the rules of ballistics have blossomed like a dumb god, they are still waiting for you, they are still begging , they are looking through the news lines and gouging out their eyes with the circles of these enraged ukrainians, and nothing can be seen through the tears, and the cracked axle is white, now the sky is sobbing rhythmically, wax is flowing from the candles, already ... for everything, the angels of dembel are forgiven before god, sleep peacefully, boys, this is your land forever, this is how ada rogotseva read a poem by dmytro lazutkin, laureate of the shevchenko prize, who once wrote about completely different poems and never thought that will be... the brother of the shevchenko prize, but

for sure, for sure i thought that this morning he would not be allowed to sleep with the press and would invite her to the studio, dmytro, congratulations, my congratulations, dmytro, first of all, congratulations on the shevchenko prize, we lived for quite a long time in a distorted reality, when the shevchenko prize was given such subjects of hers, who wanted her to simply not be there, and for the last few years, everything is completely different. it looks like when i look that jamala has the shevchenko prize, that andriy yermolenko has the shevchenko prize, that dmytro lazutkin has the shevchenko prize, then i say finally, these are the shevchenko days , that’s exactly why i congratulate you, but what has changed there, just other people have come, does the shevchenko award finally correspond to its essence, well, the committee has really changed, now it is headed by yevhen nyschuk and, accordingly, the kulish minister of culture and now it's a different team, well, to what extent.

i understand, again, i am not part of the process, for sure, but it is clear that at the award ceremony at least i had the opportunity to talk with the members of the committee, maybe for the first time in history in general, now that's all and the ceremony and those people who were awarded, celebrated, all this is contained in one concept, the concepts are quite clear, the concepts are clear to a country that is in a state of war, that is struggling in difficult times. and which does not seem, and this is very important, that is , we see some integrity, at least, and those people who are called to the scene, so to receive this award, those people who work in art now, they are really on the cutting edge, they are really relevant, they have their audience, and this and that is very cool, that is , absolutely no shame for any of those people, with which we were awarded this year, for me it is a pleasant surprise, but a very important event. well, we

have a lot of poets, but since this shevchenko prize falls on shevchenko days, it’s just that everyone has such a flash mob, everyone quotes shevchenko and you sit and think, yes, how much time has passed, and these lines remain relevant, we have poets a lot, we have tons of poetry that remain in the history of ukrainian literature, how can you become a poet so that your poems will last through the ages? relevant, well , let's see, there is no such thing yet recipe, time will tell, i think that this poem, about which we quoted in the performance of ada rogovtseva, is not the kind of transcendental poem that will pass through the centuries? well, maybe, maybe, the text is not easy, the text, well, it's really difficult to understand and and and, but it was actually written there in about 15-20 minutes, that is, it was almost instantaneous. such

painstaking work on the word, you know, well, there was inspiration, there was, there was an understanding of how and what to talk about, and this is important for the author to feel how and what to talk about, this text was written even during the so-called anti-terrorist operation, yes, that is , during that phase of the war, now, for example, i choose a different way of speaking for myself, that is, i was now looking for a way to talk about what i see directly , and most... of the poetic texts that appear now, these are some kind of lyrical, dramatic, but rather tough stories that are described simply, well, actually from the first mouth, and now the thing is that i am so in the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine, it is clear that i have access to direct contact with people who are defending ukraine on the front lines, and i myself, actually speaking, am in such a direction, which for several months already... is called the hottest,

of course, it leaves its mark, of course, you lose someone from those almost every day who do you know, who do you love, who are you simply used to, so... in that life, what, what, we have, and this is also a terrible reality, today i went to your place on the air, in the morning they saw farewell to the boys, who were already returning home on the shield, again tears just appear in the eyes, but we we understand that everyone should be aware of the price of this independence and this struggle, which is currently ongoing, we actually also heard such completely modern military terminology in this poetry. yes, about everything that is happening, and since it is constantly from tv screens, from all public places, telegram channels and so on, it is familiar, that is, we understand these words very well, is there now a demand in society for an even greater amount of such poetry, such prose, about

what is happening exactly on the front line, what is taking place in the front-line zone, how do you see it, or do you meet with... an increased demand for such literature? it is very difficult to talk about a request in society, because society is not some monolith, it is individual people, each person has his own emotions, his own emotional state, in the end. being in donetsk region for half a year without leaving there, it is clear that i have my own optics and i cannot orient myself to the society there, to those people who are in kyiv, lviv, well, i just don't always feel it, but i understand those people who... next to me, and accordingly you focus on them and on yourself, first of all, after all, when you are honest with yourself, then, accordingly , creativity comes out honest, is there a demand for this in society, is there some kind of commercial effect , media effect, life will surely show this, because to focus on

the public in such conditions and engage in some kind of populism is definitely not my story, well , actually, to create poetry during the war and, in principle, music as well. i realized that i don't know about rockers, i saw that god, our departed serhiy proskurny, is with us in the oratory genius, but it was a song for a requiem poem, the rockers have already taken some song, or the cossack band sings several songs to my texts, a few more teams, taruta, the band also sings from new ones, actually from this collection, so partly from this book as well with a cossackist we have. well, it is a long-standing friendship, and ivan linno and i recently met at a gas station, we also crossed paths in donetsk region near pokrovsk, we talked, he was bringing aid to the military in the 59th brigade, in other brigades that are nearby, that is, there is some kind of contact, and it's good that people think strategically in

one direction, and it's good that through the war , you understand that, in fact, you were friends with those people with whom you were destined to be. fate did not lead you by accident, we cross paths with many people, the rapper yarmak serves there, he is also nearby now, we saw him, there are also many people who were, let’s say, tangential to my life, in a peaceful life, why i i'm talking about this because i have dmytro, ivan lyno and kolotaksystem as friends, i'm so curious when at the same time, they appear in different photos precisely from the front-line territories, both in one and in the other. i think so, oh, i already saw it, i wanted to mention one more interesting story, it was uh , in the framework of the festival, you are my only one, north-donetsk, huh, do you remember, yes, that is, there was a performance of the red route, so they went for

the record, and so was the record, it seems, so was the record, that is, the most massive performance of the red route by volodymyr ivasyuk, by the way, who recently turned 75, and this is the same one. did, this is where the videos are being shot now about all kinds of zhduns, the audiobook is now just the next series, and where something will inevitably climb out of the ruins and say, oh, thank you for freeing us, and my actual question is that why did all this not work in the ukrainian donbass, despite the fact that they held massive...embroidery festivals there, and showed their tenacity of ukrainianness, even through the famine and everything else, why, why is it so bad there, i wouldn't say that it didn't work, in fact, being in donetsk region, a long time, you communicate with ordinary people and cross paths our side is very, yes, there are a lot of

pro-ukrainian people on our side, a lot of people who frankly do not want and are afraid and do not understand and do not seek any kind of russian peace. although there is one clear thing, those zhduns that you mentioned, because someone is surrendering positions, for some reason, s300 rockets are flying over some headquarters , for example, or some other cabs are flying there, right, that is, you know. some information is taken, and sometimes in those territories, where you can't just fly there with a drone, they can't help but know that there is something there, we remember thunderstorms , yes here, well, there is quite a lot of this in donetsk region, ugh, unfortunately, but i would still return to the high to the art, the question is certainly debatable and probably every person can have one today the answer is the opposite, and tomorrow it will be different, how right , maybe not right, how expedient, how... in general, how is it, when such a large number of artistic people, when such a large number of scientists, specialists, quite

narrow, often also specialties are on on the front, on the one hand, if we are talking about literature, about art, then we also see huge changes, a huge breakthrough in these fields, so we see beautiful poetry, we see paintings that would not exist if it were not for these realities and if not... the author’s participation in hostilities, in fact, and on the other hand, how many of us, as a people, as a society, and we lose such people, actually, well, i think that this is actually, on the one hand, a huge disaster, because i will say frankly, well, until recently i served in the 47th brigade, and there such golden boys sometimes had to be lost wounded or dead, people there have several languages, they know a higher education there or several. higher educations , oriented in the cultural space, they went as volunteers, they are intellectually developed,

you understand that there really are such and such people, well , there are simply many, many in our army, well , it is clear that the army is the growth of the whole society, there are completely different people, but i really met a lot of such like-minded situational, even meeting, in different positions, and this it is very, very unfortunate, on the other hand, it still shows, i think, that we are a... nation, that we are a nation and that we are a conscious nation, maybe it sounds a little pathetic, but these are really people who understand everything, everything feel and feel their own responsibility , personal responsibility is about an adult after all, i just didn't want to diminish the value with this question, that is, the value of every person's life is the same, that is, every person is equally important, every ukrainian is equally important, but are these people , actually, artists and scientists are like that how are they effective at the front? could be in other areas, actually also for victory? well, we had a company commander oleg santsov, for example, i

believe that, well, according to the reviews, he was quite effective, for example, there was a commander, for example, and we can say about many of them, there is rufer mustang, dj and polish, well, that is, these people all worked for victory and were involved all the time, there is another such - the ethical side of it all, for example, the apolsky plays sets and gives a concert. after returning from the army, yes, but very much often at any such events, musical, poetic, and in general any public events, someone will always come, how can you now do something from the stage, when there are battles on the front, and sometimes there is nothing to answer, because it can often be approached by a person who has lost someone close to them, and this speaks, and you don’t want to hurt her, and you stand and... and beaten, there is nothing to answer, and what would dmytro lazutkin answer when he was like that happened? well, here there

must be a question of taste and a certain delicacy, too to approach this, well, it is so creative , and balanced, at the same time, there is another side, for example, that is, a cultural landing party travels with concerts, they perform in front of the military, sometimes even one of the military personnel says, why, that we would just rest better, but musicians come . artists, they listen to ukrainian bandura, and suddenly you realize that people are changing, and, for example, there are even statistics that show that what is needed, that for small groups there are 5, 7, 10 people, there, so that you can be quiet somewhere to get together on a stretcher, this later motivates, in the same way, i think that there are concerts and events that motivate various donations, including supporting the army, because now, well, hardly any event takes place without some kind of... beneficial component, that's it it's important, it's important, because these are cars, these are means of rap, these are

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sponsor of the national team represents united by football together stronger our defender, poet and laureate of the shevchenko prize dmytro lazutkin with us, this is for those who have just joined espresso, dmytro, well, probably still about the war, but so first philosophically, well , everything will never happen again in life... we will not be as it was before, that is, everything, it was the war that divided everything changed, there are a huge number of people who simply think that tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, it will all be over and everything will return to the status quo , such a mode will eventually be like before the war, but first of all, it is probably the defenders who understand that it will never be like this again will be, and how it will be, well, in any case, the future

depends on us, that is, it will be the way we ... we want to see it and the way we will make it, i think, only the way it will be, well this this is a global question, surely we all want to live in normal european country, and we will always be , we have never wanted to live in a normal european country, but have always chosen unknown what, what hindered us, ukrainians in this sense, in my opinion, well, again, this is such a nation that is prone to infantile decisions , as for me... i am often very driven by emotions, again, i do not want to make any political assessments and obviously will not make them, but we understand that the world will really change and the demographic composition of the country will change, yes, that is, even to say, if it will be about mathematics and economics the situation is completely different, but if we

survived the most difficult period, for sure, at least in our recent history, then yes... i also survived before, is it the 22nd, do you still think it is the 23rd? i think that the 22nd , psychologically, the 22nd was, it seems to me, a poem, yes, but now many people are saying that the russians are actually too, well, of course we are sure of our victory, but there are also experts and voices from the west about the fact that the russians have been active there for a year or two and can break through quite far, did you mention the infantility of our nation or what we have? for example, there were no such super powerful defense lines during the eight years of the war before the full-scale invasion, and only now have we begun to actively work on it, eh , what we are doing... will help now, let's make up for it, could it be otherwise, you have mean, are these lines of defense actually lines of defense, or is that for a tick? eh, yes, is

what is happening now, are we making up for it qualitatively, or just for the tick? well, i, i, from the beginning, will make a little correction and clarity regarding infantilism, i am without negative accent said, in a certain sense this is good, it is the other side of that romanticism that is present. about the fact that they hoped that it would not come to this, that there would be no need for changes, they hoped, but always people usually believe in something good, but the military has to calculate the worst option, and yes for yes, this is actually how it is done, that is, if we speak about the lines of defense, well , i personally saw how they were being built, how several lines of defense were being built, a few months ago this process, i don't know if it was launched or continued, but it was in motion, that is to say that there... nothing is gone, well , this is not entirely true, it seems to me a little treason and, in addition, launched inspired partly by the russian

federation, as well as certain forecasts that are thrown at us now from the western press , that is, we are quoted by some respectable american publications, and it is said that their analysts and experts said something, this is also part of the great information war, and the fact that the russians have money for... in order to wage this war in including making throwaways from the american british press, well, it's not worth it there is no need to doubt this, you should not live under illusions, absolutely, recently colonel chernyk simply analyzed fakes word for word through the new york times and the washington post, how they are cast and how they influence, but now i am talking a little about the other side, even we started these from the line of defense , as desired there through his group... on the border of the european union in a villa in

spain, where is it? and well, i think that our menerheim line is still something that is much, much more east than the dnipro, i am convinced that first of all... a larger number, a large number, it is a significant percentage, the predominant percentage of ukrainian-centric, ukrainian-oriented people , it provides that territory that will remain unoccupied in any case, and again, here a lot depends on informational influence, and on culture , including, well, there are now occupied putin's elections are being played, that is, and there are territories that have been around for more than 10 years, well, for the 11th year. there they reflash cities, they reflash cities, they work constantly with people, especially with young people, with children, this is this is this is a big

problem, it's a big disaster, well, we don't we can influence it at the moment, until these territories are liberated, we will not be able to influence it on a large scale, well, somewhat pointwise, situationally, but it is very difficult to influence large layers, when a person is completely under this vault, so to speak speak. of russian propaganda and the russian educational system, unfortunately, avdiyivka became a disaster for, in principle, in the minds of many people, there was a lot of talk about avdiyivka, and if we read the summaries of military correspondents, i am now reading bohdan myroshnikov, and if you look at the avdiyiv direction, the situation is difficult, there they are trying to advance, there we manage to hold on, but everywhere it is said that it is difficult, that even a little progress is being made somewhere. in the bahamian direction, we understand that it is 100-200 m, as if small distances , is the situation that exists now, is it quite normal

for this stage of the war, or is it the russian advances after avdiyvka, this is a sign of what may happen next worse, it was already clear in mid-october that the situation would be prolonged time complicated, controlled, but still... let's say this, with a certain dynamic, these advances, well, 100-200 m, we understand, this is a forest strip, this is some sort of landing, so there were battles, and appropriate, appropriate maneuvers were carried out, well and we see that during the capture of avdiyka, they tried little by little with huge losses, but to advance precisely from the southern and northern flanks near the villages of stpv and berdyche, where thousands of russians are still lying in the fields, there is a graveyard of destroyed russian vehicles, that is, they suffer a loss, to say what they have an infinite resource, yes, a huge resource, but not infinite, including

their losses in manpower. huge, another thing that i already mentioned is that we often lose really such people, golden, that tears do not come to the eyes, that it is very difficult to go through all this, but at the same time, the defense, in my opinion, again, if we talk about the ratio of losses , well, it is effective, and how do you have to leave everything and and and somewhere behind concrete somewhere... on the west along the same dnieper, well, well, it’s not an option, it’s not an option, you can’t give up people who believe in ukraine, who want to be ukrainians and live under the blue-yellow flag, we hold literally several minutes to a minute of national silence, it is simply impossible to watch all these videos, as for our returning veterans, sometimes from injuries, with everything, how they are running after them with axes, and this is called videos of the tsk and a meeting with citizens, and we... and all

this is against the background of a failed, publicized, scandalous mobilization, although they worked in our country, that's all had to be introduced corrections, made it a fool, and now there is this slight feeling that grows, the deeper into the rear, the ruder the partisans, and as they joke, the further into the rear, the more these cringeworthy and scandalous stories, something else can be changed, are we going to repeat the ukrainian people's republic again, where the question of mobilization just... stealthily put an end to it, and the muscovites came here together with lenin, well , while there is time and there is an opportunity, well, we must take advantage of the chance, we must do so that after all people, some part of people began to perceive differently, that is, it is also about communication, and about motivation, still prove to people that life does not end if you join the army, that for some it may even be career development, it is

a decent salary, one way or another, it is... normal money people receive in the army, it is decent, well, decent provision, yes , you will be dressed, there will be boiler provision, as they say, there will be some help, there is an opportunity to involve some kind of transport, that is, service in the army is not the end of life, it is just his some next page that can become heroic and great, and motivate, motivate people, one minute, what do you think about the mobilization of convicts, because you said, there are many golden people. and we also lose a lot of golden people, and when in x years we will call such a person, golden, and a former convict, heroes, i am with both hands for the mobilization of convicts, if it is not about such serious crimes, that is, if it is a rapist and a murderer children, it is clear that he has no place, children are the supreme council, there is no mention of such a thing, but if there were any the person has problems with the law and now he can

serve in the army. it can be very effective in the end, due to certain personal qualities, then it is necessary to give such an opportunity, i know that there are teams that will willingly take in people with some minor crimes, we confirm here, even our military veterans everyone also said that they have experience since the 14th year, that in vaidar one, one of the companies is still fighting, condemned absolutely, so we emphasize again that this idea does not apply to some people there. as well as murderers specially for them invented election campaign and then they sit down with their mandate in the verkhovna rada, but that is another story, we want to thank dmitry lazutkin for his service, once again congratulate him on the shevchenko prize and thank him for visiting us in the studio on this day, we have today two victories, we also have an oscar , and the head of the public relations service of the 47th brigade, already in the 47th

brigade, the 59th brigade now. thank you for updating the information, yes, was with us, now the moment of silence is approaching, the time when fr at 9:00 a.m. every day, the whole country honors the memory of those who died because of the russian invaders. let's observe a moment of silence in memory of the ukrainian military and civilian citizens of ukraine who died in the war started by russia.