vote for putin, and he will bring order to our country. this is too complex, let's say, a scheme for the fsb, because they are used to work, they can work much easier, without such expenses and hassles with the rdc or the legion of freedom of russia. no, i can't say how they can use it, that is, they don't need an excuse, they can come up with one. so it's unlikely . the possibilities of mobilization in the russian federation immediately after the elections, how much is there a line that putin is not ready to cross, because he simply will not be allowed to cross it, all this a cohort of russian mothers on the lads and so on. currently, there are no personnel problems in the russian federation. unfortunately, for today. there are people who leave a good job

and go to the army, first of all, the reason is the decline there, in the regions around there, far away from moscow, let’s say this, yes, on the other hand, propaganda works very powerfully, for example, on this year they have allocated 43.5 billion rubles for propaganda in schools, and this is not the first year they have been working, and i think they will open in two or three years, maybe even sooner. even, they are still afraid, and they have all other adults, they go for money, some fuse in their head, these young people who will grow up with this idea, will not have that fuse, so it is clear that on...

it is necessary to carry out counter-propaganda, to organize the same ideological work with the ukrainians, because today they do not have such a problem, it is unlikely that they will announce such a simple mobilization as complete, and this scares someone, someone, someone, besides, it depends on putin's plans, which he wants to do, i 'm sure they will think how to do offensive that summer, because he has to show something and for that... there may be some additional mobilization, but they are trained, and they will not mobilize to attack to pounce, for example, or in two months, because it is normal when mobilization it is announced that it takes about six months to properly train a fighter, if there are two or three months, even that is not enough, and putin will not be afraid to stop, not to be afraid of mobilization already after the elections, well, in principle, what does he lose if he conducts it. he

may and will be afraid, but he has none of urgent need, i think so , yes, sir, even if the colonel will, that edition of lumont and it was to him that the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyy actually commented on the situation on our fronts, the president notes that the occupiers destroyed avdiivka, managed to seize ukrainian territories, but they no longer can advance, losing a large number of aircraft, we did a good job. against russian aircraft, we restored the situation in the east and the russian offensive was stopped. do you agree that the russians are no longer pressing, at least in the east? the russians will press, we know that there is a difference in resources, in human resources, especially , er, and they press that anyway, and military logic suggests that they will make an offensive, well... when they decide, what will it be

spring, but the fact that they will organize an offensive, time will tell, of course, i can again, there may be a lot of random things that can prevent it, but according to the logic of the military, he should make an offensive, and tell me, in principle, if talk about situations with losses, how it affects yours what do you think about the mood towards russians just during the elections? how aware are they of the scale of the loss, how much do you think they care? i already talked about propaganda, and many people are even proud that their son died, it doesn't really hit them like that, let's say, it hits them like that, yes, on the other hand, well, look, today in mordovia it's about 10,000 people, there about 20 people in total, tatarstan there are 20-25, bashkortostan, well, up to 40-50 people per... population, this is not very noticeable in such

spaces, and plus the ideological component, very powerful, courage lessons in schools, two times a week. uh, all kinds of measures in villages , in cities, well, that is, like in soviet times, in fact, cooler, much cooler, uh, uh, tell me, please, this is another wave of russian practice of hitting precisely on civilian objects, precisely killing civilians, we observed this last week in both sumy and kryvyi rih. in fact, we have seen the same thing in odesa in recent days, is it somehow related to certain processes, or the chosen tactics of the russians, or is it the case that where you go, you go there? well, well, this is eternal practice,

muscovites, this is an eternal practice, starting with the burning of razyans in 1236, nothing has changed in them, they just change from time to time. they were afraid of something or lacked strength, and if there is strength and there is impunity, then they will not refrain, unfortunately. thank you, thank you, mr. oleksandr, oleksandr bolkin, lieutenant colonel of the armed forces of ukraine, head of the erza society in ukraine and co-spokesperson of the vilnyi del oral public movement was in our program. now we're taking a break for just a few minutes, but you stay with us, and so do we let's continue on... the conversation.

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took place outside our country. this week, the weimar triangle, yes, a meeting between manuel macron, olaf scholz and donald tusk. in order to essentially reconcile watches in relation to and to the position as far as it is consolidated on aid to our country. well, i don't know, it's hard to say how practical this meeting ended up being, i'm not at all sure that each of the leaders could assure and convince his counterpart in these conversations, but one way or another, let's hope that that... the defense forces of ukraine are getting the appropriate tools in their hands in order to have something to defend against the russians, after all, this is the most important thing now, of course, because it is in in principle, the question that is connected with the support of ukraine, and with the extent to which we

will be able to live this year without any cataclysms on the front line, this is, in principle , the main thing that we are trying to strive for, valeriy chaly, ugh, diplomat, former ambassador of ukraine in the united states...will be in touch now, and we will talk about it with him, because now it is absolutely obvious that you and i are in a situation where the united states, as strange as it sounds, is under pressure. other countries, but today the prime minister of poland donald tusk addressed there to the speaker of the house of representatives mike johnson, help ukraine, why are you delaying, in principle, politically speaking, it should have been the other way around, this is mike johnson, other american politicians should turn to the europeans and say: listen, this is your security area, why you procrastinating, why don't you allocate enough money, where is your interest, and coming out europeans are now convincing americans, and this is also such a serious change. technical landmarks, about which it is worth thinking about how many, to what extent is it

in general, well, there may be, well, it is the same and a symptom of political processes in the united states itself, i think that more than staying in office and getting a corresponding warm seat under the presidency of donald trump, this is the goal of speaker johnson, because , frankly, you look at his movements and what kind of strategy he thinks? and you do not fully understand, he still prefers to be a politician or a statesman? a politician because it can be very difficult to be a statesman when you 're not a politician, here's one and the other, it shouldn't be mutually exclusive at all, but we understand, i just think that mr. johnson has before our eyes, the experience of his predecessor, huh, but we will talk about it right now with valery chaly, congratulations, mr. valery, i congratulate you, the glory of ukraine. a hero of words. a hero of words. well, there was this meeting of speaker johnson with

republicans in the senate, new proposals for help. he nominates, speaking through the house of representatives, they will vote for them, that it will be a new aid formula, a loan. what, can you explain to us what, what is meant? well, with all due respect, i just joined, i didn't know what you were talking about, but if in which one broke up, exchanged a few words, but... no, well, look, this same soap opera, it has long since turned from a saga into a soap opera, so in principle, i have already talked about it many times. first, it was known in october and november that such a scenario would follow. second, those who wanted to give putin a pass to delay the process actually did it for six months, giving him the opportunity to concentrate his efforts. er, in military terms and allowing, well, actually

trying to block the supply of weapons, this let's talk openly, i'm not naming names, i'm not saying that this was some kind of special agreement, no, it's done in a completely different way, there are political figures in different countries who want to give certain signals, like it, it happened, now did it make it possible to completely block... no weapons, the administration predictably, it was known, but they still found the will and mechanisms to give a package of 300 million now, and i will tell you that despite the statement that this is a unique package, further it is impossible, i will say frankly possible, but of course it will not be the packages that we expect from this that you asked for an unlock, now regarding this solution, now i believe that this is a solution. on providing aid to ukraine, it can now be implemented, now i say this again, they

will drag on for a week, two or three months, but well, by the 22nd, in fact, before the holidays, it would be logical to finish already, even for johnson , but with such maneuvers they are still delaying time, and in principle, this is an attempt to delay time, in fact, these are all other conversations, the border, other interests there, that's all mane the main thing here is exactly who performs which role. now there is one more point, the military-industrial complex has completed all issues of lobbying its interests, according to my information, well, i can see it even with the naked eye from the text itself. second, the issue of providing us with budget assistance directly to the budget of ukraine, it is most likely realized through another option of credit or. loans, minister malyuska actually spoke about this in washington, and the white house, of course, rejects

such a proposal once again, but the ukrainian the party no longer officially rejects it, that is, we need this help, whether it will come now in the form of a direct grant, or if in the worst case through the option, well, a loan, but what kind of loan it will be, with what conditions, it is difficult to say, and we return to the question , this is a separate topic, but i believe that it was a mistake on the part of the democrats to take the issue of lendlease off the table as a negotiation tool, on the part of the ukrainian... authorities not to prompt our partners and not to sign a bilateral agreement on lendlease, which would clearly already have there conditions, not necessarily huge payments, but it would be correct to do it in advance, and now now they will impose, just this group will impose the terms of the lease on their own, on their own

principles, which donald trump has already voiced in part, they, by the way, not the worst, because he also began to change his rhetoric, to say that... it could really be some kind of loan, well , he said loan loon, although it is strange how here loon, well, okay, loan, then the question of the condition of his annulment or give back, there donald trump said strange things, he said if it will be a friendly state, it may not give a loan, well, that is, you understand that now this part is most likely money, it will not come as a grant, but as military and technical assistance, i am sure... it will be absolutely obscene from them parties , including johnson, have already been restrained to some extent for, well, all the benchmarks have already been fulfilled, now all that remains is to get out of this situation, well , mr. valery, please tell me, what about this aid package for 300 million, and an additional actually decree on aid for 126, for

short-term perspective, how often combination. can states use a similar mechanism or is this an isolated case? i will tell you frankly, i have not checked whether these 126 under the act of 61, which allows the president of the united states to take without the control of congress , whether it is part of the 300 million or not, i do not know, it is certain, so most likely, since i i see, most likely this is the part that consists of what is listed there and plus this, if it is an additional 126, it would be great if there are such opportunities in the future, funds from those allocated by congress are available, but they are not are covered, there is such a situation, in principle , the position of the official washington now is this, if something is provided from warehouses,

funds must be provided in advance for the american industry to produce a replacement, there is no such thing. therefore, theoretically, they can take that step, other countries take such a step, for example, i know for sure, denmark, takes out of its warehouses what they need, in fact, what they have calculated for the defense of the country, they add it to us, there are other european countries doing this, that is, it requires political will only the president of the usa, in order to still provide, well, this kind of current aid, but in order to... to really give the right signal to the kremlin, to unlock a large package, it is not only money, the money remains mainly in america, 85% . there are a lot of directions, this is actually a plan of such actions, well, it was for a year, there are other blocks and directions, well , we won’t talk about it now, but it is like a whole plan, if it is launched so comprehensively,

it is really a plan to help in only defense of the country, attempts to... occupation, well return to active action, that's why this is the main issue, that's why such packages, as now, they will not replace the strategic goal of winning ukraine, that is, they will not add to it, only turnover. and tell me, please, mr. valery, if we talk about what is happening in europe, you saw this meeting at the level of the weimar triangle, as far as it can be considered that there are no longer such differences between germany and poland, between germany and france , as were the last ones. well, there will always be disagreements, it's basically competition, i would said for healthy competition for in a situation where america is a little slack, for active actions in continental europe. traditionally, germany and france, they have always tried to take such initiatives. true, there were still leadership initiatives, emmanuel

macron, his statements are quite decisive against the background of several. olaf scholz's statement about the taurus missiles, of course, it looked a bit like such an imbalance and i think it worried the german side, so i think that these moments were removed there, such is purely external perception, but it is clear that the basic things are unlikely that they have finally agreed, well, the statements that we have heard some please me, and others not so much, because... if first there are such french very active statements, and then it is said that yes the help will be maximum, in the conditions when there is german intelligence data that... russia can attack germany, germany, nato already in nato countries already in 2026, and i would say, this, well, does not take everything into account, i think everything will be

earlier, at the end of this, at the beginning of next year, because they do not count one factor is that russia attacks not when it is strong, but when others are weak, and they have not yet had time to prepare, so i think that they are actually discussing these positions, well, besides that, for... what to prevent further escalation, it seems to me that this is already the language of yesterday, i was surprised to hear from the results of the meeting to prevent another escalation, this is some kind of vocabulary that should already be forgotten, steps should be taken to anticipate, until i see that after this meeting there would be steps to anticipation, but what they agreed on how to help now defense of ukraine, it is, it is good, uh, that is... we understand that emmanuel macron tried to convince olaf scholz to be bolder on the taurus, and olaf scholz tried to convince emmanuel macron to be

more restrained in his statements about the nato contingent in ukraine, okay , french troops in ukraine, the place of donald tusk, given the recent difficult relations between ukraine and poland, and certainly, after that, his visit to the united states, well, you know, statements. which are going on, but yesterday, the un security council was about this, the so-called russian elections or harsh assessment of the elections on the territory of ukraine, as another illegal act of the occupying forces, such statements are very harsh , and it is already very clearly stated in unisonka, in washington, thank you, the same donald tusk, clearly stated the position, and regarding, by the way, the actions of the speaker johnson. all this looks normal, but i am now looking at specific actions, regarding, we have bilateral issues, if

we talk about poland, then donald tusk announced that there will be a bilateral, serious meeting at the end of march, not even like that, on the 20th, where will the issue has finally been resolved, well , to put it briefly, the blocking of the border, and i think that the date is already suitable, the main thing for us to do here is to do it. regarding the general statements, poland is in the same boat with us and they understand them very well, the head of the national security bureau of poland clearly, publicly said that russia is a direct threat to poland, now and in the near future, so obviously we thank poland for its security support , but in a total war, all things are connected, if ukraine is weakened institutionally and for the benefit of some interests there. corporate are there such interests of the polish economic sectors now, then i'm sorry, but giving support in the field of security with one hand and

taking away the country's institutional capacity with the other is not the best scenario. the european politician from donaltur perfectly understands this problem, he puts, i think, the issue of european security above any personal political ones, so i am sure that he will have to take his steps in the near future. and after that we will draw conclusions, and if we talk about how european this is the situation affects the united states, to what extent is the united states even interested in europeans behaving, let's say , like scholz or like macron, what do they need? well, actually, why did europe wake up , how much we called it, yes, it woke up and at the signal from washington, as soon as it became clear in europe, and... it happened sometime in october, november of last year, that there would be such a situation in america and sagging, they immediately

understood that they had to prepare for the worst case scenario, and this scenario, well, maybe it has not yet ended, that is, aid is now aid, and most importantly, what will be the strategy of the united states now and after the elections, that is, they have understood that it is necessary to take on more responsibility. and they began to take concrete steps already, so that washington gave a signal that woke up paris, berlin, well , the baltic countries actually didn't have to be , or poland or romania, which are close to us here, but yes, he woke up these capitals even more, and in principle, now that there are such initiatives in europe, they are already looking on the other side of the atlantic with some jealousy, because the european space has always believed that the usa is the leader of the ramstein format - it is really important and the only such

format that unites nato countries. union, other countries of the world, in support of ukraine, the united states is the leader. each time, the first aid package was announced to the usa, by the way, on march 19, we expect the next ramstein and the personal participation, god bless him, of the head of the pentagon, he is there again announcing the first package of the usa. but when the french president started talking about his initiative, it was put on the capitalist hills, that's why well, not only statements, this is... a meeting of leaders actually without the united states, but at the level of the head of the department of the specialized foreign policy department, but then at the next meeting of the ministers of defense, the minister of foreign affairs, as far as i know, there was no representative of the united states , so there will be no replacement of romstein, although such an attempt was made, and it is obvious that

this also pushes the us administration to take more decisive actions, so there are influences, there are influences, and transatlantic unity is by such actions, it is again returning to order daily. thank you, mr. valery, valery chalit, diplomat, former ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-2019 was on our air, now we will talk about something more eastern, say the region of our foreign policy. such an application mykhailo yakupovovich is an orientalist in a nask, congratulations, mr. mykhailo, good evening, well, zelensky was in turkey, now putin is going there after his so-called elections, what does president erdogan want? well, that's why zelensky was called in, so that putin's visit could be legalized later, that is to declare that we are the mediator.

we are negotiators, erdogan now has local elections on his nose, which mean a lot, but in fact he has somewhat different considerations here, this consideration is to continue cooperation in the energy sphere, in the security sphere with many countries, well, having noticed somewhere like that the weakness of the west, and the delay with help and the possible second coming of trump. to play on this field, so he is really waiting for putin, although everything is possible and there are versions that this visit can be postponed again, postponed and postponed, yes hang in the county mr. mykhailo, what would you call this format of our relations with turkey, when we understand that erdogan has his own interests and insists on

adhering to them, wants to be in the middle. for ukraine and russia in our conflict, right? on the other hand, we see and understand how unique the cooperation between the ukrainian military-industrial complex and the turkish military-industrial complex is. if we recall the specific names, then this is also the turkish analogue of haimars, which is not officially confirmed, but osinters note that he works in ukraine. this is a huge number of kir cars. which are used by our marines, well , if we recall the story with bayraktar in general, and not only, we will have a corvette, and it will be powerful after the war, yes, but we are also building it together with turkey, and this again, a certain level of trust and cooperation, and what is this, what is this relationship and should it be divided into two planes: purely political and purely economically

, military-industrial? there are several points worth noting: first, a very good example is erdogan's relationship with netanyahu's government in israel. erdoğan sells everything to israel, despite the fact that politically he makes extremely anti-israeli statements, but he sells there from, from food to products that go to the israeli defense army, to components, to airplanes, to various radios. moreover , everything is absolutely normal in the middle east, azerbaijan and saudi arabia are also actively cooperating there, but this is already a slightly different reality with ukraine, we see that this cooperation has a huge prospect, why erdogan is a predictable politician in the first place, the only thing we cannot know is how he will react to such.

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