the international criminal court has no jurisdiction to prosecute putin for the crime of aggression, precisely for the resolution of this war. i will say more, in the entire history of mankind, we have only one such precedent. this is the nuremberg trials, where nazi war criminals were tried only after the nazi regime fell. but we live in a new century. depending on when and how this war ends. we cannot wait, we must create a special tribunal now and bring putin and his entourage to justice. and i repeat once again that everyone war crimes, all crimes against humanity and this war itself, genocide became possible only because the crime of aggression took place. the crime of aggression is the so-called maternal crime.

that is why we must give a clear signal to the world that the leaders who unleash an aggressive war will be held accountable for it. the international criminal court issued two more arrest warrants for high-ranking russian officers and said they were likely involved in crimes during the missile campaign against ukraine's energy infrastructure during from october 22 to march 2023. is this a small step, or is it all that significant, as the investigation of specific crimes committed on your territory begins? it's definitely not a small step, it's a big step. first of all, i must recognize the incredible speed of international justice, because it is about the deliberate destruction of the energy infrastructure last year, and only a year later the international... the criminal court released

the first results. of course, this also became possible thanks to cooperation with ukrainian law enforcement agencies, which helped identify the ship, missiles and their commanders. so it was a good example of cooperation between national state authorities and the international criminal court. the iss did not simply qualify these actions. it was said that these were crimes against humanity. yes, you briefly mentioned the issue of genocide. obviously, it is legally difficult to prove the fact of genocide, but you have been working in this field for more than 10 years. when you read what the russians are saying, when you see what they are doing, are they really committing genocide in ukraine? this war is genocidal in nature,

putin recently gave a public interview in which he reiterated his genocidal intentions. he said that ukrainians do not exist and that we and russians are one people, and we, as human rights defenders, have been recording for years how these words turn into a terrible practice on the ground, when russian troops purposefully exterminate the active local population. how they ban ukrainian language and culture and destroy ukrainian cultural heritage. how they forcefully take ukrainian children to russia for adoption into russian families. in this way, they implement the principle: ukrainians, you must either be re-educated as russians or... and i, as a lawyer, know that

genocide is a crime of crimes, it is very difficult to prove, there are very high standards, but i can explain to our audience what is happening very simply in other words: you don't need to be a lawyer to understand that if someone wants to partially or completely eliminate a national group, it is not necessary to kill all representatives of this national group, you can forcefully change their identity. and the whole national group will disappear. and my last question: human rights in ukraine, some public organizations express concern about the persecution of journalists by the authorities. kyiv mayor vitaliy klitschko, criticizing president volodymyr zelenskyi, recently said that he is concerned that ukraine is moving towards one-man rule. you are a law enforcement officer. i understand that while there is a war in the country, now is not the best time to discuss, but are

you worried that human rights in ukraine are not fully protected? this is a real challenge because war is poison for anyone society. the logic of war dictates centralization, democratization dictates decentralization, the logic of war dictates the restriction of rights and freedoms by security requirements. democratization, on the contrary, dictates the expansion of the dimension of rights and freedoms, and these are two contradictory logics that exist simultaneously. therefore, we, ukrainians, are now in a very difficult position. victory for ukraine is not only about expelling russian troops, restoring our integrity, liberating people living in crimea, luhansk region, donetsk region, zaporizhzhia, kherson region and other temporarily occupied territories.

victory for ukraine also means success in the democratic transformation of our country. we all know what it means for us to win a war with russia. it makes no sense for us to switch to the principles that russia professes. many thanks to oleksandra matviychuk for this conversation on france 24 and thank you very much to our viewers for being with us. greetings, dear tv viewers, on the air of the tv channel studio zahid program, we will analyze the most important events of this week. our guests today are roman bezsmertny and oleksandr morozov. our first the guest is the iconic ukrainian politician and

diplomat, roman bezsmertnyi. glory to ukraine, mr. roman, i congratulate you. glory to the heroes, i congratulate you, mr. antin. mr. roman, what, now we see, we feel that putin is using a certain window of opportunity. in particular, when we talk about the situation in the united states and when we see the projection on the great front of the russian-ukrainian war, particularly in the east, the extraordinary activation of the enemy, we understand that the united states will mature sooner or later, and the critical situation is already present. diplomatic artillery will now enter the battle, and the first such signal is two initiatives. one came from ankara, with which the president of turkey, tayyip recep erdogan, spoke about the fact that he would be happy to provide a platform for dialogue-negotiations, and the second, the special envoy of the

people's republic of china, lihui, rushed to the trip. an interesting thing is that the spokeswoman of the ministry of foreign affairs of china...maoning, and answering the question of the global times journalist, this is the newspaper of the chinese communists, regarding that, and which in principle the purpose of this trip, she said about such things, which are very, very subtly covered here and actually named both the reason and the purpose that the situation at the front prompts. parties in the view of beijing to him a high probability of dialogue. it is clear that , in this situation, envoy lihui could not fail to first go to moscow according to the instructions. and such a meeting took place with the former ambassador of the russian

federation to japan, just in the period of the events of february 2022, and now the deputy. lavova, where the meeting took place, and in summary, summary information for mass media it was said that in moscow, i am almost quoting, china and russia reached an agreement that it is unacceptable to consider the issue of the ukrainian dialogue without the participation of russia. therefore, this is no longer in the chinese statement, but it is in the russian one. all other unilateral initiatives from both the west and ukraine only complicate the situation, the road to a possible dialogue.

it will seem strange to some, but at this very moment, and in these very days, starting on february 28, because this story began to run and this operation began to work from february 28 in foreign affairs, one of of the most popular foreign policy publications, in particular the fifth appeared yesterday. and the article is authored by two well-known specialists in this field, samuel charap and shapiro, by the way, both of them are regular participants of the valdai format and conference, which is constantly held in russia, and they are the authors of the well-known monograph of 2014, which is called the ukrainian crisis. for two dots, everything that is written on

several pages under the heading the path to diplomacy, or how to start negotiations between russia and ukraine, instructive instructions, how one and the other side need to act, what to do in order to painlessly sit down at the negotiating table, this diplomatic... it will strengthen its caliber in the coming months, because the reason for this is not that the ukrainian troops left avdiyivka, because that is how beijing presents it, this is how the two authors i mentioned above write about it, and the reason is that russia does not have the power to develop these events, and therefore it is necessary now. a pause to gather strength, i don't know if they understand in

ankara, from my point of view everything is simpler there, because erdogan solves his issues, because the formation of next year's budget begins on the 25th, and without tariffs, and where without volumes of gas pumping, without trade with russia, which is growing, for turkey, well, it is difficult to do, in china it is easier, china is simply following another instruction of the kremlin and fulfills the role of these diplomatic trips, and we will now see how brazil will catch fire in this situation . from beijing to be exact, new ones will appear now. proposals from african peacemakers and so on, i think that

the saudis will get involved and get involved and so on, that is , another storm is coming, even the first meetings lihui held in europe in brussels, he met with the heads of two departments, well, the name yes, the ministry of foreign affairs of the european union, to be clear , it is interesting that the meeting itself... the meeting itself took place in a rather harsh tone, where the representatives of the european community very clearly indicated that if china continues to to supply russia with equipment for such weapons as cruise missiles, as cabs, as planes and so on, then the number of sanctions will increase, which is the position of lihui on behalf of china and the chinese ambassador. at the eu, which was present at the meeting, was unequivocal,

we are not sending lethal weapons to russia, we are not adding fuel to the flame, we want to be constructive and add only chinese wisdom to the need for dialogue, i am almost quoting from what was printed, written, said within this dialogue, for which the european representatives from... enough harshly, that we are ready to exchange information and engage in dialogue, but china must draw conclusions, because china leaves no other option for the european union than to increase sanctions and reduce trade with china due to the fact that it already actually contributes to russia in so that it bombards ukraine, already. these components make up a clear situation regarding the next

months of maneuvers that will be carried out by moscow. mr. roman, you have very correctly described the two main tracks, the russian-chinese and euro-atlantic tracks, yes , well, we, ukraine, also participate in the euro-atlantic track, but there is an additional track, which is called the appearance of donald trump as a serious political figure who can change the situation, it is not known in which direction, mr. antin, very wise , it is not known in which situation, although from my point of view, today it is already possible to predict if... trump will be the winner, because i understand internally that knowing all the american election overkill, as far as i can say that i know, today to be sure of because it's too early for trump, but god be with him. answers to this is a question that our compatriots prefer to hear, they want to hear arguments

for, against and so on. the situation that is unfolding now is hell. almost completely similar to a similar situation in 1979-1980 . let me remind you, this is actually the coming to power and the election of ronald reagan. probably, those who remember, or those who read, know that on november 4, 1979 in tehran, the embassy was captured as a result of the seizure. 60 hostages of american diplomats, they were released, released to america on november 4, a few minutes after reagan accepted i swear, for a long time everyone broke their spears, what happened that on november 4, exactly one year later, they

were captured. life will take us through a famous military operation, which was called a plate of rice, it was also called an eagle claw, it had many names, where the carter administration simply failed, and inside this operation , the military asked it to be canceled, although 10, i think 10 soldiers died , a lot of equipment was lost, but... a few minutes later, as soon as reagan was inaugurated, the hostages were released, what happened when the newly elected president ronald reagan was asked what you did that you managed to achieve the result so quickly, he said: i didn't do it, my people worked, after a few years it will become known that the so-called

reagan people needed 40 million dollars to bribe. .. the leadership of iran, including this money, got to ayatala, not khomani, khomeini, not khomeini, but khomeini, well, the predecessor of the current one, so that they would not give these hostages to carter, as the president at that time. the situation develops according to the following scenario: pay attention when mike johnson was elected speaker of the house. representatives, it must be remembered that the elections this time will be held, well, as it should be, on the second tuesday, that is, it will be the fifth tuesday, the first tuesday after the first, the first day off of the month of november, it will be the fifth " americans will go to the polls on the next day, they will vote,

depending on that, and from my point of view , few people here can say depending." from which, because it does not matter in principle, there will be a vote somehow, if similar decisions, which were made last week by the court, supreme, which were adopted in favor of trump, will not solve the problem in advance, because including this vote, pay attention, mike johnson comes out of the president's office, says: "the aid to ukraine will be voted on when it is necessary." the unique phrase "the phrase suggests that it is being uttered by an inexperienced person, but a person who is in the information field, who understands when the breakthrough can come, or from whom it can come, so this is the scenario that we see then in 1980 , it is very similar in what it is

now, years will pass, as now, because what i said became known only about eight years ago. 7-8 years ago, before that, it was just after reagan's death that they started talking about it more, journalists started digging, found out about these funds that were transferred by the persians and so on, and then the point was made, which is not very popular now, which americans don't really like to talk about, but in this drama that is developing now, it is quite similar in terms of the scenario, and you have to understand that the americans , just like the ukrainians, have people who absolutely everything is the same, how many of those who were held hostage then died, how many american soldiers who tried to save them died, these are people... with a completely different character, their cynicism, their desire for power, it pushes them to any steps , and the topic of trump is actually a topic, well, the essence and

content of what sometimes happens in politics, and here, when they tell me that trump says that he will be like this, mr. antin, i want to emphasize once again, i understand perfectly , that... no matter how much reagan came to power, his efforts were destroyed the soviet empire, and i am convinced that the military lobby behind trump, if he wins, will do a lot to kill russia, and the theses that trump will go to bed with the moscow führer, they are aimed at for the ukrainians to break the spears with trump now, i... warn the ukrainian leaders in advance, there is no need to interfere in the process, as much as possible today, we need to get help from everyone, including the united states of america, but

not to enter into that process so much so that after november 4 to regret that we interfered in this process, and i fully share the point of view of boris johnson here, because he is a person and an expert and... and a journalist, a journalist, as a creative person, is given to feel these subtleties, and the argumentation that he 's running on trump, it's serious enough to be ignored, so from my point of view, and these parallels of 79-80, and the current course of events with the delay, the vote in the house of representatives, they are very reminiscent of all these things, by the way , this is in the character of republicans, they have passed more than once in political battles due to such processes, and i am speaking about this now as a person who is

outside the power processes, i want to warn and explain to ukrainians, ukrainian officials, that these american phenomena should be treated as american phenomena, what we need now, you know, inside me... i am more wary of the ukrainian power corridors and their inability to counter such things than of society, the army and so on, because these things, the army, society, defense forces, they are very stable and strong, but overdrinking that arise all the time in the political system, and the essence of it is that there is one flaw that lives on. the government ignores the opposition's position, it is impossible and inadmissible to do this in conditions of war. how much has already been said about

the examples that happened and so on, because what will happen, as soon as the situation escalates and some serious steps have to be taken, the absence of this dialogue will necessarily lead to a serious conflict in the capital, on the streets of the capital, this is a very dangerous thing . therefore, the idea of ​​national unity as much as possible, which was supposed to be implemented through the government of national unity, through some coordination council of national unity, and so on, it must be done, because another thing like that was not released abroad, against that they released unjustified accusations, and so on, in in the information field can lead to very serious tension, now one more thing: it is clear that in such a situation the outside is activated, and here it is very important to distinguish between macron's idea from the point of view of its rational content and essence, and

the idea of ​​lihuey, who is simply a messenger of moscow in ukrainian corridors, because i want to draw attention to one thing: the spokeswoman of the chinese foreign ministry, answering the question of the same journalist, thank you. ukrainian and russian sides for constructive cooperation and objective information of beijing. i was a little surprised by this leveling, well , it is typical for dictatorial red offices to put the victim and the aggressor on the same level, i understand that, so in these 12 points there is no difference between ukraine and russia, there... both sides, there is only so used as a last resort, but this thank-you alarmed me a little, because it is necessary to understand that both ankara and beijing... and

ankara was passed over. today, beijing is making sure that warring ukraine still gives the chinese 6-7 million tons of grain based on the results of this year. this is what is needed. so imagine a warring country to someone who helps the aggressor and also sells grain because he has problems with food, and this representative is a minister, the minister of foreign affairs at... at the munich conference, the minister of china one to the question of christoph heusgen, why you don't perform the budapest memorandum, he said, and we did not sign it, it was signed by the british, americans, and ukrainians, and when heutzden objected to him, the document was voted by the security council, he added: so we have nothing to do with the situation that has developed we don't have, that's why to me these china-pakistan... according to

the moscow scenario, wisdom is already sitting in the livers, and the fact is that i want to emphasize once again, these are things that from the point of view of diplomatic skills and all this tangle that twists in internationally, they are very dangerous, because we are the only ones only now we are going through this turning point, in which we almost flew to kanawha with poland, and now we have a chance to get into the same picket situation with the trip of lihu ave., which solves the issues needed by beijing, its entire the concern for ukraine in this situation and the ceasefire is only that it speaks, no more and no less, because last year china and russia gained 270 billion in trade turnover. in three

months of this year, the 24th is already +25, and if you look at what is in this basket, there is energy, there is industry, there electronics, i.e. there are microcircuits, there are rare earth metals, actually what is needed to produce weapons for war. pay attention, nine months have passed since lihuy traveled around ukraine. around europe, where he talked about the fact that the ukrainians should give the captured territories to the enemy, this time he brought another thing, that in order to talk about these things, it is necessary to talk with russia, this is thesis number one and thesis number two , it is impossible to realize your security without taking into account the security of your neighbor, you know what these are in words, it is impossible for ukraine

to join nato, because it is dangerous for russia. if we add what was written by charap and shapiro, who say that it is important today that someone from the circle of the president of ukraine says that the decree not to hold negotiations does not apply only to putin himself, but it does not apply to ordinary people, and secondly, it is important that the kremlin say, and to which label in the territory? ukraine, they want to reach. when you read all these things, you understand that you must have them strong nervous system. i say this so that everyone understands that they are agents of the kremlin, they will always show themselves and will always write all kinds of nonsense in order to nervously destabilize us. that's why i want us to be fools, all those who come from beijing, who come from very loving american money. and

europeans so that we can withstand them. as for washington and whether or not the first lady will travel to president biden's speech, i will say this: every official has functions, in addition to being human, and i can tell you to say, as a non-professional diplomat, that 90% of the time you have to... do the work that you don't like, but you have to do it, because you were sent to negotiate, the enemy in front of you, or your imperfect friend, or a sick person friend, this is already such a thing , you have to do this work, and when you especially need help, who are you sitting next to, what are you flying in and what are you wearing, this is an absolutely ten-fold thing, we all need to understand that there are such situations.