well, unfortunately, we really do not see any concrete and coherent strategy from the west in relation to russia for its future. it seems to me that here we can recall the words of mark twain, who said that history does not repeat itself, but it rhymes, that is, we see that history in some sense can be said to repeat itself in the soviet union, that is, it is about the fact that then the west, the united states , as the leader of the western democratic world, tried to avoid the disintegration of the soviet union, they feared, they explained that arise, for example, the issue related to nuclear weapons, that is, they were afraid of it, and perhaps now history is repeating itself in this regard, and therefore they do not have a clear strategy, but it must be remembered that the disintegration of russia, its decline is for. .. the fall of this empire, this is

an unceasing, irreversible process, which is an objective process, that is, it does not depend on the will of a person, and it is necessary to prepare, the west must already have both plan a and plan b, connected with that , what will happen when the russian regime, what it looks like from the outside quite solid and confident, but inside he is already rotten, and this, by the way, was shown by the situation. with prigozhin's uprising, when in fact there was no power and desire of the soup to stop its advance on the territory of russia, that is , the disintegration of russia, its disintegration is a matter of the nearest historical future, and it is necessary to have a certain strategy for both ukraine and the west as well. well, of course, do not reduce this strategy to simple phrases, that peace negotiations should be between russia and ukraine, and even more so, i... as pope

francis did, do not call with a white flag to sit down or offer russia to conduct these peace talks, by the way, nato secretary general jen stoltenberg in an interview with reuters, in response to the statement of pope francis that ukraine should have the courage of a white flag, said literally the following, let's listen, no one wants peace more than ukraine. they suffer every day because of the zagardnya war, they want peace, at the same time they want to exist as a sovereign, independent state, and the only way to ensure this is to provide military support to ukraine. now is not the time to talk about capitulation of ukraine. it will be a tragedy for ukrainians, it will also be dangerous for all of us. well, thank god that the secretary general of nato clearly articulated this position, because... pope

francis is very reminiscent of one of his predecessors, pope pius xii, who in the 1939-40s tried to negotiate with mussolini and hitler and in fact , he repeated practically the same mantras: it is necessary to sit down at the transition table, it is necessary to agree on something, he agreed on something there with ribbentrop in the 40th year, then the nazis went further and holland and france was captured, well, that is this story... it is repeated, mrs. ivanna, why , in particular, the holy see does not teach this story, why the pope, knowingly or unknowingly, god knows, is playing along with the russian federation and putin, why can't he clearly say: here is a killer country, here is a country that suffers from the aggression of the russian federation, what prevents him from doing this? well, it seems to me

that we should understand that the position of the pope, the post of the pope, and to some extent it still remains a political, political post, and this specific the pope of rome, he probably represents the entire ideology, ideological, ideological approaches of this so-called global rooster, who is not at all... aware of this, well, this evil, which the russian federation carries with it, and does not want to see it, even when it manifests itself in the harshest, most catastrophic such things that russia is doing on the territory of ukraine, not only the last two years, all 10 years, the duration of which this

war is going on, and in fact i am sorry that the pontiff - it turns out so weak political figure and is a hostage of some... of their own, probably, previous ideas about the world, and besides, i think that to a certain extent, somewhere, for sure, we, as ukraine, and as a state, and perhaps as churches, do not we are finalizing in this work with this pope, what would be important to have there, well, such an active ukrainian presence that could provide. arguments to give advice to the most holy throne, it hurts me very much that a person from such a position, from such a position, with such opportunities, with such influence in the world it is not possible to use this influence in

order to stop the evil and, well, with such mantras about the fact that it is necessary to reconcile both sides and... to have the courage of a white flag, he tries to appeal to ukrainians, if not understanding or not realizing, or deliberately ignoring the fact that if ukrainians raise the white flag, it means that we as ukrainians only as a sovereign state, which stoltenberg is talking about, will not exist, we will not exist physically, as a people, as individual people, as individual personalities, because russia will do everything to destroy everything completely. that claims to be separate and to be ukrainian on our territory, so this is such a bitter bell that is ringing in the world today, and of course i would like to hope that there will be

voices around the pope that will force him to really apologize, i. .. i see such attempts, some such dim and gray attempts to explain what he meant by his spokespeople, but they certainly cannot withstand any further criticism. i would just like to take this opportunity to thank our patriarch, the chairman of the ukrainian greek-catholic church of svyatoslavova, his beatitude, for his position, which is precisely the position of... the ukrainian people, ukrainian believers, ukrainian catholics, including greek catholics. mr. andrii , what do you think, pope francis, he does not understand the situation in ukraine, or does not want to understand, or is it possible that he is deliberately just

playing on the side of the russian federation and understands that, as he said, this is a state where great culture, remember, he had an appeal to... russians at an online youth forum addressing the russians who were at the international forum in st. petersburg, that is, he lives in some coordinate system of his own, although ms. ivanovna correctly said that with such a status and such power in the world, he could have done much more than he did, that is, not to articulate these white flags and calls for peace negotiations. you know, friends, we often overestimate people, depending on their status, on their mandate, i slightly disagree with ivanna, who is trying to criticize him, as it were, that

but he is not able to retreat from some of his previous convictions. look, we are all hostages of our past experiences, and no matter how experienced or intelligent people are. they all live in a certain system of coordinates , which was formed by decades of their professional work, whatever it was, even at such a high intellectual level, and surely a word should be said at the political level, as with the current pope of rome, who was in this party for decades, i am absolutely convinced that the problem is even not what he said, but the problem is that he... believes that, that is, it's not like you 're asking me, is he playing someone's side there, playing along with someone, no, i believe that he believes that, you see, and it's much worse, he's completely from these left-wing milieus

in south america, which have always been very left-wing, which have had a very different philosophy than protestant europe over there, or even... the united states of america, again after all, he is from that part of the world where ukraine is very far away, but we all travel a little around the world when sometimes they allow us to do this, but we... know this experience, when you are in america, you feel that europe, sorry, the hell is going on, well, it is very far away, you can feel it on your skin, and ukraine is even further away, but imagine people from latin america, from argentina, from brazil, that is, for them it is all a kind of mythology, this is russia, there is some ukraine, but russia is still perceived as an empire, everything around the empire is probably some small countries that trade, and how can it not be seen. but even such a person as the pope of rome, he really lives in this system

coordinates, and what he said, he believes in it , it's his reading, including the gospel and his role as a pontiff, you know, this standard scheme that you have to turn the other cheek when you're beaten one by one, so we it is unlikely that we will fix it, but the world public, publicity, media influence, it does its job. i've been a little busy today, but i read something somewhere that he seems to have gone into reverse a little bit there, and they've already started to interpret this statement of his from two days ago a little differently, so they changes, based on the general tonality of media communications in the world, and i think this is just another example for all of us who work in ukraine, that we have not yet plowed the field of work for millet'. ukrainian interest and ukrainian narrative, especially in south

america , where there are virtually no embassies there, i know a little about the argentine and brazilian embassies there, well, everyone knows that there is a minimum staff, minimal resources, and of course ukraine is not presented, accordingly expect that we we will be known, we will be known, we will be protected, well, it is very naive, so let's look first of all at the history with... the words of the pope, as a task for us to work more and more in the international arena. thank you, mr. andriy , mr. oleksandr, how are the statements coming out, including from the mouth of the pope, how they affect the final decisions made by the leaders of western european countries, in particular, regarding many countries, where they are russian money, they are not for it. interested in confiscating them and transfer, and they are looking for various reasons

not to do it, but there are very clear legal arguments, because russia is committing serious international crimes, and crimes such as the crime of aggression or the crime of genocide, these are crimes not only against the victim, not only against ukraine, as well as crimes against the entire world society, that is, against those countries where russian money is located, and this is a sufficient legal and international legal argument, as a countermeasure, as a sanction for confiscating this money and handing it over to the victim crimes, a victim of aggression and a victim of genocide , i.e. ukraine, and that is enough, but to our great regret, we see that these countries... they will continue to look for opportunities and arguments not to do this, but we need to

show perseverance and determination here and convince them to ultimately do the legally correct thing. today , negotiations took place in the european commission and the european commission prepared the negotiating framework necessary in the process of ukraine's promotion to membership in the european union, and... radio svoboda quotes vice president of the european commission marush shevchovych, who, after the meeting of the board of european commissioners , announced that we have completed work on the proposals for the draft negotiation framework with ukraine and moldova, which will be submitted for consideration by the council. the next step should be the approval of the proposed negotiation framework by the ministers and leaders of the eu countries, but as i stated before. the president of the european commission, ursula fondeyan, in her opinion, it is unlikely to happen before the european

elections, which will be held in june 2024. madam ivano, it is time to agree on these negotiating frameworks and how they will be take place, how ukraine's progress in the negotiations for membership in the european union will take place, whether it is delayed or whether it is a normal procedure. which happens to each country that claims to be a member of the eu, it happens differently to different, happened, and with different countries, and therefore... or otherwise it took some number of months even to agree on this negotiating framework, but in our in your case, we must understand that the further the approval process is dragged out, the more it will be politicized, if it is about the fact that this will take place against the background of parliamentary elections to the european

parliament, pan-european elections, and they will take place... on june 9 this year, and actually you and i also understand that there is a large number of different environments there, which in different countries, members of the european union, who will try to use, say, ah, or the already adopted decision on the negotiation framework with ukraine and moldova as an election argument. for, by the way, destabilization, well, a certain destabilization of the situation, i think that also in a situation with, say, blocking the polish-ukrainian border, there is a large presence of such a political component, and these are similar things, well, if not in the form of strikes and blockades there in some other

form, we will also see in many other countries, and in many others. i think that this is exactly what was meant when the president of the european commission, ursula fondain , said that the negotiating framework would most likely be approved after the elections to the european parliament, although it is not in the interests of ukraine, in my opinion, the longer will be the process of adopting the negotiating framework with ukraine is being dragged out, which, unfortunately, is increasing. chances are that it can be postponed not until the month of june, but until the next year 2025. i am talking about this because, unfortunately, the next presiding country in the european union will be hungary from july 1 to december 31, 2024, and it will definitely not

be a priority for her in her presidency. in the european union to achieve an agreement of positions between all countries, members of the european union regarding the agreement of the negotiation framework with ukraine and with moldova. thank you, ms. ivano, mr. andrii, how can we negotiate with our neighbors, and first of all with hungary, so that they do not put sticks in our wheels and understand that ukraine is currently at war, and it is very important for us to be a member of the european union. this should have been done 5-10 years ago and started to be done, such things do not happen in a day or two months, it is a long painstaking work, and now we just have to be as realistic as possible. i will just continue a little what ivanna told, i do not completely agree, because i think that

approval of the framework before the elections to the european parliament, before the beginning of june, is probably bad. because it will definitely be used in the political interests of competing parties in europe. we can already see that the ukrainian theme is used perfectly in political battles, and of course, this is not in our favor in general. therefore, precisely from this point of view, it might be better if they agree on it after the elections, but on the other hand, yes, after the elections , hungary enters the leadership and... the euromission until december, and i don't have there is no doubt that during this period we are also unlikely to succeed in achieving anything there, because hungary, you see, is very clearly playing its part, orbán recently went to trump, said a lot, and based on all this, i think that the realities such that if

we get these frameworks approved by the end of the year, it will probably be good, but at the same time , it should not be taken as something unexpected, even when the decision to start negotiations was made last december, it was absolutely clear that we have a lot waiting for us a complicated process, and the further, well, the further, only three incomplete months have passed there, and we see what difficulties are ahead of us, both from the point of view of relations with hungary, and these absolutely insane strikes in poland , which are absolutely manipulative.. . is used most likely through russian agents by pro-russian parties, and the same situation with slovakia, to put it mildly, is not very in our favor, that is, it is called: welcome to reality, the reality of the european union is complex, cruel, and actually, as in the situation with the pope, which we discussed just a few

minutes ago, as well as in all matters of relations, both with our closest neighbors and with all members of the european union, there is no other recipe than constant dialogue, and constant means constant, at any -what platforms, where, where politicians, public activists, activists gather, we should be like a country with our own agenda, we should be our arguments, we should be our proposals, because not only we should ask for help and cry about what misfortunes, that we are being killed here, we have to constantly offer something and in this way build our ukrainian interest in europe, otherwise nothing will happen, thank you mr. andriy, mr. oleksandr, as you can see... the passage of this big change procedure, it is clear that first there will be framework, then there will be these negotiations, do we have enough strength and opportunities now

to convince our european friends that we must necessarily be a member of the european union, and this is our choice, it is the choice of the ukrainian people, not just the choice of some officials or politicians, but for some reason i remembered the well-known. the slogan of the 60s: be realistic, demand the impossible, i believe that we need to take a rather radical position here, because for us the question of ukraine's membership in the eu is not just a question of membership in an international organization, it is a question of our life, our survival , i am sure that the accession, as soon as possible, the accession of ukraine to the eu will contribute. our victory, why? because putin, he is afraid of one thing, he is afraid of solidarity, european solidarity behind every member

of this organization, the european union. in addition, there is a common defense policy, a common foreign policy, which is also important for ensuring the security of ukraine, so for me the question of our accession is, firstly, a question of our security, and secondly, it is a political question, a question of... political will, for some reason i think that if leaders of such a caliber as churchill were in power in european countries now, they would understand this very well, and the issue of ukraine's accession would be resolved as quickly as possible term. i think that it is necessary to take such a decisive, radical step that will save ukraine, that will help us protect ourselves. and win in the end, therefore there is one argument, a strong argument that outweighs all other arguments, it is that now ukraine

is saving the european union and all of europe at the cost of the lives of its citizens, therefore this strong argument deserves that ukraine becomes a member of the european union as soon as possible. thank you, mr. oleksandr, oleksandr mereshko, andriy osachuk and ivan... were guests of our program today, thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for participating in this program, i will remind our viewers that during our program we conducted polls and are conducting polls, we ask you about whether the raids of russian rebels on the territory of the russian federation are bringing our victory closer, these are the results of our television poll, 81% of those who watch us now on the tv channel, he thinks that... that these raids are bringing us closer to our victory, 19% say no, on youtube we have the results yes, 79%, 21% - no, these are

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