tv [untitled] March 10, 2024 3:00am-3:30am EET
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such a transformation of a person in the conditions of a totalitarian regime, when a person actually becomes the personification of this regime, a person has to give up everything personal and merge into some kind of community, this is, as you know, in germany this was a hitlerian truth theory, that is, some russian is now under putin, this is just right this is the community, and therefore poses a threat to them. who, who carries a national identity, some kind of cultural identity, that is, because it is an enemy element, i agree that it is special in crimea, because it is important for russians to show that this is russian crimea, here i want to remind, it is not yet the trump factor, we constantly talk about the fact that the arrival of trump is threatening for ukraine, that trump can force ukraine to sit down for negotiations with russia, that's all la-la, but... we have to understand who
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he is donald trump? this is a person who repeatedly expressed himself so casually, not as a statement, but simply he demonstrated his worldview, saying, well, listen, well, crimea is there, it is russian, the russians are there, and it should be like that for trump and for everyone, who supports trump, there were none, the russians were there, so the russians, by the way, recently i am watching the promotion of videos with crimean, allegedly crimean. we tatars , who say how they fight voluntarily in the russian army against the fascist junta, and how they, therefore, protect their native russian crimea, they can now see that these videos should be removed, well, it is obvious to any media person that they filmed, there is a good direction, that it is staged, and it spins, and the faces are covered, so we do not know who are the crimean tatars, chechens, who is it in general, maybe it is a resident of the rostov region, but here they are... and such videos
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right now there are a lot of allegedly crimean tatars who are telling how the fundavashists here are going to destroy their native russian crimea, this is about this, this is all, this is all such a message to trump, and when we talk about the threat to trump, i want to remind you that for trump there are no problems with taking and recognizing the russian crimea, but in general he does not care about international law, just like he cares about putin, he can do it. to do alone, because he wants so, that's why we, when we say that he, he can sit on the table of negotiations, in russian under the conditions to speak, no, he can recognize the russian crimea, and for this, this whole spectacle is being considered, this is what is being done, so we are, of course, in great danger, i believe that ukraine, the ukrainian state should now, again, as it was in in the 14th year, when the russians tried to show that crimea is a conflict. between ukraine and russia
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, and crimea has always been russian, ukraine took over, began to support the crimean tatars, their subjectivity, their right to self-determination, and in fact, in the international imagination, crimea became equal to the native crimean tatars of the people and its territory of its historical residence, now ukraine should once again strengthen this narrative regarding crimea, once again begin to demonstrate crimea as the history of the indigenous people, the indigenous peoples, which are crimean tatar, ukrainian and crimean, and that what russia is doing is ethnocide, instead we see that we are somehow not playing the same game as before crimea, and in i would like to remind you that even the mezheles of the crimean tatar people are not legally designated at the state level, and this is a big question to the ukrainian state, which we will certainly raise in...
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she expressed her support for ukraine. it was necessary to be absolutely sure that the person would not betray. there was judas iscariot, who later turned out not to be the person he was. it was worth telling all this. i came to the ukrainian language, so as not to drive through the roof. it's like a defense mechanism. i, if i recorded some voices in ukrainian at home, it was just like that with the phone in my face and whispering at home and that's it, i didn't want to leave, and i couldn't stay.
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you'll have to figure out how to get there, or in some truck, or in a box, or in a coffin that's lying around, if you don't feel safe, please leave. hello everyone, this is realia donbas and i'm olya terebynska. today we will talk about life in the occupation. we managed to find people who grew up on russian-captured donbass, they were able to leave there, and we were able to talk frankly with them. i would like to note that all our interlocutors are still studied at school when russia was occupying their cities, and, despite the overwhelming kremlin propaganda around them, the reluctance of parents to give their children ukrainian passports and, in fact, the threat of life for dissent, our heroes learned the ukrainian language, found their own and united.
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well, now let's listen to stories from the occupation. for the 14th, 15th, 16th year, i don't remember the explosions, that is, they were, i know it, but there the focus shifted to other problems, there were more serious problems than the explosions, our family was starving, that is, many families were starving, some were trying to survive in apartments that were not heated, someone told me that they were gathering there. they all went together in a single room somewhere in the budenovsky district, because it was the only room where they warmed up among their friends
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. things that happened, and i and my environment i was 10 years old and i remember that i didn't understand anything, well, i suddenly began to hear a little mocking of ukrainian symbols, i saw how, after the occupation of crimea, the russians posted all kinds of nonsense about the fact that the class, crimea is ours, everything is like that there, and it made me angry. but what resistance can a 13-year-old child have, when the adults around have their own position, who have banally more experience of such, purely demagogic, to shut up, it is clear that no active opposition at that age is
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could go and i already knew that there was a war, but when i tried to... ask why, what happened, i don't even remember what exactly they answered me, but it was never something clear, and then over time they became , and then over time the results of the rule of the dnrivtsi became more noticeable, that in a few years everything became, factories, jobs, the economy and so on, there was an awareness of the fact that... why all this was necessary, and the awareness was not only in me, and many others, even regardless of their ethnic identity or deep political values, they simply began to see that we are plunging into the wrong place, into some mixture of 1984 and post-apocalyptic, and
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post-apocalyptic, of course, all ukrainian channels were connected instantly, as soon as they got to... of course, all ukrainian channels were disconnected instantly, as soon as they got to the television studios, and with the books too , they began to remove them from the libraries, and schools, for example, to translate the teaching into the russian language, i don't... i remember what they told us about the maidan, there was some piece of information, it was at the end of the 11th grade, it was spring, it was the last days, i remember that they were talking about gangster territories, that we had a very gangster region, that the oligarchs, that we tried to separate there even earlier, are studying the history of ukraine, now it is impossible to study the history of ukraine now you can't. and the history of what to study now, the history of russia? it seems that russia has not
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yet joined, or the history of novorossiya or the dpr, then even they themselves did not understand what they were building at all, that is why such a subject as the history of the motherland arose, by the motherland they meant donetsk region, but in a broad sense, understood, donetsk, but in a broad sense, they talked more about the beginning of the protests in donetsk, and not about the ukrainian protests. i found out about this, about the fact that they existed, i think 5 months after the invasion, i studied there in international relations, and there was such a specialty in the unrecognized dpr, i studied there in international relations, there was also such a specialty in the unrecognized dpr, we had a teacher who later went to work for the so-called council of ministers, she conducted information sessions.
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a warning, but rather with such a hidden one , but it was said precisely not to threaten that people with improper subscriptions or reposts will have problems? i fell in love with stus, i liked him from the time when he voiced his poems there in tikto. i was very attached to him, be patient, be patient, patience will grind you down , your spirit will steel, so be patient, and then i find out that stus studied at my university, and that right at the entrance, where now there is just such a little disgusting green paint, there there used to be a memorial, and it really affected me. some emotions are difficult, the same was the case with
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information about the protests, i did not know that someone defended the ukrainian soborality there to the last, i did not know that they were, for me, they told me that the maidan, the maidan was in kyiv, i somehow learned that there were protests in odesa, in there were protests in kharkiv at the beginning of the 14th and 15th years, but for donetsk to be defended by someone. i didn't know that, and it somehow hurts a little, there is one distinguishing feature that was in life in the dpr, there is one distinguishing feature that was in life in the dpr, it is that absolutely almost everyone, even if they are pro-russian, even if pro-ukrainian people were clearly aware of one and the same thing, this is not what they expected, but if it is clear from the side of pro-ukrainian people, why did pro-russian people expect the same thing to happen. that crimea is ours, that everything will pass quickly and bloodlessly, and that just such a fulfilling life under
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russia will begin. in fact, it did not begin, even after the annexation. it felt like time froze in 2014. if you look at the photos of donetsk before the war, in 2014, at the very beginning and at the current ones, you can see that not a single new one has appeared buildings all that changes are billboards. menyaetsya, this is bilgordy, come on! in those days, i call them the days of horror,
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there was more information from hearsay, from insiders, from conversations than from any official media, well , even then it became clear to me, for example, that everything was going directly to a full-scale offensive against with the participation of the russian army, all the more so since they began to literally pick up those they could from everywhere, accordingly, it also became a danger for me to go outside. and so for a month, from the end of february to the end of march, i sat in one in the room, without even leaving the front door of the apartment. this is how any man of military age, even a student, lived. even an adult who did not want to get into this war with all his might , my friends, acquaintances, boys, they did not go out at all for six months at first, there were a
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lot of students who were of the right age for mobilization. they were mobilized, and i even know people with whom i once studied at school, who were mobilized, who have already died there, but those that i know, it was all the people were not pro-ukrainian, so it’s not that i’m very sorry, among my teammates... among my teammates, not so many actually got into the dpr army, even i would say a smaller part, most managed to successfully escape or get some positions with armor , so to speak, my former headmaster, who went quite deliberately, although he sincerely hoped that unprepared students would not be thrown into
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the manholes, but they were still thrown and there was another friend of mine, accidentally got there and also... died there, yes he was a student but to what extent can something be illegal if there is no law as such at all, well, how much can something be illegal if there is no law as such at all? i went to twitter, that solved everything, i just had emotions of horror, i saw the news, they were of a completely incomprehensible nature to me, i couldn’t understand how they entered the territory overnight, i couldn’t understand how they were shooting overnight so far, that is, they have advanced so far, they are already shelling so close, for the first day i could not react to it in any way, i had panic, confusion, i checked if my acquaintances were normal, uh, and here it began - the research stage began, because
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as it turned out, not everyone... was of the same point of view as i was, the first arguments began, among acquaintances, among strangers began, the first open hatred began, i began to take it absolutely seriously for the first time, from the very beginning the hot water disappeared, there were periods when they turned off the e... water completely and did not give it for several weeks, then i had to go to the some e-e points where e water was given out, water it was served for 5 hours, it seems like once
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every three days, it was brackish water, very brackish water , it was yellow, gray, it stank, but nevertheless, thank you, at least it was water, because later, when i started reading the stories of people with mariupol, it was a horror for me, that i think how good it is that i always had this dirty puddle in the bath, if only for something, hard, hard, hard, hard, without water it's hard in general, i don't know, at the beginning full-scale... repetition, i was very careless and i openly expressed my support i have ukraine on my instagram, and purely because of this carelessness of mine at the very beginning, there are many people who supported ukraine, they already knew about me for sure that you can
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discuss everything with her, and then when i... a month later closed my account, there these people were already filtered out , there were plenty of such chats, there were plenty of such chats, because such people were and remain, and it is clear that they wanted to somehow unite in this dystopian atmosphere, the problem was that, for the most part, these chats did not exceed 10-15 participants, because it was very difficult to add someone there, you had to be absolutely sure that the person would not betray, and it still happened that even in such small chats there was judas iscariot, who later turned out to be the wrong one.
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learned about such a phenomenon as modern ukrainian music even when i did not know it, the renaissance of ukrainian music at the beginning of the invasion and ukrainian culture in general, that is, i remembered the existence of elsa's ocean. everything else, even, even, no matter how funny it sounds, even bright serdyuchko, she is very helped me not to go through the roof when
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the full-scale invasion began, uh, many of the bloggers i watched from tiktok, some even from youtube, switched to ukrainian, one of the bloggers from instagram posted in the story that she was switching to ukrainian, because... this is how she manifests her identity, and it resonated with me very, very much, and i switched to er in correspondence with my friends whom i could trust, er to ukrainian, i came to ukrainian language, so as not to drive through the roof, because i studied russian at the university language, and i needed to somehow separate myself from it, it felt like dirt, i needed it... to cover it with something, to wash it away, a strange allusion, but also, somehow to separate my brain from the thought that
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is expressed in russian, and the thought , which is expressed in ukrainian, because the opinion expressed in russian, it can be different, well, at the beginning of the invasion, that is, it could be pro-ukrainian, it could be pro-russian, there are also surprising opinions about deneer, mm, such a very strange consensus. it's like a defense mechanism, meaning you you know that those who speak ukrainian, they are a priori on your side, if i recorded some voices in ukrainian at home , it was just like that with the phone in my face, whispering at home and going out all the time, i had to remind myself, yes you switch to russian, in my... not in the district, i know a lot of people, not that there are many among all the people, but right here in
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every house i know one or two military and dpr citizens, so it was quite dangerous , er, speak ukrainian louder, before a certain large-scale invasion, ee ukraine. i didn’t feel separated from ukraine, because i don’t know if i’m currently in the program for children, we had a subject from the second grade, it seems very interesting, both nature and society at the same time, and a little bit of history, me and ukraine , his name was, here, and in the context of this i realized that donbas, donetsk, yes, it is part of ukraine, i knew the geography of ukraine, i knew the geography of ukraine until the last, i still do not know the geography. russia, although we were supposed to study it, until the 22nd, well, there are the last few, i don't know, for three years, it was already very difficult to perceive ourselves as a part of ukraine, but
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no one told us that we were russians, we were told that we were russians, we are with russians, russians, our brotherly nations, but i was aware of myself until the last, probably, as a part of ukraine, i knew that ukraine is actively developing in terms of progressive views, i was sitting in tiktok, because of my geolocation, i got a lot of ukrainian tiktoks, because tiktok sees donetsk, ukraine, pushes me ukrainian tiktoks, people who are not in the occupied territories, from those places i understood that, for example, there is kyiv pride, which promotes the rights of lgbt people who are actively
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involved. you women, and i liked it very much, and even then i thought that, in addition to the scale, that oh, what a pity that i am so detached from this infospace and , in principle, from ukraine, it seemed to me that if i do not leave now, i will not i will never leave, i wanted to live. life sounds funny, i wanted to see life without a curfew, i didn't want to leave, but i couldn't stay. i started looking for opportunities to leave immediately after i realized that was locked up. then i was offered to go to the territory of the russian federation, and then i realized
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that i could go anywhere from russia. so i agreed to this plan, i had no idea how it would happen, i thought that everything would be in such an atmosphere of conspiracy that i would have to figure out how to arrive, or in some truck, or in a box, or in a coffin, as if someone on the funeral is being carried, in short , there were many options, but in practice it turned out not so, let's say fantastic, everything turned out to be quite simple, but of course at that moment it was scary, because at any moment on the way anything could go wrong i found out that i was going to kharkiv somewhere in the middle of the way, i was going to another city altogether, before that i was planning to go to another country altogether, i could not organize the documents to take the cat there with me, it was difficult physically, difficult mentally , - first, it is very difficult to leave home, no matter what it is, no matter what condition it is in,
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no matter what connotations it has acquired for itself. it is very difficult to guess it, when you go to russia, it is very noticeable how, how much we differ despite nine years, despite 10 years of what they tried to impose on us, show, prove, very you can see, it's already physically difficult here, because i'm alone, i'm not small, i have a cat, a big suitcase, a suitcase and that's all, and this... all this needs to be dragged somewhere alone, it was four days of travel, for them i went through everything that i could go through, i gave birth every night on the train, every time i was so shaken, everything went as well as possible for me, in particular, everything went as well as possible for me with the best result, my mother and i first came to the deneriv border, crossed it easy, we thought there
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would be some ancient greek mythical… testing, but in fact everything turned out to be quite simple, because as the person who planned all this explained to us, if you reached the dnneriv border, it means that you have not been caught before, therefore, if you have not been caught before, then you are such a person , which should probably be skipped further, that is, such logic was then at the checkpoint. from rostov we came to st. petersburg, stopped there for a while, and after that we went to the estonian border in ivangorod, and finally the main battle was there. in the form of russian customs, which started me they interrogated me, asked me for various confidential information, addresses, from where and to where, took my fingerprints, asked all kinds of questions about my life, checked my phone and asked about my relationship to the so-called svo. i passed through the humanitarian corridor, well , it's hard to call it a corridor, it's a very difficult path there, but i came, i didn't have it.
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