and this is not me trolling, this is how it happens, yes, that is, they have a very interesting relationship, here, and specifically before this meeting, yes, that is, it is an election, an election campaign, viktor orbán is participating in the election campaign of donald trump, he did it and earlier, donald trump did, participated in the election campaign of viktor orbán in 2022, he also wrote letters in support of orbán, here, so for example. some of these moments, you know, they're not exactly political moments, but it's like, it 's trump politics, yeah, so bannon, who's back on trump's team, yeah, with trump came to power in the 16th year, then banon seemed to leave, in fact, but he did not leave, he called orbán a trump before trump, and they are really similar, that is, viktor orbán is such a role model for these trumpists, who are now for all circumstances.

have already taken over the republican party in the end, he is a role model in what sense, that is, relatively speaking, trump, who in a separate country did not just come to power with his opinion, his style and agenda, yes, but he is already, well, viktor orban for 14 years continuously in power and he's all like that, you know, that is, this is trump , who succeeded, this is a role model, that's why viktor orbán is very popular, by the way, among these circles, i won't say that in general among american ... americans, but among american conservatives , among american conservative ideologues like heritage , he had a separate panel discussion, a meeting, that's what it's all about, actually, if you look at the pictures on the video, that's how it looked, you know, it's like a meeting of friends, gatherings, party, flowers, music, mutual compliments, well , you know, it's trumpian style, that we together with... do

what we have to do, and what they have to do, well, no one knows, to bring peace, well, okay, well , yes, well, authoritarianism is walking the planet land, yes, that too, well he's in the minority obviously, but still he feels, let's face it, let's face it, and it's very interesting that orbán said to trump, come back and save the world, it's quite an interesting eloquent statement, i would say . that is, trump can save the world. well, we went further in eastern europe, maybe later we will return to hungary, or maybe not. but i am interested in the fact that the czech republic and slovakia, which were once one country, now quarreled because of the war. the czech republic supports ukraine, slovakia, to put it mildly, not very much. and then the prime ministers canceled their meeting and so on and so on. how much is this... well, a serious argument, how

confident is fico, i mean the prime minister of slovakia, and how much will he continue to follow this orbán line, you know, that's a very important question, because this is what happened now with suspension or cancellation of traditional intergovernmental consultations, this is really something unprecedented between bratislava and... prague and in general, you know, when fico actually returned to power and all such, what to do, how to approach him, to understand if he is really going to take revenge on everyone, does he still remain rational, something similar to what is actually happening with trump now, everyone thinks, okay, he is coming back, what to do with him, like, what is with him, well, how to make him predictable, i will tell you, here is viktor orban is just thinking about this too, he returned to you will see europe now, it will be sold to everyone ah... ah, do you want to understand what

trump will do? yes, you want to agree on something with trump in advance, i would like to help you, yes, that is, this role of mediator, viktor orban will actively sell it and is already selling it. between bratislava and prague, to be honest , there are and were high hopes for prague, that she will just do this fitso, who, you know, came for rematch, very angry, actually predicted, and look, this conflict is ripe, because... if you will look at geography of fico's first foreign visits, well , there are nuances, he is far from flying because of his health, but, well, prague was of course the first, the first such destination, but already then, actually, this dispute arose, and the dispute, well, it was was not public , you know, the czechs, they are such real democrats, yes, here they have a very, very similar tradition from czechoslovakia, and it appeared in the press, but not necessarily so, because... he insisted on the date of the meeting, which

did not suit anyone, neither peter pavel nor mr fialli, no no at the parliamentary level, yes, moreover, fico then planned with... meetings with the opposition, yes in this truly orbán style, and how orbán now went to trump without an official invitation to the united states, without any official meeting with not a single official representative of the acting authorities, so fico wanted to himself that he would do so and so, so he would in the end, in principle, this meeting, the first meeting, an extremely important meeting before prague, it almost ended up being canceled, and then, just imagine, zuzana chaputova intervened, who is actually an ideological opponent. fico agreed, she asked the czech partners , listen, let's not do this, because if, well, you know, a fico is a fico, but after all , we are two nations, susana is the president, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes , who is finishing her term, right now they will have presidential elections, that is, you know, she couldn't not do it at all, even

she would, let's say, win somewhere politically, showing how much, relatively speaking, fizo, well, i don't know, i'm not capable of negotiating, or so... to isolate his in addition, well, it has accumulated, that is, now it is the result of this misunderstanding of this behavior of fizo, and to be honest, i am somewhat surprised, i think, well , again, we will see, but this is too much for fizo, that is, it is obvious that he will try to, you know, fix this situation, because it's hard to compare him to orbán in terms of his confidence in domestic politics, obviously fitso will wait until ... just the presidential election and whether his candidate wins, which is unlikely , you know , so very unfold yours politics, or to go back publicly in this rhetoric of his and in these, well, political positions of his, yes, but, you know, he has to lose such an ally as praga, or wait for

the return of babish there and what that will mean, i.e. , you know, this is such an intriguing moment and this has not yet been reported in the ukrainian media, but recently... on the 27th, if i am not mistaken, on february 27, well, the first in a long time, there was a meeting of the leaders of the visegrad foursome, yes, and there fico and orban were actually informed, and there was a separate meeting of the four leaders for about an hour nobody, and according to a leak in the media, well, the four leaders almost quarreled, you know, but, strangely enough, fitzo, despite his tough rhetoric in public, was almost silent at that meeting. that is, tusk and fiala really quarreled with orbán, well, according to the source of information, yes, or they spoke in raised tones, and fico, despite this, seems to be very kind, or let's say, copying orbán, he actually, you know, avoided all this, that's why i expect that

in the next month or two, robert fitz will definitely make a considerable effort to normalizing relations with prague, which i am, is very important. and what are the relations between societies, between the peoples of the czech republic and slovakia, can there be such a quarrel with the czechs? , but look, it would be a good comparison to understand that this is not the case at all, that is, me... with the czechs and slovaks - this is really friendship, this is a friendly people, that is, everything that they fooled us with for the sake of imperialism and are fooling until now, yes, between the czechs and slovaks there is truly for the sake of democratic coexistence, friendship, cooperation, and you know,

it is at all levels, that is, from joint tv shows, there are analogues of ours, all of them the voice of the country, well, i will not advertise there all six-factors or whatever they have their own versions, to the joint celebration of these well... state, semi-state holidays, i.e., well, to the labor migration and study of students, i.e. you understand, having two states, they basically live as such still, well, not that czechoslovakia, you know, i don't want it to offend, or somehow twist it, because after all, these are two sovereign states, but the level of closeness between them is very, very high, so this is another argument for the populist fizo, why it is dangerous to quarrel with praga, even if... there under the leadership , let's say, your political opponents, so i bet that robert fizo will try to normalize these relations in the near future, especially in view of the elections to the european parliament, the new european commission, the new budget,

well, the budget process is not quite like that, but everything exactly the issue of money, yes it is, it is on the agenda for slovakia, it is critical for fizo especially, by the way, about the elections, which means... fizo wrote to us there, presented the five in the elections to the european parliament, and there are some not very friendly people there, let's say , to ukrainian people, for example, the russian federation is a state sponsor of terrorism, who are these people, who are they, who enter the european parliament, how dangerous are they for europe? well, look, i wouldn’t exaggerate, that is, you will understand, the smer sd faction, or rather, not a faction, but these representatives, what other questions, by the way, in which faction are they. will enter, because i would like to remind you that when it was fico, together with

pellegrini, this is another party, a partner, a voice, formed a coalition of the father, which is now in power , the government in slovakia with the right-wing, well, with the nationalists danko, then smer's membership in the party european socialists were suspended , yes, that is, again, you know , it is not that such clouds are gathering over fizo, but in fact yes, that is, a big question for him... in general, what will be his place in this group, well , or the deputies of his factions, yes in to the european parliament, and this is again tied primarily to the issue of money and cooperation with the european commission, yes, because, well, you understand who there did not support what, somewhere, well, that is , there are fantastic people in the fizo team, and this is before things, one question is that he faced such a shortage of personnel, and it is not that he does not have people, there are no... people who, let's say, would not be ashamed to send to brussels, strasbourg, or would not be

ashamed to let them go on television, right? and how autonomous are they, mr. dmitry, how independent are they, that is, how is it works, well, if fizo calls this monika and says, you vote like this, and she says, yes, for sure, comrade general, or what does she say, can she ignore the prime minister? look, we'll see, actually , i don't think so, i think it's going to be a clear vertical, and it's now fizo's job, you know, to sort of get his people together, if it were, to make them predictable because, well, look, death survived the split , that is, in recent years there, you know, a lot has shaken, yes, and always being in the opposition shakes a lot, but this is just the task of a physio is to make yourself and your team, let's say, a group of people with whom you shake hands. yes, who are taken into some faction there , well, you understand, yes, in the european parliament, so i do not rule out that, you know,

the party vertical will work very hard, and by the way, we see this in this just when they started there in october, that is, for almost six months now, and that's all, if people like fitzo himself, who during the election campaign spoke about, i don't know, ukrainian... nazis and all that, yes, well, he sometimes talks about it, you know, yes from time to time mentions there about rampage of the ukrainian, i don't know, nazis in the 14th year, that she provoked all this to russia, but his rhetoric when in power became softer, you know, he generally has such and such a nickname now, that he is a man, this is orbán in the public sphere, and he is a very silent person in such... or he is an absolutely pro-western politician during closed meetings and negotiations, so yes, this

is just my last question to you, mr. dmitry, it is interesting, because i read somewhere in some analysis that fizo says a lot and maybe even anti-ukrainian, anti-european, he does not make things so tough, he does not want to quarrel, he takes into account many circumstances, what you say is the absolute truth, and i tell you... that it is also visible on the ukrainian track, by the way, the third foreign , the third foreign visit, physio, he was just in ukraine , it was transcarpathia, this is a meeting with shmyhal, that is, well, you understand how it all is, that is, we are on their radars, and this is a matter of very pragmatic, well, normal relations, well there is a problem with rhetoric, it will not disappear, although here again the question is whether it will win or not will lose hryni, what kind of presidential election do you have now, will the fizo be able to consolidate power, but really, as

of now, based on the results of six months in power, we see that it is still the same old, pragmatic fizo, who says whatever, whatever - what a dream come true in public, but behind closed doors or in the process of negotiations, he acts like a very predictable pro-western leader of an eu member state, very boring, unlike orbán, although o. you know, often surprising in the good sense of the word. okay, i think that we repeatedly even before the election in parliament, we will talk with mr. dmytro tuzhansky, director of the institute. of the central and eastern european strategy by an expert on ukrainian-hungarian relations, because this is really such a sober view that not everything is so clear-cut, and such a phrase is known to everyone. well, now we will talk with my old acquaintance, the british-canadian political scientist taras kuzio, i think also a ukrainian political scientist, because he also worked in ukraine, and in canada

we met, and in england we met, where only we did not meet, and in lviv even. met here, my categorical congratulations, mr. taras, thank you for finding time for us on sunday, good day, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, the first question to the british political scientist, so that the british press would write something, mr. taras, about the appointment, or possible appointment of the new ambassador, who is called zaluzhnyi, and who for a long time was the commander -in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, and who... writes, what the british press says, i wouldn't say that there was so much written, but what was written, i would say, was surprising, that just in time is very hot, very acute war, and zelenskyi sent zaluzhnyi to great britain, why does he not use him

for a higher position in the ministry of defense, but... because the war continues, it is very hot, and we know that the war will not end tomorrow, i think it is surprising , also wonders why zelenskyi did not have an ambassador in great britain for so long, why there is an empty place here, when it is a very important country, and maybe not now, as it was, especially the first two years of great britain were very... important, supply of weapons in ukraine, but there were places defeat, and the reason why zelensky fired the ambassador was somewhat ridiculous, well , what did he say, well, zelensky should be more democratic, more tolerant and not

afraid of criticism, which is the general mood in britain for... we know that the biggest friend of ukraine in britain is boris johnson, he will not say that everyone likes him in britain, to put it mildly, he may have more critics than supporters, but if you take everyone and both main parties, what do they think, as far as we can and continue to count on britain here in ukraine? well, i think it is exaggeration, that many criticize boris johnson, maybe, maybe they... criticize only because they were never invited to his party, but because, because it is that he may have violated something, during the corona virus, i think , that among the majority of people, it is not such, it is not such an important issue, because a lot of people have done it themselves, and as for

great britain, i think that there is a problem here, that prime minister sun. yes and and and and the current secretary of defense, these are not the same people who were the first two years of the war, johnson and ben wallace, they were generally vanguards in the first place, or excuse me, the second place was taken by the united states of america, which supplied weapons to ukraine. now, it seems, great britain is already becoming almost the 10th or ninth place, and this is connected with that. that those leaders of the government today, they, i don't think that they really, really, they still support ukraine, but they don't have the emotions that johnson and wallace led then, plus you have to remember that great britain and many countries, they,

they lost too little on defense. and not to know whether there is even anything left to transfer to ukraine, because a lot has already been transferred. what about the general public, there has never been a pro-russian opinion here, and as you know, there is no russophilism here in great britain, and the british themselves still support ukraine, but the question is, how will they do it? maybe more politically, and i would say, regarding the minister of foreign affairs and cameron, he does not have much confidence, because he was the prime minister in the 14th year, and... and we remember then that cameron and the american president obama, they are nothing did not do, they ignored the budapest memoranda and did not help ukraine

, even both vetoed the supply of weapons to ukraine, which, i would say, does not have much confidence in cameron, and now germany is in second place in terms of supplying weapons to ukraine ukraine, it used to be great... and we also remember that now macron is taking advantage of the opportunity to become a new degol, he saw that there is no longer a supreme court in great britain, americans may soon not be supported in europe, how will trump win the elections , then it there is a chance for france to show that it leads europe, and this can explain why macron is so active now. and it really becomes , i would say, quite radical, regarding the issue of war and support for ukraine, more

radical, that is, macron’s position today, this is johnson’s position 2-3 years ago, taras, look, so i have a very tricky question, and very , which will be unpopular, i have the impression that the west as a whole, and even biden, i'm not saying anymore. about trump, does not want the defeat of russia, uh, does not want, accordingly, there will be pressure, and if it comes trump, the pressure will increase, and they will put pressure on kyiv, let's somehow come to an agreement with this putin, and this is a real danger, and there is an impression that the western countries will not let ukraine win, they can leave the situation. how to say, a draw, there are some territories, maybe they will leave the russians behind, but in ukraine, if the west does not help, well

, there are no cartridges, there are no shells, we , i do not believe, i do not know what will happen, and they say there are people, it's me, i talked to them with analysts, they say that it's better to stop now, if under, with the help of western allies to force russia. also to stop, not to continue the war, and if we had some, some period of time to heal the wounds, well, in short, somehow get what we can, keep what we can get and not count on what we can really go to completely on all the borders of the 95th year, what do you say, i think it's too pessimistic, but it is always the same people. from ukraine, like all former communist countries, you are very fond of smog, conspiracies, and i do not think that the situation

is so bad, and to some extent the situation is changing in favor of ukraine, and first of all, look at how france has changed, for the first time in history, france began to support nato membership for ukraine. and france is now becoming a very radical position in europe, and everything is changing, that there have always been two groups of countries, and this is a fact, and these groups of countries, one group, great britain, now france as well, four scandinavian countries, three baltic, poles, czechs and romanians, they, they have been around for a long time, and france now. not recently they they said that we want not only the victory of ukraine, but also the defeat and defeat of russia, they

have been saying this for a long time, the problems have always been the united states of america and germany, scholz always hides behind biden, and here, here it reminds me, just in the 90s year and the 91st year, when bush is old. also had a similar position, as biden now has, they are afraid of the defeat of russia, because it is a nuclear country , the disintegration of russia, what will happen to nuclear weapons and so on and so forth, and whether russia will use these weapons, and this is biden's position , and this is why he is the post of america delivered weapons very slowly, they were always afraid of the so-called escalation, and... germany continues this position, it is hiding behind the back of the americans, i don't think that anything has completely changed here, i would say that

menya. that we have changed in favor of ukraine in the last few months is that the europeans have finally realized that, firstly, russia is a real threat, not only to ukraine, but also to europe, and secondly, that if trump wins the election and he will say goodbye to nato, then they can finally increase the military budget themselves, and just in time... unite and help ukraine win the war, and the fact that now macron is taking a very radical position, that he is the first western leader to say that we should think that there might be a time when we should send western, so to speak , european troops to ukraine , and already six, it seems six, seven countries have already agreed, and these are the poles, the baltic, maybe the scandinavian

countries, agreed, i think that it can be said that to some extent the wind is in favor of ukraine, i would not say that it is, i won't feel this pressure that ukraine needs to negotiate, because everyone understands, not only zelenskyi and ukraine, everyone understands that nothing can be negotiated with a liar and a criminal like putin. taras, ah... macron , as far as it is, well, we know, first the war, we will not give weapons, we will give a little weapons, we will give fairy tales, then patro, then something else, then, and even now, we see that the majority, obviously, nato leaders against, but the drop, the fireplace sharpens, and this can happen, can this happen, how likely is such, such...

a construction, when some nato countries will send their troops, and some will not, because in the fifth point applies to the defense, everything is clear there, we are defending, here we are not defending, if we were to attack, there is also the fifth point, or everyone, or nobody, or someone may be there, someone may not want to, someone wants to, i think that it will come, i don't think that it will come to that. that it will be necessary, because i do not think that macron is talking about this, will there be any russian threat to kyiv or odesa, i do not think that what will come of it, i think that russia does not have the potential to win back ukraine, the problem is not that, the problem is whether ukraine will have the possibility of liberating southeastern ukraine,

it is, it is... a good question, i think, i don't think that the russians, but if something like this threat happened, i think that it would not be a question of nato or nato will send the army, it is a question of individual countries, they will decide it themselves, like the poles, like the romanians or there like the french, and i think that they, they would do it, i can believe it, that they would do it, because they... understand that how, if, well, this is theoretical, if kyiv would fall to, if the russians would captured kyiv, i don't think it's possible, if they did it, then in general it would be a direct threat, a war, nato to russia, because now there is actually a war between nato and russia, but through ukraine, ukraine will play a role, if ukraine lost that war, obviously

then. there is a direct nato war with russia, they do not want it, and this is why macron very aptly raised this question, what should we think, and this is always important from a theoretical question, that the russians do not know that we will to do, let them reason, whether it is possible be so, it can be so, and this, because it's always important that they don't know specifically what... what will happen and i think that here with regard to the question of disappointment, i think that it's also not so bad , because they have already found funding to buy those million of meetings in the czech republic, and it seems that they will be in ukraine in a few days, and i think that we can say that it is not as bad as we might think. and

we hope that trump.