in the political club program on the espresso tv channel, which vitaly portnikov conducted for you, what kind of political club is this, and what program did i conduct, so i wish you all the best, victory and peace, good luck! this is about politics, about the world, maria gurska and pavel koval, as always we summarize the events. week and we do it on several platforms. pavel koval's youtube channel gives this conversation in polish, the espresso tv channel shows it in ukrainian, and the most important part of the conversation in both languages ​​can be found on sestri.eu. good day. i congratulate you. we start today from world politics. let's talk about the events unfolding and still ahead this year in the usa. super tuesday took place this week, which has definitely put america and the world in front of the fact that two candidates are running for president of the united states. and this is joe biden and donald trump,

such a political jew. what can we say about it and what does it mean for our countries, for poland, ukraine, for europe and for the whole world. you know, it seems that when i talk about ukraine in the united states, i say that ukraine is not so far away, because what happens in ukraine in the war affects the whole western world, but it also works in the reverse direction, that is, what happens in the united states, the results we see in the prairies are still ... previous results affects what happens in our part of the world. what i am telling you may seem trite, but we often forget about it, but now we have the next choice. on the one hand, joe biden, who is clearly exhausted, bent, so to speak, under the force of his courage, some kind of weakness, but still a leader who took on commitment to help ukraine, and above all to organize a large global anti-putin coalition. on the other hand , donald trump, who personifies. i'm not one of those

people who say it's definitely going to be bad, because i know there's always another element in politics that comes in and changes it, but for sure donald trump is the big unknown these days, and there are occasional rumblings from around him voices that he seems to have an idea of ​​ending the war, but such as to force ukraine to negotiate, to use the lack of military power as an argument support, which from our point of view is pure madness. let's talk about some of the details of this us election story. well, in particular, on monday, the us supreme court decided that none of the states can disqualify candidate donald trump from the presidential election. let me remind you, we are talking about the lawsuits of the states of colorado, maine and illinois to remove trump from participating in the elections due to his role in storming the capitol in january 2021. and this is not the only case against trump in american courts. we will remind you that there is also

a matter of storing secret documents at home and paying bribes to the porn actress for her silence. why is all this not enough to stop trump from returning to the white house, and what should we expect? and i actually said that you say super tuesday, the case is closed , as if so, but in my opinion, there are still many unknowns in the elections in the usa, and there will be some non-standard situations, if only because all these criminal cases have been opened against donald trump.

problems that can prevent him , people say so, and on the other hand, donald trump, who has these serious legal quagmires, i do not think that he will reach convinced that this will happen, but the seriousness of such a situation, because in america it would be something new, but again serious people say so, and all this is possible today. in a speech this week, joe biden mentioned his age, the president says it's not about how old he is, it's about how old the ideas he defends are. let's talk about this, this fact. at the end of the next presidential cycle, biden will be 86 years old, and trump will be 82. what does this say about american politics, american society and about the future. you know,

being middle-aged myself, i don't think only old age is good, or only young age is good, i think it just depends on how much one is willing to use power. power and opportunity, on the other hand what you are talking about is a fact, so from afar you can see that there is a generational tension in america where power is concentrated in the hands of people who are clearly older. someone will say: ok, but let's take a classic example, when konrad adenauer became chancellor of germany, he was already very a respectable age this is true, but the political scene in the united states seems somewhat blocked today, and the question actually arises, how is it that in such a democratic system, under such conditions, a woman still cannot become a presidential candidate. or, for example, it cannot be someone clearly younger, there has been no such possibility for a long time, and so on. so, i think these are also serious issues of the domestic life, the political life, the domestic agenda of america,

the ideas that biden presents are really important to us, so let's look at the matter from a different perspective, not taking into account the age of the candidates, but the essence of what values ​​they defend. joe biden presents the ideas of the american democratic tradition, no matter how paradoxical it sounds, but together with the ideas of ronald reagan, a representative of the opposite political camp, the politics of a symbol aware of how important it is for america to respond preemptively to threats from world leaders, especially when it comes to about people like putin, authoritarian rulers.ców, especially takich jak putin, autorytarnych, częściowo can be said, i think, totalitariannych. even said partly totalitarians who are ready to destroy peace in europe. biden's thinking is reagan-style thinking, which goes like this: we are responsible for the situation in the west. if someone violates international law, as putin is doing today, if he attacks his neighbors, he threatens to intervene. if it is clear that he has

real tools for this and his threats can be carried out, then we must respond, otherwise the price will be too high, because otherwise the cost in a few years will be 10, 100, 200 times higher. the language will have to be paid with someone's blood, in this case, probably with the blood of citizens of one of the central european countries, because the fact that putin will not stop is beyond debate. such discussions took place in poland , for example, recently, when the speaker of the sejm spoke rather harshly about putin, but the reality is that, in my opinion, the speaker of the sejm was right: putin should be detained with all cruelty. if it is not done today, it will be in a few years really hard

there have been some cases of women trying to enter politics in the united states before, but it was usually hard to resist the impression that they were there just to paint this or that presidential candidate, haley was different. so why did she lose? she lost because of a trend that is ruthless and is sweeping the united states and the world. we are talking about absolute populism. that the things trump is saying scream revenge to heaven. this is populism of the highest order, and she could not defeat it. we see a change in side of an almost religious attitude towards the leader. people's attitude towards trump is exactly that. his followers treat him like a religious leader in a sect. it is difficult to call this a normal political relationship.

that is, when a voter says: i support trump, but i don't like something about him, or when a voter wants to change something and puts pressure on the politician. no, you see that a large part. of the american population is under the influence of their fears and intimidation, and it is fear that dominates the world today, people afraid of war, afraid of change. at such moments , the time of quacks always comes, because these quacks come and say: we have a better way, a simpler one, we know everything. in this regard, trump is an excellent example, a textbook. he says: i know how to end the war in ukraine in one day. the complete absence of any complex or deep ideas. yes, everything seems very simple. everything is very simple. and then, usually, when such people win, of course, they can't really do anything, but explain, blame everything on external the enemy, for some obstacles, they make up, and this simple world that they sell to the voters works, and in the case of trump, unfortunately,

this is what happens, today america is very divided, we complain that poland is divided, that everything is half-baked in politics, and what , a lot of people just hate their political opponents, but... let 's face it, we see the same thing in america, anyone who knows america knows that this is what america is today, and trump is fueling it, and trump is winning . because he mobilizes his supporters, they are sacrificed the most serious things, how to explain it? you know, i have this opinion, just a few days ago i returned from ukraine, i was in kyiv, of course, and also in kharkiv, i visited very close to the front line and even in positions where soldiers are fighting, shooting and spending days in the trenches, i constantly have this picture in my head that this is a real bet today, so this retreat of america would be simply unthinkable, the ukrainians mobilized so amazingly. the defense

of the country is developed from the technological side, and now it is such a simple fact that there is no the lack of ammunition to defend these positions may not even decide the fate of ukraine, the fact is that it would decide the fate of the whole world. what to expect from such peacekeepers. orban represents the russian approach and russian interests within the eu, and this applies equally to money, energy, strategic issues, and it also applies to political connections, and orban is not the only one, because it should also be noted that there are many such political parties in europe, which fortunately do not have a significant effect on bites.

if we talk about trump, for example, trump is the ideal american component of this putintern, because we can clearly see how trump is already changing his position, how he is approaching the type of thinking that orbán represents, it is clear that orbán is becoming his own man for him, because orbán can also be a connection, connecting link with the kremlin, it is beginning to unite into one whole, into one network, i would not separate these processes today. the only thing that is not fully understood is how addicted trump is. journalists

and analysts believe that trump is delusional that he can negotiate with putin to stop attacking, and that when trump realizes that he really can't do anything about it, he will change his policy. how do you look at this question? the nature of trump's addiction is not clear, maybe he is somehow addicted historically, maybe because of a personal friend. because maybe some people think so, he has such a character, it is said that since he is a narcissist, this type of narcissistic leader, then maybe some people also think so, he may think that he will do something, but then it turns out that he can't do it, but you know, we're talking about someone who wants to conduct experiments on the living organism of the whole of europe, that's the point, because at stake is something other than trump's game with the security of the whole of europe, that is the stakes are too high to allow this to be attempted. so i'm not comforted by anyone telling me he's narcissistic, that's why he's acting like that, i

think that is and will be a serious problem, but the main problem with trump is really the instability, the ambiguity of his motivations, the fact that he so easily influences these european putinist parties, because it is not only orbán, i warn against such thoughts, these are important parties in italy, these are important parties in france, in france it is not known at all who will win the elections, it could be marie le pen, who openly says that putin there is her in quotes. therefore, it is not the case that everything is going well in europe, not in the us, there are also big threats in europe. i'm just wondering if trump already knows that it is impossible to negotiate with putin, or is he still in the grip of illusions that he can change something? trial price. the price of the attempt, the price the tests here are too high, it would be safer if biden won, but we don't really affect that. americans should decide here, ukrainians living in the usa will undoubtedly have an influence on this. the ukrainian

community knows how to mobilize and organize well. poles living in the usa will definitely influence this as well. however , those who are not citizens do not vote from the outside. given the customs and rules in the usa, it is very difficult to influence this. it's not in our power, although some people actually say this argument seems reasonable to me. try to reach republican voters, explain to them what the threats are. in his speech about the state of affairs in the country, joe biden this week mentioned the need to provide military aid to ukraine. ukraine will stop putin if... the most dangerous thing is that trump has real influence on the majority of republicans in the house

of representatives and in the senate, so let's face it, trump has influence in congress, that's the worst part of this story, up to a certain point. it might have seemed to us that it was just such a situation that senators or parliamentarians are trying to create some additional coalitions, solve some issues and that this money is not a complicated story for ukraine, but today everything is obvious that it is a very complicated story, because it is worth looking at what we have, we have a situation where we are ready to vote against of this money and to delay, even if most of this money will be spent in the united states, often in their constituencies, it means that ... they are under so much pressure from trump not to help the front that sometimes they are willing to go against his own electoral interests, so the matter becomes serious, in my opinion, and by the way, not only in my opinion, because i increasingly hear such opinions on the sidelines. as more and more people say that it is not about money or tricks, the attitude of trump, and possibly putin, on

a large part of the american establishment. to expect financial aid to ukraine, which is being negotiated all the time, is being reduced all the time, but it is vitally necessary for us. fortunately, the european aid package has been working all this time, that is, in practice, to explain what it is about, money, provided by the european commission, this is money for salaries, for receiving soldiers, for everyday work, but if we talk about the american package, it is intended for the purchase of ammunition, the purchase of weapons, and this package, this money is not working now, here... it is about to bring money to ukraine is to bring ammunition to ukraine for those military personnel who are waiting for it. in our conversation, i mentioned the soldiers i met at the front. i remember their requests, their questions, why this is not happening, after all people trusted america, why have they been defending the west for the second year on the front line, while the west is hesitating, pondering and dragging things out. there may

come a time when it will be too late. this week, groups of congressmen from both american parties appealed to us defense secretary austin to transfer long-range atakms missiles to ukraine and solve the problem of ammunition shortages. what are the prospects? at the moment, the forecast is not the most optimistic. two months ago , we conducted all negotiations on the basis that the necessary means to obtain the front line, namely, 15mm shells and other elements will 100% arrive. so we discussed what could be done before that. from the front line to destroy russia's huge weapons production capabilities, its storage and other military potential, that is, it is absolutely clean and honest, if the country conducts a military operation, fights, the more it defends itself, like ukraine, it

has the absolute right to use it, but we are talking about this two months ago, believing that things will be different. today we speak in different terms because we speak today in conditions where we know that the basic issues are not secured, that is, a situation may arise, for example, that putin will break through the front because there will be nothing to shoot from, and this may be a great historical mistake of the west, a mistake of the usa, and it is worth talking about it today, this is the essence of the matter in general, that the ukrainians mobilized, deployed people, modernized the army, survived, and then one element was missing. a huge number of people believe and do not leave the country, women, children, this is a huge wave of refugees to europe in case of failure. of course, today in ukrainian society has an element of positive belief that everything is possible, and the point is not to pickle this still positive mood of ukrainian society in the coming weeks. how polish and ukrainian politicians

can influence the united states in this direction. there are many ways to do this, political actions, that is, what polish politicians do, for example, and it is worth saying, because practically it is a ukrainian issue, in fact it is a security issue of the entire region, and that is why polish politicians demonstrate almost daily obsession at every international meeting, today it is the most important topic for the prime minister, for members of the government, and for the minister of foreign affairs, and for parliamentarians, dozens of meetings on this topic take place almost every week, the pressure comes from each meeting. i would say from every coffee drunk, because coffee is usually drunk at such meetings, but this political pressure makes sense and it gives certain results, because i see, for example, how the attitude of american politicians is changing. the skeptics , the commentators, are beginning to see these ties, but it is most noticeable, for example , among german politicians today, who up to a certain point said: "no, we will not give

taurus, that is, those missiles that can express the target as farthest from the front." therefore, a politician should be super active in such times. today , there is no other country, except poland, which would so actively defend what was achieved in the last two years, that is, political and military support for ukraine. we appreciate the personal sacrifice of every ukrainian family. not every ukrainian family lost someone, but almost every ukrainian family the family was and is involved in this, and we will also think about the polish families, because it is not us, but joe biden, in his speech about the state of affairs in ukraine, said that putin will not stop at ukraine, we all have to understand this. to understand putin, you need to imagine hitler in 1938, not to make the same mistakes as then. another interesting story that happened this week -

ukraine and provide the necessary weapons? i have the impression that we have already talked about this several times, that there is a fine line between intimidation and repulsion and warning. and i think that in the element of fear of russia plays a huge role in germany. fear of russia, this is a very bad phenomenon because it also affects politicians and they start making decisions to please this sense of public opinion, which is also afraid, so people

are afraid, and this is also based on a study that you say, but in reality , most people are unable to appreciate what the use of taurus or other such weapons means, what the consequences are, their responses simply come from fear, that's the problem, our role - overcome this fear. how best to explain, that's why i don't want to talk about apocalyptic scenarios, because they hardly mobilize people, most often they just cause fear and someone thinks: well, it's worth waiting, maybe something will change, the only thing that can change is the removal of putin his environment, otherwise i don't see any positive possibility to somehow get through all this for today. using the principle, let's wait and see, but if we talk about this downpour, about the downpour itself. this is just proof that even very professional systems like germany's are imperfect. this is a huge failure. the german minister of defense himself told the story that this was a big mistake, but it also shows that, you know, there

are some fractures there in germany as well. because i interpret it from two sides, there is a downpour, but you can see that they are trying to understand how to do everything. therefore, this process of transfer of taurus is going on, and this is important. if we want ukraine not only to wait on the front line this year. we are waiting for taurus, atakms, for help and weapons for ukraine, as well we expect and demand responsible leadership from world politicians. pawel koval, chairman of the commission on international affairs of the polish sejm and authorized representative of the polish government on the reconstruction of ukraine. maria gurska, tv journalist, editor-in-chief of the seestri.eu portal. see you next week.

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