how far do you think russia will go in this war, or will they wage this war against ukraine just to the last russian in order not to lose this war and in order to prove, well, first of all to the world, that they are ready for a big war, and they were preparing for this, and they have enough resources, well , let's be honest, not enough resources, but for... unfortunately, the psychology of the enemy at this stage is very difficult to predict their actions, because their psychology is just kind of crazy. in fact, all economists and all specialists really come from the idea that 24-25 years are the last years when russia can still stay afloat with that intensity, without outside help from some of its own, i don't know allies there, whom it can attribute there, it is incapable. to wage a long-term war

of attrition, if their resources run out or are exhausted, then on our side, on the contrary , a situation is observed when mechanisms are launched in europe and the united states and in the world in general, where opportunities are being sought to renew production, increase it capacity, to implement certain projects, including in... the country, so i emphasize once again, against this whole background , their situation will worsen, in our country, i still wish, well, i believe that it will improve, and realistically all economists say that the 26th year is precisely the critical year that russia can simply leave, well, not at all ready for further actions, as far as you are concerned. receive

this marathon, it is not incomprehensible that their situation in the economic and internal terms is deteriorating significantly and they may indeed be unprepared for certain social explosions, not some kind of socio-political ones, but specifically social ones, well , we saw what happened if the eggs disappeared somewhere, the chicken ran out somewhere, there were still some moments, so you have to understand that... this will manifest itself in the future in many factors, i agree with some of the conclusions, and really we just have to endure this marathon to the end. you, mr. general, as a professional, how can you explain why europe could not calculate the large scale of the war for which the russian federation was preparing, why. therefore, as a result, it turned out

that the weapons that were being prepared and the forces that were being prepared in europe for a potential confrontation with the russian federation turned out to be not as big, or let's say, not as powerful, as the current time requires, why is europe catching up now, why are they not in the think tanks could have simply calculated such a situation, well, listen, they even pro... listed the situation that ukraine would last more than 3 days, or how many weeks they gave us, that is, the calculations are very serious, and i think that the conclusions were drawn, no one expected that at 21 century, someone will solve the problem in the center of europe with weapons, god forbid even nuclear weapons, but with conventional weapons, that is why this period after... after the collapse of the soviet

union, everyone in europe believed that there are no more monsters, we can democratically agree on everything, if some issues are economic, well, the last ones are russia's attempts to earn money on gas, on those phobias, then everything was attributed to the fact that the market, they are not quite ready yet, they are like that... er, they want to make money by thieving methods, but no one does i thought that their plans were not just far-sighted , but barbaric, that is, not just to take control of the country politically, but to destroy it physically, that is why the situation has probably arisen that over the past 30 years , some countries that have not seen wars, let's start...

since 1945, they relaxed, i can't name another word, although those countries that are close to russia and understood what the russian soviet union is, what russia is, finland itself. which i had in the very reserve and was preparing for possible actions without being tied to russia or not to someone, she was simply preparing, because they understood that the nation is small , it is necessary to survive, and they are there against this background, you know, and prepared the enterprise and stocks and its storage for... people and for some things, that is, they were different countries, and the same situation was with the baltic countries, who understood who they lived next to and understood that it might not end so easily, that is why they tried to join

nato as soon as possible and reach out to the big countries about , that not everything that russia says is true, you need to... it very carefully to take a closer look, so i emphasize once again, the vast majority of countries that have not known war and upheavals for a long time, they were really unprepared, and i don't know, there would be no misfortune , there would be no happiness that led to misfortune, that's why they are now actively working on it , in order to change all this, to improve it, i read the situation that was... in the 14th year in the bundeswehr, where the number of tanks, planes, helicopters and ships that were able to directly take part in this or that military operations, accounted for less than 50%, and

even if we take into account that about 10% of the bundessphere spoke russian, because there was an extremely large number of people from the soviet union. of the union, she tried to get benefits , she served in the army, it made me think such very, very, very scary thoughts, so thank god that it is the way it is, it is good that they raised these issues and are working towards improving their defense capabilities . mr. general, i want to ask you more about the statements of the pope regarding the white flag and negotiations with russia, but... in the context of the existence, the further existence in ukraine, of the branch of the russian orthodox churches, we see how the kremlin skilfully uses and tries to use the church, because on the territory of the russian federation the russian orthodox church has already turned into a subdivision of the kremlin, they openly campaign for the russians

to go and kill ukrainians. the pope is talking about some kind of peace, about the fact that the two sides must sit down at the table for peace negotiations. with the pope, obviously already after our victory there will obviously be a conversation with the ukrainian state, well, accordingly , it is possible that there will be some statement regarding the vatican state, because the pope heads this the state, and what concerns the russian orthodox church, branches of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, why do you think we cannot quickly put an end to the existence of this church, eh... well, frankly, we understand everything and we can do everything, but we need everything after all, to live in the world that exists, whether it is good or bad, that is why it is necessary to go through all these legal, causative and such to the end, to reach

the level when there will be no claims against us and clearly write down in the legislation the legal mechanisms of destruction of this church. you can't choose another word, but write the text of the advertisement is not possible, because unfortunately, it has influence in the world, it has its agency not only in the form of some representative offices of the russian orthodox church in one or another state, but they actively work with other orthodox churches, they work with some e governments, they are actively working in the same vatican, eh there is. active representation in the form of the ambassador of russia in the vatican, is a direct contact from the russian orthodox church, who is in direct contact with the pope, i.e. is very there are many such moments that indicate that the russian orthodox church

is being used for discredit in the world, for example, they ordered a significant lobbying campaign in the united states where they tell about the suppression of true believers and so on and so forth, so we just have to go through all those legal points, i know that the law... the law at the exit, it is imperfect, but it is imperfect in terms of the implementation of our intentions, but it , if it is followed and if we follow the letter of the law, i think the time will come when we will really get rid of this cancerous tumor, which, unfortunately, has given rise to rather huge metastases in our body of ukraine. mr. general, thank you for the conversation, this was viktor yagun, major general of the reserve sbu, deputy chairman

of the sbu in 2014-15. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are now watching us live there. please like this video and vote in our poll. today we ask you about whether the criticism of the pope's words about the negotiations with the russian federation is valid. 08'. 211 381 yes no 0800 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free vote on youtube everything is quite simple yes no or please write your comment under this video further in our contact viktor boberenko political expert expert of the bureau of policy analysis mr. viktor i am you congratulations, thank you for being with us today, good health, i am also very glad to see you, i actually wanted to start our conversation. statements zelensky, which he made after the supreme commander-in-chief's bet today

that ukraine is building 200 km of fortifications in three lanes, prime minister denys shmyhal's report on the pace of construction of new defense lines was heard today, and this is a large-scale construction that it has started, the pace is good, i expect timely completion, he wrote. zelensky in his telegram channel. mr. viktor, you are 30 or 35 km from the russian federation in the city of sumy. are there fortifications in sumy oblast, because we see the intensity with which the russian occupiers attack sumy oblast over the last month or three weeks, that's for sure. are these fortifications there, if not. is it a secret, a military secret? well, of course, it is a military secret

, where they are located, to what depth, whether they are far from the enemy or not, and, well, let's say this, excursions even from journalists along such lines are very conditional or mannerheim lines or whatever you can call the shmyhal line or the line yaermaka, the zelenskyi line, i don't know, the line... oh, but they don’t bother, they don’t bother about what if , i have information from the military themselves, there is information from open sources, well, there is actually common sense, of course, on the one hand , it is necessary to build such fortifications, on the other hand, the territory of the most in the sumy region, it is divided by the siym river, actually on the southern and northern sides. well, and the northern side, we understand that if there is an enemy

to attack, two operational, so to speak, parts, and operational-strategic ones, if they attack in the north of the region, then they are deaf shostka and further along the kiptibachivsk road there , well, in the kyiv region, but there, on the right, seven bridges have been torn down, there their pontoons have been removed and everything, and they have been covered again, they can advance, of course, the way they tried to advance through the akhtyrka ... in the rear of kharkiv, that's where they should build, of course, and this, if it concerns sumy region, but i think that first of all they should build in the east and south, where the main battles are taking place, here, let's say, the front of secondary importance, of low intensity under sums, so, although it is undoubtedly there, people die, cabs fly, iskanders are hitting sums and suburbs there, that is, we are all the time. but it's still not kupyansk, it's not avdiyivka

, it's not ughledar, where they are now advancing and it's not robotic, but it's a little smaller, i hope they're building what we know from open sources that it's very often there like hop, information comes across about a platoon base of 45 million, and you think, yomayo, if there is a third assault unit somewhere near avdiivka at the front, where there are a lot of guys from sumy, you ask, and you? how are we building from shit and sticks, is there any money allocated, where will the kombat knock out there or something else some volunteers bring something there, the forest is there somewhere else that we dig ourselves and everything is the same here. the consolidated reference point is 45 million, it seems , well, what should it be made of, maybe there are golden toilets there, who knows, so there are many questions, especially since such an interesting guy as kyrylo tymoshenko, he is already an adviser to the minister of defense, and everyone can say, vitya, well, it's not the ministry of defense, the manager of construction funds, yes, okay, but

the ministry of defense will take the act of acceptance, that is, whoever will receive it? or regional the military administration there or the ministry of regions, and whoever is building, will accept the balance of the ministry of defense, that's right, and tymoshenko will be drawn here, he will say there, guys, build for 45 million is not enough, build platoons for 100 million, we will accept, we will accept everything on the balance, it's not difficult for us, that is, a person with absolutely no reputation, a person who is connected, connected there, well, that's the phrase. grand larceny and immediately the associative series who is kyrylo tymoshenko, only you knock out, kill in google grand larceny and you will knock out, and here he is there again type in the first roles, it feels like if in the office of the president there is no concept at all of reputation, yes, there is something like that reputation

is a resource and why are you throwing the fox into the henhouse, well, i have no words... after the platoon strongholds received 45 million each, and after kyryla tymoshenko, i think, well, they allocated 31 billion. on the one hand, i understand very clearly that it is not possible to write in the tender conditions what, well, don't publish the tender for now, but conduct the tender so that we can later look, i would really like the security service of ukraine to check everyone, what brand of cement there is, what else, because... if right now they build something with these 31 million, accept something on the balance sheet, report something, take zelensky somewhere, where there will be a potemkin village and everything will be fine , everything will be perfect, but for 2000 km, maybe 10 support points will be ideal, and the rest will be from what, that is

, when zelenskyi brags, i immediately have suspicions, just like the big... construction from the time of his first part of the pre-war presidency, so i would, i am for them gentleman, i don't think so and i would like them to be checked, if we can't do it now, okay, for certain reasons, but it is necessary that either we do it later, or the competent authorities do it now. mr. viktor, volodymyr zelenskyy is still bragging that ukraine will now have a new ambassador of great britain, general. industrious, however, not a general , as i understand it, but a retired general, because there was information that he passed the military medical commission, he was declared unfit, as well as serhiy shaptala, former chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine. but the question is actually not about zaluzhny himself and not about shaptala, because there we are talking about 16 generals

who were dismissed, and therefore the question is probably more about personnel policy in general, because we. are witnesses of how 16 generals who fought since 2014 on the russian-ukrainian front resigned and there is no news, but what about these generals, they too will be sent through the vlk by the same general zabrodskyi, the same general anayev, the hero of ukraine, why in your opinion the office of the president of ukraine does not even try to explain, huh? what, what happened and what happened to these people, actually? because there is nothing to explain, because kuleba declared: oh, how good, what a good, well-considered decision to send zaluzhny as ambassador to britain, and before that to release zaluzhny, it was the right decision, and for some reason we do not hear comments, not only from the office of the president, in general from

the servants of the people, from no one else, their mouths watered, this issue is taboo for them, and they don't want to. conduct with society dialogue, he even dismissed this question on february 25, when he was asked this question by a japanese journalist, he was like, it's none of your business, it's our internal affairs, and volodymyr oleksandrovich millions, millions of people are interested, for what, for what, explanations no, there will be no explanation, but the question will remain, in general, the information policy of the state, they... either keep silent, or reject it, or brag, in general, strategically they speak to society, as with small children, as with teenagers, as the adults there tell about santa claus to the children, and they want to prove something so that the children will believe, so actually

, in the office of the president, they think that you and i are children, and they will now tell us about santa claus, but they will tell about santa claus, that is, he doesn't exist, they talk about him, but they don't talk about sex, although we might be interested, like teenagers, yes, but they don't talk about it, because the topic is taboo, so we actually talk about santa... claus, but about that we are very interested in what is behind their keyhole, no one ever tells us, but it is something like this the analogy is interesting to me, and this is the way to nowhere, because distrust arises from this, yes, let's be honest, you and i know about the elements of political technology, it doesn't matter if some part that resisted, entered into a single marathon, they will to believe, but first, the number of those who believe is decreasing, because they see lies. left and right, when they look, yes, the number of these people is decreasing, which once decreased, you know, when everyone

watches the vremya program, but they only believe the weather forecast, and then there, and then it is not accurate, a newspaper it's true that everyone reads, but between the lines, and everyone is waiting for something on television, or an obituary, or something about ballet, yes, they are waiting for tchaikovsky, but it seems that everything is there. and no one believes, soon the only marathon together with the president's office and with podalyak will play up to this very thing, well, here are these numbers that were made public on the eve of the announcement , the fact that zaluzhny is going to london, the social statistics that zaluzhny wins in the second round in any case, zelensky has 67 there against 33%. eh, or whether it could put the last point in this decision, because it is somehow very it looks strange, because the announcement about zaluzhny's business trip to london, it appeared between two

opinion polls, one opinion poll was about the second round, well , zaluzhny's presidential prospects, and on the other hand , there was information from the city council that who are the leaders of the ukrainian opposition, they didn't call her there in... in this poll, there was no last name of zaluzhno, but people called 3% called the leader of the opposition exactly zaluzhno, instead, the same survey of kmis gave first and second place to petro poroshenko and serhiy prytula, and the appearance of serhiy prytula among the oppositionists, this is also a very big mystery, because i don't know the politician of the opposition politician serhiy prytulo, well, i want to kill him, that is, i passed on all his statements, everything. what he said there over the past few years, well, there is no such oppositionist serhiy prytula, how much do these ratings, how much can these numbers

influence and influence the decisions of zelenskyi's office? i am sure that these numbers are decisive for the construction of domestic politics, and the zaluzhny took off precisely because volodymyr oleksandrovich, who is a textbook narcissist, to him... these socialists and these social polls, as he asks, you know how the world is, my little mirror, tell me the whole truth and report it, i’m all crazy, it’s not you who gives it, and accordingly, here too, they have such a behavioral stereotype that yes, only someone who can leave the stage and somewhere overshadow the sunny one, he has to go somewhere, and therefore the industrious one is sent to london to be away. with the hope that he will be forgotten, i think that podolyak is also telling zelensky that volodymyr oleksandrovich, listen, he will soon be forgotten there, who remembers nadya savchenko there now

or is it the same razumkov, that they have ratings there, they have been flattened , but they are strategically wrong here, why, because if the people have already fallen out of love and been disappointed in zelenskyi, and this is the second time , that’s why that before the war his rating was. started up, now he is going down again, then the third time they will definitely not like him, and that means they will look for anyone, and you see, even this very statement that why do the voters take refuge in the oppositionist, because anyone who is not a zelenskyist, who not zelensky, the one in the opposition to zelenskyi, and shelter, okay, let there be shelter, poroshenko, shelter, there won't be, conditionally, if even a willing person refuses, will say, no, i will definitely not go, there will be a buda. it will be anyone but zelenskyi, and zelenskyi can’t realize this either, that now he would still win, but some time will pass and he won’t, that is, now he will lose

only to... hard-working, but time will pass and he will lose to anyone. and they cannot come to terms with this, that this is all, this, this is the end already but, but look, despite all these stories, despite what is happening in the vlk, the business trip to london, we, we do not really know the position of zaluzhny himself, because he does not articulate in public, he does not say anything, that is , he passes the vlk among ordinary... servicemen of the armed forces of ukraine , the question arises, how could this general be dismissed and he could be disqualified, and they have been there for the third year, and some are in the trenches and cannot get it, well, that is, there are very, very many questions, to what extent all this will affect it, and they will now promote it, this will be used against zaluzhny unequivocally, if you see,

you cannot write off a private, but a general. it is possible, i think that this is part of the agreement, you can explain it simply, as the doctors say, there are no healthy people, i have not been examined, yes, of course, that it is some, maybe there were, well, i would not stand as a candle, maybe there were some agreements , in order for him to go there, well, someone will take a critical view of this, someone with understanding, that's right, but the very fact that , well, for me, the general is worthy... an honest general, why doesn't he tell, he, while he was a soldier, he could not talk about his own ambitions, even if they, well, they are there or not, well, in fact, they will push him now, yes, but if he did not even have them, then now he, he was caught on a hook, which, well, he too, if he will now he is a diplomat, he will not be a diplomat, the ambassador of a country there shames his country by saying that our political leadership here

has played a little, draws... spots on the globe, tries to fight there somewhere else, to lead the military, and that is stupid, that is here decency will play against him, of course, but it will play against all of us, that's why that we are not given an alternative to zelensky , to those who have already had enough of zelensky, we still need someone, and the zaluzhny is a symbol of victory for ukrainians and that already... you can't take it away, no matter what the faraway says, he will be forgotten, but not they will forget, no longer, that is, even his stay in london will not erase from the people's memory general zaluzhnyi and what he did during these two years, of course, of course, and he, well, he will only appear as a politician in politics, he will appear as if on a white horse, thank you, thank you, mr. viktor, for the conversation, it was

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let's talk about russian fascism, the vatican. and also whether russia is ruled by god, stay with espresso. pope francis' words about the white flag and negotiations between russia and ukraine to end the war caused outrage in ukrainian society, but what exactly did he mean by this? we are talking about this today on the air bbc live from london, with you jafer umerov. the words that outraged a significant part of ukrainians were uttered during his interview with the swiss journalist lorenz bucheli. it was recorded back in february, but it was published only now. what exactly did pope francis say? let's listen to an excerpt.