can it happen? of course it can. of course , someone may be the president of ukraine after the end of the war and after the presidential elections. it is unlikely that it will be the current president, well, i will tell you straight away honestly that some person will most likely win the current president, even if he is a participant in the elections. this is the law of war. but i don't know if it will be valery zaluzhnyi. it can be completely different options, this. may not be in 20204, in 2034, you understand, we have some real, i would say, prerequisites for the war ended in some near future, does not exist in nature, once again the ukrainians are inventing something, but there is no need to invent, russia is not going to end this war, is not going to hold any negotiations, the most we can do is push it back to our borders once. and

there is already fighting for further, uh, will it be possible in this situation to cancel the martial law and hold elections, well, in principle, anything can happen, military local elections were held in israel in the conditions of the war against hamas, but the war against hamas takes place on the territory of the gas sector, on the territory, when we will conduct a war, say on the border, we will have some kind of buffer zone there, we will know that we can hold some kind of elections on the entire territory of the country, we, of course , taking into account missile attacks, drones there , all this will be. to continue , well then it will be possible to at least talk about it , but we have to live up to it and again not everyone will live to it, that is , those who will survive should talk about it, not we, we don’t know who, it’s a lottery, we don’t know , which of us will be able to take part in this discussion, because it is necessary, well, to be honest, and i can die there in a week from a rocket attack or in a year from a rocket attack, and those who look at us can die, well, this is war, you need to be sober for this and not to think that everyone there is eternal. and that this projectile will definitely

hit someone else, not you, no, maybe you, this is a normal situation during war. mr. vitaly, we have already talked about the elections and their prospects, or rather not the prospects, but in the russian federation what they call elections must happen it's very soon, and on the eve of all this , quite interesting things are happening, maybe i made it up to myself, you will deny it now, but a number of embassies, that is, of reputable western countries. inform their citizens: be careful, and many also remember how exactly putin ensured his coming to power, justified the second chechen campaign in general and actually mobilized a large number of russians for it, and here the question arises, is something similar happening now, that is, whether can the fsb resort to such actions in order to in order to justify for russian society the continuation of the svo in the future and the need to elect putin himself. i think that a few hours ago... there was a report that

the federal security service, uh, arrested two citizens of kazakhstan, uh, who were preparing a terrorist act in a moscow synagogue, and this is already news, that is, some events are happening there, they are not necessarily must be regulated, they may be related to the fact that they are also capable of losing control, uh, that is the fact that they can prepare a terrorist attack in order to unite people around. this is also absolutely their method, they may want the russians to see that not everything is so safe, but you don't need to relax, relax, otherwise you somehow relaxed , you don't feel the war, you think that all this is not happening here, you don't accept putin as a guarantor of your, your safety and survival, and you have to accept, and we will do something to you right now, turn off the tap, that's absolutely. but it is logical, especially since they

have already done it, but they have been doing it for as many as 24 years years ago, 25, and i think that many who remember how it all happened, a whole generation of people grew up at such an adult age, imagine that people who are 25 years old, there are 30, they well, they just don't remember this, all this atmosphere of horror, ugh, they have lived there for 30 years in conditions of... relative stability, no large-scale terrorist actions, no explosions of buildings, a war somewhere in ukraine, well, of course, we will soon defeat everyone , so, uh, let's destroy, on, and we're all right, we need, so, an additional level of danger, it can be involved, that is, if this decision is taken, there, as you remember, the secretary of the security council, this is general patrushev, who was the organizer of all these explosions of buildings, nothing has changed, even the same people, and i think that mr. patrushev has this

bag with exogen at home, which he simply took out of his closet and carried to the stadium, well, whether his bodyguard carried it does not matter, that is , there is no need to order anything, because in they have been cutting since the time. i think that mr. patricia himself home, i hid this package with exogen somewhere away from my wife, and now i can safely use it, ugh, and that's all, finally, let's remind you that today is march 9, and ukraine celebrates the birthday of taras hryhorovych shevchenko, these are shevchenko days, these are the events of associated with the commemoration of his memory, after all... the signing of the shevchenko prize, and we already know about the laureates. i have the following question for you: well , the russian federation appropriated a huge number of artists, specifically ukrainian artists. well, there, among the artists, anything that comes to mind, ripin, pymonenko,

is permissible, and malevich, for example. this applies to artists of many different arts, but shevchenko, no, shevchenko, they fight against him. monuments, this is directly enemy number one for them, not just some unloved son of the russian empire, relatively speaking, but a direct enemy, in soviet times , the work of taras shevchenko was taught in the course of russian literature, he was there, ugh, simply in ukraine, these pages were turned over there, because he was familiar with ukrainian literature, on the territory of the entire soviet union, shevchenko was perceived as a russian writer, and so were they. an important point, i am not sure that he is an enemy for them, because the monument to shevchenko is standing in moscow, they do not dismantle it, do not rename it, and the streets and avenues it is named after, which are named

after shevchenko, i think that they simply have another shevchenko, from shevchenko, who was an academician of the st. petersburg academy of sciences, a friend of the russian democrats, and such... shevchenko, let's say, was created by the bolsheviks, because as you understand, such shevchenko never existed, and the same russian democrats did not like shevchenko very much, ugh, this shevchenko is absolutely beneficial to them, because why would they destroy him, they still hope to use him after they occupy ukraine in their usual perspective, as the russians , ukrainian writers, as part of this great russian civilization, just people who wrote in a dialect, so... from our point of view , the fight against shevchenko is a kind of main task of russian propaganda, and it seems to me that the main task of russian propaganda is a reinterpretation of shevchenko, well, they always tried to do just that, to reinterpret shevchenko, because by and

large they needed people everywhere who were like that, you know, sort of like that... pushkins, that was to be the great pushkin for all the soviet union, but that’s it, it’s a soviet idea, all that, and then there’s little pushkin, shevchenko, dzhambul in kazakhstan, yakub kolos or yanka kupala in belarus, so that it becomes clear that pushkin is our everything, and these are such people who are somewhere in the shadows, well, those little ones funny literary books, and what the hell... let's be, okay, and it didn't start right away either, as you understand, pushkin was returned to the iconostasis of soviet culture in 1937, when everything was on fire, people were shot in basements, by the thousands and in

general, no one knew whether he would return home or not come to him at night, they organized such a celebration of pushkin's anniversary, so i think that... "russian propaganda is dangerous because it mystifies reality, mystifies people's images , and mystifies creativity, because a large part shevchenko's legacy was either forbidden or , i would say, overemphasized, well, in soviet times, it was always strange to me, in principle, that shevchenko wrote everything about the russian empire." about the essence of russian statehood, but it was somehow assumed that he was fighting with the capitalists , with the bourgeois, as a people, we are the people, now you see, and shevchenko's dreams came true, when the ukrainian and russian proletarians united, and now

everything is beautiful, that's all, everything that happened, we read the testament, because this it was carried out by comrades lenin and stalin, and that's it absolutely not true, but by the way, i would like to tell you that i think there are a lot of worthy laureates of the shevchenko prize this year. olehs, who shot the film 20 days in mariupol, which is now world famous, and the director, we wish him good luck at the oscars soon, director ivan orivskyi, together with colleagues who staged this famous play the witch of konotop, have you seen it? no, i haven't seen it, because you can't see it, there is no, it's such an amazing show, it's coming, everyone has seen it, tickets no, i always check. this whole, how to say it, possibility, well, no possibility

, well, i'll wait, i'll see, i think now there's going to be even more attention, so there's a chance to see her, at least i hope so, but i'd like to i would especially like to say about jamal's shevchenko award, because i believe that the fact that she received this award for her album kerim is a continuation. shevchenko's tradition in its purest form, because shevchenko largely recreated the ukrainian nation in conditions where this ukrainian the nation had no real political and cultural importance to recreate itself, and what we got in general is a construct, a construct, without which ukrainians would not be what we know, this man with his creativity, these poems, this by creating her world, in fact... she created a world for the whole people, huh, and you could always understand who was ukrainian, then over time

simply by looking at the houses in which there was a kobzar, or a book, or a portrait, or both a book and a portrait, and it is an absolutely amazing thing, incomprehensible no to a ukrainian, because why did these russian democrats understand it, for them it was just bad poems, yes, they simply did not understand what it was, and this is exactly the moment when this spirit is felt in poetry... of the nation , which is trying to be preserved and strengthened. it is a very rare thing, by the way, in world culture, when poetry is not just there, an effort to express oneself, one's world, to share one's emotions, let's say so, to paint some kind of picture, namely to be preserved, to be created, to become a program, by the way, this is guernica picasso, very good an example of the same description, too, when...... the artist creates something that is essentially a reflection of the soul of the nation in its

civilizational sense of the word, and not just a picture to be looked at or painted. and jamal, by and large, in this album, this is exactly the same opportunity to construct the crimean-tatar cultural world in conditions when the crimean tatars themselves are deprived of such an opportunity, they are under occupation, they are actually marginalized by the occupation authorities, not for the first time. because it happens periodically there once every certain historical period since the annexation crimea by catherine ii, not even vladimir putin, and here someone simply takes this culture as such and creates a work of art from it, which obviously will not allow the crimean tatars to forget about themselves, as shevchenko did not allow the ukrainians to forget about themselves, i certainly do not want to now . to compare the scale , i compare the tradition itself, because it was very strange for me to meet in 2023 an example

of such creativity, which i thought was already lost, which is a feature, not even of the 20th, but of the 19th century, because it is so large-scale problem, which we once perceived, you know, in some great... or it could be at the level of a song, it's also true, the yakudite of piave and france, or omali rodríguez, who created there, reconstructed the fado genre in portugal, and we're behind it, in principle, with this re-construal of the use of the genre, we see the portuguese soul, soul, that is, when a singer can understand the soul of her own people so much that then this people perceives their soul through her songs, if we need to understand how you... gives france, we listen edit p, and the french are listening the question arises that they did not know this before edit

piaf, obviously not, and the same thing happens with this work of jamala, and we are talking about a small people, because there are people there, there are many millions, like ukrainians, they can offer immediately there are several such cultural attempts in literature, in song, in the visual arts, when it comes to a small nation, it is such an achievement... i think it is simply worth not only the shevchenko prize, but at least our awareness of the scale of the task, and so that you and i have not touched on other topics before at the end of our conversation, i will honestly tell you that in any case, every anniversary of shevchenko is an opportunity to think in one way or another about the fact that he foresaw this whole situation, and this is something that russians will never be able to keep silent about, because do you remember what

president reagan read, i... from the caucasus, when he met with ukrainians, with american ukrainians in the white house, and these very lines, that from a moldovan to a finn, everything is silent in all languages, because prosperity, now there is no neither a moldovan nor a finn, but russia is destabilizing moldova and threatens finland, it would seem that how much time has passed since the caucasus, and tries to destabilize the caucasus at the same time, that is... this poem, it remained as if it was written yesterday, the anti-imperial pathos of shevchenko, which in principle should look like such a classic of the past history, like dickens, like byron, like anyone else, remains absolutely

relevant poetry, the lines of ukrainian poets are relevant, well, the lines of russian poets remain relevant, because in their glorification of the empire, as oleksandr sergeyevich pushkin, who wrote: "a stavtsi is an old dispute between the slavs among themselves, but in principle, this is what, well, this could also be written on any russian tank that is coming here, and it could if he had read books, he could have quoted it at the meeting of the security council." organization of the united nations, and here is this conflict - the great civilizational conflict between the imperial poet and the anti-imperial poet of 2024, it remains exactly as principled as it is now, and by the way, the same pushkin remained at the same time a singer of freedom for

the russians, we are talking about the russian oppositionists, they can be singers of freedom and at the same time for bitter chauvinists. that is , freedom for oneself, and not freedom for the oppressed, and this is also a very important point, which, i would say, makes ukrainian culture, largely created and literature, by the efforts of shevchenko, antagonistic to any imperial culture, so in this respect you and i really need shevchenko to win, and it depends on us and, of course, on our glorious soldiers, who can also be named heirs of this tradition, perhaps the main ones, thank you khrystyna, thank you. unlimited mr. vitaly, the saturday flight club will return to our viewers next saturday, khrystyna yatskiv, vitaliy portnikov and see you,

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the sound, we continue the saturday political club, khrystyna yatskiv and vitaly portnikov. our values ​​and ukrainian view. stay tuned for espresso updates and thank you for your trust. greetings, good evening. my name is myroslava barchuk, this. the program has its own names, a joint project of the espresso tv channel and the ukrainian pen. today we will talk about a cultural project that caused a scandal, which is still raging in ukrainian networks, this is a rep musical called "you romance". this is such a musical album, which tells about the history of the shot revival and, in general , about this history of ukraine from the 17th to... years, that is, this is such a musical-historical project, why are there such different evaluations from masterpiece to profanity, why do we hear such opposite

evaluations, and what does this public debate signal, today i invited lyuba yakymchuk, poet, screenwriter, she, by the way, is a researcher of the life and work of mykhailo semenko, to the conversation. the poet of the shot revival, congratulations. dear, i congratulate you, myroslava, and the poet, philologist, teacher of ukrainian literature, halyna kruk will join us later, she is currently abroad, but she will join the conversation later, so that she also has her own opinion and assessment of this cultural project. so, there is such a creative association mur, these are young people who are engaged in the popularization of ukrainian literature in their own country. way, they, in fact , in this project, about which, which i am talking about, as i said, in 17 different compositions, 17 different tracks, they talk about historical

events and about poets of the renaissance who were shot, the release of the album you romance, actually caused such an absolute storm in ukrainian social networks and... in the cultural environment, that's you you see these young people, the people who actually prepared this, created this rap musical, let's start with an excerpt, a bright excerpt from the album you are romantic, please, mykhaylko khakhayl, khayl seme, many , many, khaylko, mykhayl semenko, essence, critics, let are watching,

so i deliberately chose the track that is dedicated to lubo. mykhailo semenko, because i 'm interested to know how you actually perceive such aesthetics and such an approach, such optics, how did you perceive this project and in particular this

track regarding semenko? well, i saw it in news, i didn't see that a wave of such a discussion started there in the evening on facebook, i sometimes fall out of facebook there, but i saw it in the news, in the news, and at first i was happy - i was happy with this news, but... i opened video , and i didn’t get the beginning, i started scrolling, and i saw this, this is exactly this passage, and i thought that this is the audacity that is shown there, the audacity of sumenka, it is appropriate, regarding the interpretation of his poetry, yes because he was such a hooligan, defiant, of course, this is a modern interpretation, that is, in such terms, in such words it could not be then, but with this even i'm okay, here, but, this phrase immediately struck me very much, i'm poetry, it's simple. and they, at some point

, i thought, and now they are doing to us what semenko did then with writers of such a symbolic sense, semenko, who burst in, already having, by the way, one book, also in such a symbolic style, which burst into literature and declared that he was smoking his kobzar, he made such a revolution in literature and began to write futuristic poetry, i i thought they were doing something like that. but paying attention to the aesthetic level of these texts, that is, in general, i am talking about this entire opera, rap opera, this is how they describe it, although there may be a lot of hip-hop, here is recitative, just some kind of reading, and from this context, but it doesn't extend to smnk, because he was a person who had an education, who was educated.

who understood what kind of literary process she got into, but these guys, girls from muru, i don’t think they understood what kind of literary process they got into, and these are new converts who do not really understand, and what about them in this sense has already been, what has been created, they know something and obviously they know our film with taras tomenko, i am the co-screenwriter of two films about the house. a word about the shot revival of documentary and game, and it is obviously visible from the quotes that they use there almost entire scenes from our film, sound such scenes are introduced, it is visible, but for example, they themselves talk about it in an interview that they don't know other projects, they don't know foxtrot project, i don't know, i don't know if there was a comment on

this project of a whip and a whip. of this band after the shot revival, too, but they didn't understand what we were doing here, but before they appeared, and this is the big difference between the futurists and them, and this is me for this, this with poetry, of course, it offends us, but i also understand, well, that is, it forms an attitude towards poetry that i really don't like, i don't think that a poet... could write such a thing about poetry, because poetry is generally something so sacred , even for semenko, something like that, a that we protect and glorify so little, we don't have so many readers of poetry, they got a wall, a press release came out, and we will show it, and they say about this, we wrote this album clearly drawing parallels with modernity, in our sausyura in the third assault room,

yes, that's right. which still tries to maintain dignity, even under such circumstances, and look, the last phrase interested me: and mykhailo semenko teaches the listeners with a cheap provocation, that's it, it just seems to me that this is some kind of strange evaluative judgment about a cheap provocation by semenko, or i... was it somewhere that it was so cheap, it’s not cheap, it already happened, it’s that semenko was accused of such a performance by shevchenko, here, but it was not a cheap provocation, and even now it is semenko's provocation is relevant because shevchenko was indeed canonized, and it is clear that in ukrainian society, society, and this was 1914, was the century. july

since shevchenko's birthday, here in ukrainian society you hear that shevchenko was arrested, it was painful, it was very painful it was accepted, bookstores threw it away, they did not want to sell it as a book in some bookstores, it was not sold everywhere, although it was such a pamphlet, well, those are the details, that’s it, but the provocation was not cheap, there was a problem with shevchenko, and what m.. . in which we have already lost, what a situation, in which we lost a person, and semenko was exactly the one who wanted to return this person, and he confirmed this all his life, he was the editor of the film taras shevchenko chardinin, he ran the column about shevchenko in new generation, he was very, he was from those who contributed a lot to popularization.