to your leadership to sit down at the table of transitions, such a discourse is also fueled, but what successes, both outside and inside ukraine, do you expect to be able to turn aside, it seems, a white cloth, as the pope said, over his head we raise, well , look, i'll start with the second one, yes, the so-called truce and stop there. as putin says on the ground, yes, taking into account territorial conquests, in fact, and this does not work with the russian federation, i have recently been studying the experience of russia's negotiations a lot, for example, if we remember the finnish war, and the so-called winter war of the 39th year, then finland was finally forced to conclude a peace treaty there. treaty with the russian federation,

giving it a significant part of its territory, but at the same time russia was again preparing for war with finland and intended to capture all of finland, mannerheim, the leader of finland, after that the president, ah, and this was prevented only by the position hitler's germany, which had its own interest. not to let stalin get to some nickel deposits there, and so on, and that is interesting the experience of our baltic countries, and which actually concluded annexations and occupations at the request of moscow just the day before, and again, and agreements on cooperation, on peace, there was no war in them yet. and it was on the basis of these

treaties that putin, excuse me, stalin later, ah, came up with various excuses to annex these territories and join them to the soviet union. therefore, if you show me, or who here are supporters of this point of view, that it is necessary to stop and hold negotiations, yes, ah, some example when these negotiations were successful, well, with the russian federation, yes, when they led to lasting peace. well, it will be interesting, i will listen to everything with pleasure , and maybe i will really change my point of view , so far and taking into account my experience, including in the tripartite contact group, and at the minsk negotiations, i am absolutely 100% sure that if even some negotiations are possible, then they are possible as a tactical measure to simply gain time, yes to prepare for a new war, but it must be taken into account that the same... time will also be given to russia, and it

will prepare for war, and it will to achieve its goal, the capture of ukraine , which it repeatedly declared through the mouths of the same putin, medvedev and others, so it must be understood, simply, and it must be understood that putin will not stop, moreover, if we agree to such negotiations, when putin considers , that he has a stronger position than ours, as he now believes, and this... will be a signal to putin that ukraine is weak and it is necessary to really press it further and to achieve its goal, i.e. the destruction of ukrainian statehood , this is the first, and sorry, this is the second question i will answer, i will answer the first one, because it is very interesting, ah, and it seems to me that no one is talking about this in principle in ukraine, yes, but it seems to me that it is not by chance that all these conversations have really intensified now, but about the negotiations and from putin's side, and from the side, well...

let's say, his agents of influence, as i believe , yes, that is, the chinese came there to us, and to them, and orban, and erdogan, again offers his own there , my platform for negotiations, not papa, ah, i will not comment on this person, and that is, it is not accidental, why, but if you simply monitor putin's latest statements, and especially in connection with the raids of the rdk. yes, the volunteer , russian volunteer corps there on the territory of the russian federation, ah, and his, ah, well, courtiers, i think, political scientists, yes, who are a narrow circle there, they are very worried in moscow now, they see the intention of the event , as they say, not to recognize the legitimacy of putin after the election, that is, not to recognize the election, so putin , of course, that after he is not recognized, and they assume there, i do not say that it will happen. carried out by the event, but they see

signs of this in moscow suggest this option and are very worried about it, and that is why they are trying now to send a signal to putin, that is, to the west, putin is trying... to send a signal that he is ready for negotiations, that he can give the west what he thinks that the west wants, yes, that is, on the basis of negotiations , to stop this aggression where it is, ah, it is clear that if it is recognized as illegitimate, then there will be no talk of negotiations with putin, and this will be a very serious signal to the russian elites, yes, because putin will already be, as they say, a beaten duck, and that's why its value in russia. and in geopolitics will drop sharply, and this is a serious signal to the russian elites, and that is why putin is now trying to prevent this with his statements and the statements of his agents of influence about his readiness for negotiations, that's all.

mr. sergey, why then, that is, we understand, you explained everything very well and summarized why people like erdogan, some other world leaders continue to talk about the fact that... the negotiations will be about the fact that they are impossible without russia, they even name specific countries that need an invitation to send and so on, here russia says that we will not go to switzerland, but there are organizers and they continue to huddle, we must, we must, russia must, why is this happening, well, look, mostly those who make good money from this war say this, yes, and who earns. precisely because both ours and yours, as they say, that is, the same erdogan, the same chinese, yes, they seem to take a neutral position, at the same time, they are, well, big hubs for circumventing the sanctions that the west imposed on russia, so they understand that they, and russia, are interested in them, and ukraine

they are interested, and the west is interested in them, and they use it simply to achieve their economic interests, but such a peacemaker. rhetoric at the same time, well, it is simply profitable, because who will throw a stone both in moscow and in kyiv and in the west, who will throw a stone at a person who says that let's go to peace, yes, and that's why i think that it is hypocrisy is primarily due to one's own economic interests, that is, the desire to make money from this war. and why do you think the russian elites still stick to the same... putin is not shunned and only in in the future, we have, as you said, an option when they will already be disappointed and rush that rover? well, i did not say that they will necessarily be disappointed, yes, because the russian elites are not ukrainian elites, in fact, they have no competition among themselves,

political competition, they have no opposition after the death of navalny, there is none at all, yes the opposition, they are even, excuse me, we have in ukraine, look, we have three... russian military units, but russian, i will say, not russian, yes, the red army command, the siberia battalion, it seems, and the free russia legion, yes, ah, and they are among themselves, well , yesterday, the day before yesterday, we saw joint actions, but at the political level, literally today i read the head of the rdk interview in ukrainian pravda, and he says there that they have different political directions in general , yes, that is... they can't agree among themselves, so this is really a signal to the russian elites that something needs to be done, but whether they will be able to do something while putin controls everything, i'm not sure, frankly, the only thing well, the only

calculation for the pressure of the west on, well, influential people, the same patrushev, whom, by the way, is now i see that they are moving away from influence little by little, and because, apparently, putin sees... a serious person, that is, serious competition, well, that is, these, so to speak, hopes that the russian elites will do something there, ah, well, i have not very big, but the history of russia says that everything changes very quickly, in principle, yes, and that everything can flare up in one day, well, by the way, what happened with the prigozhin putsch, yes, who expected that he it will be like this, but serhii, look, there were billions given by putin from the budget, the army was beautiful, which was trained in the destruction of africans in africa, yes, prigozhina had combat experience on the ukrainian front, that is, at least it is clear here, and why do you

believe that something can change in russia now without prigozhina, if the widow herself navalny came up with, well... a formula, i have never heard such a terrible resistance to a criminal regime, you have to come at 12 o'clock on the day of putin's election, stand and disperse, well... this is a real formula, that's what they are capable of, it's not even , no, no, no, not slavery, it's like that a piece of cake, after which, except for monty python's theater of the absurd, you have to go, then who will be able to change something there, look, well , first of all, vdava navalna, she is not a politician, i am not sure that she even wants to be a politician, yes, she is now, what i see, doing what is expected of her, but to have just the strategic... thinking that her husband had, one way or another, well, she doesn't have that, she doesn't have political experience, so

now she'll come up with something to remind herself of, well, at least her latest washington post op-ed seems to be about that it is not necessary to recognize putin as the president after the elections, well, we can say that there is a definite plus from this, yes, at least it is a signal of the future, and as for who will change, you know, they say, a person does not change. yes, and i believe that a person changes if the circumstances of his life change, if the circumstances of his life do not change, a person lives in comfort, then why should he change, and if there is no comfort, yes, life changes, then the person changes accordingly, and we see how the circumstances of life are changing in russia today, we see how the circumstances of life are changing literally right now in belgorod, yes, we see how the circumstances of life are changing at russian gas stations now, yes... we see that even putin is nervous, when putin in general, remember,

commented on something, some kind of high-profile event at once, so, here, there was a raid of the rdk the day before yesterday, and on the same day putin commented on it, and it is still going on, but i would say that these are raids, that is, they enter and you leave, unfortunately, they do not get any territory , although this is also an interesting point, when putin commented on this... he said that a the purpose of this raid is to exchange ukraine, i.e. capture this territory and then exchange it for the territory currently occupied by russia in ukraine, i.e. for putin this is a real option, unfortunately, for now we go in and out, but we do not hold, we do not control this for a certain time territory in order to really exchange it later, but in his cities, yes in his head, if he misses such a goal for kyiv, then this is a real option for him. that is, he is not as confident, so to speak , in his own security, in the security of russian

borders, as he shows it. ugh. sir serhiy, we have, we are actually monitoring what is happening across the russian border all the time, and now they are already writing that there are two dead in belgorod, such other things, against the background of what is happening in ukraine, it is generally true, it is them they write that the military today destroyed four servicemen of the russian army. volunteers in the armed forces, this has already been verified, you mentioned that the forces, the volunteer forces fighting in russia against the russian regular troops, actually do not have common political views among themselves, or in this way, can they actually achieve something on the battlefield in such a situation, or do they still have to somehow think and agree on joint actions, because there are actually not many of them anyway, well, look, they have... political differences, unfortunately, but they have a common and political goal, which is the overthrow

of the putin regime, so in this regard they can cooperate together, under the leadership of our guru, that is, our military, and quite effectively, and this shows exactly what is happening now and it started there two days ago, so they can work together, i unfortunately, i am not sure that they will be able to work together again... to overthrow the putin regime, and i think we should work on this now, because look at what is emerging: if there are really measures to disrecognize the elections by both ukraine and the west , then we have to wonder if we have recognized putin and the leadership of russia as legitimate, and what next? then, logically, let's create an opposition russian government ourselves, maybe somewhere in ukraine in the russian embassy. let him sit and give him subjectivity in his eyes of the west as well, and this will be an interesting and

, well, in my opinion, a useful development of just this strategy, which is currently taking place, the weakening of the putin regime, but the creation of, and how to make a bet here, even if we were to play it , in fact, such a cheki-bolshevik option to gather four or five people there i know some finnish communists and the finnish government asked us to come. army, and who will we put the government on then? who should it be khadarkovskiy, kasparov, navalny's widow, who? in ukraine there is not even in my opinion, a unified vision of how we can... create, you know, i think in this case it's unprincipled, whoever we want to create as an entity, everyone else will gravitate to him, because there is no single center now, and this is the kind of moment we need, there is no single center, yes, okay, who will be there, it depends on us, mr. serhiy, thank you, we heard interesting thoughts, ideas,

serhiy garmash, our colleague, journalist, analyst, and he once represented, in fact, was the representative of donetsk in the minsk tripartite. the group now just about these negotiations, which they either want or don't want , and now we have the opportunity to summarize everything that is happening right now on the border, but from the side of the russian federation, we are in touch with a former member of the state duma, a russian opposition politician, now our citizen, ilya ponomaryov, mr. ilya, i am glad to welcome you, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, good day, mr. ilya, please tell me here... one question all morning and there is no one to ask, but i can definitely ask you, three units, this is the legion of freedom of russia, rbc, and in sibirska , there have been actions for three days, they are looking at what is happening right now at this very moment, and one question is bothering me all the time, when along the same routes, but quite

quickly, beautiful men were moving and killing russian cops right and left, then knocked down airplanes are something else from him, and from him they made an icon, an iconostasis , they stole flowers from navalny and carried them to prigozhin, well, they used him as in new idols; could such a phenomenon also arise as a result of the actions of volunteers of the russian armed forces? he will never be beautified like that, but we will never glorify such anti-putin people, well, first of all, everything will be different. because the issue with prigozhin there was with this same person who was very famous, very famous among russians, he was a well-known fraudster, criminal, but a bright charismatic figure, now i heard here what you just talked about with sergey, such a single

object there is no unifying figure in the russian opposition, but... there is such a new force that is already being created, which is made up of these same battalions, subdivisions, which is being discussed here, and i believe that serhiy said everything very correctly, that there is already a question of creating a new government there and an alternative to putin, and precisely because now there will be the same so-called. elections, and something, something must appear, if not putin, then who? if not putin, then who, the question is for you, mr. ilya, and would you be ready to be this head of the new russian government in exile, so that it does not happen, as serhii says, that razbrot and shataniya cannot come to an agreement anyway, would you personally be ready? well,

of course, i believe that this is what should be done, i believe that the only way is to make this government in exile. inside ukraine. and are you ready to lead it? of course. tell me, please, and how far do you think this raid is ready, both morally and physically, to make its way to the north, from the north of ukraine, to belgorod region, kurshchyna, to all oblasts, briyanshchyna, in those regions where i am now there are gray areas. well, look, we're a little limited right now. in terms of military equipment, that is, we do not have our own artillery, we have there mortar, everything else, but our artillery in ukraine is all western, and now, western weapons cannot be used on the territory of the russian federation, and if you saw there, there are also tanks, they are soviet-made and,

but nothing happened to bradley today , bradley is fine too, mayd in... no, we have some trophy trophy armored vehicles there and all that stuff, but it can't be a massive thing there, and that's why prigozhin didn't have such restrictions, we have them , and i believe that there are gradually these so-called reds lines from the side of our western partners, they will move, but now there are still... restrictions exist, and that is why further than there 30-40 km from the border, we simply cannot go, and this will determine the huge losses of our fighters, well, simply .

what is hindering now is this split within the russian opposition, the uncertainty on the part of ukraine, on the part of poland, on the part of other countries, which prevents recruiting and fundraising for these units, but the understanding that this war, it will end exclusively in moscow , if necessary right there and finish where it originated, where there is the first source. of this problem, this understanding is already emerging, and if it is necessary to destroy putinism there, then you need to have a tool for

this and nothing else, except the russians themselves, who are ready to destroy putinism with weapons in their hands, we will not come up with anything, ugh, i would i wanted to ask you, mr. ilya, we saw the events that took place after they were finally returned. navalny's body was buried there and they stretched out for two whole days, and in this case, well, we have a survey in ukraine there were, will this history become the point of no return, boiling and russian anti-putin rebellion, and i will tell you honestly, i have not seen anywhere more than 5% of ukrainians who voted that they believe in it, all the rest wrote that they do not believe , now i see, i still don't believe. yes, now we see two more games. the first game is so gentle, they say, there is such a smiling uncle, vladyslav davankov, let’s just vote for him, but not for putin,

that’s all, but the second option is from yulia navalnya, we couldn’t understand it at all, i rehearsed three times, let's go at 12 o'clock we will come, stand and disperse , and here are two scenarios, and what will happen to them, well, first of all,... i believe that the death of navalny is the death of the so-called peaceful protest, we have one minute, sir - here the same thing, as you said, about a gentle protest, that 's what died, davankov is just another putin, the only real way, this is an armed protest, this is the legion of freedom of russia, this is the rdc, this is different, and i believe that now more and more oppositionists will join exactly this path, to the armed struggle, that's right, not a word madilo, member of the state duma of the russian federation , an oppositionist in the past, and possibly the future leader of the new russian government in exile. have a peaceful and safe day, take care

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we summarize the informative morning in ukraine in espresso news broadcasts. khrystyna parubiy works in the studio. russians wounded two people in donetsk region. the enemy dropped three guided aerial bombs on the village of maksimivka. one person was injured there. at least 10 houses were destroyed. one more wounded in the temporary yar. the russians covered the city with artillery, the regional police said. the enemy hit the village of romanivka with hail. shells hit two private houses. five buildings were damaged in new york.