i need my help, we were first sent to bakhmut, well , everything was calm in bakhmut, this donetsk region, then a little further east. to pokrovsk, it was already like the second line, well, and then to popasnoy, and here in popasnoy we stayed there for more than a week, we didn’t have time to stay there very long, we were still in the center of popasnoy, everything was fine in principle, while i was, that is, an arrow is aimed at us.

they were constantly dropping mortars, hailstones, aerial bombs, but this one, but there was no direct contact, this is in the center of the city, then when i found myself on the outskirts of the pass in the early sector, there was already direct contact, let's say, the tanks went out to pass, there were already skirmishes at the port, we were in the third position, and... and there were two positions in front of us, well, they disappeared somewhere, something happened to them there , i don’t know, that’s all, and we were surrounded in the morning, they surrounded us, well, it all lasted for several hours, they threw grenades at us, exchanged fire with them, well, we were in the basement then, and this it turns out that we were in a dead end, in a closed room, and this was the only way we could move through the basement, then it happened that they retreated into the last dead-end room, and that was it. there were two options, either death

, or this, or to surrender to captivity, they offered us more than once to surrender, but we refused, they told them, tell the clearing, they sent them somewhere further, well, after that there was no way out, that's it a few guys left at first, not all of them surrendered at once, at first four left, and then five minutes after that we heard shots, well, to be honest, i thought they were shot, but no, then after a few minutes one of them... comes back , says: surrender, surrender, guys, you won't be shot, everything will be fine. first, they put us on our knees, tied our hands with heavy weights, and read morals to us there for 20 minutes, like, you are westerners, why are you climbing here, we ourselves are local, well, we don't want your support, we don't want to be in ukraine and so on, we just waved our heads and said nothing to them, then they took us to... a shaft there, they transported us

several kilometers to their own territory , to the captured one, and they began to undress us to check for tattoos or who has what kind of tattoos, they started asking everyone where he served, where do you serve or fought before in the anti-terrorist operation, who what specialty, they asked one man like that, but... they shot him just because he was an artilleryman, they hit him several times, me in particular, that’s all, they sent us further , they sent us, i don’t know which city it was , but they sent us to the bullpen, it turns out that we arrived there in the bullpen around there, well, in the middle of the day, it was 5 o’clock in the afternoon, six , somewhere like that, i don't know, but they stayed there for about 12 hours they took our uniforms, i don't know, even...

they ate our uniforms, well, i can only guess that they sold them somewhere or something, or they sell this one too, some of them even took away their berets, they were so barefoot, and then they were there for a month , we walked barefoot in socks, and one of our guys was badly wounded in the arm, a bullet hit him there, maybe not even one, they broke his arm in several places, then he was bleeding, well , he was just bleeding, he was already more than once shock paws. the cap was already so white, we wrapped his hand around it as best we could, simply they took him, took off his t-shirt, tore off the sleeve , wrapped his arm, but we thought that maybe they would provide some kind of medical help, but no, they said that if you survive, you will survive, if you don't survive, then you're not lucky, they also questioned everything, how, they bought us trains once, well, we went to a supermarket somewhere or something, there were amber curds, cookies, something like that, they bought them somewhere and gave us this one. to eat, and they gave two

packs of sega, well, you can say that, the most humane people were from those who will be further, let's say this, and this one, after that night we were without the warning has already been taken further. then there were the russian military and these ufin employees in blue uniforms, well, how can the police say, then we were transported to luhansk sizo, we stayed there for a month, i think, we were also interrogated there, some were asked, well, i was lucky, there you can say there were three different investigators, well... i got into one that is normal, some guys, here we have a few people from the cell from the cell, one by one, they took several people for the whole day, some guys, they got to such two lieutenants that they said that if you

guys, if you go into the office and see the flag of ukraine on the floor, it means that you are unlucky, they beat you there with a slipper, you know, they beat you with a slipper. and they put bullets on their heads, they told stories, they strangled them like that , and they even wanted to shoot one of them, well, to scare this one too, but everything was fine, they just beat him and that was it, then, well, i was also caught there alone in some kind of video to appear, not even in two, in two videos, they also hit me several times, well, that's all and i took off. and so the person was not really beaten, that's it it turns out that at 10 o'clock we had an adboy , that's all they said adboy, we already went to bed and i didn't even have time to fall asleep, when our camera opens and they call the last name of 10 people, and here we are taken to an unknown

place, at first they threw us into the pit, threw us around like cattle , it was just 44 people in my opinion, we all sat down. that is , you sit down with your legs to the side and another person sits down in front of you, you hug him, and they tie them all together with something heavy and so on, so that no one there escapes, nothing, then they brought us to the airport, well, at first i thought it was for an exchange, i was so happy, but then i realized that it was not for an exchange, because i heard that there was one of them at the airport, we didn't even see where we were. where are we going, because they put a cap on our head and tied it with tape, then we arrived at the airport and one says to the other, the russians, like, say that this, now, a bird from the severer will fly, well, that is, a plane from somewhere, then we

were transferred in the garages, we didn’t see anything either, we just drove and that’s all, and then we arrive, they open, i hear the gate opens, we drive in. well, they just threw us out on the asphalt one by one, threw us out , asked us our name, surname, position, and then forward somewhere forward, forward, and this time we went into some kind of room, something like a temporary cell, that is, just a grid without a door, and i heard that all the guys were there, that there were a lot of us there, that they were all nearby, right next to me, i could have touched someone else, but i didn't see anyone or anything. and he couldn't find his own either, and then you hear that there are several people each they are taking us somewhere, someone is listening to the russian national anthem , they are singing, we were told to just stand , whoever sits down, well, in a word, they were

so good, i’ll tell you, very strong, then when i entered the cell, i was all blue behind was there, and the other boys were also all blue, well, i was still relatively lucky, some... were even luckier, someone was just hit there two or three times and that was it, and some guys, well, i won't say who, well, one, for example , the authorities generally told him, then he was lying down until the end, they said that he should lie down, alone i went head-on, one of them broke the glinostop, there were many people who fell down, lost consciousness, they transferred me to the cell, at first. in 23 there was a cell for six people, the cells were different, there were two people, there were also single ones, well, i did not come across such a one, in general there were from two to 14 people in a cell, but we had a cell for six people, i am coming i also look at all the blue ones, the same as me, and this one

at first, and the first day, the guys have already been sitting there for a long time, it already turns out, as it happened on the second day. on the first day at all they didn't give me anything to eat, the second day they gave me a little soup for lunch, a spoonful of potatoes for dinner, and a piece of bread. well, you can say that we were simply starved, well, i don't know, i didn't count by spoonfuls, but in general there were about five spoons of kacha and a piece of bread, and there was no porridge there , neither salty nor sweet at all, and the tea was also like that no, it’s not for a day, it’s for one meal, i.e. breakfast, for example, or at school, and this one, for lunch there were first and second, the first was soup and the second was also porridge, well, the soup there used to be such that... here i am i remember in december, we were given one spoonful , how to say, of food there, but the attitude was

very bad, we were forced to stand all the time, at first, for the first few days, we still sat there, but then we were already told that we could not sit, that we have to stand, they wanted us to stand for 16 hours, i was fine at first, my legs didn't swell for the first year, but then a year later they started to swell too and they still swell, so we stood, they made us stand for five. once a day to sing the national anthem of russia, well, there were such days of exception, which is a lot more often it was there and they sang 20 times, well, on average , they sang the national anthem five times a day, that's how the day started, that is, you are sleeping, you hear the national anthem of russia, you all have to get up urgently, form a column towards the door and sing sing along with the anthem, after that immediately charge for 15 minutes. it’s charging, how to explain it, well, just to get us even more fed up, then after charging

we clean for half an hour, and then it’s breakfast, after breakfast we just stand, they forced us to constantly learn all their propaganda, their kind of nonsense, there about general zhukov about the second world war, the poems were forced to learn more than 30 poems, and the poems are named... poor type russia or russia russia russia or beloved russia and then everything was then interviewed every morning, every morning there was a morning check, there should have been more and the evening one, but it was only the morning one, then they opened each cell one by one, then it took about an hour in total, and they took out the whole cell, outside the cell we moved only bent, so to speak. hands behind, they were moving like that, and we are running out of the cell, eyes, told to keep the eyes closed,

well, how to move, i don’t know, well, i tried to cover one eye and this one, and while we were standing in the corridor, one of them was checking the camera to see if there were any, well , extra objects, it was like that and just like that i was beaten, well, this rarely happened to me, in general, once five or six times, once for several months. just like that, they took it and filled it with a shocker on the genitals, they beat 30 people out of 200 of us with tuberculosis there and under bad conditions, because there was a lot of dampness there and it was very cold and they ate, well, they ate very badly, even one guy who was with us sat, then this one fine day, he was very afraid of contracting tuberculosis, one fine day the door just opened, his name was called, and there he was still sobbing. well, so that he had tuberculosis and was taken away and forced into another cell, when we arrived in vyazma, we were given to write letters twice, this time, the first

time according to the template, that is, the way they wrote there, that is how we had to rewrite them, like, i'm healthy, everything is fine, and they're feeding me perfectly, something like that, and then a week later they gave me to write again in my own words, but they said that if we write something wrong, then they simply won't send it, that's all, after that there was no communication, i was already thinking there... i will sit for 30 years, to be honest, and then one fine day, this is january 3 , the door opens, and my name is called and they take me out , they hit me a few more times to say goodbye, threw me into a truck and took me somewhere, i didn't believe it even then, even then, to be honest, i didn't believe it, i thought it was just somewhere , well, we are being transported to another place , to another prison. especially since there was a guy sitting across from me who already said he was eight changed these institutions. yes, and then

they brought us to the airport, on the plane, that's it, and they already treated us in a certain way, already when we flew back much better, already, well, they said that we didn't raise our heads, but they didn't bandage us, that's not the case anymore beat, then the plane landed. and i look like this, and there the buses are blue, and even though we were told not to raise our heads, i was so tall, i looked, i looked at the buses, then i was already 99% sure that on but not yet 100. a hundred already when i sat down in bus and once again decided to take a chance, i look, there is an inscription on and by the airport belgorod, well, belgorod is near ukraine, and then i realized that the people didn't understand

what i told you, i was so happy that i couldn't even express my emotions, somehow i just couldn't believe it, i just couldn't believe it, there is a decoder. the boys were crying, but it was so unusual, kapets, and then for several days this apathy passed, then i too am so happy, kapets and i am still happy, my mother and grandmother were very happy, they are still on the phone, i just called, very they were happy and then they also cried, there they hugged, that's it and i was very happy to see them, there are also many friends, everyone is happy, i am still lucky that i have... compared to some other guys , i am still fine, the only thing is that i have a little problem with my legs, my legs are really they hurt, yes, well, everything is fine, in fact, the sled broke a little, i became 4 cm lower, well, we stood there all the time like that, before i had this idea that there are no bad nations, there are bad people, well, now i it's hard, it's not hard to still

hold that thought, crazy people are just, well, i don't know, they're... really simple they got some satisfaction from the fact that they didn't beat us, mocked us, questioned all this nonsense, forced us to whistle, then questioned us, why do this i don't understand, it's not normal. greetings, good evening, my name is myroslava barchuk, this is a self-titled program, a joint

project of espresso tv channel and ukrainian pen. today we will talk about a cultural project that caused a scandal. which is still raging in the ukrainian networks, is a rap musical called "ti romantyka", and this is such a musical album, which tells the story of the shot revival and generally about this history of ukraine from the 17th to 37th years, i.e. this is such a musical-historical project, why such different assessments from a masterpiece. to profanity, why do we hear such contrasting assessments and what does this public debate signal? i invited lyuba yakymchuk, a poet, screenwriter, to the conversation today, by the way, she is a researcher of the life and work of mykhailo semenko, the poet of the executed revival, i congratulate lyuba, i congratulate you, myroslava, and the poet, philologist,

teacher of ukrainian literature, halyna kruk, will join. see us later, she is now is abroad, but she will join the conversation later, because she also has her own opinion and assessment of this cultural project, so there is such a creative association of moore, these are young people who are engaged in the popularization of ukrainian literature in their own way, they actually this project about which i am talking about, as i said, in 17 different compositions, in 17 different... tracks , they talk about historical events and poets of the shot revival. the release of the album you are romantic actually caused such an absolute storm in ukrainian social networks and in general, in the cultural environment, this is what you

see these young people, people who have actually prepared this, created this rapmsicle. come on let's start with an excerpt, a bright excerpt from the album you are romantic, please, mykhailo hail, hail semi, komykh, mnkom, khalko, mykhailo semenko, in essence, critics, let them watch in panic, i will scream, panic, i will scream poems, ladies they will roar, i want savages in the hall, i will still fall in love. the ukrainian avant-garde will take care of you, they will enter you every day as if they were at work. i write poetry, i do poetry, like

so, i deliberately chose lyuba, the track dedicated to mykhailo semenko, because i 'm interested to know how you actually perceive this kind of aesthetics and this approach, this kind of optics, how you perceived this project and in particular this track about semenko, and i i saw it in the news, i didn't see that there was a wave of discussion on facebook in the evening... i sometimes fall out of facebook there, but i saw it in the news, in the news, and at first i was happy with this news, and i opened video, and i didn't get started, i started

flipping through, and i saw this, this is exactly this passage, and i thought that this audacity that is shown there, the audacity of the seven, it is appropriate in terms of the interpretation of his poetry, and because he was like that... of course, this is modern interpretation , i.e. in such terms, in such words, it could not be then, but even i am okay with that, here, but, here is this phrase, i was immediately very affected by it, i am poetry, it is simple, ah-ah, and they , at some point i thought, and now they are doing to us what semenko did back then. e with writers and such a symbolic one tolkemenko, who broke in, already having , by the way, one book also in such a symbolic style, who broke into literature and declared

that he was burning his kobzar, he made such a revolution in literature and began to write futuristic poetry, i thought that they were doing something such, but paying attention to the aesthetic level of these texts, that is, in general , i'm talking about all this... opera, rap opera, that's how they describe it, although there may be a lot of hip-hop, here's the recitative, just somehow reading, but from this context, ah, well, i can’t get to the bottom of it, because this was a person who had an education, who was educated in poetry, who understood what kind of literary process she came into, and these guys, girls from the wall, they, in my opinion, ... it is clear what kind of literary process they got into, and these are such new converts who do not really understand, and what has already

happened to them in this sense, what has been created, they know something and obviously they know our taras somtomenko film, i am co-writer of two films about the house of words about the shot revival of the documentary game, and it is clearly visible from the quotes they use there. whole scenes from our film, sound such scenes are introduced, it is visible, but for example, they themselves talk about it in an interview, that they do not know other projects, they do not know the foxtrot project, they, i don't know, i don't know whether there was a comment about this project, the gunpowder and the whip of this band about the shot revival , too, but they did not understand what we were doing here, and before they appeared, and this is the big difference between the futurists and them, and here it's me on this, this, this, with poetry, it is of course us

offends, but i also understand, well, that is, it forms an attitude towards poetry that i really do n’t like, i don’t think that a poet could write such a thing about poetry, because poetry is generally something so sacred, even for simenko, something like , that we... protect and idolize a little bit, we don't have so many readers of poetry, they got a wall, a press release came out, and we will show it, and they say about this, we wrote this album clearly drawing parallels with modernity , we have sausyura in the third assault room, so it's such an illusion of the third company, the kurbas hold the cultural front, and the fate of the river resembles the fate of a man in the occupied territories who is still trying. to preserve dignity, even under such circumstances, and look, the last phrase interested me, and mykhailo semenko teaches listeners with a cheap

provocation, so... this, it just seems to me that this is some kind of strange evaluation judgment about the cheap cheap provocation of semenko, or i i'm wrong, was it something like that somewhere, no, it 's not cheap, it already happened, it's what semenka was accused of because of his performance like that shevchenko, here, but it was not a cheap provocation, and even now such a provocation by semenko is relevant, because indeed shevchenko was canonized and... it is clear that in ukrainian society, society, and it was 1914, the year of the centenary of his birth shevchenko, here in ukrainian society you hear that it was painful for shevchenko to be imprisoned, it was very painfully perceived, his bookstores threw him away, they did not want to sell him as a book in some bookstores, it was not sold everywhere , although it was such a pamphlet, well, these are details

in... that's it, but the provocation was not cheap, there was a problem with shevchenko, who, in which we have already lost, what a stake, in which we lost a person, and somenko was exactly the one who wanted to return this person, and his whole life he confirmed this, he was the editor of the film taras shevchenko by chardinin, he ran a column about shevchenko in the new generation, he was one of those who contributed a lot to... popularizing shevchenko and reinterpreting him in a new way, and about which he stated that you then, well, it was not exactly a cheap provocation. and should we wait? from such projects, there is such an argument that from such projects, this is a pop project, this is a project for teenagers, should we expect and approach such a project with such a measure of quality, with some kind of

perfectionism, or should they be? to be literate or perfect are such musical projects? but you can talk a lot about it, for example, the comment made by the ukrainian editor oleksandr stukalo, evaluating this project, he said that if we sit there for 10 years over books, we will have such projects appear once in five years, and here but here they were read and done very quickly for several months. but my thesis is completely different , my thesis is that it is possible to make high-quality projects and popular projects, light ones that are easy to enter, to make them of high quality, involving scientists, for example, yarina tsymbal, who was also a consultant for our film with taras, our script, to give these texts of yours, to read them to a wider circle, at least to your friends, some poets, acquaintances, in order to

get their feedback as well. adjust, if tarac and i released our first script of our documentary and fiction feature film, and i think we would just be killed by critics and connoisseurs of the shot revival, but we worked for a long time , we gave readings, we attracted a professional audience, including writers, oksana zabushko read our feature film and made comments that we there took into account here they can tell you that before this project, i understand that i had a relationship. sergey is eager for tyromantika, as i understand it, he just read one text, and i am not sure that he reads the entire script, knowing sergey's schedule and knowing him well, well rather, in a friendly way, it seems to me that the most detailed analysis of the tyromantyk project, at least from what i saw on the networks, was made by galina kruko, a poet, and what is important for us, a teacher of literature in

lviv... galina talks about that illiterate or unclear wording, both about poets, about the work of poets, about their personalities, about historical events, may not help such a potential target audience of teenagers, but, on the contrary , disorient them. halyna kruk, we are in touch, galya, i congratulate you, good one. thank you for that found an opportunity to join. good evening. we are talking now, but lyuba has already spoken about mykhailo semenko, yes, and the interpretation of mykhailo semenko in the poet, in the teromantika project, you wrote very clearly that...