a tolkemenko who broke in, already having , by the way, one book, also in such a symbolic style, who broke into literature and declared that he was burning his kobzar, he made such a revolution in literature and began to write futuristic poetry, i thought that they do something like that, but paying attention to the aesthetic level of these texts, that is, in general, i'm talking about this whole opera, rap opera, that's how they defined it. although there may be a lot of hip-hop, here, and recitative, just some kind of reading, but from this context, ah, well, it doesn’t reach to semenko, because she was a person who had an education, who was educated in poetry, who understood what literary process she entered, and these boys, girls from the wall, they, in my opinion, did not understand what literary process they entered got into when

these are new converts who do not really understand, and what about them in this sense has already happened, what has been created, they know something, and obviously they know our film with taras tomenko, i am the co-screenwriter of two films about the house of the word, about the shot revival of documentary and of the game, and you can obviously see it from the quotes they use there, almost whole scenes from our film, the sounds are like that... they don't introduce it, it's visible, but for example, they themselves talk about it in an interview that they don't know other projects, they don't know the foxtrot project, they don't know, they don't know if there was a comment about this project of the pen and whip of this band on the shot revival too, well, they didn't understand what we were doing here, but before how they appeared, and that's it. this is with poetry,

of course it offends us, but i also understand, oh well that is, it forms an attitude towards poetry that i really don't like, i don't think that a poet could write such a thing about poetry, because poetry is generally something so sacred, even for simenko, something that we protect and idolize so little , not so? we have a lot of readers of poetry, they have a press release, we will show it, and they say something like this, we wrote this album clearly drawing parallels with modernity, we have saussure in the third assault, so this is such an illusion to of the third company, kurbas holds the cultural front, and the fate of the stream resembles fate a person in the occupied territories who still tries to preserve his dignity, even under such circumstances. and look, the last phrase

interested me: and mykhailo semenko instructs the listeners with a cheap provocation, that’s it, it just seems to me that this is some kind of strange evaluative judgment regarding the cheap provocation of semenko, am i wrong, or was it somewhere that was so pretentious, that not cheap, that was already there, that was what semenko was accused of by shevchenko about his such a performance, here, but it was not cheap. provocation, and even now such a provocation by semenko is relevant, because indeed shevchenko was canonized, and it is clear that in ukrainian society, society, and this was the year 1914, the centenary of shevchenko's birthday, it was painful to hear in ukrainian society that shevchenko was imprisoned, this his book was very painfully received. they threw

it away, they did not want to sell his book in some bookstores, it was not sold everywhere, although it was such a pamphlet, well, but these are details, that’s it , but the provocation was not cheap, there was a problem with shevchenko, who, here we are already lost, who consider the act in which we lost a person, and semenko was exactly the one who wanted to return this person, and he confirmed this all his life, he was an editor... an actor of the film taras shevchenko cherdinina, he ran a column about shevchenko in the new generation, he very, he was one of those who contributed a lot to the popularization of shevchenko and to his reinterpretation in a new way, and about which he declared that you then, well, it was not exactly a cheap provocation, but should we expect such projects , there is such an argument that from such projects it is project by project, it is for teenagers project, should we expect... and

approach such a project with such a measure of quality, with some kind of perfectionism, should they be competent or perfect. are these music projects? well, you can talk a lot about it, for example, the comment given by the ukrainian editor oleksandr stukalo, evaluating this project, he said that if we sit there for 10 years over the books, we will have such projects once every 5 years. and lo and behold, they read and did it very quickly for several months, but mine the thesis is completely different, my thesis is that it is possible to make high-quality projects and popular projects, light ones that are easy to enter, to make them of high quality, involving scientists, for example, yarina tsymbal, who was also a consultant for our tarasom film, our script, to give these

to read the texts to a wider circle, at least to our friends, some poets, acquaintances, in order to get feedback and adjust them, if we were to release them. our first script for our documentary and feature film, and i think we should just critics also killed connoisseurs of the shot revival, but we worked for a long time, we gave readings, we attracted a professional audience, including writers, oksana zabushka read our feature film and made comments that we took into account , and here they can tell you what of this project, i understand that serhiy zhidan had a relationship with... i understand that he just read one text, and i am not sure that he read the entire script, knowing serhiy's schedule and knowing him quite, well, quite as friendly, yes it seems to me that the most accurate analysis of the project is theromantic, well

at least from what i saw on the networks, halyna kruko, a poet, and what is important for us, a literature teacher at the franko university of lviv, halyna says that illiterate or unclear formulations, both regarding poets and the work of poets, about their personalities, about historical events, may not help such a potential target audience of teenagers, yes, on the contrary, disorient them. galina kruk, we are in touch, galya, i congratulate you, good evening, thank you for finding the opportunity to join. good evening, we are talking now, but lyuba has already spoken, regarding mykhailo semenko, and the interpretation of mykhailo semenko in the poet, in the teromantika project, you wrote very clear

theses regarding, regarding your remarks, yes, regarding this project, please tell me what worries you about this project... in particular, i ask you to comment on the personality of the unr stream and the january, january uprising, for example, how, how it is presented, well, actually, there are several points here, on which, unfortunately, the whole criticism that was directed there, at my, at my analysis, at my lines, she sounded like a kind of uchi... demands that we actually read correctly, how we should read, that not always a pop project must necessarily adhere to some accuracy, at least not always the audience that will watch a musical such

material, he wants to know the details of the details and be sure that they are exactly like that, unfortunately, to pop'. projects are actually more demanding, especially if they are also focused on a youth audience or on people who are not too familiar with a certain material, because we are dealing here with soft power, that is, we we are dealing here with a soft, with a soft power, which by means of music, means of dramatic, dramatic art, in a certain way su'. something to us, that is, it creates a certain emotional image for us, an emotional attachment to this or that material, and if, say, in this context, certain words are used, those and not others, then we will have a corresponding impression of

this text, which will be fixed emotionally for a long time, as it does, say, advertising, if in this context the penis is pale and stinging. worthy, well, it is clear that he will look exactly, will be remembered by whoever will to look at this project without critical guidance, without checking it somewhere in some others. sources, this person will perceive the current as pale, pitiful, and if there are theses regarding the current, very strong, by the way, statements about the fact that there is blood on his hands, about the fact that, accordingly, he, the quilter, about the fact that he is responsible for the fact that many people died because of him, he betrayed someone, that is, these are very strong images that are in this situation. it is necessary to approach them very carefully, because creating a negative

impression about a person without reinforcing it, very easy, then it will be much more difficult for us to whiten the stamen, and, let's say, it is projected onto the whole other culture, because the reader who will remember the stamen is exactly the one who sought to become the minister of culture at any cost, supposedly, what does it look like from this, from this project, actually. opens the books of the anthology of poetry, which is called from the stamen to the desire, because he will understand that the one who is interesting to him is not there. the same things and the same inaccuracies appear there in the text and in relation to historical circumstances, understand when to actually take on the material that names that is about shot revival and that material is aimed at wide circles. an important point is to say then, at least hint, who shot this revival, in this project,

unfortunately, at this moment exactly who is to blame for the shot revival, there is not even a hint, that is, the person who finds himself in front of this material, he gets there is information that there is a civil war going on, that is, ukrainians on one side are killing ukrainians on the other side. uh, wavy, like us later we understand, from one composition, he fights with nationalists, he kills nationalism, accordingly, the one who will watch it, i understand that he can then dig deeper and start to find out for himself, but in fact this inaccuracy of the nuances and the material that is given , which already appears there, it did not have to appear there, that is, before that, especially in the situation of the material that appears during the eyelashes... you have to be very, very careful, because

it is very easy to create a false impression, especially with such means . and accordingly, when there, i analyzed many points, i understand that many people who do not orient themselves in the material and want ease in everything, i met these comments, that it is so stifling, that for some reason it is imposed on us, and we just want to listen to the music and remember, yes. galyu, i'm sorry, i'm going to interrupt you , in fact, there is such an opinion that ceromancy is actually a product for teenagers, and that when academic scientists or intellectuals begin to analyze this product in full seriousness, it's the same as if we were comparing the magazine adviser with the edition of the critic, who says that it is not necessary to be so serious with this one with a magnifying glass to approach actually to this. to this rapper, on the contrary, if it is material for children or teenagers, you need

to approach it with much more attention, actually , have a much more attentive approach to it, because it does not mean that children's or adolescent material does not mean that it is made simpler and more primitive, it means that done more thoughtfully, and actually much more attentive to details, the way psychologists actually proofread children's books before they ... let's do it, with much less effort, because we're targeting a teenage-child audience, that's a misconception, because from this teenage, this teenage audience will take exactly what's said in this in this musical, let's call it that, even though it's not quite musical, it will be accepted in us much more directly, and in many cases she will not check

if she does not have someone to direct her, who will explain difficult points to her, then in fact i have been working for more than 20 years with young people, with students and with teenagers, she proves that it really is it will simply be a false impression, because there is nowhere, yes galyu, i'm sorry, i understand correctly that you have, you have reservations about this phrase "this rain is for a long time", which is actually called a war. unr against bolshevik russia, yes, and there is no clear definition, and it is simply called this rain for a long time. did i understand correctly that it is precisely such wordings that you consider vague? yes, because there is no talk about the fact that there is a war between the ukrainian people's republic and soviet russia, that is, there is no

mention of the second participant in this conflict, there mentioned as veiled as possible about some. ethnic cleansings, which, in fact, into which this rain goes, that it is not about cleanliness, but about ethnic cleansings, but nowhere is it said who is doing these cleansings, against whom they are directed, as well as nowhere, let's say, when selected, the story about of khvylovy and about this tragedy of khvylovy, then for some reason this very remark of khvylovy was chosen for the final scene about the fact that he was... a communist, what he actually was, with whom he fought, with the nationalists, and it ends with the death of khvylovy. and, let's say, a person who is not too knowledgeable, who is building her identity now, and now there are quite a lot of such people, who wants to understand, it will be very difficult for her to understand what happened, and for me such moments as, for example, also

mentioning that the unr is suppressing the uprising in the arsenal factory, that is... how to perceive this phrase, if you already say the january bolshevik uprising, which we all know, then actually you can name who started the uprising, but it turns out that we are only dealing with the unr, which aggressively suppresses any rebellion, that is, such misunderstandings, there are a lot of omissions in this text , of course there are a lot of people who praised it, i understand that they did not always listen to ... all the details and all the details, but believe me when i see all these reviews under the video that say , i listened 10 times, i make all my students re-listen to this material, that is, in fact, this is a variant of some such extreme admiration, uncritical attitude towards this material,

it conditions, it scares, because after this material, if we do not approach it critically, we ... we will have not quite the right one perception, if, say, i, fighting russian narratives abroad, understand why they arose there, then when i come across similar things in a ukrainian project made during the war, it scares me. galyu, you said about the teacher, but i can't help picking up the topic, if possible, stay in touch with us for just a few minutes, i 'll ask lyuba first, but... yakymovych, and then i'll forward the same question to you, actor yevgeny yanovych, who is part of this project, he participated in the theromantics project, he, i read that it is him worked in kven, the kppi team, and on the basis of this kpi team, mama

khahatala studio was founded, and here he, as a project participant, writes that we are critics. romantics, we are not critics, by the way, we will also say about the big pluses of this project, these are mothballed academic watchmen and dinosaurs, whose criticism, i am quoting, does not reach a wide audience, and we look with you a bit side-by-side against the background of real work, what do you say to this, i am very interested, well, you can kindle the yeast as much as you want, but father, for example, the main author, the author of the texts sashka khomenko, also oleksandr came to me in the comments in order to call me names and mix with dirt, then he deleted his comment, good people made a screenshot and did not apologize, he wrote such an enthusiastic comment, you see what it is, well, that is, on the one hand, it is a way to defend yourself, aggression is

always a way to defend yourself, so either attack instead of defense. but on the other hand, such a defiant attitude towards the community, which really understands this situation professionally, they did not thank what they had to do, they had to say: "thank you for your comments , we will take them into account, for example, in the next projects, we will involve a scientist, this is an adult approach, the approach we see here, this approach is really adolescent, but it is not for nothing that they say so much about teenagers." this is the adolescent approach of immature people, even if they are mature for their age, who perceive, react in this way, but in teenagers, i 'm sorry... they have hormonal changes, they have a hard time controlling their emotions, they develop a cortex, a neocortex, and this, and these are people who are already mature,

who have already formed, in particular, yanovych neocortex, i have, i'm sure of it, he looks like a healthy person, and it's a very immature approach in my opinion, well, but they'll tell you about what to do better, look, we have hundreds of thousands of views, in we have playgrounds, we have a product that we made, and you teachers, mothballs, come and teach us how to live, and here, by the way, i want to forward this question to galina kruk, galya, i will ask you about my own naphthalene lessons, but i will complicate the issue a little more with a quote from oksana forostyna. of a writer who says that these neophytes with their money and status ended up in this place because they did not let those who did not fit into the moscow-centric

model, and not only because of language, but also aesthetic, and now, on the second day after their conversion, behave with the usual aplomb, as if nothing happened, ignoring those who prepared the ground for 30 years so that they can see now, not even all of them are just... alive, let alone in the profession, of these people who prepared the ground, don't you think so , galyu, evidence of a deeper split, this is actually in society, yes, among their own, yes, because it is all their own, yes, conditionally, their own, but which testifies to the fact that there is no communication between those who converted recently and those who were immersed in ukrainian culture for a long time, does this not prove to you what about this split? yes, this is a sign of a much deeper problem, to which we have actually now reached and about which the latest scandals and the latest discussions in

the ukrainian environment testify. indeed, people who have worked in the field of ukrainian culture for a very long time. before this project, there was a whole series of projects that were great presented and worked with ukrainian literature or eras from or later times , in fact, none of these, none of these projects had such a wide audience, such opportunities to reach a mass audience, as this project received, here you can analyze why this happened, but it did not happen by itself, this is a topic for a separate conversations, and let's say when in this situation people get a resource of information. and they begin to displace, at least from the field of ukrainian culture, those who have worked there for a long time, by devaluation,

by humiliation, then in fact the problem lies in the fact that communication alone will not work, that is, you need to develop clear rules on how to deal with it, and the worst thing that upset me the most in this situation was actually the people who created very good advertising for this... project, that is, if in fact , this, this , by the way, is a very big very big problem, the question, if you do not have the opportunity to see such an important project in its entirety, and you only listen to it a little for about 5 minutes and conclude that it is actually very useful, high-quality and generally brilliant project, then we doom ourselves to the fact that in some time we... will all be pushed out of this field, because we are dealing with much more aggressive cultural actants, with people who are used to working in a completely

different segment, and i i speak here not only as a person, as a teacher and as a person who is a writer myself, i speak here as a person who studied 20 years ago, defended a dissertation on the topic of mass culture, that is, i know how the mechanisms of this mass culture work, i know what for this... in fact, which ones are available to her requirements, and what i advise, respectively, in this situation, it is based on some, on some certain intellectual level, and therefore, when they try to simply throw me out of this process, it is natural that i interpret it as aggression in my direction , and the aggression , unfortunately, is not aimed at me personally, but at the segment of culture that we represent. and let's say, here i would like to draw attention to the fact that people who worked in ukrainian culture for a long time, but who

worked and intended to work with... mass culture, are sometimes fascinated by this new, say, a very active newt that appears, they think that they can just step there with one foot, and everything will happen at once, all the fireworks and everything will open, immediately this is a shot revival, suddenly you can take any hands and create with it's a comedy, unfortunately , it's shot, that is, it's a very bloody material, and it's clear that we... we can throw out all the bloody moments from it, but that doesn't make it a comedy, that is, for me , this moment is very important, to realize that we have to work a lot with certain material carefully, and we have to be careful about what we uncritically perceive and advertise to a much wider range of people, because it depends, control your words, as shakespeare said,

because it depends on your... future in this situation we have in the situation of the war, our future very much depends on this, whether we will call the culprit in the war ee unr and soviet ee russia, or we will say that it is a civil war, or we will consider that the waveman died because he was a loyal communist, and something didn't work out here, or us let's say that the waveman died, because it was his... was the price for his approach and his illusions about communist ideology, and actually it surprises me, because the same material can be presented much better, you can present it through the prism of even the same waveman, through the prism of the slogan, get away from moscow, you can present it through the prism of the slogan, which existed in the literary discussion for 25-28 years, you give europe, that is, these are the theses that we without...

were much more relevant now, but in order to do it qualitatively , you need to be aware of this material, and not read about there are only some short excerpts at the level of general facebook. that is, in fact, i 'm just sorry that so many efforts and talented people did not finish reading what constitutes the essence of this project, the words on which or on which our future depends. thank you. i understand that it can be boring to talk about such things, about various moments, but in fact, behind any light material there is always what this material brings us and what it awakens in us, so to speak, and here i would, apart from this joyful perception that it is genius, i would think about what will remain from him in the dry residue. galya,

thank you very much. halyna kruk, poet , literary critic, teacher of literature at the franka university of lviv, was in touch with us, and i will ask you if it is possible to communicate this in some way , how to deal with it, because one way or another we all have to understand each other, but it is worth mentioning here. that this is not the first wave of conversion to ukrainianism, yes, but we had other waves before, and during language maidan, and during the orange revolution, and during the euromaidan or the revolution of dignity, that is, and i also know that sashko khomenko, he says that he studied at a russian school, i also studied at a russian-language school in the luhansk oblast in the russian school, also in kyiv, here , in the luhansk region, i grew up in a society where...

ukrainian was spoken only by pensioners, when they retired, my grandmother suddenly started speaking ukrainian, a local dialect, yes, which for some reason many call surzhyk , but this is not a joke, there is a big difference, but i don't know if i'm justifying someone or not, that is, many of us, even those who have been in ukraine for a long time came there knowingly and came, changing the language from russian to ukrainian, a lot. we can list there on the hands and feet of our modern writers of my generation and younger ones who did it, but you have to understand that when you come to a new, well, to some kind of space for you, you have to understand what planets are here, what are the rules of the game here, what are the physical laws here, in the same way in literature you need to understand, in general, what is here was done, and judging by their interviews, they...