1914, the centenary of shevchenko's birthday, here in ukrainian society it is heard that shevchenko's arrest was painful, it was very painfully perceived, bookstores threw him out, they did not want to sell his book in some bookstores, it was not sold everywhere, although it was such a brochure, well, these are details, that's it, but the provocation was not cheap, there was a problem with shevchenko. and what m-m, in which we have already lost, which set an icon, in which we lost a person, and semenko was exactly the one who wanted to return this person, and all his life he he confirmed this, he was the editor of the film taras shevchenko by cherdinin, he ran a column about shevchenko in the new generation, he was one of those who contributed a lot to the popularization of shevchenko and to his reinterpretation in a new way, and about which he stated what about you then, well... it wasn't exactly a cheap

provocation, but should we expect such projects, i am like that, there is such an argument that such projects are a project, this is a project for teenagers, should we expect and approach such project with such a measure of quality, with some perfectionism, or should are they to be literate or perfect such musical projects? well, you can talk a lot about it, for example, the comment given by the ukrainian editor oleksandr stukalo, evaluating this project, he said that if we sit there for 10 years over the books, we will have such projects once every 5 years. and lo and behold, here you read and did it very quickly for several months, but my thesis is completely different, my thesis is that it is possible to make high-quality projects. popular projects,

light, which are easy to enter, make them qualitatively, involving scientists there, for example, yarina tsymbal, who was also a consultant for our tarasom film, our script, to give these texts of hers, to read them to a wider circle, at least to her friends, some poets, acquaintances, in order to get feedback and adjust them, if teratz and i released our first script of our and... documentary and feature game film, and i think we would have been killed by critics and connoisseurs of the shot revival, but we worked for a long time, we gave readings, we attracted professional audiences and in including writers, oksana zabushka read our feature film and made comments that we took into account, here they can tell you that before this project, i understand that serhii zhidan had a relationship with tyromantika, i understand that he just read one. the text and

i'm not sure that he read the entire script, knowing serhiy's schedule and knowing him quite, well , quite, how friendly it is. it seems to me that the most detailed analysis of the teromantika project, at least from what i saw on the networks, was made by galina kruko, a poet, and what is important for us, a teacher of literature at the franko university of lviv. halyna says that it is not a game. competent or unclear wording, both about poets, about the work of poets, about their personalities, about historical events may not help such a potential target audience, teenagers, on the contrary, it may disorient them. halyna kruk, contact us. galyu, greetings, good evening, thank you for finding the opportunity to join. good evening. and we are talking now, but lyuba has already

spoken about mykhailo semenko in the same way interpretation of mykhailo semenko in the poet in the teromantika project, you wrote very clear theses regarding, regarding your remarks, yes regarding this project. please tell me what worries you about this project, and in particular, i am asking you... to comment on the personality of techyna, and the unr and the january uprising, for example, how, how is it presented? well, actually, uh, there are several points here, to which, unfortunately, all the criticism that was directed there, to me, to my analysis, to my remarks, it sounded as if some teacher demanded that the actual... we

correctly read, as we should read, that not always the cop-project must necessarily adhere to some accuracy, at least not... always the viewer who will watch such musical material, he wants to know the details of the details and be sure that they are exactly such, er, unfortunately, er , there is actually a greater demand for pop projects, especially if they are also focused on a youth audience somewhere, or on people who are not too familiar with certain material, er, because we.. . we are dealing here with soft power, i.e. we are dealing here with soft power, which by the means of music, by the means of dramatic , dramatic art, suggests something to us in a certain way, that is, makes us a certain emotional

image, an emotional attachment to this or that material, and if, say, certain words are used in this context, those and not others, then we... will have a corresponding impression from this text, which will be fixed emotionally for a long time, as it does, say, advertising, if in this context the penis is pale and pitiful, well , it is clear that it will look exactly, it will be remembered because , who will watch this one the project without critical instruction, without checking it somewhere in some other sources, this person will perceive. the penis is just so pale, pitiful, and if there are theses about the penis, they are very strong, by the way, the statements that the blood is on his hands, that, accordingly, he is a quilter, that he is responsible for what through him many

people died, he betrayed someone, that is, these are very strong images, which in this situation should be approached very carefully... because creating a negative impression about a person is not having reinforced it, it is very easy, then to whiten the stamen, it will be much more difficult for us , and let's say, it is projected on the whole other culture, because the reader who will remember the game is precisely the one who sought to become the minister of culture at any cost, allegedly , as it looks from this, from this project, in fact, he will not buy a book of an anthology of poetry, it is called from the penis to the desired one, because he will understand that the penis is clearly not the one he is interested in. the same things and the same inaccuracies appear in the text and in relation to historical circumstances, you understand when in fact, to take on the material that is called

, which is about the shot revival, and this material is aimed at wide circles, the important point is to say then, at least ... to hint at who shot this revival, in this project, unfortunately, at this moment there is not even a hint about who is to blame for the shot revival, i.e. a person who finds himself in front of this material, he receives information there that a civil war is going on, eh, i.e. ukrainians on one side are killing ukrainians on the other side, wave like we then understand, from one the composition fights with nationalists, it kills nationalism, accordingly whoever will watch it, i understand that he can then dig deeper and start to find out for himself, but in fact this inaccuracy of the nuances and the material that i will give, which is already

there yes, it didn't have to appear there, that is , you have to be very, very careful about this, especially in the situation of material that arises during the war. because it is very easy to create a false impression, especially by such means, and accordingly, when i analyzed many points there, i understand that many people who do not orient themselves in the material and want ease in everything, eh, i have come across these comments that it is so stifling, which is imposed on us for some reason, and we just want to listen to the music and remember, yes, galya, i'm sorry , i will beat you, actually. there is an opinion that this heteromantic is actually a product for teenagers, and that when academic scientists or intellectuals begin to analyze this product in full seriousness, it is the same as if we were comparing a magazine adviser with a critic's publication, which

they say does not need to be taken so seriously with such with a magnifying glass to approach the actual to this to this rapper. on the contrary, if it is a material for children or teenagers, it should be approached with much more attention, actually have a much more attentive approach to it, because it does not mean... children's or teenage material does not mean that it is made simpler and more primitive, it means that it is made more thoughtfully , and actually pay much more attention to details, the way psychologists actually proofread children's books before they appear, this is a normal approach and a normal practice, but simply to decide that we let's do it with a lot less effort, because we're targeting a teenage audience , that's... a misconception, because from this teenage, this teenage audience will take

exactly what is said in this, in this musical, let's call it that, even though it not quite a musical, she'll take it much more directly and in many cases she won't check unless she has someone else to direct her, to explain the difficult points to her, actually my job... and more than 20 years of young people, with students and teenagers, she proves that in reality it will be just a false impression, because nowhere, i’m sorry, i’m sorry, i understand correctly that you have, you have reservations about this phrase, this rain is for a long time, and what is actually called the war of the ukrainian people’s republic against bolshevik russia , and... there is no clear definition, and it is simply called this rain for a long time. did i

understand correctly that it is precisely such wordings that you consider vague? yes, because there is no talk about the fact that there is a war between the ukrainian people's republic and soviet russia, that is, there is not mentions of the second participant in this conflict, it is mentioned in the most veiled way about some kind of ethnic cleansing, which... in fact, into which this rain goes, that it is not about purity, but about ethnic cleansing, but nowhere is it said who these clean people are, who they are against directed, as well as nowhere, let's say, when the story about the waveman and this tragedy of the waveman was chosen, for some reason , exactly this line of the waveman was chosen for the final scene about the fact that he was a communist, what he actually was, who he... fought with with the nationalists, and it ends with the death of the waveman, and let's say

a person who is not too familiar , who is building his identity now, and now there are quite a lot of such people, who wants to understand, it will be very difficult for him to understand what happened, and for me such moments as, for example, also mentioning that the ukrainian people's republic suppresses the uprising at the arsenal plant, that is, how should this phrase be perceived? the january bolshevik uprising, which we all know, we can actually name who started the uprising, but it turns out that we are only dealing with the ukrainian people's republic, which is aggressively suppressing some kind of uprising, that is, such there are a lot of omissions, omissions in this text, of course, there are a lot of people who praised it, i understand that they did not always listen to all the details and all the details, but... it hurts when i see all these reviews under the video, who say, i listened 10

times, i make all my students re-listen to this material, that is, in fact, this is a variant of some such extreme admiration, uncritical attitude towards this material, it conditions, it scares, because after this material, if you do not approach it critically, we will have a not quite correct one. perception, if, let's say, i, fighting russian narratives abroad, understand why they arose there, then when i come across similar things in a ukrainian project made during the war, it scares me. galyu, you said about the teacher, but i can't help picking up the topic, if possible, stay in touch with us for just a few minutes, i 'll ask lyuba yakymovych first, and then the same question. i am addressing you, actor yevhenii yanovych, who is part of this project, he

participated in the project and romance, he, here i am i read that he worked for kvn, the kpi national team, and on the basis of this kpi national team, the studio was founded, my mother laughed, right? and here he, as a project participant, writes that you and i, critics of t-romance, we are not critics, we are, by the way. let's talk about the big pluses of this project, they are naphthalene academic watchmen and dinosaurs, whose criticism, i am quoting, does not reach a wide audience and... we look with you post-chronically against the background of real work, what do you say about this, i am very interested , well, you can kindle the mess as much as you want, and the father, for example, the main author, the author of the texts, sashka khomenko, also oleksandr, came to me in the comments in order to call me names and

mix me with dirt, then he deleted his comment, good people took a screenshot and... apologized, wrote such an enthusiastic comment, you look, what is this, well, that is, on the one hand, it is a way to defend yourself, aggression is always a way to defend yourself, that is, or attack instead of defense, but on the other hand, such a defiant attitude towards the community, which really understands this situation professionally, and they do not thanked what they had to do, they had to say: thank you for your... attention , we will take them into account, for example, in the next projects, we will involve a scientist, this is an adult approach, the approach that we see here, this approach is really adolescent, but for a reason, they say a lot about teenagers, this is a teenage approach of immature people, even if they are mature in age, who

perceive, react in this way, but teenagers, i 'm sorry, they have hormonal changes. it is difficult for them to control their emotions, they develop a cortex, a neocortex, and this, and these people are already mature, in which have already formed, in particular, yanovych 's neocortex, i have, i'm sure of it, he looks like a healthy person, and this is a very immature approach, in my opinion, well, but they will tell you what to do better, look, in there are hundreds of us. viewings, we have platforms , we have a product that we made, and you are navtalin’s teachers, come and teach us how to live, and here, by the way, i want to forward this question to galina kruk, galya, i will ask you about actual naphthalene uchels, but

i will complicate the question a little more, with a quote from oksana forostyna, to a writer who says that... neophytes of the scene with their money and status ended up in this place because those who did not fit into the moscow-centric model were not allowed there, and not only because of the language, but also aesthetically, and now it is the second day after their conversion , they behave with the usual aplomb, as if nothing had happened, ignoring those who prepared the ground for 30 years so that they could see now, not even all of them remained alive, not to mention in the profession of these people who... prepared the ground, or in your opinion, gal, this is not evidence of a deeper split, here actually in society , yes, among their own, yes, because it is all their own, yes, conditionally, their own, and which testifies to the fact that there is no communication between those who converted recently and those who were immersed in ukrainian culture for a long time, doesn't this tell you

about this split yet? er, yes, this is a sign of a much deeper problem, to which we have actually now reached and about which the latest scandals and the latest discussions in the ukrainian environment testify, indeed, people who have worked in the field of ukrainian culture for a very long time, before actually this project was a whole a number of projects that excellently presented and worked with ukrainian literature of the renaissance or later times e. in fact , none of these, none of these projects had such a wide audience, such opportunities to reach a mass audience, as this project received. here you can analyze why this happened, but it did not happen by itself, er, this is a topic for a separate conversation, and let's say, when in this situation people receive an

informational resource, and start. to displace, at least from the field of ukrainian culture, those who have worked there for a long time, by devaluation, by way of humiliation, then in fact the problem is that communication alone will not work, that is, you need to develop clear rules on how to deal with this, and the worst thing that upset me the most in this situation was actually the people who created a very... good advertisement for this project , that is, if in fact, this, by the way, is a very big, very big problem, a question, if you do not have the opportunity to see such an important project in its entirety, and you. just listen to it a little for about 5 minutes and come to the conclusion that it actually is a very useful, high-quality and generally brilliant project, then we condemn ourselves to

the fact that in some time we will all be pushed out of this field, because we are dealing with much more aggressive cultural actants, with people who are used to working in a completely different segment, and i'm not just speaking here as a person, as a... peg and as a person who 's a writer myself, i'm speaking here as someone who did 20 years ago, defended a thesis on the topic of mass culture, so i know how the mechanisms work of this mass culture, i know which ones are actually for it, which ones are related to it requirements, and what i advise, respectively, in this situation, it is based on some, on some certain intellectual level, and therefore, when they try to just... simply throw me out of this process, it is natural that i interpret it as aggression in side, and the aggression, unfortunately, is not directed at me

personally, at the segment of culture that we represent, and let's say, here i would like to draw attention to the fact that people who worked for a long time in ukrainian culture, but who worked and intended to work with mass culture, they sometimes failed. this new one let's say a very active nurt that appears, it seems to them that they can just step there with one foot, and everything will happen at once, all the fireworks, and everything will open up, all at once, this shot revival can suddenly be taken with any hands and created it's a comedy, unfortunately , it's shot, that is, it's a very bloody material, and it's clear that we can throw out all the bloody... moments from it, but that doesn't make it a comedy, that is, for me, this moment is very important, to realize that we

have to work a lot with certain material carefully, and we have to be careful about what we uncritically accept and advertise to a much wider range of people, because it depends on it control your words, as shakespeare said, because it depends on your future, in this situation in... us in the situation of the war , our future very much depends on this, whether we will name the culprit in the war of the ukrainian people's republic and soviet russia, whether we will say that it is a civil war, or whether we will consider that the waveman died because he was a loyal communist, and something here it didn't work out, or we let's say that the waveman died, because that was his price for his approach and his... illusions about communist ideology, and actually it surprises me, because the same material can be presented much better, you can present it through the prism of even the same

waveman, through the prism of the slogan get away from moscow, you can present it through the prism of the slogan, which existed in the literary discussion for 25-28 years, give europe, that is, these are the theses that would be much more relevant for us now, but in order to... to do it qualitatively, you need to be aware of this material, and not read about there are only some short excerpts at the level of general facebook. that is, in fact, i 'm just sorry that so many efforts and talented people did not read what constitutes the essence of this project, the words on which or on which our future depends. i understand that it can be boring to talk about such things. or about different moments, but in fact behind any light material there is always what this material brings to us and what it,

shall we say, awakens in us, and here i would, in addition to this joyful perception that it is genius, i would thought about what from it will remain in the dry residue. galya, thank you very much, halyna kruk, poetess of literature. navytsia , teacher of literature at the lviv university, franka, was in touch with us, and i will ask you about the split between new converts to ukraine and those who were already in ukraine, whether it is possible to communicate this in some way, how to deal with it, because one way or another, we all have to come to an understanding, but it is worth mentioning here that this is not the first wave of conversion to ukrainian. yes, we previously had other waves, both during the language maidan and during the orange day revolution, and during the euro maidan or the revolution of dignity, that is... and i know that

sashko khomenko, he says that he studied at a russian school, i also studied at a russian-language school, i studied at a russian school , also in kyiv, here, i grew up in the luhansk region in a society where ukrainian was spoken only by pensioners, when they retired, my grandmother suddenly started speaking ukrainian, a local dialect, yes, which for some reason many people call surzhyk, but it is not surzhik, there is a big difference, but well... does this justify anyone? as i do not know, that is, many of us, even those who have long been there in ukraine , came there deliberately and came, having changed the language from russian to ukrainian, a lot, we can count on the hands and feet of our contemporary writers of my generation and younger , who did it, but you need to understand that when you come to a new, well, to

some space for you, you need to... understand what is here, what planets are there, what are the rules of the game here, what are the physical laws here, as well and in the literature it is necessary to understand, in general, what was done here, and judging by their interviews, they don't understand what was done here, they know the foxtrots of zhiden and gorge, they don't know, well, they don't understand , they tell us to do it yourself, they don't know , every year, so foxtrots are a project of 2021 , right. which was made as part of the exhibition in the artistic arsenal of the photo novel, and it is a project of yuri gurzha, serhiy zhadan, lyuba yakymchuk, and it was all supervised by the beautiful oksana shchur, and actually this too, actually this is a musical, musical and literary project, where what, where voices are heard writers, living voices

writers who could be found at that time. yes, where there is great, great animated clips, where there is great music and where there is great reading of poetry, let's listen to an excerpt from foxtrots, and this is also about mykhailo semenko, please let the blood out, take away all the prana, wrestle from my chest embarrassing beethoven all night until morning, take, take my breath, energy in the inhabitant to the new world. i was so bored today, as if oles, voronyi and choprinka had gathered together, it felt rainy and autumnal, i had a hairdresser playing a guitar in my soul all day

rambled, sometimes thought about... her and made sketches of a letter that i didn't think i'd send to her, remembered a few forgotten french phrases, looked twice at the image of christ, hummed banal waltzes silently, looking at the ceiling in a dirty cobweb, no, i was only longing, only longing, in my heart was decaying. hey hey hey hey hey hey salam here look people who focus on views will tell you foxtrot views are 20-10k over there and you romance in a week. something

250,000 views on youtube how do you explain that what is your answer well, this is a different segment of culture, first of all, secondly, such well-known stars as zhenya yanovych, who has his own youtube channel and some romances, that’s what i mean, and who had podcast therapy with the sensational spartak on saturday, and... who legitimized him in principle with his participation, of course there is a desire, which is the same in this project, here, but the main thing is that their product is a product of mass culture, i.e. they also tried to make our product lighter popular, and serhiy wanted it, here, but still, it is more to the point of nothingness.