it is being said now, but obviously we will see some result. mr. sergey, for ethical reasons and for the reasons of a person who is a citizen of a country that has become a victim of aggression, i will not question the words of volodymyr zelenskyi, i would very much like them to be embodied directly on the battlefield, and then, i i think we will all be grateful, just as the president is grateful... to the workers of the ukrainian defense and industrial complex, i am fully aware that it is not within our competence to discuss what may happen tomorrow rockets will appear, or in what quantity, how they can appear, but when it is seen that during the last month the costs of attacks on fortifications are increasing, the question arises, who and what was thinking next,

and what were the conclusions? this is despite the fact that, for these almost 700, 50 days, there were different moments in our struggle with russia, there were also relative lulls, i don't want to talk about it now, i want to return to something else. i think both you and our viewers remember how by the forces of the armed forces of ukraine with the help of ukrainian... neptune was sunk by a missile cruiser moscow, right? tell me, have you seen , have you heard, that we communicate this with our nato partners, that we remind about it, for example, in the turkish media, do something similar to such an information show and talk about it, because thanks to the fact that moscow is at the bottom , turkey began to dominate completely in the black sea, russia... ceased to be

just its competitor, you understand, that is, we have to speak with our partners in the language of our common interests, and the missile cruiser moscow is with russian vocabulary, murderers aircraft carriers, the fact that the killer of aircraft carriers has turned into a diving object, how is it treated in the american sixth fleet? we were somehow interested in this, i just mean that... we should not only thank our manufacturers for the fact that they support and strengthen our defense capability, this is quite natural, but we should communicate our victories, this should also elevate morale and talk about our future successes, we must create an atmosphere that allows us to be convinced of further successes, and not just react to russia's attempts.

to sow despair and doubts and various problems in ukraine. this is what , i think, our joint task actually consists of today. well, that is, the russians are much more effective in spreading their information than we are. because their state information machine is subordinated to a single interest. in order to destroy our independence. and in our state information there are different interests, and to push the representatives of the opposition away and to imitate stormy activity, and sometimes to cover up some inefficient management actions, that's why they, you know, we have to remember one simple thing, that there are enough people in russia who consider it an honor to serve the russian empire, which for some reason pretends to be the russian federation. and they

do it consistently enough, and they will be very pleased if the scalp of ukraine hangs on their wall, but i think that will never happen, as long as we are there and as long as there are the defense forces of ukraine, which from the first days, from the first hours destroyed the myth that russia is capable of destroying ukraine, it was the defense forces of ukraine from the first days of... a large-scale the invasion destroyed the illusion that russia could win, and we have to use that fact for today in our own collective interests, for our independence, for us to feel more confident, and not just be, well, i don't know, strangers on this holiday of victory over russia, we have to talk about how to dismantle russia, in which... way to do it and discuss it

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greetings, friends, the second part of the verdict program is live on the tv channel, my name is serhiy rudenko, today in the program: the fourth day of the war in russia, explosions are heard again in belgorod, russian rebels promise to restore the humanitarian corridor for civilians. russian election roulette. vote, don't vote the result is known in advance. does the event recognize? putin's legitimacy after the pseudo-elections. parliamentary crisis in ukraine. the monomajority in the verkhovna rada is under attack. what threatens the weakness of the ukrainian government in the conditions of war? we talk about this and other things for the next 45 minutes. let me remind you that in addition to

the tv broadcast, we work on youtube and facebook. for those who are currently watching us live on youtube. please take part in our vote. today we ask you about this, if you dare. measure to send your troops to ukraine, yes, no, if you have any special opinion, please leave it in the comments under this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you on... think that the west will dare to send its troops to ukraine 0800 211 381 no 0800 211 382 vote, all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, i want to introduce today's guests of our studio, these are my colleagues, kateryna nekrecha, journalist of radio liberty. kateryna, i congratulate you, oleksiy mustafin, historian, publicist, media manager, oleksiy, i welcome you, thank you, with us, well, since we are asking our tv viewers what they think about the event,

which dares or does not dare to send its troops to ukraine, i will ask you in the blitz format , dear colleagues, katerina, what do you think, will the west still dare to send its troops to ukraine, well, i would expand the question, in which case it might happen? well, we have already heard that there are such thoughts, that it could also be that the instructors are on the ground, for example, such. option, because they unofficially say that such phenomena in the principle already exists in ukraine, and that there are some instructors, but so that officially and possibly there is no number depending on this, 100% of ukrainians are very happy that this topic has been raised in general, and another important point is how much it affected or did not affect the russian authorities, we also saw this week in principle the reaction in that famous interview of volodymyr putin and and... "they also talked about it, and although the russian president said that it would not change

the situation, foreign troops in ukraine , they will not affect the russian-ukrainian war, tim none the less, nevertheless, well, as military experts point out, it would still be a significant blow there, so probably the very rhetoric of the french president, and in general, that this topic is raised, it can certainly be a reason, well, to get nervous, no i know, but somehow in..." no tonality it is possible to talk with the russian authorities, or bring the same putin into tone. oleksiy, do you think that the west will be able to, well, the west, we say a conditional measure, but the countries of western europe , in particular, and not to mention the united states of america, to send to ukraine your troops? well, at a certain stage it is obvious that they do not want russian troops to come to them, it is better to make a decision about the possibility of sending troops. at the request of ukraine, it should also be noted that ukraine has not yet requested to send, to send

troops, on the other hand, if such a decision is made by ukraine and by the western allies, the question arises whether it will depend on ukraine simply to join ukraine, maybe it will also revive the discussions around this issue, especially since zelensky is doing it last week he said that so far... there is no such need yet, and if there is such a need, then of course ukraine will turn to the western countries. meanwhile, we are witnessing how russian volunteers, as well as those who once fought against ukraine and were captured by ukrainians, began to fight in the russian volunteer corps and in the russian freedom legion and the siberia battalion on the territory of the russian federation, today the freedom legion fighters. russia posted another video of combat operations on the territory of russia, this time they showed how they operate a mortar

shelling of positions of the russian army. let's see what is happening and, most importantly, what these fighters are saying. we are sending ballots for voting. i hope they will hit directly on the table of volodymyr volodymyrovych. it would be very good, because our mine chooses him. our mine chooses him oleksiy, but what is the informational and psychological effect this has for the russians and does it have this effect for the russians, i do not think that it is aimed at the russians, i think that it is aimed at creating a general context, taking into account, well that is they don't even hide it, they started this action precisely under time. from this procedure of approving putin

for a new term, and it seems to me, is aimed precisely at creating an understanding that putin does not even control his own territory, and this, so to speak, is another argument in favor of not recognizing putin , not to recognize these so-called elections and not to recognize putin as a legitimate leader. com, of the russian federation, is not the only argument, but, so to speak, not superfluous, i think that this is actually the greatest effect that can be given by a similar, similar. operation on the territory of russia, katerina, to what extent do such raids bring our victory closer, and what effect do you think these raids should have? it is clear that the border regions with ukraine feel this effect, because the population is being evacuated there, they understand what war is, the war has already come to the territory of russia federation, and can it have any effect

further into the depth of russian? federation, because they control the media, they control the internet, and it seems that in the last few days they, even some satellites, where we speak, including control, because they are trying to remove the signal on the territory of the russian federation, in particular the broadcasting of the espresso tv channel. what else can be counted on and what do you think these fighters who return home and start fighting against putin's regime are counting on. it is generally very interesting. history, this is not the first time, we were supposed to be ready for such raids, nevertheless, this question, and for what and why, it arises, and this time also, will it have an impact on the russian-ukrainian war in general, well, the military experts say no absolutely, and some of the ukrainian military experts do not see any military purpose in this at all, probably yes, it is some kind of

informational informational pressure, we understand that at least there gur is commenting on this topic. although they say that they do not manage the process, they cooperate in this situation and point out, the ukrainian side points out, that it is russia and russian citizens, russian citizens are doing it. probably, not everyone in russia will find out about it, and those who will find out about it, they will find out about it from the russian media, and there they say that these are terrorists, there are ukrainian nazis and so on, everything that they like to repeat, that is, in fact, in the eyes of a citizen, for sure. russia, this whole story with the raid , it will reinforce this putin, putin theses that russia must be defended, there is danger, and this is essentially what putin said, the war there is for survival, yes, if not us, then us , in fact, he said about it, it is probably so, it looks like it in the eyes of russian citizens, but

will it in any way affect the legitimacy of the elections or not, and probably not, the main question in legitimacy is the fact that again... elections are taking place in the occupied ukrainian territories, this is the second time, this is an important moment for the recognition of legitimacy, the recognition of these elections, or not? and the fact that a person who has a warrant from the international criminal court is running for president of russia, that is , a criminal who is running for president of the russian federation, we will talk about the elections a little later, let's listen to what putin himself says about the actions of russian rebels in kurshchyna and belgorod region . unfortunately, we cannot show this synchronization, i will quote it: in order to disrupt the voting process, intimidate people, the kyiv neo-nazi regime has planned and is trying to carry out a series of criminal demonstrative armed actions, this is

striking peaceful settlements on the territory of russia, about 95% of rockets and projectiles are destroyed by our... bpo, nevertheless , we have victims among civilians, all of them and their families will be provided with all the necessary help and support, these enemy strikes have not and will not remain unpunished, - said vladimir putin. oleksiy, as in a situation where putin will always poke at the ukrainians and say: you see, they are shelling us over there, or their drones are destroying our infrastructure over there, but we are defending ourselves. and the ukrainian need to fire at critical infrastructure facilities, military facilities on the territory of the russian federation, the destruction of oil refineries, where is that, well, i wanted to say balance, but where is the limit where ukrainians can do something, and so that it

is not perceived, or interpreted differently by the russians, or russia... will always interpret it not that's how they'll make the ukrainians the devil, they'll turn their horns and say that they're ukrainians, of course, if we're talking about putin's propaganda, then in two years we'll have to, if in 10 years we haven't gotten used to it, then in two years we'll have to get used to it to somehow try to agree so that putin's propaganda speaks in a different way, there is no sense at all, this is a war, it continues, and you know, sayings about ukrainian terrorists, it reminds me, do you remember chapyk had such a phrase that the enemy was attacking, criminally attacked our aviation, which peacefully bombed their cities, that is, there is no need to look, look, look for logic there, and you don't need to be distracted by it at all. i think that we need to pursue such

and such policies and military actions that are useful to our side. i think that our allies fully understand the military necessity of the things that are happening, and i do not think that somehow russian propaganda can affect the... on the amount of this aid, there are rather internal problems with our allies, and actually on this it is necessary to pay more attention than to russia, russian propaganda. ot what, what we're watching, what we're analyzing now, and what we're talking about, it 's just a week before putin's pseudo-election, there's no election there, re-appointment of putin by russian citizens, and it's clear that in this context. we are talking about his legitimacy or questioning the legitimacy of everything that started today, today putin himself sat down at the computer, pressed some

buttons there, they showed that he even picked up a mouse there, which is already very strange, and he made some click there in online voting in the elections of the russian federation, but we are interested in the territory of the ukrainian state and those districts that are found. under temporary occupation , these are millions of people who are forced, or maybe not forced, some of them, perhaps, are happy to go to the polling stations there and start voting, now is early voting, on sunday there are already full elections, katerina, you already mentioned about the fact that this action is taking place on the territory of the ukrainian state is a reason to talk about the illegitimacy of putin, but we know that the elections... to the state duma once in the annexed there were in crimea, and it is clear that it is already customary for western countries

to make statements about illegitimacy there, but it is not necessary to go beyond this, whether western countries, in particular the countries of western europe, can make some kind of consolidated decision that we do not recognize these elections, because there are 2 million ukrainians who... are in the temporary territory, their votes were counted for president putin, and how can he be considered the legally elected president of russia, if he basically falsified the election at the expense of these 2 million. can this be so , and if it does, so what will this mean for putin, he will be called the self-proclaimed president of russia, like the self-proclaimed president of belarus? this is a very difficult question, for sure. in general globally and from the fact that, from those assessments that i hear comments, well, it seems to me that it is unlikely, of course, that the elections, the so-called

illegal elections in the occupied ukrainian territories, they are not recognized by the world, as they were not recognized before this is an important point, but is the west ready to simply cut off all ties with the current russian government, that's a question, a question yes. that's the point, but will the majority of russian citizens really not vote for putin if we don't take the occupied territories there, for example, because there is already legitimacy in this or not, and in belarus, for example, we all watched people, who took to the streets, tried to somehow resist, but they did not succeed, but they came out, whether the west sees the same efforts of russian citizens and the same mistrust there in the current government, which is going to be re-elected, and we... heard from the president of the european council charles michel, that he already congratulated putin with victory, i.e. it is not a secret for anyone and it is not a surprise in any way that vladimir

putin will take this seat again, but is it worth it for the west to break absolutely all diplomatic ties with modern russia, as it is, everyone understands, yes, but how ready to isolate in this sense, well, that's a big question, i think that ... there is little chance, well, you mentioned charles michel, we 'll see now on twitter, tweet or social network x, like now called charles michel's tweet, he is sarcastic of course congratulated the russian dictator putin on his victory, he said that he would like to congratulate putin on a convincing victory in the elections that begin today without opposition, without freedom, without choice. oleksiy, if in... russia there is an autocracy, an autocratic regime, a dictatorial regime, why do putin have these pseudo-elections in order to demonstrate

that he is also the people. the only thing is that they have a single choice, a single thought, a single action, why should he go through all these procedures where there is no democracy, and where, in principle, the result is already known for a long time, well, look, why were elections held, why were elections held, well, so to speak, it is obvious that to some extent for him, for him... for him personally, it is an element of legitimizing his own power, because the system is built in such a way that it imitates, imitates democracy , simulates electability , he can't refuse it, obviously, although in principle, if he decided to declare him a monarch or even , i don't know, there would be nothing to prevent him from doing it, given that there are no ... mechanisms

of opposition there or competition in in russia, in there is no russia, it is obvious that he still adheres to this way of proving his legitimacy, so to speak, but for the world it does not matter at all, the world can communicate with monarchs, with, i don’t know, with people who proclaim themselves prophets by god, because in principle the internal... well , so to speak, the procedures are not, are not important, the question is that putin really seized, announced the annexation of the territories of a neighboring state, and here, from my point of view, the world has nothing to do with it, so to speak to put up with, and if we say, well, in fact , they recognized the parliamentary elections, despite the fact that some of the deputies were elected.

in the captured territories, well, it is bad that they were not recognized, i think that we should insist on whether this will lead to any immediate consequences, maybe not, but at least it is a principled position that allows us to build further policies, again, not recognition legitimacy does not mean that some kind of communication on some issues from the authorities is impossible, well, that is, putin leads russia because he was elected in the previous election actually. and since they were not elected, his successor was not elected, he still remains in power in russia, but remains an illegitimate, illegitimate president who has not confirmed his mandate for the election, this is a completely normal position, just like a completely normal position ukraine, when we say that we cannot recognize russia's membership in the united nations, because it is also illegitimate. does this mean that

russia is now not allowed to attend council meetings security? unfortunately, no, but this does not mean that we should abandon this line. well, but the current elections are completely different for president putin, because he enters and speaks in these elections as a candidate who has a warrant from the international criminal court, he is a person who started a big war against ukrainian. of the state , that is, began, began, by the way, i want, serhiy, i want to emphasize one more point, it has the so-called nullification, nullification term, which was introduced by an absolutely illegal referendum, which was also held on occupied territories, and this referendum should not be recognized, and that is why it undermines its legitimacy, well, but the totality

of these facts and... factors, well, obviously, maybe, can make the world look at these elections in a completely different way and for the future of putin, although i do not rule out that there will be no next election for putin, he will simply take and hold a coronation, say that he is the king of the russian empire or the russian federation, and that's it, that's the end of it, if he only sees , that it has some competitors, though we see how these competitors... well, by the way, navalny should also be mentioned in this context, no matter what, but at least the murder of navalny was also during the election campaign, that is, he relapses and he looks like a st. petersburg recidivist, who grabbed power, who is now trying to prolong this power and seized this power and does not give the opportunity to other political forces, the leaders of political forces to move forward. here

it is still important to understand.