad, it will be more difficult, of course to work in this regard, but it will already be the attention paid by the entire

american society, you know? what it means? this means that voters are also paying attention to it. traditionally, in america, foreign policy in general is about the 20th issue there. and now it's not even a question of the near future, not even the question of china, which continued to be heard, or of south asia, but the question of ukraine came up again in the discussion, in the debate at the highest level. this is a platform for powerful ukrainian work, that is, we can use it, well, without going overboard. red lines neatly from the point of view of domestic american politics, this is a new challenge, and i think it is necessary to remember, it is not for us, let's say, to choose the president, it is the business of the american people, but i will say that, well, that's also, you know, only on statements look, i look at the result, i look at the result, and joseph biden is doing a lot now

to help ... but we want, well, to have a slightly different strategy, and we are looking for such a solution together with our allies, and donald trump still made a political decision to send lethal weapons to ukraine , let's be honest, the democratic administration had not made that decision before, even though we were showing the same thing to them and explaining how it was wrong not to do it, under donald trump it was done, i was at the... in those negotiations i was directly present together with the president of ukraine and the minister of foreign affairs affairs, that is, there was this conversation and it was precisely the lethal weapons, this unspoken embargo that was overcome precisely by the decision of donald trump, no matter how much he might not want it right away, so you know, let's not bet on...