[000:00:00;00] manipulation strategies have probably been tested from the soviet union, and that is why, for example, maria lvova bilova has now launched such a new initiative from february 2024, when not only children but also members of their families now go to re-education camps, that is, it is probably calculated. first of all , loyal to russians in the state of citizenship will go there for such demonstrativeness, and if such persons oppose this,... they will be accomplices of russian crimes, and therefore it is necessary to think many times before how to send your child to re-education camps, or to russian schools, if such a choice still remains. in fact, russian propaganda claims that ukrainian children who were returned to the unoccupied part of ukraine, that they allegedly want to return to russia. isn't this a wake-up call to the fact that russia

can... and does return them at all? i want to explain this situation, because they simply cut out part of the ukrainian airwaves, disturbed it there and talk about the fact that even ukrainian human rights activists claim that the russian federation is better cares about ukrainian children than ukraine, this is a delusion, the cases when someone returned to the territory of the russian federation from ukraine, they are single, that is, among 388 children, maybe... there is one person there, and if we look at his personal history, then we will see that there are relatives in the territory of the russian federation, that there may have been some objective reasons why the child went there, maybe she did not return there to her permanent place of residence, therefore, first of all, this requires additional clarifications. secondly, the fact that the russian federation for some reason took it upon itself head that ukraine does not take good care of returned children is also not true. we see that now in connection with the significant attention of the international community to the crime

of deportation. in the same way, in connection with the fact that new and new initiatives are being created for the return of ukrainian children, their rehabilitation, these returned children feel quite well, so we still need to satisfy their individual needs, in particular, as regards overcoming the educational gap, as for psychological rehabilitation, again, me mentioned reintegration, but these children do not beg, these children are in family forms of upbringing or study in our educational institutions, that is, this is allowed by ukrainian legislation and are in other forms of care, these children have certain payments, these children are constantly accompanied by such a social worker from of the state, that is, not everything is as bad as the russian federation here wants to pretend to be, and i will only emphasize that now, and not governmental organizations, that the state is trying to better improve the situation of all children who were affected by the armed conflict, and therefore there will be special support programs, and

there will be... a social program of psychological rehabilitation, but we must understand that, unfortunately, these are things that require a certain amount of time to prepare, you cannot do it in one day you organize the russian federation has been preparing for the deportation of ukrainian children for years. ms. kateryna, i know that you often visit abroad, communicate with our international partners, in particular, last year in november, you communicated with un delegations and... if i am not mistaken, conveyed to them the concept of a single mechanism for the return of small ukrainians. actually, to begin with, tell us what this concept is, and then i would like to know your observations and your conclusions about how determined and ready our international partners are to help return children, or is this just another set

of concerns? a team of regional... human rights center at the beginning of 2023 conducted such a global enough study, we studied the experience of those states that faced deportation, abduction of their children, the experience of identification related to return, rehabilitation and reintegration. we also analyzed the existing international standards and international agreements in order to adapt them to the ukrainian context, but again, on the other hand, not to invent a bicycle, some such mechanism that no one has ever heard of. had not heard and is unlikely to agree to it, and as a result we came to such an obvious scheme, perhaps for some, it is quite similar to the one that existed in the grain agreement, when ukraine and the russian federation, since the children are under its control and, unfortunately, without the complete capitulation of the russian federation, we will not be able to return the children now, so ukraine and the russian federation must come to an agreement, but this must be done exclusively through a third party, which will not just be

an intermediary there. some transfer, as, for example, qatar is now doing, and which will also play the role of the guarantor of the return process, which will also agree on the simplification of the return process and on reduction. its duration, about the unification of documents required by the russian federation, also accurately predict the categories of children that ukraine, ukraine will return, that the russian federation is forced to return, that is , there are a lot of functions and roles for this third party, and therefore, returning to the question of whether all these initiatives are not just declarations, we must understand , that canada, the united states of america, norway, they all returned the ukrainian children without joy today... but the russian federation will never in its life agree to their mediation, so we are looking for someone to whom the russian federation will agree federation. now it is qatar, there are still occasional

rumors about the involvement of the vatican, but again, the ukrainian side does not confirm this, although the russian side there issued a whole report on the role of the vatican. there are also some initiatives from the global south, in particular the republic of south africa, which i am also. visited, interested, and it was announced by the president, to join the process, effectively join the process of returning ukrainian children. and here we have to understand that this has ceased to be exclusively the pain of ukraine, exclusively a problem of ukraine, and it should be solved already, probably not only for ukraine. now we have to take the lead and develop a return mechanism, exactly the kind that is contained in our concept, if possible somewhere. improved, more , i don’t know, it’s so refined, you know, but if this mechanism works also for other children who are currently suffering in armed conflicts, then the probability of returning ukrainian children also increases, the probability of supporting

such a mechanism also increases, and such a weighty thing, on which i want to emphasize, it is impossible to combine both the return and the prosecution of the guilty in one mechanism. persons to responsibility, this does not mean that we have to forgive putin and lviv bilov for the deportations and say that we did not see, it is very good that you returned the children, but it means that in the issue of return, the priority is return, and that in the potential written agreement on the mechanism of return, there may not be a provision on the responsibility of the russian federation, but this, again, in no way excludes such responsibility and arrest warrants, the international criminal court, after the return of the ukrainian... children, will definitely not cancel it, in fact, with regard to this warrant, almost a year has passed since it was issued, and what has changed in this case over this year, and has the list of suspects been added there

, unfortunately, in this case, in this episode, the deportation and forced transfer of ukrainian children in our country has not changed since march 17, 2023, when arrest warrants were issued, that is, there are no new suspects, just as there are no additional qualifications , additions to valid arrest warrants, but theirs existence is still an unprecedented , mega-symbolic event, for the first time in the history of the existence of international criminal law as such, even not only the international criminal court, an arrest warrant is received by the current head of a nuclear state in the course of an active, rather hot armed conflict, that is, it was a great victory and could not fail to have an impact. opinions were divided, including among the ukrainian expert community, and the russian federation apparently insists that the issuance of arrest warrants only made the return process more difficult, but i would in order to be as objective as possible, i relied on statistics: before issuing

arrest warrants for lviv-bilov, i published, and we will operate with their data, because they are the same, i will explain what these data are, but let's start with them, so , regarding the issuance of arrest warrants, she contributed to the return of five ukrainian... children, after the issuance of arrest warrants, the number of such children, in her opinion, where she contributed to the return, she and moskalkova 94, that is tangible, so until march 17 2023 also passed a year, and in this year only five children, where they contributed there, here a year has passed and it is already 94, that is, the numbers are different, but we are at the regional center for human rights, together with our partners, seibrai, the zlenkiv institute for the prevention of the crime of genocide. came to the conclusion that even in those cases where they speak, we facilitated, we facilitated something there, we have witnesses, that is, victims of the abuses of the russian federation, who say, no, it only hindered us, that is, the russians put forward new and

new conditions, the requirement to pass dna tests, the requirement to pass a polygraph test, numerous long-term interrogations with the federal security service with other russian security forces, some kind of compulsion to undress and... they could tell there how they are doing the russian federation with the sole purpose of using this recording against these people and manipulating them. that is, even in these cases, the russian federation did not contribute, but the return process. stepped up and we are seeing a change in the narrative. during 2022, maria lvova bilovova told everywhere that president putin said to eliminate red tape in the legislation, to provide everyone russian citizenship, to transfer ukrainian children even with ukrainian citizenship to russian families, well , it happened, you can't get the words out of the song, this is their conversation on march 9, 2022. already in the conversation on february 16, it was the day before the arrest warrants were issued, she talked a little bit about... giving ukrainian children to families, about the fact that she took the child herself, but it was already

clear that they suspected something, so that the international community had already started to prepare, they knew that we were gathering evidence, the first children were returning alone, and already on march 17 there was a great calm, they were preparing to comment on march 17, march 17 , 2023, the moment of issuing arrest warrants, they lingered there, lingered, then began to come out with the statement of maria lviv-bilov. these are her words, that president putin gave an order to facilitate the reunification of families, they do not say anywhere , they do not use the word return, because if they say return, it turns out that they were relocated, it turns out that they were kidnapped, it turns out that they were deported, they say unity, as if so neutralizing, some kind such, they chose one of the words, and in fact they manipulate this word reunification somewhat, because you can reunite biological families, but as for... orphans, especially if they have lost a legal guardian, it will be much

more difficult here, and they understand this and do not want to return such children, but less so, if we sum up this whole long excursion, i will not abuse, the situation has moved from a dead point, and now we are already talking about some international initiatives, we are accumulating the support of the international communities, and we are planning, we are not just dreaming, we are planning to return thousands of ukrainian children in 2024. and i think that's a great merit of arrest warrants. ms. kateryna, on march 13 this year, the european parliament held a debate on the creation of a legal mechanism for the return of young ukrainians to their homeland. how can the european parliament influence this at all? i would say that this is a logical process of continuation, or even addition , of what is happening at the level of the council of europe. on january 25 of this year, a resolution was adopted,

where it is also emphasized that it is necessary to create a single, transparent, understandable, legal mechanism for the identification and return of ukrainian children. yes, indeed, the european union cannot be that third party, because the russian federation will not agree to it, and somehow they cannot physically go there and return the children. but this is only one aspect of the big mechanism, the others are the identification of children, and here... the european union with its capabilities, including in terms of software, intelligence, they can help us. next question rehabilitation and reintegration, here they can help both with expertise and financially, as well as with the organization of certain processes for ukrainian children. i would like to emphasize that a significant prerequisite for the return of deported ukrainian children is simply a must have, without it it will not happen, it is the reform of deinstitutionalization, i.e. until we have a register of adoptive parents, until we

have a queue, and it is already forming, because here you know that there was no cut, the queue of adoptive parents is already forming, and there are those people who are ready to take in deported ukrainian orphans and children deprived of parental care, and it will happen, but we need a big, significant reform, so that no more children stay here in these soviet-style barracks, i won't even call it a children's... home , because 200-400 people in one territory, it is more like a colony of strict regime, and not a children 's institution, we have to get rid of this, and this is supported by the leadership of our state, and this is a mandatory condition, by the way, and of our european integration, therefore all these processes take place in parallel, the european union can definitely help in some of them, it can support ukraine in others, and finally, the european union has a huge system of treaties with states globally. half of the day. they quite successfully used this

system of treaties, foreign trade agreements, and preferential agreements in order to avoid unrest within the states of the global south. now they can try to somehow use trade and economic mechanisms there so that these states at least join the coalition for the return of ukrainian children, and it would be desirable for one of them, either collectively or individually, to mediate on this side in relations with the russian federation. by the way, with regard to intermediaries, speaking of countries that can be guarantors, perhaps it is worth considering countries that can have... some influence on russia, in particular, for example, china, was the issue of including this country discussed. this is a very good question and i'm sure it's been discussed, although i don't have that information because it as logical as possible. that is, i think that our state started with two candidates, namely

turkey, which was already a quite successful third party, which is currently promoting the return of ukrainian prisoners of war, and probably china. i will not comment on china's political diplomatic position, because i think my opinion is not mainstream, you know, i don't want to be criticized here too many times, but i am sure that china will not be a third party, and therefore we need to look for someone else, but you are absolutely right, it should be a state that is in certain relations with the russian federation, well, not that it is on an equal footing and not that it is already on top, because china refused, but at least to be able to somehow... influence the russian federation and the return of a significant number of children, because you know, when they tell me, the return of 11 children is the largest group, it is a great victory, i am happy, because every child is important, who crosses the ukrainian border in the direction of ukraine, but 11 children is very little, at such rates we have no chance to return everyone within even one

decade, so we need countries that can potentially be further considered and what is currently being worked out, for example, saudi arabia is a pretty good candidate, russia has some interests in this state and in cooperation with this state, it could be brazil, and by the way, brazil also has such a rather ambiguous position towards the russian full-scale invasion, so in principle it can be a candidate for negotiations for the russian federation, and at the same time we mention the brics, at the same time we mention that brazil is a catholic great power, and we heard about the vatican's role in the return of civilians . that is, yes, as if the stars are converging , it could be kazakhstan, because now it is not a well-known thing, but kazakhstan is a recognized state, at least by the un, by unicef, which has great practices in identifying abducted children, in the context of idols, in

the context abduction of children who were in various camps, and then kazakhstan repatriated them from syria and iraq, this is a great state in terms of the rehabilitation of such children. and reintegration, and kazakhstan has some relations with the russian federation as well, and in fact, i already mentioned the republic of south africa, which is also a member of brics, although we remember that putin did not go to the summit in this country due to an arrest warrant, did not take the risk, although you know this does not mean that he did not go anywhere and during the 23rd year after the issuance of arrest warrants, he still traveled and traveled to that state, by the way, which we will mention to you today. as possible mediators, that is, here there is a certain potential of the state i mentioned to dream that it will be one of the states of our satellites, our partners, or from states with a recognized reputation in the field of protection of children's rights, such as, for example, canada is such a state, unfortunately, it is not possible, because the russian federation

will simply take a stand. ms. kateryna, in the end, i would like to ask you about the number of children who were successfully... returned, and do you know whether there are plans to return ukrainian little children in the near future, perhaps. so, as of today, according to official information, 388 children have been returned. you could hear a higher number, it could be a number of over 500 children, it is also mentioned, but it is together with those children who were reunited with their relatives, because they were separated due to the russian aggression, these children mostly returned from the occupied ... territory, however , the number of returned, deported and forcibly relocated children is exactly 388, and it is, unfortunately, very small. ukraine is planning and preparing, because i don't like the word plan, you know, you can plan whatever you want, but preparing is about something specific, returning more children, and we are talking about hundreds

children, we are talking about thousands of children, because no matter how we talk about the figure, which to believe or not to believe, but the registers of status children, children and children deprived of parental care were and are and continue to be at our disposal, therefore we well understand who was deported from the kherson children's home, who was deported from oleshki, who was deported from the border areas to the so-called dpr and lpr, the newly occupied territories of ukraine, this is all well known, it is not secret information for ukraine, that is why we have a list of children , which it is possible to work and which can be returned, there are many preparatory tasks, i again mention this reform of deinstitutionalization, because if the children are of status, they can be. to return only to their families, and ukraine is creating all such grounds in order to return these children, so i wouldn't romanticize here and tell you that everything is really, really good here. and we will return all 1900 children tomorrow, no, right tomorrow, to return all of them, it will be

such a difficult situation and a very big challenge, will ukraine cope with it, ukraine he will cope with it, but is it about this and are there any plans for such a thing, no, there is not, now, unfortunately, the mechanism remains as it was, that is, if through qatar, then we transfer a certain list, and together with all accompanying documents. from parents, from guardians , the russian federation sits there for one, two or three months, even they themselves talk about it, examines this list, i don’t know what she is doing there, she reads it word by word, i honestly don’t understand what is possible so long to check documents for a maximum of 11 children, and then the process of physical return takes place, the mechanism will work like this for now, a single legal mechanism has not yet been created, but... i am convinced that more children will return in 2024. well , let's hope for that, mrs. kateryna, i

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the premium sponsor of the national team represents. united by football, stronger together! friends, i congratulate you, well, this week is absolutely no different from the previous ones, in the sphere of culture we have, as always. and victories, victories and betrayals, all this goes at the same time and replaces each other, as always everything is wonderful and fun, probably the biggest betrayal victory, which ended in a victory after all, and there is a situation with oscar, let me remind you, friends, what happened what happened was that for the first time a ukrainian film won an oscar,

and the fact that our quarrels, our srachs, our comments on social networks, our appeals and... satisfaction very often ends on a positive note for us, so from monday to sunday, from sunday to monday, or rather on monday night, we found out, all , who did not sleep, watched the live broadcast that 20 days in mariupol, and the ukrainian-american team of this film won the oscar in the category of the best full-length documentary film, by the way, for many ukrainian moviegoers it was a... quite predictable event, yes not 100% but a lot of people said that they were almost sure of this win, i'll admit, i was too, well i was almost sure because the movie is really decently made, it's interesting, it's exciting and it really got during for the last year and a half, and there are enough positive reviews from many people in the world, there are special aggregator sites, they

are called reviews, and when you go to them, you are killed. here in search of the name of any tape, you can read truly objective opinions of people from all over the world and understand, liked they didn't like the movie, they just saw a very positive picture here, the only such strong competitor in this nomination in this category for our film was a tunisian work called four daughters, but you see, after all, the victory was ours, well, ours by command of 20 days in mariupol, i will remind all friends. who regrets that they didn't watch this movie, where can you watch this movie, why isn't it being shown, because you used to be able to watch it via vpn, watch it on youtube via an american vpn, because americans made the tape available for viewing, and it is very right, they had to get acquainted with it, we had a rental twice, eh, the film became the highest-grossing ukrainian documentary, according to the box office, according to

the money collected, but still not all people were able to see this film and therefore from this very week it can be seen again in cinemas, i hope that the hype will be much stronger than last time, although i will say that an extraordinary number of my acquaintances really want to see this film, but they say that they psychologically so far cannot do it, and i absolutely believe them, so i think that the audience for 20 days in mariupol will grow with how much eh... if ukrainians both in ukraine and abroad would receive and feel the strength to watch this tape, but i will say that she is not depressed at all , the horrors are shown there, but the film still ends with some hope, it ends, well, i would not say that it ends well, but it does not kill you, on the contrary, somehow, this one the film

seems bright enough to me, let's say yes, well, it's good that... that many viewers abroad can