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you how this process of review and approval is progressing and when to expect finalization? today, the committee on national security, defense and intelligence began reviewing the documents of the first 300, uh, and i was also present, joined the meeting of this committee, because although my amendments were taken into account, they concerned graduate students, er... different forms of education, and this is positive, but after one of the amendments advocated by yulia tymoshenko, the committee supported her, this amendment concerned that it is not possible to impose restrictions on persons suspected of evasion regarding the right to drive a car, seizure of property, prohibition of travel abroad. and this amendment was supported by seven members of the committee, six were against, that is... then

this amendment was passed, after that the chairman the committee stopped considering further amendments and after a few minutes the committee adjourned until tomorrow. i believe that such things are unacceptable, because today a large number of servicemen of the armed forces of ukraine and other defense forces are waiting for the law on improvement of mobilization, it is necessary to improve the accounting of military personnel, and such an attitude of... people's deputies, individual people's deputies to the consideration of amendments is unacceptable , we expect this work to go more efficiently starting tomorrow, and i think by the end of this week, by the beginning of next, both saturday and sunday, the committee has to work, and we can finish the consideration of these amendments and bring the bill to the floor of the session, if we are talking about other provisions. of this

bill, which in particular concerns demobilization, today i already asked oleksiy goncharenko about it, and i will ask you: zelensky in one of his last interviews said that demobilization does not exist during a war, and this encourages those or other thoughts, because basically, if the provisions of this bill, which concern demobilization, for some reason they are going very hard, and the soldiers who are fighting now, they are waiting for there to be some demobilization provisions. considered and they will be taken into account, what can you say about it, do you think that it is possible that in this way the question of demobilization is being sabotaged in general? well, i would like to start with the fact that the president has already taken one powerful step, you can argue whether it is timely or untimely, but the president signed a decree on the demobilization of all conscripts, the verkhovna rada passed a law, there were long discussions, debates, they said it was impossible, but the president...

signed this decree, which is already in force, and we expect, as it clearly states in it, to demobilize all conscripts and the verkhovna within two months. the council passed this law regarding 12 months of deferment for these young people to give them the opportunity to both rest and settle their lives, so this is a positive step that was taken by the verkhovna rada and approved by its supreme commander and signed by the decree. regarding other categories, of course, in this law, this law is complex, it makes changes to some normative documents and acts, there... it is about the possibility of exemption from military service of persons who are persons with disabilities, i.e. those who received this disability as a result of military service, i.e. this is also being improved, but in fact this is

legislation about military accounting and its improvement and about mobilization, which also needs to be improved, but the process of mobilization. goes, the only thing is that civil society demands clear rules and ultimately the military themselves, because if we talk about the work of the tsc, then the employees of these units themselves, they also want to work in a legal way, precisely after the adoption of this draft law in the second reading, i believe that this work will be within the framework of the legislation, and those violations that still occur today will disappear into the past, therefore that the law will clearly regulate what... what is included in the duties of the employees of the territorial centers of psychological support staffing, and what is outside the scope of this law, and there will be responsibility for that. so, mr. mykhailo, well, at the same time, there are also different ideas, yes, different

concepts are sometimes voiced, regarding the reboot of our beautiful cabinet, well, our song is a good new one, yes, at one time it is not a new story, well, but that's all now. it has revived , well, and there are already official signals that a certain number of ministries will be cut, we understand that people will not be thrown out of their positions just like that, because our legislation protects certain officials in any case, well, but , what is the logic, the concept, what do you think, what are the possible, so to speak, consequences of this optimization, well , why start right now, if it was possible it would be possible to start, i don't know, there two years ago. but no, right now. well, it is difficult for me to judge the logic of the government. by the way, recently shmyhal, as prime minister, marked or celebrated the fourth anniversary in this position. this is a record since the independence of ukraine. and, in my opinion, they initiated such

a reform, a reform that will concern the unification of ministries. to be honest, the government is needed. reform was a long time ago, because some ministries can be united, at a time when money is tight, when every, every penny earned as a ukrainian taxpayer and employer , everything goes to the security and defense sector, to the financial support of the military, then we ask to borrow everything else from our international partners, and we need to unify the ministry, so far... no, i, to the extreme, do not heard specific proposals, some say that it is possible to combine the ministry of veterans with the ministry of social policy, and there is logic in that, because in a few years social protection will rely on the service

of veterans of the russian-ukrainian war, others they say they can include sports. to the ministry of social policy, by the way, there was already such a practice in the ukrainian government once, and there are a number of other things that can be reformed, i am more concerned about something else: this government of shmyhal is really working without a program, we expected, maybe there will be a program to modernize the transfer to military rails , and it would be possible to consider it in a closed session of the verkhovna rada. there is not yet, that is why we are waiting in the verkhovna rada for the prime minister to finally show us this reform plan, and i am worried about something other than as a rule, every reduction in the bureaucratic

apparatus leads to an increase in its number, and more funds are used, yes, because even if a reorganization takes place, it will be shortened. the release of a certain number of officials, they will receive a certain amount of payments during the reduction , which will cover those savings, because of that there is a question, i would... otherwise i would bet, i hope for this law on the improvement of mobilization, that officials should be subject to mobilization with an exception some categories that will be formed by the ministry of economy, i.e. in those industries which are needed, which are strategic for the military sphere, for critical infrastructure, etc., so who will determine and in general, so to speak, what the tariff grid would be, relatively speaking, because the official... and i think, now very, very they tensed up when they heard you, mr. mykhailo

, but you understand that when we talk about local authorities, local administration , the consolidation of district administrations took place, the regional military absorbed part of the powers of local councils, which for one reason or another do not work perfectly or inefficiently during the operation of a special regime of martial law due to... the fact that i think the government should offer such a program, but i emphasize once again that the people who are prepared for this should serve first of all, these are the representatives of the power block, most of them are fighting, if we talk about the national police and the security service, they have combat units, and about other officials, this is the db. bep, well dbr , there they perform the functions of the military

prosecutor’s office, there is a separate topic, or rather the investigation of war crimes, but what about tax officials, customs officers and others categories of civil servants who live at the expense of the budget, there it is necessary to review and pay more attention to the replacement of representatives of the female half in these professions. i don't know the relevant ministries , well, we understand that eh, shall we talk about it after the break, i spoke, i spoke, i think that literally a few minutes our viewers will wait for us, so don't switch, we 'll be back in literally a few minutes, after a short break,

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collaborators with olena kononenko on the espresso tv channel. premium sponsor of the national team represents united football together stronger. people's deputy of ukraine mykhailo is in our studio for the information day of the tv channel in rospol. mia in reserve. we continue to talk about the prospects of mobilizing state officials and removing their armor. and in general, mr. mykhailo, we understand, well, that there is an armor procedure, it is regulated by cabinet resolutions, and accordingly, yes, we understand that some civil servants, they would like to stay in their places, well, this concerns

there are officials of various levels, maybe there are employees of certain fiscal departments and not only them, therefore. we are talking about this logic , for example, what criteria could be used to distinguish the useful from the not so useful in their positions, and in general, what do you think would be the feedback from the ministry of defense, the general staff, the office? it is very important that the cabinet of ministers forms a list of positions that are subject to reservation, based, first of all, on military needs, by specialty, by profession, by training. and secondly, so that the cabinet of ministers, how the body that coordinates the work of the bureaucratic apparatus worked to replace the persons of draft age with other categories, that is, women or persons of retirement age who are not subject to mobilization, this would be a good option, moreover, a large

number of officials due to their health i can continue to work. and this is one of the options that we will propose so that the cabinet of ministers goes that way. a large number, i emphasize once again, of people of retirement age due to their state of health and their profession can perform the work that today it is carried out by those officials who can go to serve at the front. everything depends on the objectivity of the work of the cabinet of ministers, on their profession and on that. list, it is very important for the ministry of economy to take into account the needs of the security sector, critical infrastructure and reserve exactly those categories of the national economy that are needed today, which work, ensure the vital activities of the state and, i emphasize, pay taxes from which

the military is financed, this is very important, and on it needs to pay attention, successfully. military front can be only with a successful economic front, the state must work, and this is an important task of the cabinet of ministers, and to ensure the work of a certain number of officials, but definitely the economy must work more efficiently than it is happening today, and pay taxes, this is important, yes mr. mykhailo , but look, you just mentioned it yourself, and i will quote your... colleague, people's deputy oleksiy honcharenko, who wrote that the government is already planning to approve new rules for the reservation of employees from mobilization and about those who will have this opportunity, so category a officials are workers of the enterprise, as well as institutions of the organization of the defense-industrial complex, all employees of the national police,

enterprises of the fuel and energy complex and communication operators, as well as the possibility of obtaining armor, possibly. will be for those who receive a salary of uah 35,000 or more, pay more than uah 6,300 in personal income tax, does this mean kyivstar or something, well, communication operators are people who provide us with communication, and accordingly it is said also about employees of it companies who are residents of diai and on condition of payment of personal income tax exceeding uah 6,300, but we understand that if it were necessary, on the other hand, i remember when... earlier we talked about the possibility of making such amendments to the bill on settlement mobilization, many people said that we cannot foresee this, because then it would be discrimination against those who earn money. less, but nevertheless, we see that the government still does not give up the opportunity to give armor to those who pay high taxes. well, i will say

so that for now it is a legislative initiative that is being discussed and which has not yet been registered in any draft law. it develops a proposal given by the office of the president and the committee on economic policy, which is chaired. dmytro, this is already the second attempt, we discussed with him as well, and the government is proposing the third. i think that such a thing is unacceptable. why? because it is impossible, it turns out that all the poor have to go to serve, and those who earn a lot cannot serve, this is not, it is wrong, it is not the right approach, i understand the logic of officials or those who is giving such an initiative, the initiators of this idea. they want to encourage people to receive their salaries cleanly, not in envelopes and pay their salaries from it, this is a

great idea, but is this the mechanism? probably not, and why 35, who so determined that 35 should be received, and not 34, 99, because of that, the wrong way, it is necessary, i agree with the government with the initiative. this idea that everything must be done to bring the economy out of the shadows. a third, according to various estimates, work in the shadows, get paid in envelopes, or something depriving the defense security sector of funding, and depriving themselves of their future pensions . this is a wrong approach, and here it is necessary to say that a good idea was born, this, i consider it as economic nationalism. that's why we have fiscal authorities, a mass of them

, in order to identify those who do not work, openly, who do not pay taxes, and then bring them to justice, bring them to the wall, as they say, so that they pay taxes, it seems to me, that such an idea will not yet be accepted by society and... again, me i return to what i started with, that people will perceive it in this way: yes, you receive the minimum wage, in our country, a large number of men still do not receive, if we talk about drivers of buses, public transport, everything, it is approximately 20-25 hryvnias, they don’t make it, that is, it turns out that they all need to be mobilized, and someone who works , for example, in international transportation, can receive 30. six, he doesn’t, the logic is probably not the same here, we need to look for other options, on the other hand , mr. mykhailo, this is how we understand, that a soft law on mobilization will not suit,

maybe not at the public level, but the ministry of defense and the general staff will not suit, so we understand that there is a great need for people, in personnel and so on, on the other hand, they promised us to conduct an audit , in particular along the lines of the general staff and so on and so on, which... parts, where they are used, where they serve and so on, that is, it is actually a titanic job, and all of it is classified, we understand that there are letters, tolerances, level, so on say, inspectors should be proper, and so on, and so on, that's what i'm getting at, that is, if we have a soft law on mobilization, then we understand that it will not solve the urgent needs, if we conduct a proper audit, yes, it is possible to find a certain number of people, but all the same, this may not be enough, and about the logic of the processes, well , in fact, an audit is being conducted, i am talking to some military commanders, they say that a large part of the units, or a certain

part of the units, are already being withdrawn for recovery, for rotation, and this is the first time in the last two years that combat troops have taken their place units that have been in non-combat locations is a positive thing. but it is definitely necessary to improve mobilization, by the way, mobilization is ongoing, let's say it is ongoing, there are certain tasks that are not being fulfilled, there are comments on the work, on the mobilization plans, but ukraine has not faced such a challenge in 30 years, and here there are objective reasons, with the account of military personnel, with their improvement of their skill, from withdrawal. because of this, it is necessary to improve this legislation, it is clear that the law that will be adopted in the second reading, i would like it to be

perfect, it will not be, because the process of mobilization itself is state coercion, but during the special regime of martial law, the law was written in such a way that there are certain restrictions on the rights and freedoms of citizens, because of which we will be forced to vote on the law, but i emphasize once again that when there will be such factors that are being discussed today, i personally think that our faction will not vote, but now the important moment of work in committees . for there is an opportunity, and today has demonstrated, to convince the majority of the committee members that certain norms that violate human rights, which are unacceptable, they can be excluded like those that today, i have already said, regarding the seizure of property, or the prohibition to dispose of it, travel abroad and deprivation of the right to drive a car, after all, this is a violation

of the criminal procedural code of the administrator. tive code clearly states what causes the right to drive a car to be revoked, and it’s just someone with a military commissar, but there is matheori, matheori evasion, you understand, and well, also think about the military committees, that is, how are they supposed to influence, good day, sorry, you could not, and the one, or the other, ignores the law, which, i think, will be passed in the coming weeks , he will clearly say that against ... two months, all conscripts must undergo data clarification at the territorial recruiting center or, if not, then another factor of the criminal code comes into play, and there, if i'm not mistaken, high fines are predicted, well , the first is high fines if no appearance in depending on the violation, then as malicious evasion, the criminal code already comes into play for this, there are law enforcement agencies that declare a person wanted and deliver

another process, clearly the state must regulate these processes, and we as legislators must provide mechanisms to state agencies, including law enforcement, as to respond to this or that challenge, i emphasize once again that when we talk about mobilization, we must start with those boys and girls who are on the front lines today, they are a certain part, or most of them, two years without rest, we must to think about them, because of this... fighting ability is lost, health is lost, it is necessary to restore people and instead direct those people, but i emphasize once again, direct and mobilize people through training in training centers, at least three months, the state of health, and these people should clearly know for what period the state is mobilizing them, whether it is 24 months or 36, i believe. personally, that 18,

if 12 months of them are in the combat zone, i am convinced by the military, let's take 24 months, half of them in the combat zone actions, okay, maybe this option is the most suitable, but the military can be understood, the military leadership, they should clearly know for which month how much mobilization should be carried out, to prepare to demobilize that part, thank you, mr. mykhailo, mykhailo tsimbalyuk, people's deputy of ukraine. was on our airwaves, and by the way, on the subject of the audit of the armed forces, zelenskyi said in the last interview that this process should be completed by the end of the month, so we understand that this information is not to be disclosed, but at least the president assured that it will be known by the end of the month where which units are spending their time, well, less than that , today antin and i will say goodbye to you, because see you tomorrow, we

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