it is not even a fact that the ministry of defense will purchase them in comparison with the standard armor plates with table plates. well, if we talk about ceramic armor in general, today ukraine has the highest requirements for ceramic armor in the world. it happened in such a very strange way that we took the american standard for the endurance of the plates, it is up to a drop from two meters, there is an impression of bullets, but at the same time a slaughter. recorded the indicators for armor injury, which were in the ukrainian standard, it is 25 mm, so today the requirements for armor plate in us the highest in the world, the ministry of defense after the situation with the fact that they received samples of the 545 project of the russian angle, which has very high test properties, today we are switching to ceramic armor as much as possible , if we talk about the production of ceramic armor there by artisanal means, this is actually one

situation and it cannot give a permanent result, if we talk about industrial production, then there is only one installation of vacuums for pressing armor plates, it is 600 00 € of investment, it requires a lot of equipment, but the understanding is that if we we say that we have a million-strong army, it should be equipped with bulletproof vests, then such enterprises should be built, they should be today, speaking for a series. there was no production, that is, until now there is only one company in ukraine, that is tem-300, which has, i don’t know at what technological level , the possibility to produce ceramic armor plates, everything that others tried to produce is more some constant development, and this is simply imported from china of very low quality, if we take into account the needs of ukraine army, then there is no other way out, we need two, three, four for mass production. a factory

for the production of armored plates in order to provide the ukrainian army for the future , detiričchi, well, then, i will mark a moment for myself, that is, despite the fact that armored vests with a ceramic plate will be more expensive, the ministry of defense, understanding the requirements of the battlefield, is really ready already raise the bar of the purchase price and focus on the fact that body armor should be with ceramics, and this will be the most optimal solution, so it turns out, that's right, they've already made those purchasing decisions. which took place from november to december of that year, were held only for ceramic armor, but at the same time there will be a minimum of 10-15 thousand each, due to the fact that the requirements for ceramic armor are high, they purchase only ceramic armor today, that is, they had huge problems with delivery times , with the fulfillment of orders, but the ministry of defense and other units of the defense forces of ukraine purchase only ceramic armor from metal armor today. already

refused, well, this is news for me and it's good news in fact, but against this background , foreign suppliers of their bulletproof vests did not become more active, what is the situation with competition between our products and foreign ones, or is it now somehow leaning in the direction of our manufacturers? well, if we talk about the situation, there is also a very difficult situation, because the dot publicly announces that he needs to buy products as cheaply as possible, that is, he should buy without any difference. is it in ukraine or to buy it abroad, in order to make it as simple as possible for foreign manufacturers to enter, that was it added conditions, agreements, that now not only the manufacturer company can enter the auction directly, but also with a conditional representative, that is, a branch or a branch, then today this is already allowed, we see today the interest of foreign manufacturers in the supply, that is one of the reasons side it is subst. provision

of the armed forces of ukraine, on the other hand, there are really such strategic problems that we can develop a foreign supplier instead of a domestic supplier. there are two, two problems to pay attention to, firstly, these are tax benefits, if today company, there conditionally from france, bulgaria, forces of ukraine, it will supply them in full. without vat at 100% and without postage. if a ukrainian company will produce body armor on the territory of ukraine, it will import material, only material for armor, it will be soft ballistic packages and composite elements of ceramic rafts without vat, but for everything else we will pay internal vat, that is, we have an internal vat of several percent the price will be higher, this is one hundred percent, yes, than with a foreign supplier, we will lose here, and we are a foreigner. not suppliers, most

i built my enterprise of this level with state subsidies, grants, they don't have the load of loans and investment obligations that our suppliers have today. therefore, for a domestic supplier, this situation is quite unpleasant, quite critical, well , it is not possible to do something here, because if we say the same for localization, we can protect ourselves from turkey or china, we cannot protect ourselves from european manufacturers at all, so ukrainian companies it is necessary to find some other mechanisms in order to survive and to develop, there to expect state subsidies, guarantees, benefits, preferential loans, we understand that today... war, that is , well, we need to do something, find something on our own and find a way how we can compete more effectively with companies, who have more advantages than us, well, you see such ways, conditionally speaking, you have the feeling that you can fight there with the germans, the french in our market, even though

their opportunities there are potentially greater and wider, you know, that is, we don't have any there is no other way out, yes, that is, we have no way not to fight, as in our... army, there is no way not to fight there, that is, we must ensure today the development of ukrainian defense industry, that is, the supply of products, that is, we simply have no other option exit, we need to look for mechanisms , we need to attract private investments, we need to understand how we can make the final product cheaper, what we can automate, that is, there is a slight advantage in principle in the labor force, it is cheaper with us today than in kordo . necessary to seek internal advantages at the expense of this to win. mr. maxim, thank you very much for the inclusion, for the work you do for our armed forces, you can count on our information support to fight against foreign suppliers and your competitors. and i will remind our viewers that it was maksym plekhov, the chairman of the board

of the defense sector enterprise lviv defense cluster, which, as we can see, is currently developing a number of technological components, in particular the appearance of an enterprise that will prepare ceramic armor. for bulletproof vests, this is actually, well, quite top news, and the main thing is that it really becomes the basis for such a re-equipment of the means of personal protection that our military today uses on the battlefield. and then we will talk about the company whose products the military themselves characterize as follows: we are being strangled by the enemy, your radio stations are working, that is, there really are domestic tactical level radio stations that can provide hope. communication between fighters on the battlefield in conditions where the enemy makes maximum use of radio-electronic warfare, and this project a month ago collected such venture support in the amount of 500 thousand dollars from ukrainian and foreign investors who

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we continue our "war and weapons" program and will continue to talk about the company's products last year, this company was recognized as the number one military startup in ukraine by the ministry of digital, and this year this company received such significant financial support from both ukrainian and foreign venture investors, which is repeated, such

an unexpected situation is enough for the ukrainian defense market, and in fact, this company, well, in my opinion, creates sufficiently technological products, i am glad that both kanal espresso and defense express contacted the representatives of the company and talked about these products even before this company acquired such, well, all-ukrainian recognition, and now we are joined by oleksiy oliynyk, a representative of the hemera company. mr. oleksiy, welcome to the espresso channel, glad to see and hear. now we are looking for a shooting point so that we can talk calmly and comfortably. this is exactly how it happens in combat conditions, when communication is the main thing, and the rest is actually tangential and derivative. sir welcome to the spresso channel, nice to see and hear, i would like you to tell our viewers a little about the advantages of

the chimera radio station, because of course the military knows, the specialists there know, but after all, more than two years have passed since the product has been on the market, it has certainly been transformed, so what are the advantages, how are the radio stations currently used by our military at what levels, what are the results, what are the reviews. well, two years have probably not yet passed, somewhere around two years , it will be two years soon, we have been working, we started with a small radio station of the unit, exactly , well, small radio stations of the soldier, which were created specifically for reconnaissance groups, for sniper groups, for special forces operations, these radio stations turned out to be quite, quite convenient and very convenient for people, they began to be used in many. the main of the possibilities they provide, they are resistant to suppression, they are very difficult to be detected

by enemy radio intelligence, and they are very, very budget-friendly and close to the user, that is, they can be easily programmed, they can be easily worked with by anyone with civilians, for this you don't need to be some kind of specialist ee, well, if a military person who can study for a long time, this is such a very, very smart gadget that got ee... who received, well, if all the military communication capabilities of the radio station jump on frequencies, it is difficult to transmit the radio station, they have a fully encrypted communication and... it is very difficult to do something against this, but in these almost two years, the product has changed, as i understand it , we started there from the tactical level there, and in our previous conversation you hinted to me that the military is not really using the full potential of these radio stations that are installed there, although in fact you made

them as usable as possible so that they were convenient and did not require special technical knowledge from our military. what do they need to know then, what are the additional advantages of your communication systems? now we are moving as much as possible towards the network, now we are moving towards the creation of a proper protected network, which is meant, this is, well , conditionally now going on, as they say there, a network -centric war, as, for example, a mortar calculation is now working there, he puts forward. in a position, he needs to receive some information, what is happening at the same time, i know when a flash calculation pulls from sarlink itself, it’s wrong , it’s completely, if it is, sarlink allows you to watch youtube quality there, it’s not needed exactly where it’s needed, that’s one of our current crazy ideas, we give access to

the internet to mobile groups through our radio stations, that is, for that to complete a combat mission. and the target calculation should have a new computer with them, a tablet, get out into the position , see everything they need, including the weather forecast there, everything they get, work out their combat mission in two seconds, gather and go back, and all this secure connection, and it doesn't require sstarling, but now if one of the crazy ideas, we give mobile units access to the internet through their radios, it's not really... not so much the internet, but access to a secure network, the right unit, and through this network they have access to the battlefield awareness system , the battlefield management system, they can carry out all their tasks very quickly, coolly, without making a single voice call, they see everything on the tablet screen, during the assault the commander can advance, he

he sees where his troops are located, somewhere in some area of ​​construction, because now it is happening like this, there, guys, what do you see, we see a couple of trees there, but between them there are a couple of trees opposite to you, this should not happen, the commander must see where his fighters, and he just has to have a clear command, there 20 m to the left, 5 m to the right, move forward, do this, minimum voice traffic, maximum exchange of information, here we are now fully moving and all the forces of the team are now going exactly to this direction, that is, in fact, you are approaching the shelter or already approaching the creation of a tactical. battlefield management systems, yes, where your radio stations are the basis, and you can add, let’s say, other equipment there, and there is combat or nettles, that is, whether or not even nettles and combat are not needed, all this can be done on the basis your radio stations. nettle kombat is definitely needed, it is the same software, but

the correct transport level must be protected under this software, so we provide this transport for the information of the same nettle and the same kombat. kombat is already working, nettle now is working on integration, but in fact all this rests on the correct protected communication line, well, not a line, rather a communication system, but we are moving precisely in the communication system, we will not go into the management software itself, of course it is for us it is not necessary, those people who have been developing these systems for a very long time are engaged in this, we cannot cover ourselves, but we are now making the communication system correct, normal, good and improved as much as we can, it is not as much as a radio station. radio station is only a small part of this communication system, the main thing is this still exchange of information, good, proper, fast, secure exchange of information, that is, you provide just a secure channel of communication that allows groups to operate safely, because they will be invisible when they are operating, and it will actually, well, expand the spectrum using such groups, because your radio station is much cheaper than

harris, because i understand that only harris radio station, which costs tens of thousands there, provides such capabilities. for one product, yes, everything is correct, or another starling, well, starling is it not exactly military history, now we are working on ensuring that the last 2-3 km on the battlefield there were no starlinks, there were, exceptionally correct protected communication systems, will it be ours or will it be someone else's, please, ours now have most of all the chances from the point of view, this is a mass product and well very protected, if someone else can do the same similar ones, we agree to integrate there with whoever... and now i will take a step back, because i had questions before the broadcast, standard , how much radio stations cost, where you can... purchase when we place the order when we receive them what would you say to that? er, now the current version of the first, well, the first

generation of radio stations, it is now mass -produced, you can get them, well , you can order it from us, of course, without any questions, we also give the contacts of some foundations that constantly cooperate with us, which on an ongoing basis they collect money and provide fighters with the first stations, they actually know and see them. eh, and now we have the next version, just this version already dmipro is new, it has a lot of possibilities there, it is already as close as possible to khalis, up to the point that it will distribute the internet there at a designated point, well, that’s all that is needed, if it is in the mode, everything is being developed, now we are already accepting they are pre-ordered, regular stations are released there within 1-2 days, and new stations will be released within 2 months. eh, what is the status of these radio stations in relation to our communications management, they are certified, i don't know, they are codified there, what is the process now, well

the inclusion of these radio stations in the armed forces, because we have turkish radio stations, american radio stations, everything seems to have passed the test there, how about your initiatives, this is a very interesting question, from the point of view of the state, they do not exist now, the first radio stations do not exist at all, apparently. so we are now resuming contact with oleksiy olinnyk, he is one of the active participants of the chimera project, it is the creation of protected tactical radio stations, which are used primarily by snipers, special operations forces, fighters on the front line, now we resume our conversation, mr. oleksiy, continue your opinion there, the second kind of radio station is submitted to these documents. sold, they are now being considered and we are close to getting a permit for operation and further progress in putting them into service on radio stations, and these radio stations, if they

already meet many of the correct official standards, i will not disclose now, it will be fake, but all the body these tests , which are currently taking place, satisfy me, that is, in fact, something positive really happened the dynamics in relations with the military, and when the product has good technical parameters, then... all such military begin to contribute to the fact that it reaches the military orders as soon as possible, i hope that this is the case, yes, yes, yes, the most we currently receive help from the military, well, the biggest one is, let's say, not returns, it's everything that is connected with state bodies, well, it's traditional, but what about the situation with the production itself, are there any opportunities, because i remember , in the first interviews you said that we are ready to outsource the ration to the radio station there. there any other works to increase the number of manufactured radio stations, what, what, is there already basically there, well, more opportunities to manufacture more such radio stations?

that's right, that's what happened , we outsourced it as much as possible, we have several contractors who work on the production of our radio stations, we did decentralized production, we have no problems with it, and well, actually it was created, well, from the point of view of such protection that they are not going into one. city, if necessary, we have reserve sites there, reserve ee options, contractors who can manufacture it, if necessary, we can quickly expand the production of these products in europe, well, in the nearest europe, it will most likely be poland and the baltic states, and both there and there will be opportunities to expand production precisely from the point of view of , that - the project must be decentralized, protected as much as possible from any risks, in the event that somewhere... well , god forbid it flew somewhere, we still have the opportunity to continue, it will just be some temporary losses, so we we are building our own business now and only then, and i will still

return to the question of money, because i would have remained silent, but fors forbes wrote, yes, that is, in fact, that the lviv venture fund provided you with such a substantial financing in the range of 500 thousand dollars in order to this project of yours was developing, and there even got involved, it seems... there are french investors there, which is also not unusual, uh, how, well, of course, where will the money go, what do you, how do you plan to use it, so that the investors are are satisfied with the new result and the quality of your product, where will it go, so the very first thing it was done for, it is very important for the project to move in general quickly, before, well before i won't say exactly when, we had problems with the fact that, for example, we have some funding and i need to understand for myself, are we currently buying some, well, some equipment that we need, or are we currently connecting

certain people, certain expensive specials to the project. which we need, eh, do we not have such an opportunity, because then next month i will not have the opportunity, for example, to pay the salary, now we do not have such eh, well these investments were made precisely in order for us to move, uh, we definitely, i definitely understand that we need it, we are now making a decision and after two hours this process is already moving, we definitely understand that we need to purchase this, we simply initiate the procurement process and it goes, and it greatly speeds up the process, er actually, well, funds. which you are talking about, they announced them just now, they actually started appearing in our place a little earlier, and this is very correct, and we have greatly accelerated all processes there in the last two months, and this is actually the main thing, that is , the money is not theirs, it is not that it is enough for the project to accelerate many times and start moving much faster, because the investors who invested in us, that is, if we were from such points of view approached investors, it

should be investors who share. our views, which need to win quickly, no, there is no need to make money right now, we need to speed up the victory there as quickly as possible, saturate the troops with good, reliable communication and so on, and it is precisely such investors that we themselves as if they were washing themselves, they share these views and we work exactly like this, this is the meaning of these investments to speed up as much as possible, not in the sense that - there this project should grow from the price or something else, and the speed is maximum. here's what we need , now there's no problem with that, it's just that what we need, we, if, we know exactly what we need, it's solved very quickly, if you have the law of money, it's a very cool thing, and oleksiy, i know that in fact, there were several foreign exhibitions in a number of foreign countries, and your company is already there showed its products, what was the reaction of potential foreign buyers or

foreign competitors. did they approach, what did they ask there, or what did they try to find out, what is the effect of the appearance of these radio stations at international arms exhibitions? er, not very few people in general, er, if they believe that this is possible, they, they see the product and well, like this cannot be like that, that does not happen, but it is all there, it works, well, that’s how it is it is, it works, the first reaction is that it can't actually be like that, but... well, it's so interesting, yes if they are now, i don’t know about them , i guess it’s like there are stages, they are now in the stage of acceptance that such a product exists at all, it exists, what will happen next, we don’t know yet, i think it’s early or later there they will try to do something about it, that we are like that, we exist like that, and physically we should not exist, in general, our network and the project itself, it is quite such a crazy project, well, in the positive sense of the word, and well, it

causes there a lot. but we will fight, but we will fight. thank you very much for inclusion, for these explanations, because they provide such optimism, regarding the fact that our potential allows us to create samples that foreign observers, well, perceive as madness or as fiction. let me remind you that it was oleksiy oliynyk, a representative of the chimera company, which manufactures, well, tactical-level radio stations, which has cool eyes. station, you saw for yourself, and the main conclusion after talking with our directors is that they are really determined to create a competitive product, even in conditions where they have to resist pressure or competition from leading foreign companies, and sometimes they have to rely primarily on their own efforts to find investors, when the state is delayed in financing those projects that are really capable of improving the efficiency of

the armed forces. on the battlefield these were the main points of this war and weapons program. stay tuned to the espresso channel. there will be many more interesting things to come. in ukraine, news time is at 6 p.m. on the espresso tv channel in the studio of iryna koval. greetings to all viewers the number of people injured as a result of a rocket attack on odesa has increased. 73 people were injured.