this is especially so, because it is important for russians to show that this is russian crimea. here i want to remind you about the trump factor. we constantly talk about the fact that the arrival of trump is a threat to ukraine because trump can force ukraine to sit down for negotiations with russia, that 's all la-la. but do we have to understand who donald trump is? this is a person who repeatedly expressed himself so casually, not as statements, but simply there... he expressed his worldview, saying, well, listen, well, crimea is there, it is russian, the russians are there, and it must be so that trump and all those who support trump did not have any, there are russians, therefore russians , by the way, recently i have been watching the promotion of videos with crimean, allegedly crimean tatars, who say that they are fighting voluntarily in the russian army against the fascist junta and how do they protect their native russian... crimea, they can now

see that these videos have been filmed, well, it is obvious to any media person that they have been filmed, there is good direction, that it is staged, and it is being promoted, and the face are closed, then we do not know who are the crimean tatars, chechens, who are there in general, maybe this is a resident of the rostov region, but here they are, and there are a lot of such videos, right now , supposedly crimean tatars, who tell how the tuvashists here are going to destroy their native people. russian crimea, that’s about it, that’s all, that’s all a message to trump, and when we talk about the threat to trump, i want to remind you that trump has no problem taking and recognizing russian crimea, but in general he doesn’t care about international law, yes it's like spitting on putin, he can just do it alone, because he wants to, that's why when we say that he he can put a transition on the table, talk on russian terms, no... he can

recognize russian crimea, and for that this whole spectacle is being considered, for that it is being done, therefore we are, of course, in great danger, i believe that ukraine, ukrainian the state should now, again, as it was in the 14th year, when the russians tried to show that crimea is a conflict between ukraine and russia, and crimea has always been russian, ukraine took over, began to support the crimean tatars, their subjectivity, their right to self-determination, and in fact. crimea became the international imagination equal to the crimean tatar indigenous people and its territory of historical residence. right now, ukraine should once again strengthen this narrative regarding crimea and start demonstrating crimea as the territory of indigenous peoples, indigenous peoples of crimean tatar, ukrainian, and kremchak. and about the fact that what russia is doing is... ethnocide,

instead we see that somehow we are playing the wrong game regarding crimea, and we, i will remind you, even have a mezheliz of the crimean tatar people in legal terms, on the state levels marked not enough, and this is a big question for the ukrainian state, which we will definitely raise in our next programs, mrs. larisa, thank you, very clear accents, larisa voloshina, journalist and psychologist joined the joint project of the tv channel. and atr together beraber. thanks to ayder muzhdabaev for his work. thank you, christ. thank you all. see you next saturday. be with us. glory to ukraine. this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko. i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. over the next two hours we are talking about ukraine, the world,

the war and our victory. today in the program. white flag of negotiations. the vatican assures that pope francis did not mean the capitulation of ukraine. why the holy see plays along with the kremlin. dramatic reaction. the white house was developing a response plan to a russian nuclear attack on ukraine. does russia have the resources for a long conventional war? zaluzhnyi's business trip to london, an honorary international mission or the political exile of a competitor. how many generals are still waiting to be dismissed according to the conclusion vlk? over the next hour, we will talk about this and other things with our guests, diplomat-politician volodymyr ogryysk, sbu general viktor yagun, and political expert viktor boberenko. in the second part of our program, which will start in an hour. we talk about russian fascism,

the vatican, shabunin's two criminal cases, and whether god rules russia. however, before starting our conversation, i suggest you take a look. video of how the ukrainian military destroyed an entire enemy column. drone operators of the third brigades of the operational assignment of the national guard named after colonel peter bolbachan, in cooperation with the artillery, stopped the enemy's offensive. several pieces of equipment were destroyed by drones, two more were hit by artillery. let's watch this enchanting video.

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is the criticism of the pope's words about negotiations with the russian federation valid? yes, no , please vote on youtube, vote also on tv, pick up your phone. or smartphone and vote if you think it is valid to criticize the pope 's words about negotiations with the russian federation (0800-211-381), no (0800-211-382). all calls to these numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. we are in touch with our first guest, a diplomat, a politician, foreign minister'. in 2007-9 by volodymyr gryzko. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you. glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. today , march 11, the swedish flag was raised in front of the nato headquarters in brussels. the country became the 32nd

member of the alliance. secretary general stoltenberg stated that ukraine's support remains significant and should continue. let's listen to what he said. president putin started this war, he can end it today, but ukraine cannot because surrender does not mean peace. we have continue to strengthen ukraine and show putin that he will not achieve what he wants on the battlefield, but must sit down at the negotiating table and seek a solution where ukraine is recognized and remains sovereign. mr. volodymyr, in just a few months , the washington nato summit, the anniversary summit, will take place , how likely is it that ukraine can receive an invitation to the north atlantic

alliance and become the 33rd member of nato. well, you know, i think that it should be our national task to make ukraine real. the third member of the alliance without any but, for, against, and so on, that is, all this should finally reach the finish line and become, well, the unalternative direction of both our and nato mainstream, but in this context, you know, you have now quoted, quoted stoltenberg, in my opinion, a very weak statement, these talks about... that putin can end the war, that he , that if he wants to, he will do it even in one day, well, this is either a misunderstanding of what is happening, or an unwillingness to understand it, well, no, under what circumstances putin will not do this, and the question should not be asked about that we should wait until he withdraws his

troops, and we should ask the question that nato is the largest military-political bloc, the strongest military-political bloc that exceeds russia many times over. unless, in addition to nuclear weapons, it is this block that must make putin lose, and here are all the stories about the fact that let's wait, let's think, let's... now let's wait, it's not a strength, it's a weakness of such an alliance, despite this , of course, we need to think about how to go to the washington summit without with an outstretched hand, but with an active position, when we are not asking for something, we have to be offered something, and in the few months that remain before the summit, i think that we have to ... strengthen our work with all partners, but primarily with the americans

and germans, who, unfortunately, continue to be afraid of what princess maria alekseevna will say, that is, the kremlin, and as long as this fear remains, the situation will be uncertain. we must finally demand from our western partners clarity, clarity and speed. otherwise, this process will drag on indefinitely. mr. volodymyr, stoltenberg literally said that capitulation does not mean peace. apparently, stoltenberg's remark referred to the recent statement of pope francis in an interview with the russian channel rci, where he said that ukraine must have the courage to raise the white flag of negotiations and agree on an end to the war. from russia, let's listen to a small fragment of this interview. i believe that those who

see the situation, those who think about the people, those who have the courage to raise the white flag and negotiate are stronger, and today it can be negotiated with the help of international forces. the word negotiation is a bold word. this is an interview and interpretation of what the pope said , and how he from. gave to the journalist , they say that this white flag was sewn into the journalist's question and he only gave an answer to it, but we see that during the last two years the pope does not change his positions, that is, he has two sides that are fighting, that have to sit down he doesn't have a change table the country of the aggressor, he has no appeals to putin to stop the war, why do you think the holy throne... reacts to this war like this, and doesn't history teach pope

francis, what happened in the 1939-1940s , when p-12, one of his predecessors, tried to reconcile hitler with europe or vice versa, europe with hitler? well , you see, mr. sergius, i personally believe that the pope of rome, although he is formally... the head of the vatican state, is first and foremost a moral authority for billions of catholics around the world, and precisely in this is probably his most important function and role, the role of a shepherd for, well, for a huge number of people, that is, it should first of all be a high moral authority. i will tell you frankly, this last statement,

i think, devalued him so much as a moral leader that after that, i think it will be a completely different story for the papal throne and for him personally, because to call for negotiations with the personification of evil means that. to cross all the moral red lines that can only be which can only be imagined. look, if you don't see that you are proposing negotiations with the devil, with lucifer, then it is not clear, well, really, whether this person is at that, at that height of moral virtues, which the church actually talks about

, regardless of whether it is catholic or orthodox or any other, by the way, do not kill - this is the imperative of any world religion, and it is not necessary to respond to it, not to engage in empty calls for peace, but talk about the reasons for this. war, the reasons for the murders, but you know, i find an explanation in the left-handedness of the pope. rimskyi , let's not forget where he is from, argentina, a country where these views are extremely popular, this has actually been going on for more than one decade and more than one argentine government has been of such

a left-leftist orientation, it also adheres to the same... views , so it seems to me that this is not about the vatican as a whole, it is about him personally, well, we will have to live through this pope as well, you mentioned one of his, well, let's say so, shameful predecessors, and i want to mention one of his outstanding predecessors, john paul ii, who was truly a personification. morals, values, reflections, really about christian virtues and the struggle for these virtues, because what is happening now can hardly be called a struggle for principles. in response to the pope's statement about the white flag, president zelenskyi emphasized that russian

killers do not go further in europe only because they are restrained by ukrainian men and women with weapons in their hands and under. blue-yellow flag, let's listen to what the president of ukraine said. when russian evil started this war on february 24, all ukrainians stood up for protection, everyone, christians, muslims, jews, everyone, i thank every ukrainian chaplain, who with the army, in the defense forces, there on the front lines, protect life and humanity, support both with prayer and conversation. and in fact, that's what a church is with people, and not 2,500 km somewhere there to engage in virtual mediation between the one who wants to live and the one who wants to destroy you. mr. volodymyr, but the pope, he already understands that in this situation he is playing along

with the kremlin and playing with the kremlin. well, obviously, but i think he is. he himself did a very bad thing a favor, because look at the international reaction to these words, well, unless something was mucked up in the kremlin, this is not incomprehensible either to them or to the rest of the world, but the civilized world is simply outraged by what the pope said, and i think , that he really devalues ​​himself with such statements, as , well, perhaps... er, some er symbol of er , christian virtues, a symbol of what is called humanity, er, and so on, therefore, i think that, no matter how happy these statements are in moscow, they will not have any

practical significance, ukraine on the white flag he will never... agree, and it is obvious why he plays along with moscow, well, this should probably be said in a different guise, and here it seems to me that it will be more important to dig into the history of these relations, to remember that francis has for some reason loved the fsbsh for a very long time , kgb patriarch. mykhailo's files and so on , that is, i think this is already a topic for journalistic and perhaps not only journalistic investigations, there are probably a lot of interesting facts that have not been made public yet,

but i think that it will have an effect. what a bomb broke up because the current pope is already too insistently and persistently leading the line of moscow, it just doesn't happen that way. mr. volodymyr, literally in a week or two the president of france mamanuel macron should be in ukraine on an official visit. it is not yet confirmed that he will come to kyiv, and this is explained by security issues, but we see that... in the last, last month or two, emmanuel macron is playing a rather important role, and you can say a leadership role in europe, when he gathers in themselves... the leaders of 20 european states and says that it is necessary to do everything in order for putin to be defeated, moreover, he hints that french troops may be

on the territory of ukraine, and it is not for nothing that he says this and it is unlikely that these are some excuses of macron. how do you assess macron's leadership role now, and does this mean that macron. and those with whom he is negotiating are ready to create a new security structure in europe, in case there may be any problems with the north atlantic alliance after trump comes to power in the united states of america? well, actually, sir sergey, i think that it is necessary to start with the conclusion of your question, because it is about the fact that european politicians, including and first of all... the krone, have finally come to the conclusion that in the event of, say, the expected events in washington, but now we cannot

predict anything that will happen there at the beginning of the 25th year, and if we imagine that trump came to power with his absolute, well, non -standard, let's say, delicate and unpredictability. and his statements that russia can do what it wants in europe with those who do not pay 2% of their gdp and so on something else, then you understand that, and especially now, by the way, also when he declared - to orban that he will not give a single penny to oppose ukraine, and this will lead to very serious consequences, then... believe me, well now for every european leader who thinks about the security of his country, the same time is coming, because it means that it is necessary

to urgently think about how to confront russia, which of the european armies today can really fight with russia, well. .. excuse me, i will take the courage to say that no one, and that here in first of all, not because there is no equipment, there is equipment, because the european armies are not ready for this either morally, psychologically, or organizationally, they are disorganized, they very often do not have the necessary amount of what is needed, er , they can't er... lead some kind of one line, because it's not written in the relevant standards, well, i'll just give you one example, when today it's about

creating a so-called tank visa, so that conventional tanks with germany could get to lithuania, or latvia, which was conditional there, without any obstacles or estonia in the event of an attack on these countries by this russian. a wild bear, but so far it's just talk, and if there are 30 countries, then imagine how much time and everything else it will take for such a simple, normal, banal decision to be made, so in europe , it seems to me, they are finally starting to guess , that the matter turns into such, you know, dramatic forms, and that ukraine must be helped, otherwise they will help themselves, but whether they will be able to do it is a rhetorical question. so,

i think macron just caught this change very quickly and is trying in this regard to hardly be a leader here, he is just trying, it seems to me, to be the first to convey this story to others, so that people in... in berlin and and and warsaw, and in prague, and in madrid and anywhere else in europe, they understood that now is the key time, or everyone will help ukraine together and in this way there will be no need to get involved directly themselves, well, or then the situation will get out of control, and then you will have to be on your own to try on... military uniforms in french, german and everything else to the armies of europe, because it will simply not work out any other way. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for

the conversation, it was volodymyr. rogrysko, politician , diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9, friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms in youtube and facebook, for those who are now watching us there live, please join our platforms, subscribe to our pages, take part in our survey, because today we are asking you about whether you agree with or whether the criticism of the pope's words about negotiations with russian federation. yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone and vote if you think that the criticism of the pope's words about negotiations with the russian federation is valid, 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, all calls to these numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, then we will be in touch with

viktor yagun, general. major of the sbu reserve, deputy head of the sbu in 2014-15. mr. general, i salute you, thank you for being here today with us. good health. the new york times writes that at the end of 2022, the administration of the president of the united states of america was developing an action plan in response to russia's possible use of nuclear weapons in ukraine. i will quote this respectable publication. administration officials said ... the united states' response would have to be non-nuclear, but they quickly added that it would have to be some sort of dramatic response, perhaps even a conventional strike against units that launched nuclear weapons, or they would risk encourage not only russian dictator putin, but any other authoritarian leader with a nuclear arsenal, large or small. mr. general, taking into account the fact that

ukraine has voluntarily given up its nuclear potential, and we found ourselves in a situation where the guarantors of the budapest memorandum, well, could not provide us with security guarantees, and one of the guarantors attacked ukraine, do you think , whether ukraine can in the future declare and count on the return or restoration of nuclear potential in our country. in the nearest it is difficult to imagine in the future, it first of all seems so to me, because i think that in such a perspective, we will sooner become members of nato and receive a nuclear umbrella from those three states that are officially the carriers, well, that are the owners of nuclear weapons, it's big.

france and the united states, this is one thing, and the second thing is that we still need to work on non-nuclear components, we will be better able to do this, and we will be able to resist the enemy sooner, if we use our capabilities for application, first of all, it is missile technique, as long-range. the problem in ukraine was very simple, and i once called it, we don't have it. to use test sites for missiles with a range of more than 500 km, so where did we use the odessa test sites in order to be able to hit the black sea there, warning everyone who swims there, this, unfortunately, is not such a long distance, we need missiles in 1000 km, how to do it, well, we need to reach out to our allies and

negotiate with them so that... we can test the missiles that we are developing on their test sites, it's being done by a lot of countries , in particular, i know that south korea has been working on it, and i think that would be a much better option than building nuclear weapons, although it's clear that they would like, you know, like israel , we, we don't have nuclear weapons, but if necessary, we will use them, well, that's... i meant, can ukraine, let's say, take some certain steps to protect itself from such a neighbor like the russian federation, especially since missile technology is always in ukraine were at a sufficiently high level, south mash created many different missiles of different classes, including missiles capable of carrying nuclear weapons.