baltic countries, we will have, i have talked about this a lot in my previous speeches, have a better sovereign rating, if we have a better sovereign rating, we will attract long-term investment capital, and when investment capital comes, it will invest in the processing of this agricultural products that we can export to any country in the world, it is not necessary for us to export them to the european union, because pasta is consumed everywhere in the world, bakery products are consumed everywhere in the world, the meat that we... we can process agricultural products into proteins and send either chicken, or pork, or any other meat products of any kind of animal husbandry to produce after processing abroad, this does not mean that it will be a disaster. look today, brazil is the largest exporter of meat, canada is the second largest exporter of meat. well, why can't ukraine produce agricultural products today. the fourth, second, even the first

exporter of meat to all countries of the world, and we will develop processing, we will to create their own jobs, we will have ukrainians who will live in abundance, because they will leave the added value in ukraine, that is, it means that the main thing is investment and development of production, and the market is, of course, the market is constantly balancing , because without, when we did not have ports, it was difficult, but when we have all the logistical components and the entire infrastructure. export, well tell me what today, let's say, i don't know, denmark, an eu country, exports the largest amount of pork in china, and ukraine cannot, yes it definitely can, we just need to develop such pig breeding complexes in such a large number so that we simply have the opportunity to compete, and we will be able to compete, because we have our own raw materials and they are cheap, in denmark there are no such chernozems , which are in ukraine, in denmark there is no such amount of agricultural products that... could be raw materials for

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of the ukrainian almanac annual published by the association of ukrainians in poland. congratulations ms. olga. good evening. so, what is happening now? as far as the government manages to... negotiate with farmers, because we know that prime minister donald tusk already had a meeting with representatives, protesters, but i honestly don't see any real results. yes, it is true that at the moment it is difficult to expect real results, although tusk said that the real results will be on march 15, but nevertheless, the protesters do not intend to stop their protests, the fact that they demand the complete closure of ukraine, that is, the complete... full embargo on ukrainian goods, agricultural products, tusk not ready to conduct and not ready to close the border with ukraine. they are ready to do this with russia, they are ready to prevent russian belarusian goods from entering, but in the end tusk declares

that he is not ready to completely block ukrainian goods. on the other hand, the protesters now have good support in the parliament, in addition to the confederation. of the previous actions of the government of law and justice, and the previous government itself was trying to gain electoral points, because in april there were elections for the self-government of poland itself, and already the politicians of law and justice announced that will submit a bill that will block about... agricultural products not only from russia and belarus, but they will also demand that supplies of ukrainian agricultural products be completely blocked, and accordingly it is very difficult to expect a positive result in ukraine, because i

have already she once said on the air of aspress that polish society absolutely supports the agricultural protests. manufacturers, by the way, maybe this is the reason why the party of law and justice is trying to be tougher in her positions than when she formed and headed the polish government? yes, definitely , besides, if you look at the sociological polls that are carried out to order for various publications, then the vast majority of the respondents say that the fault lies in what has happened to the farmers, now in poland, and the situation that has developed for the farmers is the main the fault lies in the previous government, not the current one, but the previous one of law and justice, i think that this is actually also a game of law and justice in order to get back the votes that they lost on

parliamentary elections and who are afraid to lose local government in the elections now, if we talk about how it can... some sketches of such a compromise that could satisfy both ukraine and poland, and the farmers' protest movement, so-called. in poland, between farmers and the government, the negotiations that were held, there are statements that the government will try to convince the european union to move away from the strictest norms, the green system, and the government will be ready to compensate. to help farmers, polish producers, producers of wheat, grain, to compensate for the remaining grain remaining in poland and sell it in some way, or to pay them the quota that they would have lost if they

had not sold this grain. if you are talking about ukraine, then there is already a broader aspect going on here, because it is necessary to involve. and the european union, and poland, and, accordingly, ukraine, and in some ways ukraine too, will obviously be forced to take a step back, even though it has already declared that it is ready. to take a step back, this is also in their supplies, agricultural products, more precisely, those preferences, which it received from the european union in time for a full-scale war, first a full-scale war, but i don't think it will be resolved so quickly, because there are so many different players involved in this problem, and unfortunately, we see that russia is effective. on this basis, in principle, how can one explain

the attitude of polish society, which on the one hand continues to support ukraine, and on the other hand supports polish farmers? well , this is probably explained by several factors, one of the factors is general fatigue from that they have lost a lot, polish society, has lost a lot since the beginning of the full-scale war of russia against ukraine , which the inhabitants of other european countries have lost, respectively, losing on such elementary advantages that they once had, they are trying to support those who in their opinion is losing the same, i.e. the farmers, and the main slogans of the farmers are very often manipulative, because these slogans are taken from the polish press, they have been circulating for several months. that ukrainian goods were completely flooded polish market. society believed in it.

only in the last month has the media begun to undermine this manipulative thesis, or rather to refute it. and present the facts. statistics are published, it is said that ukrainian products did not really flood the agricultural products, did not flood the polish market, as it was presented before. however, society has already believed it, society believes in it, and society in this way says yes, we support ukraine, but not with our own funds. it can be said that this situation had some effect on the attitude towards ukrainian citizens in poland. it is difficult for me to answer clearly, because i have not seen the latest polls, which are conducted every month by the center of sociological polls of zos, about attitudes towards other peoples. nations, that's why i don't, no, i don't know to what extent exactly these processes could influence the attitude

towards ukrainians, the attitude towards ukrainians, it seems to me that other factors influence more, this and her daily life with ukrainians, poles, interpersonal conflicts can escalate there is also a dislike for the nation, for the people in general, there are now a lot of ukrainians in poland from... accordingly, every pole practically has the opportunity to come into contact with ukrainians on a daily basis, the attitude towards ukraine can also be influenced by the loud statements of politicians, which, in the opinion of poles, are offensive to them, as to the country or to the people, which at one time, at the beginning large-scale war, gave almost everything to accept ukraine. and show this support, well, in the end it will be like that. what do

you think the ukrainian government should do about the situation, should it really seek compromises now with the polish government, even at the expense of economic interests, own country, well , actual economic interests? in fact, it is really difficult to give a clear answer here, because the tet will depend on what the polish government is ready to accept, but we see that the current polish government ... especially in the person of donald tusk, because the coalition includes different parties, and for example the psl, a peasant party, has a slightly different attitude to that issue than the civic platform. so, when talking about the prime minister of poland, the prime minister of poland is enough is open to negotiations with ukraine, he needs specifics, but he is ready to stand up somewhere in... the ukrainian interest and try to convince his

citizens and, in particular, the protesting farmers here, for example, at the last meeting , tusk said that he is not going to close the border from ukraine. instead, the ukrainian government should constantly carry out this work and negotiations with poland, not sporadically, not when problems arise, but constantly... in contact with their polish colleagues, and probably in some way they will have to give in, because we see that protests, farmers, they cover europe and... accordingly , the european union can put ukraine somewhere, let's say, in a position that is not entirely convenient for us now. and are they talking in poland about a possible russian trace in all these actions, how serious is it from the point of view of polish observers? differently, some,

yes, some of the experts are very clear when they talk about the protesters, or rather the leaders of those protesters. who are directly politicians of the confederation, a far-right polish party which the largest, the closest has a connection with russia, but if these protests were so strongly linked with the russian trail, as was often the case in the rhetoric on the ukrainian side, especially at the beginning of all those protests, unfortunately, we do not see such a thing in poland . voice, if we talk about polish-ukrainian relations, when we discuss european integration, euro-atlantic integration, we see that, on the one hand, poland is now among those countries that say that this is how troops can be introduced to ukraine, here it is in solidarity with the president of france emmanuel macron, radislav sikorsky even says that there are already certain countries

that have sent their military personnel here, and on the other hand, there are fears that poland will limit the possibilities of the european. integration of ukraine , based on its economic interests, and where to find a balance here, it is very difficult to say, yes, it is very difficult to say, because on the one hand poland understands russian aggression, on the other hand russian missiles do not fly at polish cities, accordingly for her this aggression to a greater extent, for the majority of citizens, it is aggression from television or from the conversations of already familiar ukrainians, that active part of society in... which supports ukraine and is very often even in the war zone, because it is engaged in volunteering, directly helps the ukrainian military, they are more aggressive in their attitude to this problem, i.e., they unequivocally say that it is not possible now to make concessions in favor of polish farmers and

thus close the market for ukrainian products, and accordingly hit its economy and... weaken it in the war with russia, if this discourse will develop, if it will more often get into the mainstream media, then there is a chance that polish society is not blind enough to at least fall for such manipulative theses, as i said earlier about the fact that ukrainian goods fill the polish market, and accordingly, when for them this threat... the threat of russia will begin to take on more concrete features, not only in the conversation that poland will be like this and the next one, but if it will be more serious, then maybe yes, maybe this will affect the . thank you, ms. olga, olga popovych, the editor of the annual ukrainian almanac, this publication of the association of ukrainians in

poland, was in touch with us and we talked about one of the most difficult, i would say, topics in ukrainian today. in foreign policy and in the ukrainian economic situation, these are the relations between ukraine and poland, the protests of polish farmers, which really create problems for the entire logistics of border traffic and not only for those goods that go from ukraine to the countries of the european union, we know that there were delays and strategically cargoes important for ukraine on the ukrainian-polish border, by the way, unblocking these cargoes is also an important task for ukrainians. which country and for its allies, and among these allies poland itself remains beyond doubt, so these problems will be solved one way or another in the coming weeks and months, i hope, and we will monitor it with you, we will now take a break with you literally a few minutes, but you stay with us, because we will have another big conversation with the diplomat, the former minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, by the head of the russian research center, volodymyr ogrysk, stay in

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the politclub program on the espresso tv channel. volodymyr ogrysko is a diplomat in our studio, former minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, head of the russian research center, you have a great opportunity as a person who worked for many years in the ministry of external affairs. to still ask what happened to this story with the appointment of valery zaluzhny as ambassador to great britain, because i will honestly tell you that for the first time in according to my own practice, no, for the second time, this is how i see the situation, when the appointment of an ambassador to great britain is announced without the consent of the country, only the population of gromans accepts it, the first time was in 1991, when the former minister of affairs boris pankin was sent in this way in the soviet union, too, but it was some kind of not fantastic situation for me, i found out for the first time. that it could be so and forgot, well, after 30 years, in fact it is not so, well, let's say, it can be, but it should not be, because after all, despite the fact that we

now live in a world in which everything changes and everything is questioned, there are certain standards, you know, diplomacy is such a conservative thing, it, it requires certain, certain, maybe conventions, but still those that are worth observing, which i found for myself. the answer to this question, it means that the topic is actually agreed, formally, or rather informally, the agreement has long been obtained, and the formal things that need to be passed now, they will be done, well that is, and again, let's not forget, this removes the question , which has already become quite painful for many in power, how long will it take us to send v great britain, but it will already be , well, only... not much at all, so they say, let's lower the temperature a little, lower it, everything will be fine, but on the other hand, how effective are political appointments to

diplomatic posts, after all, the former the ambassador to great britain, the previous one, he was the minister of foreign affairs, before that, it is a completely different situation from the point of view of understanding how the embassy works, the embassy is not just going out there and talking about the language, the embassy is the same, let me tell you, it a complex, complex organism, it is essentially an institution, of course. i, like you , am a conservative in this regard, i believe that professionalism is the first word that defines everything that happens later, well , remember gennadiyovych sudovenka, our, our truly extremely famous diplomat, he gave birth to the formula of three for to be a successful diplomat. professionalism, patriotism, decency, well , you can of course switch places, but in sum it gives exactly the same option, and therefore professionalism, it is in the first place, but... well

let's look at this situation a little from the other side, what is great britain today for us, ours, well, as you remember, one of our politicians said, although i am not the first, i am not the second either, that is, great britain today, she and not the first, but also not the second in what it gives ukraine to the political sphere, the military sphere, well, let 's not waste time, that is, it is extremely ours. important, indeed, here i will use the word strategic partner, well, yes, what is the main topic we have now with our western partners, including great britain, the topic of weapons, well, you understand, the diligent ambassador will not need to build a political system, there are relationships, friendships with one or the other, and so on, he arrives on a large

and thick foundation. which has been established for a long time, and by the way, we thank mr. prystayk, who, i think, has worked brilliantly in this position in recent years, that is , zaluzhnyi will have a completely different topic, and this topic will be called in one word weapons, he does not need anything else, i say, go to the ministry of foreign affairs to see cameron or someone else and tell them that ukraine is good, so go ahead us, give us teto, teto teto, no, he will go to the minister of defense, to the chief of the general staff, to all ... his colleagues and talk to them about those things that they know a thousand times better than anyone diplomat , well, let's be honest, that's why i think that in this particular case such an appointment is correct, well, if we are talking about other methods of diplomacy, well, let's say there, related to some skills to do something with your hands, well , for example, here i am for you i'll be honest,

it's a shock for me, in this situation. i think it is that's right, but tell me, if we talk about another diplomatic story there, about the attempt of the administration of the president of the united states, to seat the first lady of ukraine and the widow of the recently killed russian opposition leader oleksiy navalny next to each other, this was also a diplomatic attempt to create a certain structure during the speech of the president of the united states states in with a message to the nations in front of the senators and congressmen, how... in general, it was necessary for the administration of the president, how correct was our absence at this, at this to the west? well, you see, now everything that works in favor of one or another presidential candidate, it is extremely important to them, and for biden, i understand that it really could have been such a beautiful political gesture, look, i'm here hosting the wife

of the president of the country, which which which... which is fighting against russian fascism, which is fighting against the aggressor, and i accept the widow, well, let's say this, the oppositionist, who is also trying to do something with this, with this regime and so on and so forth, i.e. politically it is definitely profitable, but they our dear american and european friends still cannot understand that we should not be married against our will, and if... what they do, they consciously, subconsciously, or unconsciously, they remove those things that for us ukrainians are extremely painful, we never again want to sit at the same table with those whom we consider to be the culprits and what is the absolute truth of this tragedy that they have arranged, so i think that such attempts, you know, and

so on, they look, firstly, stupid, secondly, fake, thirdly, hopeless, that's why i think that the logic that is political for itself, but not political for us, probably prevailed here. do you even understand why the anti-corruption fund, even after the murder of oleksii navalny , continues to provide vladimir putin with a turnout in the country's presidential elections, continues to call on people to vote, to vote for anyone but putin. something should be done there with the ballots, but by and large it's a turnout, that's all that's needed, so what's the logic? mr. vitaly, well, you have lived and worked in russia for many, many years, i think you know very well what is russian society, what is the russian so-called opposition, the so-called liberal opposition, and we will pick up any other words, in fact it is a fiction, it is what, well to call it even close to what we understand

in the context of a liberal. and the more democracy is not possible.