a rather unique situation for the ukrainian defense-industrial complex, hence the war, our technologies for victory and the labyrinths of bureaucracy that we have to get rid of in order to get a noticeable result on the battlefield. this is what we will talk about in our next edition of the war and weapons program. my name is serhiy sgurets, i am the director of the information and consulting company defense-express, which is currently striving to highlight the most relevant trends in life together with the espresso channel. our defense industrial enterprises, and now to us maksym plekhov, chairman of the board of the association of defense sector volunteers and enterprises, joins the lviv defense cluster. mr. maxim, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you. good day, sergey. first of all, i would like you to remind our viewers what your lviv defense cluster is doing, what it is producing now, how the life of the enterprises that are part of it has changed in two years. well, what is the current situation with

enterprises? to date, ah, if we speak for what is produced at lviv defense enterprises cluster, we can say that these are body armor, this is tactical equipment, ordered by the ministry of defense, starting with uniforms, ending with backpacks, unloading systems, summaries, elbow pads, knee pads, a lot of other products, more. new enterprises have been built, i will tell you that the situation with chimerio is not the only investment, an enterprise for the production of drones has already been built, and the size of the investment is also quite large, today the construction of two production plants in lviv oblast is ending special fabrics for the needs of the armed forces of ukraine and a factory for the production of ceramic weapons elements for the needs of the armed forces of ukraine. that's why development is going on. it goes on all the time

and today we can really say that lviv oblast is gradually becoming such a production investment pool where new enterprises are being built in order to provide our armed forces with everything they need today. we spoke with you, i think, for the last time in november of last year, and then we pre-estimated what the rules of the game would be on the procurement market, because then it was it has been announced that new structures will be created there, the state operator, tylu, the defense procurement agency, and now this state operator tylu, which ensures the purchase of fuel, property, clothing there, says that it has made a significant number of purchases there through prozoro, and such other methods are significant cost savings, but how did these new procurement procedures affect the loading of your enterprises, what experience do you have of the first communication, namely, through contracts with the state operator, well

, come on, if we say for a dot, you need first of all, it should be noted that the agency has been operational only since the new year, and indeed the first two months there were huge problems with conducting tenders and receiving orders, that is , actually receiving orders began at the end of february, today most of the tenders have already been held, market companies are receiving orders from the beginning . you have to fulfill them, if we speak for the general assessment, well, what needs to be said, that is, it is a completely new structure with a completely new composition of people who have not previously worked in the ministry of defense in specialized departments, they have a very strong desire to do something, can do normally, significantly change, well, as always, as a new structure, there were a huge number of problems, starting from the fact that a large number of mistakes were made. odnodnevok companies are generally

incomprehensible, then at the request of market participants they returned the tender security, returned the tender guarantees so that there was no possibility of market manipulation, that is , it still works today, the procedures are being carried out, the only thing that needs to be noted is that today there are also constant ongoing negotiations between markets and dots, this is the amount of fines, because the dot has increased the fines five times. earlier there were fines for each day of delay, supplier companies paid 0.1% of undelivered goods, today it is 0.5%. and understanding that we have a lot of problems with the de facto war that is going on all over the territory of ukraine with the situation on the polish border, it is clear that there will be disruptions in terms, so the situation here is rather unclear and critical, because companies can have big problems, at the same time that is, the understanding that... there is a clear understanding,

when there will be a deadline for the performance of the contract, there is no such deadline either, so, for example, if the tender is announced on february 1st, he says, and it specifies the deadline for the delivery of products. march 10, this is catastrophic, but at the same time, when the company enters the tentr , it does not understand the codes at all, when it will be given the signed agreement, that is, today there are situations when companies sign the agreement only on march 10-15, realizing that they are already running out of time , on the other hand, to abandon the agreement is to actually put a stop to the supply of the armed forces, therefore the general the picture is so average, that is, there are positive changes, there are... what mistakes, well, we believe that in fact this also requires experience for the agency to work adequately, well, that is, as i understood, now the newly created agency is primarily directing its efforts to there were no hints of corruption there and i was ready to sacrifice even certain circumstances

to the detriment of the company, as far as i understand, that is , the terms of the contracts are sufficiently undefined, while only the indicators related to the price of products and penalties are determined sanctions, these products will not be delivered, i.e. the spectrum of interaction is quite narrow, or should we add some nuances here and there? well, i would say yes, indeed, that today the first task that is put before the agency is absolutely no even possible theoretical corruption, they have relevant departments that even control communication with suppliers, this is very adequate, very reasonable, on the other hand in there are other kpis there, this is from... price reduction, as far as i understand, supply to the armed forces and delivery terms are already the third kpi, and in fact it is already sometimes there is a doubt, a problem, because the terms of delivery, planning, long-term tenders, so far we do not see this,

corruption, i will say this, communicating with the whole market, there is not even any possibility there at all, it is a long way forward, a way forward, and when we we are talking about... about the conditions of purchase there, well, of life jackets or clothes, can the conditions of purchase be prescribed in such a way that, conditionally speaking, the winner will be a prospectively determined company there, which has one parameter there, which is better compared to others, this parameter is taken precisely as the basis of the potential signing of the contract, well, if we use an example, it was only a one-time situation that can be evaluated in this way, it was... the purchase of active headphones at the end of that year, yes, when the non-price criterion was introduced, in order to to give the company, trem headphones a better chance in front of sardín headphones, the situation was one-time, it is

very controversial, very subjective, because on the other hand, some characteristics of the headphones were better than others. side was it worth it there is a slight improvement there, 20 million that the state overpaid, today such tenders are not held, the situation is analyzed, today the only criterion can be, it is only one hundred percent compliance with technical conditions and the price of products, so the situation in our country this year is only as it was earlier, but about the price of products and profit. for companies, or relatively speaking, these conditions and a fixed profit allow enterprises, in particular, which are part of the defense cluster to develop, create new models there, purchase leftovers, you they said that the remainder is being purchased, the question arises where the funds for these

large - scale expansions come from ... for the fact that it was forbidden for defense sector companies to make a profit, there is a specific law of the verkhovna rada that completely changed this situation, brought it into the regulatory field, but it only concerned direct contracts, if we are talking about tender procurement, there is no regulation regarding size profit, i.e. there is none, companies really work, in some cases they can work even to zero, if there is a situation where it is necessary to load the reception, in some cases the company receives a profit, if... to say for expansion, then first of all, today the defense segment is very attractive for the domestic investor, yes, because today many private investors, who previously invested in construction, in the processing of food products, today prefer to invest in

the defense sector, because today it has the greatest development, it is the largest market in ukraine, and it is quite attractive for private investments. today we also created within the framework. again, a cluster, an investment fund, well, what exactly is a real investment fund for the possibility of attracting private investment on the one hand, and on the other hand, it is already help. ukrainian defense startups to receive the necessary funding for further development, this is a bridge between the desire of investors to invest and defense startups to receive, because without the development of the defense segment of the private defense industry, we will never be able to provide our army with everything necessary. mr. maksym, you said at the beginning that, relatively speaking, there are enterprises there that already manufacture unmanned complexes, as i understood, as part of a cluster, and manufacture ceramic plates. for body armor, this is also a new direction in the defense-industrial format of your

defense-industrial cluster, are there any details related to these directions, what is it about, what are the volumes, or just where are we going with these two components? well, if we talk about drones, this is the rarok company ariaspace, this is an unmanned aircraft complex ra7, which has been adopted by the ministry of defense, it is the latter's strike weapons. generation with the necessary initiation boards , with translators completely that meet today's needs, the industrial capabilities of the enterprise, today we estimate up to 100,000 units per year, this is for drones, there is still work going on today on its own ammunition, which will be unified just under this type drones, on the production of armor plates, it was actually a very controversial... situation for us many years, because such factories need constant loading for

10 years at a volume of approximately 100,000 plates per year, yes, that is, we understood that there would not be such a surge in ukraine, so if we hesitated for a very long time, but here are a few months therefore, such a decision was made, because we understand that the ukrainian army cannot depend on supplies from abroad, so we must... localize as much as possible the production of anything that we use, and there, to say the least, that it is a form the equipment of the armored vest, this is, first of all, starting with the manufacture of the fabrics themselves, so as not to transport them from china or turkey, and ending there with armor elements, then possibly with ballistic materials, it all needs to be localized, so it is by drone, it is video controls, communication modules connection, today the issue of all the localization of all... components is being considered, because we understand the potential problems with china, against the background of the fact that america already prohibits the use

of dji drones on its territories, and we understand all the possible risks, so the question localization on the territory of ukraine, moreover , the fact that the armed forces are used today and are components for the further equipment of weapons, this is an urgent need, it must be done every day today. mr. maksym , still clarify about ceramic plates, as with... it seems that we have a few companies that now make ceramics for body armor, that is, your company has really now decided to deploy this high-tech, expensive production, despite the fact that ceramic body armor are more expensive there, and not a fact that the ministry of defense will purchase them in comparison with the standard body armor with steel plates, well , if we are talking about ceramic armor in general, today... ukraine has the highest requirements for ceramic armor in the world, it so very strangely

happened that we took american standards regarding the durability of the plates, it is there up to a fall from two meters, there is an impression of bullets, well, at the same time, they forgot and wrote down the indicators for armor injury, which were in the ukrainian standard, it is 25 mm, so today the requirements for the protection of plates in us the highest in the world, and the ministry of defense after the situation. with the fact that samples of the russian 545 project ugonlik, which has very high penetration properties, have been received, today maximum transitions to ceramic armor, if we talk about the production of ceramic armor there by artisanal means, this is actually one situation, and it cannot give a permanent result, if we say for industrial production, only there is one vacuum installation. the pressing of armor plates is a €600,000 investment, it requires a lot of equipment, but the understanding is that if we

we say that we have a million-strong army, it must be equipped with bulletproof vests, then such enterprises must be built, they must be today, if we talk about serial production, that is, until now there is only one company in ukraine, which is tem3, which has i don't know at what technological level it was not possible to produce. everything that others tried to produce was, rather, some kind of artisanal development, and it was just a truck imported from china of very low quality, if we take into account the needs of the ukrainian army, then... there is no other way out, we need two-three-four plants for the mass production of armored plates in order to provide the ukrainian army for the next ten years. well, then, after all, i will mark a moment for myself, that is, despite the fact that body armor with a ceramic plate will be more expensive, the ministry of defense, understanding the requirements of the battlefield, is really ready to raise the bar of the purchase price and focus on the fact that

body armor should be with ceramics , and it will be the most optimal solution, so it turns out. that's right, they have already made such decisions, the purchases that took place from november and december of that year were carried out only for ceramic armor, at the same time it will increase by at least 10-15 thousand, due to the fact that the requirements for ceramic armor are high, they are purchasing today only ceramic armor, had huge problems with delivery times with order fulfillment, but only buy ceramic armor from metal armor. the ministry of defense and other units of the defense forces of ukraine have already refused today, well, this is news for me and it is good the news is actually, but against this background , foreign suppliers of their bulletproof vests have not become more active, what is the situation with competition between our products and foreign ones, or is it now somehow leaning in the direction of our manufacturers?

well, if we talk about the situation, it is also a very difficult situation there, because dot publicly announces that it... needs to purchase products as cheaply as possible, that is, it does not matter whether it is purchased in ukraine or abroad, and for that, so that it was as simple as possible for foreign manufacturers to enter, conditions were added to the agreement, that now not only the manufacturer company can enter the auction directly, but its conditional representative, that is, either a branch or a branch, today this is already allowed, we see today the interest of foreign manufacturers, supply, this, well, on the other hand, on the one hand, this encourages competition, yes, and improves the provision of the armed forces of ukraine, on the other hand, there are really such strategic problems that we can develop a ground supplier, and not an internal supplier, there are two two problems that need to be paid attention to,

first of all, it is for tax benefits, if today the company is there, conditionally from france, bulgaria. forces of ukraine, it will supply them completely without vat at 100% and without duties, if a ukrainian company will produce body armor on the territory of ukraine, it will import material, only material for armor, it will be soft ballistic bags and composite elements of ceramic rafts without vat , but for everything else we will pay internal vat, that is , our internal price will be a few percent higher, that is... one hundred percent yes than that of a foreign supplier, we will be here to lose, and the majority of foreign suppliers built their enterprise of this level with state subsidies, grants, they do not have the load today on loans and investment obligations of what our suppliers have, therefore, for a domestic supplier, this situation is quite unpleasant, quite critical, well

, it is impossible to do something here, because if we also say in favor of localization, we can protect ourselves from... turkey or china , we cannot protect ourselves from european manufacturers at all, therefore, ukrainian companies need to find some other mechanisms in order to survive and develop, to expect state subsidies, guarantees, benefits, preferential loans, we understand that today is a war, that is , we need to do something, find something independently and find something for everyone, how can we compete more effectively with companies that have more advantages than us, well, you see such ways. that you have a feeling that you can fight there with the germans, the french in our market, even though potentially their opportunities there are greater and wider, you know, that is, we have no other option, yes, that is, we have no option not to fight, just as our army has no option not to fight there, that is, we must ensure the development of ukrainian today,

that is, the supply of products, that is we simply have no other way out, that is , we need to... mechanisms, we need to attract private investments, we need to understand how we can make the final product cheaper, what we can automate, that is, there is an advantage in principle in terms of labor force, she is with us cheaper today than abroad, you need to look for internal advantages at the expense of this to win. mr. maxim, thank you very much for the inclusion, for the work you do for our armed forces, you can count on our informational support to fight. foreign suppliers and your competitors . will prepare ceramic armor for bulletproof vests, this is actually , well, quite top news, and the main thing is that it really

becomes the basis for such a re-equipment of the personal protective equipment that our soldiers use on the battlefield today, then we will talk about the company whose products the military themselves characterized as follows: we are being suffocated by the enemy, your radio stations are working, that is... there really are domestic radio stations of the tactical level that can provide reliable communication between soldiers on the battlefield in conditions when the enemy makes maximum use of means of radio-electronic warfare, and this project a month ago collected such venture support in the amount of 500 thousand dollars from ukrainian and foreign investors who are ready for this company to develop and receive new capacities to create even more. modern means of communication about all the details related to this chimera company after the advertising and information block. exclusively on the air of our channel. greetings, friends,

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"war and weapons" program. and then we will talk about the products of the chimera company. this company was recognized by the ministry of digital last year the number one military start-up in ukraine, and this year it, this company, received such significant financial support from both ukrainian and foreign venture investors that i repeat to... such an unexpected situation for the ukrainian defense market is enough, and in fact this company, well, how creates sufficiently technological products for me, i am glad that both kanal espresso and defense express contacted the company's representatives and talked about these products even before this company gained such, well, all-ukrainian recognition, and now we are joined by oleksiy oliynyk, representative of the hemera company, mr. oleksiy, i welcome you to the spresso channel, glad to see and hear. now we are looking for a shooting point so that we

can talk calmly and comfortably. this is exactly how it happens in combat conditions, when communication is the main thing, and the rest is actually tangential and derivative. mr. oleksii, welcome to the spresso channel, glad to see and hear. i would like you to tell us a little bit. to our viewers, what are the advantages of the radio station of the chimera company, because , of course, the military knows, there are specialists know, but after all , it has been more than two years since the product has been on the market, it has definitely transformed, so what are the advantages, how is the camera radio now used by our military at what levels, what are the results, what are the reviews? well, two years, probably not yet passed, somewhere around two years. it will soon be two years that we have been working, we started with a small radio station, a unit, so, well, small soldier radio stations that were created specifically for...

reconnaissance groups, for sniper groups, for the forces of special operations, these radio stations turned out to be quite quite convenient and very convenient for people, they began to be used in many types of weapons, the main of the possibilities they provide are suppression, they are very difficult to detect by enemy radio reconnaissance, and they are very very quite budget-friendly and close to the user, that is, they can be easily programmed, and it is easy to work with them. to work for any of the civilians, for this you do not need to be some kind of specialist, well , if a military person who can study for a long time, this such a very, very smart gadget that got, that got maybe, well, if all the possibilities of military communication, radio stations jump on frequencies, radio stations are difficult to suppress, they have a completely encrypted communication, and it is very difficult for the enemy to do anything against this, but. .. over these

almost two years, the product has changed, as i understand it, they started there from the tactical level, and in our previous conversation you hinted to me that the military is not really using the full potential of these radio stations that are installed there, although in fact you did their maximum usability, so that they are convenient and do not require special technical knowledge from our military, what do they need to know then, what else is additional? the weight of these communication systems of yours? now we are moving as much as possible in the direction of the network, now we are moving in the direction of creating a proper protected network, which is meant, it is, well , conditionally now going, as they say there, a network centric war, for example, now a mortar calculation is working there, it is advancing to a position, he needs to get some information. eh, what at the same time

happens, i know, when a flash calculation involves a saber, it’s wrong, it’s completely, how about it, starlink allows you to watch there in h quality of youtube, it ’s not needed exactly where it’s needed, that’s one of our crazy ideas now, we through our radio stations, we give access to the internet to mobile groups, that is, in order to work out a combat task and a target calculation, you need to have a new one with you there. measure a tablet, advance to the position, see everything they need, including the weather forecast there, everything they get, work out your combat mission, assemble and go back in two seconds, and all this is a secure connection, and for this you do not need a starlick, but now if one of the crazy ideas, we give mobile units access to the internet through radio stations, in fact it is no no no how much internet, how much access to a secure

, correct network. unit and through this network they have access to the battlefield awareness system, to the battlefield management system, they can carry out all their tasks very quickly, coolly, without making a single voice call, they everything is seen on the screen, tablets , during the assault, the commander can move forward, he sees where his troops are located somewhere in the built-up area, because now it is happening like this, there guys, what do you see, we see a couple of trees there, between these and. .. trees are your opponent, this should not happen, the commander should see where his soldiers are, and he should simply have a clear command, there 20 m to the left, 5 m to the right, move forward, do this and that, minimal voice traffic, maximum exchange of information, here we are now completely we are moving exactly and all the forces of the team are now going exactly in this direction, well, that is, in fact, you are getting closer to the shelter, or already closer to the creation of a tactical battlefield control system , yes, where your...

radio stations are the basis, and it can be added, let's say this, there is different equipment, but there is kombat or nettle, that is, even nettle and kombat are not needed, all this can be done on the basis of your radio stations, no, no, no, nettle kombat is definitely needed, it is the same software, but this software must be protected the correct transport level, here we give this transport for information to the same nettle and the same kombat, here kombat is already working, nettle is now working on integration, but in fact all this... is taken into the correct protected communication line, well, not the line more precisely , communication systems, but we are moving precisely in the communication system, we will not go into the management software itself, of course we do not need it, those people who develop these systems for a very long time are engaged in this, we cannot get involved, but we are now making the communication system correct, normal, good and there is so much we can improve, it is not as much as a radio station, a radio station is only a small part of this communication system,

the main thing is, after all, information. good, correct, fast, protected opinion of information.