already, you remember, in 1924 , the moldavian autonomous soviet socialist republic was created on the territory of today's transnistrian region as part of the ukrainian press, and the main goal of this republic was the annexation of bessarabia, or as it was then called transnistria , and in 1940 it happened, i emphasize that it is bisarabi. annexed to transnistria, and in this way created the moldavian resere, not the other way around, well, they plan to do the same thing once again , or it has already been done, it will be like this far eastern republic, here, but i believe that they will not enter moldova, because they will not cross the borders of moldova, and this was not the plan, because... that this

is a violation of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of another countries, and so they can say, look, we united this country, it is now a very happy, cool country, it is under our influence, and by the way, there is our military presence there to guarantee the neutrality of this country , that's how, it seems to me that this is the plan, the plan was, was and he is and still is, i will remind you once again that russia does not have these possibilities. and you know, in a certain sense, moldova is now a user of the security that was built for us by ukraine, because we have had peace for two years thanks to ukraine, because it is russia, because it is ukraine that stopped these russian geopolitical efforts, we have peace thanks to ukraine, and not because of why, because ukraine has borders with russia, we don't have them. and how do you consider the mood in moldovan society in general, to what extent what you say shared by most people, as many people leave. are now hostages of russian

propaganda, congratulations, this is a very difficult question, very difficult, are there any circumstances for a change of power in moldova, unfortunately, yes, and we must frankly say that the internal situation in moldova is difficult, not all people, people are satisfied, and i already, i already told you that this is one of the main achievements of the moldovan authorities - this is stability, this is the fact that there were no eyelashes. and now they will, they will destroy it, here, well, for example, i am you i will give you an example, yesterday, when , when, when i came to my house, there was such a company, five people, and they started asking me, please tell me if there will be a war in moldova, here, and we talked with him for a long time, and after that i asked, why are you asking me about this, and they say, well , we are wondering when to leave the country, because it is already very close to us. it all worked out, and yes

, there are still many people in moldova who voluntarily agreed to the status of the country, as a table from the zone between the west, west and east, because it should, well, i would, you know, this is it, i would compare moldova with ukraine in 2013, probably something like that, that is, there is such an understanding that russia is a threat, but remember that, well, it is from 1812. moldova was under the influence of russia, this does not happen in a week, two or a month, it takes years, and unfortunately, moldova does not have that time. well, on the other hand, in 2013, no one believed that russia could attack anyone on such a large scale. there was a war with georgia, but it seemed to be far away for ukraine and for moldova, and it was a few days that have already been forgotten there, but no one showed such loyalty to himself... among ukrainians and among

moldovans, i think, it is also true, vitaliy, and i, it seems to me, that such the mood still exists in moldovan society, well, for example, i saw somewhere there was such a survey in kazakhstan, where 65 or 70% said that a russian attack on kazakhstan is impossible, it cannot be, well, in moldova, such a thing something like this has not been done or carried out, but it seems to me that it is the same in moldova. will not really understand what it is war, because in our country, we have not seen this , well, there is another question, to what extent russia can now behave freely in moldova, because you are talking about the year 2013, but in 2013, russian tv channels were part of the information space of ukraine, in moldova , as far as i understand, it is not like that now, only one year, only one year, and this is not enough, this is simply not enough, so... well, this, this is, this, this, this is a very important

topic about about transnistria. here, here to me, it seems to me that we should all realize that this is from the direction. of this the transnistrian settlement, because everyone is looking at transnistria, yes, we will see that there will be such conflict management, there will be an avoidance of escalation, well, this is to a lesser extent, this is what the government of moldova is doing now, today there is some any attempt to settle the conflict is an extremely unpopular topic in moldova, among all, yes, and it can undermine any political rating of any political party, that is , any serious efforts... will probably not converge on the path of the transnistrian settlement and replace eh european integration through the transnistrian settlement in the domestic political life of moldova, this too, this will also not benefit the ruling party, that is, almost everyone

generally avoids this topic, but internal political destabilization, yes, this will probably be the way to move russia, and now in moldova there is already practically, well... such a real internal political war, it, it, it is political, but it already exists, and with whom is it happening, if the communists and socialists have now already lost the influence that in there was them for decades, the focus is really on the shor party, as the main new one, i would say, the representative of moscow's hopes, not only that, there are a lot, there are a lot of different scenarios, because practically we, we are now, we are now in by... these events, yes, but, well, here, it says a lot about the fact that all the protests, they will already start in march of this year, yes, and there are a lot of political parties, we still, we still are not familiar with all the political players who will appear on

the internal political scene of moldova, but, but what is important is that i told you that the conditions in ukraine, they exist, until now before ... until now, the government in kishenev has coped with these challenges and avoided destabilization, as it there will be more , no one knows, i have this impression that it is possible that we will go through, i really hope that this will not happen, but you know, the situation is very hot, and how do you imagine the energy the situation in your country after finishing... this transit contract between gazprom and naftogaz of ukraine, literally, i would say, the last months are coming, all this time we were in the energy model, when transnistria received free gas from moldova, from russia, moldova, by and large , at first was a country that was considered

the debtor of this gas, and now moldova, as far as i know i understand, russian gas is no longer received, but transnistria receives it, due to all this there is a certain stability in the region, but when... there will be no russian gas, what will happen at all, well, you know, this is a very difficult question, and i i believe that no one will give you an answer to this question now, we can paint a lot of things in such bright colors, but we have to be very realistic, because if you misdiagnose, your treatment can never be right, so, but um, you know, your question is.. . it is very , very deep, because in this case kishenev practically needs to consider what and how will happen in the transnistrian region, this practically marks the political settlement or the need for a political settlement

of the transnistrian conflict, because there a lot in the economy of the region depends on of this gas, because this is a very big issue, because it is practically us, if this happens, then it will turn almost the entire situation in moldova, well , overturn, and practically, this is the need for a political settlement of the conflict, it will stand in front of by the government of moldova very quickly. if you are saying that the situation is as unpredictable as it is possible to run a country, relatively speaking, in which you cannot calculate the consequences, i would say that. critical processes, no, no, i 'm not saying that they were miscalculated, they were miscalculated, but these miscalculations, they, they will not be made public now, here, that is , this is a plan of action, how, what, what will happen and how, how it, how it will go on, here, well,

he , this, as far as i know, this plan does not provide for the fact that they will generally refuse this cheap gas, but there is also such an option. this will be at the end of this year, because we, we are practically talking about next year, year. and tell me, mr. vladyslav, here you are when you worked as a deputy prime minister. on issues of reintegration, you talked to them all transnistrian figures, they make an impression on you, they generally have some kind of independent will, congratulations, this is also a good question, i told you that until now the behavior of transnistria was so calm, yes, well there were no signs that there would be any aggressive

policy neither against moldova nor against... ministry of foreign affairs yes, it seems to me that they have their own interests, and it seems to me that to be such a geopolitical, geopolitical tool of moscow, well, not necessarily, it is the main interest of the transnistrian region. in principle, if you imagine the situation with how these people can act if they see that moscow does not have a hundred percent influence on the situation there, they can take some steps on real agreements with moldova, and i now see that they going in the opposite direction, we saw this congress of people's deputies, so called, i was worried there, you know. not even what they are they said there, and what they put in the first row of the first president of the transnistrian

moldavian republic, the so-called igor smirnov, who is such a father of this whole process, which is precisely identified with the idea of ​​an independent state, it was he who created all this back in the soviet era, and when they, let's say , take him out of the mausoleum, because he has not been involved in politics for a long time, then this indicates a certain direction of thought, and... i think that if there is an escalation, there will be no escalation , and everything completely depends on from ukraine and from the war that ukraine is waging against the aggressor country of russia, yes, if, if russia does not reach the transnistrian part, ah, the moldovan, moldovan-ukrainian border, this is one situation, if it does, then it is a completely different situation. but for the authorities of moldova it is now very important not to disturb the situation and not

to provoke any large-scale destabilization in moldova, because it is necessary to understand that war is such a thing, it is such a thing, somewhere in the transnistrian region, it will not remain, it, it will cover practically all of moldova, that's it you know, well... the thought came to my mind that the kremlin talks a lot about some kind of brotherly peoples, the russian, belarusian, ukrainian people, that it is something like one family, and then i have a question, what why do they come to moldova , what do you need, what do you need in moldova, it seems that there are no fraternal people there, well, this proves one thing, it proves that it is not all about fraternal peoples, it is all about the distribution of spheres of influence. yes, it's all about ambition, it's all about the neo-colonialism in which russia

blames other countries, and well, this is a very important thing, because we are now living in such a geopolitical, geopolitical era, where international law does not work, where some agreements do not work, it seems to me from what i saw that russia is dreaming there about returning to some place there, well, yaut or potsdam. of the congress of vienna in 1814-15, where the five empires there completely redrew the political map of europe, and they expect that it will be the same now, they will not ask anyone, and least of all moldova, which they consider so and so understate, well, maybe they just think that one church, by the way, this is also a good question, the russian orthodox church, while moldova has not disappeared and remains such a center of influence. can you also say that this is part of the russian world in this regard?

phew, this is an interesting, interesting thing, i thought about it like that, yes, that too, but, but you are right, you can, you can say, you can say anything, well, it seems to me, it must be a psychologist , it is not up to us anymore, you are generally optimistic about the development of these events, if we take the year 2024, as far as we let's assume that moldova will come out of this situation with... a free country with a pro-european government, vitaliy, i look at everything that is happening very realistically, because i say once again, if you, if we don't have... wrong diagnosis , then we won't be able to take the right steps, the government of moldova has done everything possible to make it so, well, it's all just beginning, and yes, i'm very optimistic , and i think that in moldova everything will be fine that maya sandu will win the

presidential election in november 2024. in next year we will have parliamentary elections, and it seems that there will be no majority, ah-ah, but some kind of coalition is such that, if it were a pro-european coalition, a coalition that would treat the negotiations regarding moldova's accession very seriously the european union, it seems to me that this is important, uh, but now for... it is important for the government to avoid destabilization, because destabilization will not be in favor of the current government. thank you, mr. vladyslav. vladyslav kolumynskyi, former vice-prime minister of the republic of moldova for reintegration issues, the executive director of the institute of strategic initiatives was in touch with us. now we are going to break for a few minutes , but please stay with us, because in these few minutes we will have a conversation with the ambassador of great

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occupied russian federation, ukrainian territories, in the donetsk, luhansk, kherson, zaporizhia regions of our country. to what extent, i would say, is the legitimacy of these elections undermined by their holding in the occupied territories of a foreign country? well, this is a gross violation of international law, and russia is not. have no right to hold elections, especially such elections in a region on the territory of ukraine, we said very frankly that there is no basis for this, that these are illegal events of russia, and this is a violation, even a violation of the un charter, because crimea is ukraine , and kherson is ukraine. and donbas is it ukraine and zaporizhzhia are ukraine, so i can't talk about the election, it's an illegal

act. tell us how you now consider the possibility of further aid to ukraine from its western allies, and what can great britain do here in a situation where we see that the united states is delaying the allocation of aid already. half a year, and there are certain differences between european states in terms of what should be the volume and, i would say, the quality of this aid? well, when our prime minister rishiy sunak visited kyiv on the 11th, well, on the 12th of june, he came with a very clear message that firstly, and this is our uk position, we will increase our support. for ukraine and he arrived with the largest package of support for ukraine, and secondly, that we should now be focused

on long-term support for ukraine, then reshi sunak together with the zelensky presidency signed a new security agreement, and this is for a period of 10. 10 years, and it's very nice that now, i think 9 or 10 countries have already signed agreements of this type, i think what will happen, it was denmark, then i think now there are there is an understanding in europe that the security of ukraine is an existential issue for europe, and even more countries share a position. these agreements on guarantees of support, which were signed, really began, in particular, with the agreement with

great britain, in ukrainian society. cause, i would say, such a contradictory attitude, on the one hand, it is very important that such solidarity, on the other hand, many fear that it will be a substitute for a real security guarantee from nato. well, i think it is on the way to nato, we will not create an alternative to nato, and we believe that now it is very important to support the ukrainian armed forces for integration into nato more than i think now. we have created a new element of europe's security architecture, but it is temporary, because we believe that ukraine's accession to nato will be the most important achievement, not only because ukraine will belong to nato, well, as rishuna said, because nato is stronger with ukraine, then it will be in

the interests. e security of europe in general, and what is the current position of the allies before the washington summit, what can be done to calculate in your opinion, from the point of view of the euro-atlantic perspective of ukraine, where we are going, well, i think this is very interesting for me, because you know, there is such a, well , there has always been such a position on the part of the united states, it is a policy regarding e-distribution the train of responsibility. for the security of europe, and in my opinion, well, this is correct, that the americans expect a greater contribution from europeans to the security of europe, i believe that the best approach is the entry of the most powerful army in europe, that is, the zdsu into nato,

and such, because. .. after the victory, the threat from russia will certainly remain, and we said that even now we have an unbreakable alliance with ukraine, in the future we will be allies within the framework of nato, and ukraine should have a very important contribution to the security of europe. tell me, in the situation in which we now find ourselves, we see that there are differences in the positions of the allies on various issues. and here, in particular, we recently encountered a situation when, in the third year of the war, a discussion arose as to whether the troops of nato countries could be present in ukraine. ugh. there are statements by the president of france, emmanuel macron, there have already been many of them, but no we will quote them at length, because we see the position of the french president, it is absolutely

obvious. it does not exclude such a possibility in the future, there are statements by the minister of foreign affairs of great britain, david cameron, who says that it absolutely cannot be in any case even for the training of the ukrainian military, i.e. here great britain found itself among those countries that are excluded, although earlier she was just a leader from the countries of central, if you like , europe, an example for them of the opposition, and now these countries poland, latvia, estonia, which always supported london, they support paris, how did this happen? well, i think that, well, as i said, i think that now there is an understanding, that we understood for a very long time, that this is an existential issue for us, for the security of europe, we do not plan to introduce troops into the territory of ukraine, we have already organized training for... more than 30,000 ukrainian

soldiers in the uk, i think it was very effective, and it was also one of the topics discussed during the visit of our defense minister a week ago, how will our plans for this year for the training of the ukrainian troops, but i think it is right, that what... now there is a discussion that how we can support more, there are different ideas, now we are in close contact with our partners from france, but i think that there is, for example, a very urgent issue, which is the supply of long-range missiles. great britain.