means that some republican voters, just some republicans , will not vote for trump, so it's not at all clear that he has any advantages, and a lot can change in 8 months, so to say now that trump will win or to say that if biden wins, it is completely inappropriate, well, at least for now, the united states remains a democracy, where the fate of the election will be decided. and make, make predictions about who will win, i think it's not worth it now. mr. igor, what is the general tradition of visiting and elections in the united states, yes, that is, involvement in the processes in general, because at one time ukraine was ill because the turnout in the elections was low, and we started from what we started, and now in the states, considering that a large part of people can simply... not find

among these two candidates for whom i would be ready to vote, do they not have the same problem? voter turnout varies, i think it depends on the time, it depends on the challenges, it depends on how much people believe that the election can change their lives, say in the 20th year, no due to covid, the turnout was huge , a record in the history of the united states, well, i can say, i personally, my wife and i stood in line for three hours to vote, and we went to vote early, not even on election day , and a week before the election, and we then spent three hours in line, because so many people voted, never before, in the elections in the 22nd year, the midterm elections for the congress, significantly fewer people voted, especially those who vote for democrats, they somehow became very passive. but before

the elections, many of them did not go to the polling station, and what will happen now, well, it is very difficult to say, it can happen, so i agree with you that people can somehow decide that they do not like either trump or biden, so they will sit at home, and of course , this can happen, what will people feel closer to november, how important will they consider it to be to come and vote, well, it's hard to say now, but in the 20th year it was really a record, because... then it was early voting is allowed in all states, even where it wasn't there before, because of covid, and there were queues everywhere, but during all the days when voting was allowed, there were huge queues at all the polling stations, we'll see how it goes now, and please tell me what you think about this idea, that republicans will propose their own bill regarding aid to ukraine, it became known today and this project is based on some russian money that

is stored in the west, and will this money be a guarantee that ukraine will receive new aid? i, mr. vitaly, have already heard about three republican bills , what you're talking about, another one where congressman fitzpatrick is trying to take that bill that passed the senate, but add back to it border security and stuff, and another one where ukraine would be given . loans, well, the option you are talking about is for loans to be granted at the expense of this russian money that is in the west, by the way, the same proposal was heard from great britain, where it must be said, there is more russian sovereign money than in united states, in the united states it is only about $6 billion, overall the vast majority of that money is in the jurisdiction. union, and just specifically

in brussels there is a european repository there , where, where is really more than 200 million euros of russian money, ah, i can say that i would like any solution, but for ukraine to receive help, but that it is necessary to take into account the current divided congress bills that are being prepared behind the scenes by one party, they do not have. chances of being adopted, because even within the same party they can be different opinions, so the bills can only be passed if there is a bipartisan agreement, a bipartisan coalition to pass them, and if the republicans are going to prepare bills somewhere under the carpet, so that no one sees it, i think there will be little chance of passing them, because something can get there, which, let's say, can be significant...

a part of the democrats will not like it there, if there are some unacceptable conditions, if it does not agree with the leaders of the senate at all, or if the senate votes for it, any bill in the senate... can be taken only on on a bipartisan basis, because there you need 60 votes, the democrats have 51 seats in the senate, the republicans have 49, that is , nothing can be adopted there at all, unless there is a bipartisan agreement, a bipartisan coalition, that is, i would say that any bill that will still provide aid to ukraine, which can pass, that will be good, but if bills are being prepared behind the scenes, that's bad, did i... gave another message yesterday that the same republican congressman fits patrick, he 's going to collect signatures for another with a petition, a discharge petition about their bill on aid to ukraine, which means all kinds of things related to the border, the democrats

said that they have already started collecting signatures for the bill that was approved by the senate, by the way, this is the pressure of speaker johnson, because if there is 218... signatures for one of these draft laws, it will still be considered bypassing the speaker, for the speaker this is an ordinary political defeat, that is, it will indicate that he cannot lead the chamber, he cannot even lead his faction, if there will be those who will sign such a petition, so i really want to hope that in the end this problem will be solved, although it was a shame to see how the majority of republicans reacted to the part of biden's speech that related to ukraine, then they were silent, something, something were reading on their phones, the speaker was there in one place, when biden referred to how reagan said, mr. gorbachev will knock down this wall, so somewhere under the table he was applauding, so that

it was not very visible that he, that he applauds, and it was clear from his face that he it feels very, very bad when biden talked about all this... and, as we understand, in the case of trying to advance one of the alternative bills, we have time added to the moment of theoretical approval, true, that is, it is not march anymore, already there april and so on, yes, yes, although there is one moment that, oddly enough, can be positive, because the primaries will continue to take place, after they took place for the republican members. representatives may, therefore, already disappear fears that trump may oppose in their constituencies they have some of their supporters, that is, they can, surprisingly, get more freedom of action. thank you, mr. igor, igor

eisenbek, a professor at new york university, was in touch with us. another important event this week. lihoite, special representative of the president of the people's republic of china shizen pinh for relations with of central europe, visited kyiv after visiting the russian capital and the capitals of european countries, and we will talk about it with the former ambassador of ukraine to china, co-chairman of the ukrainian-chinese business council ihor lytvyn. congratulations, mr. igor. congratulations, and can you even understand why lihui started this tour in the first place? he is the government's special envoy for relations with eurasia. and that is why he came here, to moscow, and to the european capital, in order to express his main opinion, which is the opinion that it is necessary to convene an international

peace conference with the participation of russia. as the minister of foreign affairs and in general the chief diplomat of china said. at this, that is, every session of the assembly of people's representatives, china supports the convening of an international peace conference to which both ukraine and russia will agree, in which all parties will participate on equal terms and will be able to impartially and honestly discuss all peace plans. all conflicts must end at the negotiating table, and the sooner these negotiations begin, the sooner peace will come. that is , lihui came here in order to call on the ukrainian side to russia's participation in the peace conference, although our position, as you know, is that we first hold a conference in

switzerland, and when there will be enough supporters of the ukrainian peace formula, then russia will be invited to... but china wants to make it so that at the first conference, and not at the second, as we plan and how they support us in this. our western allies, we planned and plan to invite russia to the second conference. china wants it, it seems that russia is not going to either the first, the second conference, or the third, to be honest, there is such an impression, but they somehow look at it, to put it mildly, without much enthusiasm. i don't know how the negotiations of the liftway ended moscow, but there is an opinion that russia would be ready after all. to invite her and discuss these issues with her, and we

are not ready for this, and our president said that there is no point in sitting in front of the negotiating forces as a zagard, let them withdraw their troops from our territory, and then there will be negotiations, when it is established, that means the territorial integrity of ukraine is restored, then maybe we will sit down for a full-fledged negotiation, but not now, that is why there is such a formula, let us convince that the formula is ukrainian... the formula for peace, it is the best and we will be many have supporters, and then we will call russia and simply set its conditions, such thoughts arise, but lihui, according to the south china morning post, which followed his european visit, there repeated the russian narrative in his conversations with his european colleagues in that time, as during its previous one. tour he was much more advanced, you can explain what explains such a change of position in the direction of precisely

supporting the russian idea of ​​\u200b \u200bhow the war should continue and end. i to you i will honestly say that i do not see a change in position at all, both from the very beginning and now, china is doing everything to achieve its chinese interests, and for and for chinese interests, what they call the conflict or the ukrainian crisis, it is necessary finish. because, well, china is stopping in its efforts to make global economic expansion, and the continuation of the war, as they say, it is already starting, they do not see anything that speaks of the fact that it is possible to advance somewhere by military means, and therefore there is no change, they want, they are saying what they want to hear in moscow, i know, inside information from their chinese friends, they all see moscow

as something so crazy that it can start a nuclear war, which china absolutely does not want to even think about, so they say to russia what she wants to hear, in fact, in fact, china does not stop trying and thinking. does not leave in order to create a bipolar world, china, the united states, and now a lot needs to be done for this, for example, at the session of the national people's congress, the chinese national people's congress, prime minister liqiang did a report where, as a goal, it means that the new five will be five five. means the growth of the economy, and at the same time the military

budget, it will be a record, increased by hundreds, and it will reach uah 231 billion, that is, we are doing everything to strengthen the economy, and we are looking for new productive forces, as shizen ping said last year, and now echoed the airmen and at the same time we increase the military budget in order to be ready for any situation. mr. igor, you said that china is interested in russia's war in ukraine stopping as soon as possible, they they think moscow is not full of reason, and so on. but nevertheless, to drag moscow right away to the first round of any peace negotiations is to actually allow it again. to continue the mantra, and here mr. vitaly will now remind me that there is denazification, deratization, defication,

excuse me, please, i can’t spin these words, to be honest, so what, does this give us at least some options for getting out of situation, that is, the desire of china in your opinion is in principle understandable and may even be very right, but at the same time what it is doing now the chinese representative does not in any way... pave the way for the realization of these wishes, well , they think differently, they think that if we sit down at the table for negotiations between russia and ukraine, that will begin. a process that will still end in peace, you understand, and i will also tell you that this is not necessarily something that we should perceive as something absolutely true, what negotiations with diplomacy are, these are two sides whose position, therefore , clearly formulated, approved on the mountain, they are trying to make the other

our side at the negotiating table voluntarily gave up its position and took your position. these negotiations are diplomatic, and their goal is exactly that, so he, he plays this, that is, the proposal, and looks at the reaction, he will go, he will not go, because otherwise it is impossible to find out which way he will go, that is, the development of events, if not to do as we would like, you understand, so here we definitely cannot talk about what china is promoting, it is not promoting anything, and turkey is not promoting? by the way, doesn't want to either russia took part in a peace conference , in which one exactly, i cannot specify, but the narrative is the same, for some reason we believe that it is a russian narrative, nothing like that, russia has its narratives, and china has its own, and it is more profitable for it to what they call a rat ended as soon as possible, and otherwise

i was at the negotiating table, having set the sides, i would not have moved anything. from the place and that's it, it's easier. ugh. and tell me, do you understand why all this is happening right now, because liuhui took a break for quite a long time after his last tour, after the contacts of the president zelensky with the head of the people's republic of china xi jinping, about whom we have almost forgotten. why is this such an important topic again? well, he is not the one who invents these topics. he got the team, he went. i thought so there. that yes, since the phase is coming, or the phase has already come, as they believe, well, in military actions, which do not see absolute prospects behind them, then it is necessary to move the process from its place with this very negotiation process, that is why the necessity that emerged

to go to the lihuey team again and it means again already a... to pierce this question, i cannot speak otherwise, i cannot express another opinion, except what i have already said, ugh, and please tell me, mr. igor, there is such information that russia could have been preparing, or at least to think about a nuclear strike on the territory of ukraine in 2022, and we talked a lot about the fact that maybe even china has become a safeguard, an additional one, maybe for... the russian federation, so as not to do this. is china's position now, once again, decisive in this matter for the russian federation? well, at least i'm deep is convinced that russia is significantly dependent on china's position in all issues, including international security issues. and , of course, he listens to the opinion

of the chinese leadership, which has already been repeatedly expressed in... various documents, including xi jinping's march visit to moscow a year ago, where it was clearly stated that it was the insistence of the chinese side that no opportunities for the start of nuclear, the use of nuclear weapons, cannot even be in thoughts, this position has not changed, they clearly orient russia to, god forbid, use nuclear weapons. you know that russia has almost 600 nuclear warheads, china has 200 or so, well, how can it be compared, that is why no one in china needs a nuclear threat at all, and this is an unchanged position, and thank god what they are doing what

the whole world demands in order to restrain a... aggressive plans and threats of nuclear weapons, so that they do not materialize, god forbid. how much do you think china can influence russia here? i think he has a very good influence and can influence russia, and not only with of this issue, but also of others, those that , for example, were discussed during the briefing in the office of the president, the ministry of foreign affairs, these and the dems... of course, they stick to their position, and they invest in their position the main content, it is necessary to stop fighting, and

none of them is saying that let's stop now, as russia is proposing, and in fact these territories that are occupied, let them remain in the composition of russia, nothing like that, lihui even... was asked , and he clearly confirmed that no, no, no, we are for it we are not advocating, we are advocating for the preservation of the territorial integrity of ukraine and an end to what they call the conflict, and nothing changes there, but tell me what you think, and what is territorial integrity in general, so president erdoğan, let's say, clearly says that he recognizes the territorial integrity of ukraine and considers crimea to be ukrainian, and it is absolutely obvious what is meant, and china, when it talks about territorial integrity... it never details what it means, after all, crimea and donbas are ukrainian territory from the point of view of china or not, we have never heard it, we have not heard it, we have heard it,

china said a long, long time ago that it does not recognize crimea as russian, does not recognize otsi, that means the donetsk and luhansk republics, although there were of course some moments that can be counted as sayings. support for this position regarding territorial integrity is without crimea, i mean, when a singer sang in mariupol in a packed theater and so on, it happens like that, but the official position was clearly stated: crimea is ukraine, donetsk and luhansk regions are ukraine and china does not adhere to any other positions, even officially. thank you sir. ihor lytvyn, ambassador of ukraine to the people's republic of china in 1999-2001, co-leader of the ukrainian chinese business council , was in touch with us and we talked about the last tour

of the special representative of the people's republic of china lihui to kyiv and european capitals, before that liuhei visited in moscow, spoke there with representatives of the ministry of foreign affairs of the russian federation, we tried to understand what this is connected with chinese not right now, khrystyna and i will take a break for a few minutes, but please don't switch, we will continue our dialogue. there are discounts for lisovakt, 10% in psarynyk, bam and oskad pharmacies. there are discounts on noshpa tablets, 15% in pharmacies, plantain, bam and oskad. there are discounts on voltaren forte 20%. in podorozhnyk-bam and oskad pharmacies. there are 10% discounts on zipelor in podorozhnyk-bam and oskad pharmacies. the premium sponsor

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with erdogan. we understand that this was not only a bilateral meeting of the presidents, but also an agreement on defense ties. that is, after all, turkey is a little different from china in this position. she is looking for opportunities to help ukraine. well, to a certain extent, where it does not contradict, let's say, its interest in relations with the russian federation. the russian federation calmly looks at a certain supply of weapons from torechchyna, because at the same time torechchyna opens up for russia the opportunities that for western countries do not open it. and honestly, i don't know what would be better. perhaps it would be better if turkey did not supply us with any weapons, but would close the possibility for russian oligarchs to have their money in turkish banks, for relatives and friends of putin, to have villas in turkey, that is, in fact , turkey is helping russia to get rid of the sanctions effect. and along with that, we will get some weapons there, well, this is such a compensation, a lot can be a lot actually, even the same kirpy cars that

our marines drive, it is really important. that's it the question is always where is this balance, imagine that any western country would give us a lot of weapons and not and did not introduce sanctions against russia, we thought that this was treason, and from turkey somehow it is, well, what can you do, it is from turkey , but in fact turkey is a member of nato, it is part of the western world, it should have behaved completely differently, but it does not behave, and this is also a very important moment in this whole story, regarding the negotiations between the presidents of turkey and ukraine, you see. that they completely disagreed on how things should be done, president dogan believes that ukraine and russia should talk to each other in istanbul or ankara, and president zelensky follows this scenario: peace formula, states turn to russia, then russia is invited or not to the peace summit, the next one, and they will be there to talk with someone who

will be ready... to conspire constructively, as far as i understand, this is not president putin, and this is such a world that does not exist, it may exist in the imagination of volodymyr zelensky, that such a world should be, it is a world of justice , but we do not live in a world of justice, we live in the world of war, injustice, aggression, and it is a much less comfortable world than in the heads of politicians, ugh, and this must also be realized, in relation to china and in relation to turkey, it seems to me that they are just after... after the end of the ukrainian offensive and the russian started , they are measuring the water temperature, that is, is ukraine ready to realize that it will not return its territories, what is needed, to agree to the russian conditions, that is, if you want to save something, then you can use our services to fulfill the russian conditions, because in the future it will only be worse for you, this is actually what they say in ankara and what they say in beijing, you don't need

to invent some... such complicated motives that danasto, i don't think we can to agree with this for one simple reason: i do not believe that russia will go to any negotiations, i believe that this is precisely chinese and turkish desire, because it would be good for china if ukraine remained in the role of such a large belarus, became such a lukashenka country because it is another european... country in the orbit of china, and this is guaranteed by the russian role here, it has always been and will be, it is simply necessary from the point of view of creating this bipolar world, because we already understand how china sees this bipolar world, russia, ukraine, belarus, and ee relatively speaking, there are hungary and slovakia, as friendly countries, you saw that viktor orban also communicates with

chinese leaders. and i don't understand how that fits into the fact that he's there talking to donald trump at the same time, how he explains it to donald trump, well, i don't know, but orban is a person who can explain many things to someone, let's not dwell on this, this is such a moment, another moment that is also very important, that russia does not need all this, russia does not need any lukashenka ukraine, and i will tell you honestly, and lukashenka's belarus, the russians are just waiting until eventually they finish off lukashenka sooner or later, he just physically can go anywhere. come on, this is such a completely specific imperial scheme, roman, ugh, like in rome there were some kings in the provinces, and these provinces were states while these kings were alive because rome considered them important allies, they actually did him a lot of favors, ugh, and rome agreed that there might be egypt, or judea, kingdoms, and when these kings die?