and kremlin propagandists shouted about political readiness at any moment, radioactive ash, and so on, and now they emphasize the technical state of this entire system, their nuclear triad, and how can and should china react to this, given its traditional position? well, first of all, china is also engaged in the rearmament of its nuclear forces, it is not meant that they create... new warheads, but that they test and modernize missiles, by the way, most of the modernization and re-equipment programs of this nuclear components in countries such as france, great britain, the united states , china, russia started as early as 5-7 years ago, it is possible that there was a premonition, an actual increase in the importance of these things, china will now take advantage of what... what

the other nuclear powers are declaring, in particular macron's statement caused quite a lively discussion, because france remains the only nuclear power of the european union, so to speak, well, there is a potential introduction or not an exclusion, such a careful wording, the use of troops somewhere in ukraine, still a nuclear power and so on, it causes a certain degree of rhetoric, to which putin reacted accordingly. china in...plan, he has already learned to distinguish where putin is intimidated, where putin is taking real steps, but for now, at least the basic information on which everything around russian nuclear threats is based, that there is a certain agreement between russia and china to avoid level of this escalation, it is being carried out, and the united states itself, through the state department, immediately stated that they do not see any movement of weapons and training there.

although it seems to me that in the event of a negative war scenario for russia to move nuclear they can launch weapons on their territory and no china will do anything to them in this case, another issue is that this scenario is not considered possible now, no matter what, but everyone, the entire nuclear club, will pay more and more attention to ... the nuclear component, in particular on the carrier, there are ballistic missiles, supersonic missiles and everything else, everything that will be difficult to shoot down, that is , a race of nuclear arms will begin, it is already foreseen , there can be no talk of reducing the arsenal, and china will also be here to work because well in this situation, we have to rely only on ourselves, but until now there have been some such open signals from china that... they said

that moscow needs to slow down, there was none, they always, when they criticize moscow, so they say, one word against moscow, 10 words against to the west, if you do not escalate, they will not escalate, that is, beyond the limits of this political discourse, xi jinping has not yet come out publicly, but he is also waiting for the elections in the usa, he is also waiting for whether trump will return, or what they will be confirmed these european statements, or will movement of nato and nuclear troops? components to eastern europe, because there the poles gave signals that they are not against nuclear weapons on their territory, well, if russia is allowed in belarus, why not, for example, in the united states or in france, in poland, although the french component is not under nato control, that is, these are processes that will take several more years, but the dynamics are obvious, this is a transition to a better understanding of the more important nuclear component in a potential future war.

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of the national team represents. united by football together are stronger. we continue the saturday polyclub program on the espresso tv channel. khrystyna yatskiv. vitaly portnikov and a whole hour with mr. vitaly, answers to questions that concern ukrainians, interest ukrainians. well, even if... they are interested, we have to take a look from time to time, why are androphages, as they say, and extremely interesting things are happening in the russian federation, the next election of putin for the presidency, refineries are already exploding from with enviable regularity, we have literally for the last night, very cool hits, and

of course, we have certain events in the territories bordering our state, but all this in the complex does not at all speak of any stability in the swamps. don't you think, it seems, i don't know how much putin is interested in stability in this situation, to be honest, because maybe he wants to act as a person who should restore stability, this is also his favorite role, he left this role after these 204 years, however, when we talk about a political career putin, we have to remember that he is a president of war, well, he became president, he generally received a rating in 1999-2000 as a president of war. by and large, they started the second tsvichen war and all these terrorist acts, because they had no other chance to convince the russians that they needed this president, whose existence, a few months before his appointment as prime minister minister of the russian federation, they did not know even in the cabinet

of ministers of the russian federation, so it was an anonymous person, we have it remember, and putin began to build his image. exactly as a person who is able to restore order, who, young, new face, a simple guy, will urinate in toilets, and this is what putin was, we may have already forgotten about this putin, but this is not putin, this is the putin of 24 years ago , and after that russia began to go towards such, i would say, stability of stagnation, and by and large putin has already begun to be compared with brezhnei, but always... the question arises as to how ready he is to be in this role as well, in addition to things, if compared with brezhny, brezhny was already there too a person who led to stability after khrushchev's turbulence, and also a young guy, handsome, not the same, such a contrast

with khrushchev, who was already beginning to annoy people with this kind of restlessness of his and the fact that everything changes. and every two years there , no one understood whether it was a thaw or a reaction, but it all ended with the war in afghanistan, that is , in fact, these regimes always go through such stages, from turbulence to stability and through stability to turbulence, so if you think, that putin is sitting there and suffers, no, he just feels more or less confident in such a situation. because he knows what to do, fight, shoot , kill, bomb, the question is how much resource power he has, that's the most important thing, because when we list all this, we have to understand the simple thing that really hit the refinery , if they reduce the capabilities

of russian oil refining, this is important, and the prices of gasoline in russia are really increasing, which means that if the prices of gasoline increase, the prices of goods, food products will increase, the situation will worsen, economic situation, putin is not interested in this. so, we have to understand that the blows to the russian economy. this is a real tool for putin to think about the fact that he needs to get out of the war, not immediately, but in principle, that this is no longer entertainment, this is one moment, if there is any instability in the border regions, i do not know how serious it is , because you and i do not even know what is happening in the border regions, we do not have the main information with you, as far as after these famous raids on shebekin, on belgorod region, they strengthened the border , because we always forget that russians learn well from their mistakes, these

sorovykin lines, which were built on the line of contact, demonstrated this, and by and large, no matter what we say, this the key point that created problems for our attack was not that we prepared for a long time, well, we prepared for a long time, so they built them for a long time, not that we were not given any weapons, but that there was time to build such defensive fortifications , ugh, what is happening at the very... borders of russia and of ukraine, you understand how many fortifications there are already there, through which it is impossible to break through , and here i want to say one more point, and we generally have fortifications on the border along the entire border line, that is where we are breaking through to the one from bilhorod region, to belgorod oblast, they can break through in their turn, well , they regularly go, sumy oblast, chernivtsi oblast, we need to understand that we need to think about such. here are real fortifications along the entire length of the border between the russian federation and ukraine.

and about some special protection measures on border with belarus. by the way, when president macron spoke about french troops or any western troops on the border with belarus, he already meant that we cannot stand on the border with russia, but we can be on the border with belarus. this is an interesting observation. and what about the union state, that's all? well, the union state does not have such obvious ones. obligations that would not allow a third country to be militarily present, because if, of course , this third country is not going to attack belarus on the territory of ukraine, it is clear, but this is just a remark, because instead of thinking about the success or failure of these raids, i was interested in two things, the defense fortifications of the russians on the border and our defense fortifications. by and large, we need to understand how we should live in the next 20-25 years, that is, like a fortress, so that

it is not possible to really break through our borders, that is, if the borders are not protected by at least some international agreements, conditional, at least such as the minsk agreements, ugh, then the only possibility to protect them is this fortifications, which means that the main money of the ukrainian state should not go to roads or thresholds in the future, it should not be there at all. roads, not for social benefits, for fortification, it is necessary to resettle people from border villages, have a resettlement program , there should be an empty area, or such an area is free from the population, from arable land, from everything, a certain corridor, there and there should be only fortifications, it is necessary to sacrifice, this, i am sorry, is not liechtenstein, you can sacrifice some part of the territory so that the rest is not captured you can find a social program of evicting people to other villages, since once

these unfortunate villages were flooded, it was a tragedy to build a reservoir, well, i think that this is just such, you know, an illustration of socialism, but in a situation, if we evict people , so that they are not attacked, they are not cut into the interior of the country, we create for them the possibility of a new village or life in some other place, a village where there is some combine or factory where... people have to work, they have to be taken from there and to build a fortification there, so that there there were only border troops, ugh, that’s what interests me, to be honest, much more than who will go to which aunt, take a picture, maybe if they take it and return, because you and i absolutely understand that there is no real influence on the stability of the russian state, all these raids on the belgorod region or the kursk region, but they cannot really be affected for one simple reason. that the only territory that can be influenced in russia is the city of hero moscow.

and i say it all the time because i remember the reaction of the muscovites to the chechen war, it was not at all, they were not interested in it at all, but if something happened, they were somehow interested. directly, they immediately got excited, there was a famous story about the theater center in dubrovka, where a hostage was taken, and there was a meeting. at putin's, which was later deciphered in a television program on one of the russian television channels, and there mikhail kasyanov convinced putin that it was impossible to carry out the raid to release the hostages, which ended in the death of many people who planned by the fsb and the ministry of affairs of the russian federation, and putin told him, you don't

understand, we will be demolished in a few days, and indeed then in moscow , anti-war demonstrations began in the square, relatives of the hostages came out, among them were famous people , and no one touched them, now the moment of the explosion of houses in moscow, while these houses were blown up somewhere in buynaksk or in volgodonsk, absolutely no one was interested in this, because it is in the province, something explodes there, like those. just started building houses in moscow, and another important point, not just in moscow, but it is necessary that in the sleeping areas of moscow, ugh, because if you blow up a house on the arbat or there, i don’t know in the garden ring, on the patriarchal ponds , it will only cause joy, okay,

explain that, well, class joy, the classy, ​​well, the bourgeois and the rich, yes, an apartment on patriarchal ponds, as bulgakov said there, a bad apartment, how much is it worth, millions of dollars, if a person has money worth millions of dollars for an apartment, while i can barely manage to take the subway from work to work home, an hour and a half every day, so be it undermined, if she could not stop this war, these are not my problems, but the bedroom... districts, this is class solidarity, ugh, and that is why i said to my colleagues at the time, who were all incredibly frightened, what are you afraid of, we are living in the center of moscow , no one played tricks on our houses, if you lived there somewhere in i don't know there, some medvedkova printery, i don't remember what it's called

and so on, of course you can be blown up, you can even sleep without going to bed, and if you live here where we live in moscow, well... why should we fight, we do simply from the point of view of our professional duties, we are in a different place, this is necessary and this is the alphabet of russian politics, huh, so if someone is running somewhere, oh they are running from grayvoron, well, to this muscovite, what residents of a village in the kharkiv region, what residents this village in belgorod oblast is called in one word lokhs, ugh, some lokhs live in kharkiv oblast, others in... if people don't live in moscow, they are lokhs, what's the difference, in which other province do they live, what is it called, russian, ukrainian , it is still a place where people do not live, but run here and there, like old people, but in moscow, oh, and this is an important point, the destabilization of the capital is the key to the collapse of any russian regime, all russian revolutions did not begin in

the provinces, in moscow and petrograd, well, you , well, mr. vitaliy, from what we managed to speak... with expert circles, the supply of oil products to moscow and the region is already under great question, well, good, good, yes, if they don't have anything to refuel in their car, and conditionally moscow will collapse on this occasion, they will think, they will think about it, but it must be proven, this is how moscow collapsed at the time, when it became clear that the end of the regime, when there was, say, no bread, there was such a moment in 1991, when... for some reason there was no bread and by the way they said that when khrushchev collapsed in 1964, there was no bread then either, somehow the party leadership was preparing the population that there would be a change of power, this beloved receiver, the bread disappears somewhere, and then appears after the plenum of the central committee of the cpsu that people already understand, and strangely enough, this is such an indicator at the subconscious level, that is

i remember that i was standing in line when some trucks came to the car. and we bought baguettes from these trucks, as funny as it sounds, and i was standing in line between the counselor of the canadian embassy and the counselor of the us embassy, ​​because i lived somewhere in the arbat district and there were all these embassies, and we laughed a lot, so that in these special shops for foreigners , bread was not sold, they could buy anything they wanted, there were some goods that no one had seen from soviet people, yes, even food, but bread was not expected, because it was everywhere and cheap and more or less qualitative. well, they stood, and we all agreed that this is the end, the end of the state, and i think that if such a situation can really happen, it's simple. i really understand how to achieve it with the help of drones, to be honest , how much a drone can destroy an entire oil refinery, and not just slow it down or reduce its volume, but if we

imagine that this is the collapse of the system, ugh, there is no gasoline, then i don't think it's just oh, let's destroy this ukraine so that we have gasoline, it's a long time wait, maybe you will do something so that we have it before you spend another five years destroying it, we agree. we have a consensus that it must be destroyed, but no matter how much you do it, until you do it, we will not get anywhere and we will not leave anywhere, yes, but it should be exactly at the level of moscow, not even petersburg, if not in petersburg there will be fuel and there will be no goods, this will cause only the wild joy of muscovites, that is, if you want to support the russian regime, you should tell muscovites that st. petersburg there is nothing, well, not like during the blockade, but in principle, there was nothing to eat, i remember the joy of... when st. petersburg was almost not developing, moscow was developing, muscovites came to st. petersburg and saw its shabby streets , driveways

and the absence of tourists, this was in the pre-putin period and the first putin period, and it caused only satisfaction, well, such a country, such a country, you can’t do anything, such a character, that is, a moscow-centric country, ugh, and in the grand scheme of things, you have to understand that it is , you know, like in these russian folk tales again it’s koschei, it’s not in a needle or a fish, it’s in moscow, because it’s a state, it’s the moscow kingdom, after all, not in conditional republics where conditionally enslaved peoples live, so conditionally enslaved peoples, small peoples, at most, the largest republics have a few million inhabitants, of course they have large territories, imagine independence. there is no yakutia half of russia, of course, but again, it is necessary that there are conditions before this, so that this republic imagines how it will develop as an independent state,

you understand, ugh, imagine ukraine, which goes to the black sea, and therefore we understand why the russians want to interrupt our navigation, and now imagine yakutia, where it goes, to which sea, remember yata, to the sailors, ugh, well, i, you have diamonds. but if you are blocked from land, then you will not eat them, that is, it must be something existential for russia itself to agree with the independence of this same yakutia and with the fact that it will have economic relations with it, you understand, it is like the soviet union, that we are there we recognize the independence of turkmenistan and buy its gas, but if we do not recognize it and do not buy gas, then what is turkestan turkmenistan to do with its gas, there is no such thing as washing. because it’s just different, well, now they’re building something to china, but before the only one was a pipe towards moscow, and it’s the same, and here

it has to be discussed separately with each such territory, because, well, to say that even together, when we collect there will be 20 million people of all these nations, but there will still be 100,100 russians. uh, well, it's not that simple, it's not like that was in the soviet union, where russians were half, and there were countries such as ukraine, where ukrainians were 75-80%, and those who were considered russians, in fact, we did not sign up for them and were ready to become ukrainians at any moment, half of these ethnic russians, there were no russians, or any other countries of the same type, the union republics were like that, you know, in burma there were 95% in burma. well, the 90s, until the moment when the number of the russian-azerbaijani population in georgia decreased, it was mostly rosinino, you can to continue for so long to list everything

, well, these are other possibilities, and there is an external border, yes, you understand, even in armenia, which was blocked at once by turkey and azerbaijan, there was an external border with georgia and iran, this is an economic road, and if you nothing... nothing, what did russia start doing when they were fighting the independence of the union republics , they blocked lithuania, but mykola ryshkov, the former chairman of the council of ministers of the soviet union, who, as a member of the federation of federal assemblies in russia, died recently a supporter of the war with ukraine and everyone said: oh, there was such a reformer, and now, he supported the war with ukraine, how did this happen, and i remembered how it... happened, how he held me here by the lapels of his jacket and proved to me, that it is necessary to block lithuania, i have a long interview in the archive with mykola rusko, the head of the council of ministers of the soviet union, who to me and also to the deputy, er... the ra

soviet from lithuania proved that if they will proclaim the greens, then the soviet will block them, there is no external border because it is guarded by the soviet border guards , you can’t export anything, and the country, well, the union republic is blocked along the entire perimeter of the borders, how to live, you can live on your industry, of course, but it is connected with other enterprises of the ussr, if you don’t get some kind of nut, or some there are gray slums, you won't do anything, it's simple for you. explain how it all works, and in order for it to work, you need everyone to agree, that 's why, why the collapse of the soviet union happened at all, everyone agreed, the leadership of the russian federation did not say with your company, you cannot ship to ukraine back and forth, and by the way, it was at this time that closed production cycles were being prepared, do you remember when we said, oh, and if they are there, we will not

be there for them some kind of military... together with other countries, the former soviet republics began to produce independently, because they were preparing for war, and they understood that these old production ties should be interrupted, we kept them, and that is why we still have many businessmen trying to have dealing with russia, because they had some enterprises, suppliers or buyers of their products in russia, and they are not. because they were much smarter in terms of their intentions, actually, so we also have to remember all this, that when we say that everything will fall apart, it's not as simple as it looks, because in we have the experience of this collapse, ours, when it was consensual, and there is the experience of the yugoslav collapse, it was not consensual, there everything was not so easy with industry, not only with industry, for

example, you could buy apartments, god forbid pity, because we did not have a market, real estate, there was, and people invested in this housing, where they invested, on the sea. but croatia could not confiscate, because it is a civilized state and in belgrade, and people were left without their savings, maybe for the rest of their lives, because this is a big savings , a belgrade apartment, well, i have a person who lived in a socialist country, so and so it was the price for independence, please you will live in your croatia, an independent country, but in serbia you will not have property, no, we ordered you, and now imagine that

russia is doing this to the inhabitants of some tatars , i assure you that there are also rich people who invest in russia, in real estate, in moscow, in other things, it is possible to do many such things in order to stop this movement a little, in addition to political things, so what i'm saying is that things don't always happen the same way, and i keep saying, once again, get busy, you need to get busy with fortifications, not the collapse of russia, ugh, in general, our guarantee of our future is... fications of nato and democratic russia in in the future, if we are lucky someday, if we good luck, if it is at all possible, well, you understand that if russia becomes a normal state, let alone a democratic one, such as turkey, where, where, as our guest said, the prospective president, who does not know for sure that he is not fighting, but that he is engaged in economic and political expansion there, let it be, well, yeltsin times, huh. this is a guarantee

that we live peacefully. how many states there will be in this territory, one or 40 is another story, but even one, but adequate, is better than 40 inadequate ones, you know, because it is not easier for anyone if you are fired upon there the kuban cossack republic or whatever they call themselves there, or the russian federation, a bomb is a bomb, a rocket is a rocket, you understand, if there is a nuclear weapon at the disposal of some... central russia, then it is also a nuclear weapon, it never ceases to be nuclear weapons from the fact that russia does not control the caucasus, so i say that the road should go from the point of view of adequacy, that is what the modern problem is, that there are no even hints of it, to the construction of some normal russian statehood, but again- given the experience...